Understanding Goethe & Nietzsche w/ Aron van Os and Charlie Brown (Stephan) - Lucas Vos Podcast #20

Today Aron and Stephan brought the spirits of Nietzsche and Goethe to the conversation, eliciting insightful interactions and countless thoughts and ideas for future talks. Please enjoy!   Youtube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCDau4kobho&feature=youtu.be   Timestamps: (0:00) Introduction and Aron's Nietzsche talk in Mannheim (5:59) How would Goethe have viewed the modern age? (22:55) How would Nietzsche have viewed the modern age? (31:23) Goethe's fluidity and Nietzsche's influence on Freud (42:05) How would Goethe have viewed Nietzsche's work? (47:22) Spinoza's influence on Goethe and Nietzsche (56:40) Where do we start to read Spinoza? (59:00) Final words on Goethe and Nietzsche (for now) (01:01:40) Stephan's comment on the enlightenment and reducing Christianity to ethics. (1:16:30) Outro     Books mentioned: Jane Brown - Goethe's Allegories of Identity: https://www.amazon.com/-/pt/gp/aw/d/0812245822/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1700473806&sr=8-1 Irvin D. Yalom - The Spinoza problem: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0465061850/ref=mp_s_a_1_13?crid=22SMGFG9Y52ON&keywords=irvin+yalom&qid=1700472600&sprefix=Irvin+%2Caps%2C150&sr=8-13 Irvin D. Yalom - When Nietzsche Wept: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0062009303/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=IDVDQGATWPLQ&keywords=irvin+yalom+nietzsche&qid=1700472662&sprefix=irvin+yalom+nietzscbe%2Caps%2C183&sr=8-1 Spinoza's work: Treatise On The Emendation Of The Intellect (30 page PDF): https://www.files.ethz.ch/isn/125505/5036_Spinoza_On_the_Improvement_of_Understanding.pdf The Ