There's never been a moment of awkwardness on this podcast. No, there is because you tell you reprimand the children. I did not reprimand children. You mean the producer.
You mean the producer. No, no, we're not. Well, the producer and the co-producer. Well, yeah, but today we reprimand it right before we start.
That's a counter. I nearly set the ground rules for tonight's broadcast. I don't know what the ground rules are. This is episode nine.
So it's not our first rodeo. No, it is not our first rodeo, but it is a modified rodeo because of different seating positions for this evening. That we need to account for. I'm comfortable.
Okay. Well, I'm glad you're comfortable. I'm marginally comfortable. Okay, that's excellent.
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We are reviewing episode nine. Yeah, no, I really can't. That's nice today when I noticed that it was we're all the way up to number nine. Yeah, number nine.
We are just flying through this episode or these seasons. Yeah, we're moving through them. We're still not even halfway through the first season. No, there's 21 episodes in the first season.
We are at nine. But that's pretty good. That's, you know what it is. It's more than anyone else's.
Victory for us. It's been a bit of a struggle though. I think the first season was lacking in so many ways. So many.
So every Saturday before I sit down to watch the episode, before I come here to talk about the episode, I sometimes have found myself cringing like, ugh, do I go out and enjoy a beautiful hour in the sunshine in Washington or watch an episode of the first season JAG? Yeah. Well, the good news is that even though you say that there were things lacking and whatnot, we get those things eventually. They do come to the JAG series.
Yeah, we do. We are rewarded for it. It's just a lot of work to get to that point. Right.
But not to say every episode has been bad. I think we rated one rather highly. Yeah. And the episode we're about to talk about tonight.
I enjoy too. I kind of liked it too. I really did. Anything having to do with BMT, right?
Because it just takes us back to the good old days and military training. Yeah, it takes back to the very good old days. And you know, one of the things I was noticing was each and every phase that they went through in tonight's episode, I went through when I went through basic cadet training at the airport's academy. And I was like, huh, I remember that gas chamber.
And those obstacles. Yeah, it's, um, it's a lot of fun. I didn't remember the mud pit. Oh, I had my share of mud pit.
I don't remember the mud pit. No, no, no, like the mud pit like sucking it down. I mean, those mud. I did not remember any warnings to the cadet community saying, you know what?
I don't go water in the woods because there's a bog of squids and it's going to suck you in. Yeah. That was an interesting obstacle. Yeah, I'm sure.
Hopefully they fixed that at Paris Island now. Yeah, I did. There was a comment in this episode though that was funny and some cadet did something that was that was not kosher and the drill instructor said, you know, I'm going to have you clean in the latrine until the year 2000. And I just, you know, like, well, they almost had a 2018 dude.
They almost had a mexial in the latrine until the year 2000 episode. Yeah, they were tough on her. Yeah, they were tough on her. But she handled it well.
She was good at getting a kid. She was tough in this episode. That's what I wanted to say. That's boot.
That's boot. And yeah, it wasn't a bad episode. No, I enjoyed it. Well, anything that has to do with BMT, I always like because it's just entertaining to me to watch people go through the different phases of BMT and anything that has to do with subterfuge.
Like I'm going to insert someone like a investigator in the middle of this newbie group of folks and platoon and we're going to see what she can learn but going through everything that they're having to go through. But she did well considering that she's not physically ready for that. You know, BMT, much of it is a mind game, but a lot of it is physical. And it's not like Meg had done any preparation to make herself ready to go through Marine Corps boot camp.
And Meg was Navy anyway, and I think she was Navy, I don't know, OCS, I think comes out in the episode and a far cry from Marine Corps BMT. Yeah. Well, she was tough. But she did okay.
Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I feel like you should give her a little credit.
I will give her credit when credits do. Well, I think it was doing this episode. We'll get there. I will get there.
Okay. Okay. Okay. Well, I think I already did.
So getting into the episode, this opens a how else would an episode like this open at 0500 at Paris Island with Reveley going off and the D.I. Island instructors coming through and deciding to pleasantly wake everyone up from their slumber. And we get introduced to a couple of characters, Private Whitley, Private Johnson. They all kind of get taken to task for, I don't know, being slumber.
Everything. I mean, anything is going to get them into this point. It's a matter of what you do. Yeah.
And then they notice, oh no, a private is missing. Yeah. Not in their bed. Private Schuler is often away, maybe AWOL and they started asking the privates do you know the penalties AWOL?
Yeah. And they do know the penalties. They do. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, they've seen enough movies to know that. It's like TD2 and they know. Yeah.
Hey, well, it's bad. Anyway, there was a lot of interesting things about this episode. One of which was that all you really had to do was look out a window to see what the heck was going on. And there were a lot of windows.
There was a lot of windows. So one of the D.I. Sergeant Contoales ends up looking out the window and see a body hanging from a repelling tower. Yeah.
That was kind of disturbing, actually. It was kind of a little disturbing. Yeah. I mean, the person hanging by the neck.
Well, we didn't really know for sure because it was like, you know, 20, 30 yards away. Well, I kind of missed. But it was an interesting thing. So that's it.
That's it. You see the body and then Jagan, Trotting plays. Yeah. Yeah.
So then we open up on Commander Lindsey, Harman, Meg, talking about their general approach to the cases that. How did he last through this many episodes? I don't know. That guy is a train wreck.
Every time I see him, he just makes me cringe. He looks like a pedophile. He does sort of look. He does.
I mean, I'm not sure there is a what does it look like. I don't want to profile, but I just. I don't want to profile, but if we were to establish a profile profile. That's what I imagine.
He might be the first candidate for it. Yeah. But he's talking to them about their outside the box approach, shall we say, to case law and whatnot. And harm says, well, you know, it's not just a job.
It's an adventure, which is an old Navy slogan for way back in the day. I certainly do. Aim high air force. I remember those two.
And so Commander Lindsey is like, hey, I have this nice wonderful routine assignment for y'all to go on. Because people get murdered daily at Camp on Air Science. Right. I mean, it is routine throughout the Army and Navy installation.
So it was their forces turn last month. Yep. You guys get to go this month. You guys get to go this month.
He has a little bit more detail to the what turns out to be the private jeweler incident saying that there was this anonymous letter that was delivered saying that she was in fact murdered. It was not some sort of odd middle of the night training accident that caused her demise. Anyway, so they wonder amongst themselves who sent this. Perhaps it was a disgruntled recruit.
Aren't they all disgruntled at the weather going through that training? But anyway, so Lindsey's like, hey, harm. I'm sending you to Paris Island. Yeah.
And you got your tickets blah, blah, blah. Once again, harm gets the easy to talk. Oh, come on. You get to join the platoon of the Brits.
And yes, this Meg is like, well, sir, what about me? What about Meg? You know what? She's driven.
She wants to be a part of the action. She wants to be a part of the action. And she gets it. So he's like, yeah, well, this is the plan for you.
We're going to insert you, Sarah Dippus into the Marine platoon. And you're going to see what you can get into that wise from that perspective. Now, one of the things that you might not have noticed in the episode, which I hadn't really picked up on until this viewing was harm got promoted. He was a commander in this episode, not Lieutenant Rob.
He has been in every episode of until now. I didn't actually pick up on that. I didn't get the invite for the promo party. I didn't know.
I hope he had his dress white. I hope they were ready. I mean, I hope you know, he'd swear to se away from the incident in Columbia, wherever we were. So in the end, this is a kind of a big continuity error in terms of inserting this episode and playing it when they did.
Well, hopefully he maintains the rank. No, he does not. He goes back to Lieutenant Rob on the next episode, actually. Oh, that's terrible.
And he makes rank though in episode 13. Oh, did they not have a military advisor? Well, my guess is my suspicion is that they film this out or they filmed it in order but placed when they played the episode. Yeah, you know what?
I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to err on the side of caution and say that's probably what they did because I don't think that they would have made. Well, I think I think he would have invited me to his promotion party if there were such a thing. Well, definitely me. You've been a little critical of, yeah.
Well, a little bit. You said everything. He's kind of the fly boy hot guy who doesn't really do anything. Well, this episode is another example.
No, this episode looks good. And he's, I mean, he gets the ratings. God bless him. But at the end of the day, it's Meg that's been saving his, his buns and everyone else's for the last few episodes.
And without her, I don't think they would have solved this. Not to take away from anything that Meg has contributed to anybody. You haven't given her any credit for it. I am about to give her a favor.
Tell me, tell me three things you like about Meg. Three things? Three things and only one can be about her appearance. Can't we just start with one thing?
No, we need to give me the appearance. Yeah, she's cute. Okay, check that box. Okay.
And I like the fact that she's clearly a team player and she's got an integrity, I would say. She's, she's, she knows what's right and wrong and she will pursue that and hold herself to that definition in every scenario. And I appreciate that. Well, good.
So, is that good? Thanks. Yeah. I needed you to say a few things good about her and her character because she's not long for the series.
She's not entirely bad as a character. And, and I think actually in my view, this particular episode is the best Meg quote unquote episode that has been done to date. The other ones, I always find a lot to fall her about, but this one, she, she was, she hung in there and she took it all and she didn't lose it and she didn't just be like, I'm going to pull the safety cord and say, you know what, I'm really 10 to junior grade, back off, you know. Yeah, the one thing, and you've, you've, you've fault to me before for sort of jumping to the end, but I'm going to do it again.
The one thing that sort of disappointed me in this episode is that she was tough. Harm had told her, look, you know, get out. You don't have to do this. You don't have to be a recruit in bootcamp.
I mean, you can come on out anytime you want. She said, no, I'm going to complete this. You know, I started, I'm going to finish. And she did case wise.
She was able to solve the case, but she didn't finish with the girls. And I thought that was kind of a bummer. I mean, I don't know how much time they had left in the training pipeline, but I thought it was kind of a bummer that she didn't stick it out to finish with them. It would have been kind of cool.
I mean, she wouldn't have got anything out of it other than the fact that she could say, I completed the program with you. Yeah, I mean, she could have done that. But I think, you know, when it was revealed, when there was a big reveal that, oh, she's actually an officer, I think it was pretty much done at that point. Because I would put myself back in those days.
And if someone was like, oh, I'm really a lieutenant posing as one of you, that would have been, that would have totally changed the paradigm for me. And it wouldn't have worked anymore. Well, that's right. So anyways, we have the opening scene.
And then harm when we come back from commercial is talking to the, I guess, the training commanders. Yeah, that is. I don't know. I don't know in your research.
No, I didn't do a whole lot of research this episode. I was just enjoying the episode, but this is Major Calvin Klein. That's a good one. Yeah.
And he's just like, I didn't really like him. I didn't really care for him, but you know, he was kind of hiding something the whole time, which will eventually get to you. Which was obvious. But harm's asking him, you know, give me a, give me the lowdown on these two DIs.
What do you think? What do you, what's your assessment? Anything unusual about him? Well, the one's nothing but I'm sleeping with the other.
Yeah, she's great. The other one's she's actually going to find. She's really good. But anyway, so harm's like he actually tells harm and I thought this was kind of funny since we're only on episode nine.
He kind of gives harm a little bit of addressing down in terms of you're a heavy hitter. I don't want you coming in here and doing stuff just for TV and so on and so forth. Which is funny because I mean, they're pretty tough crowd down there. Yeah, but how does harm have a reputation at this point?
It's episode nine of a brand new series. He may have been all over the news after the break break. Yeah, break break. One of our more popular download episodes.
I don't really know why either, but thank you to those of you who download it. So perhaps he was all over the Jags version of CNN. Well, that's all I think internationally. Yeah, it is.
So they finished up their conversation and then we started into the reminiscing on training, which was what a lot of this episode was about. The recruits are in a run and they're getting basically pitched out by the D.I. Which of course you would expect. And I don't know, someone says a joke and one of my favorite lines of the episode was the hit the hop, mop, stop.
Yeah. I don't think I ever heard that one. But I wish I would have knew about it. But I like it.
So I could have used it when I was. I like it. I like it. Yeah.
And so we find Sergeant Carrington goes on to yell at Meg. They are tough. Those women. Those women, the eyes are tough.
They were mean. They were mean. So Meg is taking on this new persona named Private McIntyre who I tended to think it was Private Meg entire. Do you think they really get their names embroidered on the back of their sweatshirts in the Marine Corps?
I have no idea. I was a little envious. I never got my name on any of my stuff. I got a number.
Oh, a number is pretty good. That's pretty close to any. No, it's really not. You know, you get your own number.
They let me pick my number though. It's pretty happy. I pick number three. And what?
I pick number three. I can either pick number three or number seven and I pick number three or number three or number. I'm not a version of basic training. Yeah.
So you were in three? I was number three. But you didn't hit a wall. No.
No. Okay. No, which is why I'm here today. Yeah, I was just watching here.
Yeah, exactly. It was an honor really of him and I'm a long-term home. Okay. So Carrington calls out Meg for, I don't know, laughing or being whatever.
This is really picking on Meg though. This is really picking on Meg and making the whole platoon against Meg. Yes, making the whole platoon against Meg. And she let's it be known just to make this all work.
And it's probably what she was told that Meg had been forced to kind of leave training for medical reasons. And so she was like, well, I'm going to go back and put back with this group. So it's like, welcome back. We're going to run an additional two miles thanks to your lack of bearing.
A little private pile going on here. A little private pile. It almost made me think that Carrington was kind of in on it, but it turns out as we watched what she wasn't doing. So really, you were a bit, you were a bit fooled then because you always seem to think that you figured everything out.
No, I certainly had this completely figured out from beginning. Yeah, go. Yes. As always.
What did you think about the girl and I can't remember her name off the time I had, but she was the guy on there during the run. She was really tough on Meg and they did the putal stick thing. Oh, Johnson. Johnson.
I couldn't figure out the where the hate came from. Genesis of her animosity toward me. I was like, I don't understand why I don't like her so much. What is it?
Yeah. I never figured that out. I was a little bit confused with me. All right.
So after the run, we cut to a different scene where harm and the major are checking out the scene of the hanging. And here we get kind of sort of this part. Arms like, let me just suit up here. Right.
No, this is the thing. He doesn't suit up because I actually had to rewind this because I'm like, this really happened. So they both climb up to the top of the tower and they're having a conversation. Yeah.
And he's like, yeah, blah, blah, blah. And one second, the camera is looking at harm and he's got no gear on. And the next second car. It takes a second to pull the little harness thing on.
No, but it takes a little more than a second when you're having a conversation. Not when you're a juggler and an F-14 driver. It was hilarious. I'm like, wow, that you are all secure.
It looks amazing. All of seriously .05 seconds. It was really quick, but he looked good and he starts like nobody's business going down the wall repelling. Yeah.
And the major is kind of like WTF. Yeah. And the funny thing is when you do that, have you ever done that? Did you ever come on?
Oh, it's freaking the coolest thing. But you always have to have a guy at the top. Yeah. And then generally you have a guy at the bottom.
Now, if you have the guy at the top, you're good, which in this situation harm did. But he never asked the guy. He never said, hey, I'm soon enough. I'm going to go.
I kind of want to see you. I want to put myself in the moment here and repel down this wall. Never. So he's just hoping that he's a clue about how to work repelling wall.
Well, you would think as the senior officer on the most, he might have something. No, he's not a subject. Well, but he is a Marine. Oh, well, then they almost know how to repel off of a wall.
Of course. That's what they do every day. But yeah, it was a little. I'm not even wearing his.
He kept the hat on. His wheel cat. I mean, like the most worst hat to repel it. You could probably ditch that.
You decided, you know what, I'm going to repel and I'm going to look damn sharp when I do it. Why are they in the wrong uniform for every single episode? I don't know. I, you know, because he's in his shoes.
I know. I know. I know. I know.
Maybe that's what we're talking about. Brandsy, like looking like dude, man, I make repelling look good. Yeah. Well, he does.
So they get around to chatting a little bit more about the shooter and whatnot and harms like, hey man, because apparently the client's report was like it was a suicide and harm's like, you know, when I'm sitting here on the repelling tower, I see how close and taught these ropes are. Tell me how she would have got her head in between his rope. Yeah. Because harm's like, hey, put your hand between the ropes and the client has, he does it, but he has a little bit of a problem doing it.
And that's why I'm like, hmm, it was that hard for you to put your hand between the ropes. Yeah. Think about if it was your head. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, the big head. The biggest. The one with the brain in it.
The one with the brain in it. Yeah, the one with the brain in it. No, no, no, you can't say it. I can say it.
I am? Yeah. Okay. Okay.
Let's move on. All right, let's move on. So harm then kind of gets around to, hey, what do you think about suicide for this whole scenario? And clients like, no, I don't think so.
I wouldn't want to report it anyway, because for the sake of her family and whatnot. And he's like, we ever hidden that in the military. Well, I don't know when we've ever hidden that. But he apparently didn't really want to go down that road.
And harm basically comes out and says, well, she had a tragic accident while repelling it at five a.m. At five a.m. or even earlier. And harm basically comes out and says, well buddy, I think it was done.
Yeah. Yeah. Murder one. And so that was it for that scene.
And then so harm and client they get together and they go to see Sergeant Gonzalez and kind of try to debrief her. I didn't really like this. Can we put the woman at ease? Can we just?
Yes. And it's not an interrogation. We're just asking questions. Well, harm was it.
He was. Well, he can be. He's a senior ranking person in the room. Well, he's not the senior, but he's co-senior.
Well, he's equivalent. Yeah. So, but yeah, I mean, why not put her at ease? We're not, she's not being charged with anything.
Well, you know, I almost think it's a product of the training environment. Yeah, but she's locked up because of whatever. I mean, you've known TIs before, right? That were probably.
I never actually. I've had numerous airmen that have, you know, it's a DSC. It's a DSC. A pretty sure Billy.
DSC. Whatever. Where you're, it's an incentive now to be a training instructor, right? Yeah.
I mean, it helps towards promotion. And so you want to push your best people to do that, either be a TI or go to schoolhouse and teach or whatever. So I've known many and airmen who has then gone on to be a TI and they've been better for it, even though some of them didn't want to go. But my point is they're all people, right?
They laugh, they have fun. They know how to turn it on and turn it off again. And this woman was on 24 seven in front of harm. And to me, harm's role should have been put her at ease.
Let her sit down. Let's talk through this. Let's see what she has. I'm not accusing her of anything.
I just want to know what's going on. To me, his approach was completely wrong. I mean, I think his approach was fine. I think she was that way because Klein was there, her boss.
Yeah, it doesn't matter. Put her at ease. Leave her attention. Oh, geez.
You are so heartless, dude. Heartless. Yeah, please. Get more, more, how do you with bees?
Bees with honey? How does that go? I don't know. No, it's not flies.
Fly, say, honey. Anyway, keep going. No, actually, I think flies do like honey. Well, they probably do, but that's not how the same goes.
Anyway, they talk up to the skin solace. You have bees with honey. They think it's a way to go. They make honey, though, don't they?
Yeah, but they are attracted to it. Maybe you get more bears with honey. Maybe. Anyway, it doesn't matter.
So they talk to her and harm basically kind of gives her the rundown. And she basically says, you know, this is how we found the body. Here's what we did. And then the interview appears to be over.
And Gonzalez, again, she's like, hey, this is a, it's pretty natural for us to assume that it was Schuler, right? Yeah. Given the circumstances. But that's kind of an afterthought that she mentions that.
And harm takes note of that. And harm's like, hmm. Why would she feel like she really needed to make that point? She needed to put stuff that.
Is Eric Quits the next day? So then we jump forward to the chow-hole line, which I've always joined. Oh, the worst. Isn't that the worst part of the training?
No. It's a damn chow-hole. Yeah, because you cannot eat in peace. You cannot eat in peace.
I would say. You go along with your little tray, two hands on it, slide along. Can't small talk with the little cook people come back. It's miserable.
But to me, their chow-hole seemed pretty chill. Now it was kind of like a prison chow-hole. What I would imagine a prison chow-hole. It should have people in your face.
Well, except for your co-recruit. You weren't. Yeah, I know. I decided to get your face.
Oh, my goodness. That was horrible. So Meg gets to try to chase us down next to private. Oh, you know what?
When I was going through my version of bootcamp? You know how, well, you may not have ever had to do it. But at a moment midway through training, they have you fill out these little peer evaluation forms. And I actually said my roommate was the worst person in the whole damn squat.
She was. Can stand her. Wine all the time. Complained.
Oh, she was the worst team player ever. So I can see how there could be animosity between recruits, but certainly not at this level. So in my version of this way back in the day, when I was going through basic event training, they had a form that you would fill out for feedback or Mitch Hall, which was the place where we ate. Like how you like the food?
Yes, basically in the service and everything else. Why would they care? So the form, you fill it out and you'd always fill it out the same way, no matter what. You had to fill it out the same way, every meal.
And what you check off, I can't remember what the specific categories were. The breakout was your answers were always fast, neat, average, friendly, good, good. So I can't remember what the specifics questions were, but your answers were fast, neat, average, friendly, good, good. For every meal?
For every meal. What if you deviated from the standard? You would not deviate from the standard. Well, who read the forms?
I mean, who would try to work? I think it was just one of those training things, right? But the thing is, when you go on an airplane, you can, or you could back in the day when more of the pilots were Air Force Academy type folks, you could say, hey, stewardess or flight attendant, could you tell the pilot, fast, neat, average, friendly, good, good. And if they were an Academy grad, they'd give you some love.
Like in what way? How would they? Well, I don't know. Say hello or come back and chat with you or whatnot.
So it's kind of interesting. So how do you, so how do you, this is fun? Because I knew, I knew that this episode would lead us back to our own memories of going through this type of training. So clearly somebody had to tell you initially how to fill out that form.
So somebody standing at the feedback line saying, get it. X, you will say. I can't quite remember how we were taught. Was it like that at the prep school?
No, not at all. This is totally different. So the Academy was different. And you have basically all these thousands of cadets at the same time.
So the form was on the table, I think, if I remember right. And yeah, that's how you would fill it out. But I only remember filling it out during basic cadet training, not after that. Do you ever remember the flip side?
You at some point became a senior officer or a senior cadet or whatever you call it. Did you ever? Yeah, I mean, people fill it out. But I don't remember any stories about it.
But I remember. Did you ever yell at people? I mean, were you ever really mean to take on one person in particular, just every day, just in their face? I did.
Really? Yeah. You're such a nice guy. I know.
Thank you. But you know, sometimes for the good of God and country, you have to kind of put a little pressure where I do remember. And you know, this episode isn't really a whole lot to, I mean, we can, we will certainly fit it in the hour. And I remember when I was a youngster and we used to go down and see you every parent's weekend, you know, come see your kid at the academy or whatever.
And I remember going down there and there's a spot where all the parents and family and what not would, you could stand there and watch everybody sort of rally for lunch and they sort of fall into their little squad. And I had always thought the Air Force Academy like, in a cool place, I would have loved it. Because I like that regimented sort of thing. I enjoy that.
And then I saw them all standing there waiting to go into chow. And there was one cadet who was clearly a senior because he didn't have to fall in with the rest of them. And I just took note of him because he was the one person that could move in a group of people that could not. And there was this poor little guy who was standing in the line, in his regimented line or whatever, and he's got crutches, right?
And this senior cadet came along, grabbed one of his crutches out from under his arm and tossed it across the terrace. And I was like, oh my God, that poor boy with his broken leg. And nobody like, nobody broke ranks to go get this guy's crutch. And I thought, well, I'm sure the senior cadet is just giving him a hard time, he's going to go over and get this poor kid's crutch.
Nope, poor kid, one crutch goes into the towel and that other crutch is laying over there by one of those static airplanes in the yard. And I just thought, you know what, maybe not the academy for me if they're going to do it. Now, in today's day, I don't think that would ever be allowed. But he made it to lunch, right?
On one crutch, on one crutch, that poor kid. And then my next thought was, I hope his mom is not up here watching this because she is probably going to have a cow. Yeah, that's a, it was cruel and unusual. Well, he may have deserved it.
You don't know what he did to deserve losing one crutch. Well, whatever he did, I don't think it was deserving of that. But I will never forget that ever that I thought that that was very cruel. I've never, didn't see that myself.
And nor did I experience someone taking injured persons medical equipment. Wow, wow. And he didn't just like chuck it a little ways. I mean, he threw it across the entire thing.
So the air in an accident. And then he drilled this kid down. It was not good. Wow.
And I think he did it because all the parents, clearly all parents were there. You know, you paid their flight out there. You want to see something good? I didn't want to see that.
You remember the story? So maybe they, maybe it was all staged. I'll never forget it. I'll never forget it.
It was all staged. I think it was. Anyway, I hope his mom wasn't proud of him because to this day, I think that was not the cool thing. Yeah.
So getting back to the episode and the chow hall, Meg and Private Johnson kind of get into it because Meg kind of screwed up earlier or at least that's what it looked like. And Private Whitley offers to help Meg and whatever and the scene kind of ends at that point. Well, they have a nice little chat over chat. Yeah, they have a nice chat over chat.
I think they're, I think Meg finds Whitley to be somebody that she can relate to. No, not at all. But somebody that she can relate to and she's trying to get some intel and, you know. Yeah.
So Meg's trying to make a part. I mean, Meg at this point. So, well, I mean, to be fair to us, the rest of the platoon is really just Private Johnson because we never meet any other member of platoon besides Whitley. So anyway, so next scene is the platoon going through the, what I would call the O course, but the obstacle course and Meg somehow gets her boot stuck in barbed wire and like three feet off the ground.
I'm like, I don't know. I've never seen anybody have that kind of a problem in that particular obstacle. No, no, never quite. So either.
You couldn't, couldn't undo it. No. And she's like barbed wire is not so taught that you can't get your boot out of it. Right.
Especially when you got some adrenaline going through you know, you know, people yelling at you and they, yeah, I just didn't really buy that. And then, and then Johnson comes out quickly. I mean, it starts out kind of a race right between Johnson and Meg about who's going to get out. Right.
And the TI, or the TI I guess at the other end of the obstacle when the obstacle ends says, did you pretty much drill down Johnson and says, you know, great, but you're a Marine, go back and get your fellow Marine. So then Johnson has to go back through pick up Meg and tangle her little boot. I wonder if that's where they got the name of the episode boot. Boot.
No, probably boot camp. That's probably what. No, I think it was just because boot second why. Yeah, yeah.
Maybe. I mean, we'll never know. I mean, interesting theory. They go through that and there's another scene because Meg's kind of, they start doing the rope thing over the mud puddle.
Yep. Kind of thing. And it was kind of corny. How many people did we watch?
Try to run and catch the rope. Fall into the mud. Yeah. I don't know.
There was a lot of that. But Whitley falls into the mud and she looks like she's about to collapse and die. I thought something was wrong with her. Like really wrong with her.
I mean, the acting wasn't that great. No, I thought the acting was fine. Except for the fact that they were overly. Yeah, like good.
And then I go get you water. You know what the acting was? It was soccer players. Oh my God.
Oh my God. I've been hurt. I've been injured. My pinkies.
It's a marker that you're against. Oh, it's just a flesh wound. It's just a flesh wound. But I cannot continue.
And it makes like somebody give that woman a red card. Yeah. And Meg's like, oh, I must, I simply must help privately. Well, I think Meg had developed a bit of a, I can't say maybe.
I think Meg is an officer in the Navy and she's like, you know what? I'm helping this person out. No, why do you have been an officer to do that? I think any recruit should know it up.
But the point is Meg has, for sure, been inculcated in this culture such that she's going to help. She's going to help. She does try to skip her again. Well, and then the, I always say to you, I think she's like, Carrington is just like, take your canteen and pour it out.
You will pour it out private. And Meg's like, Meg surprisingly doesn't argue with her. She actually does pour it out. Yeah.
Well, yeah, she holds her bearing. She maintains. I don't know that I would have done that. But I've been like, actually in my last self-aid body care CBT, I learned that I'm supposed to go to the nearest tree and set her against it and only give her small steps of water.
Yeah. Yeah. Well, and so for her effort. Did you take that CBT as the same CBT we've had for the last 20 years?
I'm taking a lot of CBT's. But for all that effort, Meg gets pushed by Carrington into the, uh, whatever the mud. Now the thing is, in my day, in my day, we had mud puddles that we had to crawl through. And what we were told was that the senior cadets had decided to relieve themselves in those panels.
Yes. I didn't know that. I don't know. I don't know.
I don't know. Hey, you're talking about this age group, 18 to 22 years old. I totally buy that somebody would do that totally as a guy for sure. Why not?
And you ever tend to do that? I go back to the point that I wasn't a freshman. I wouldn't have done that. That's just not in my nature.
But I could definitely see some dudes that that would be their ticket to happiness is pretty nasty. But anyway, Meg makes it through it dirty as she might be and harm actually sees some of the first time he sees her as a recruit. This is the first time you're a disappointing me. No, he wasn't.
I actually think he felt bad for her. And I actually think he was impressed by her ability to go through this and her, I want to say advanced age, but she's not. But I think he was really like, wow, you're, you're kind of, and I don't think he was too happy with how she was being treated. No, he wasn't.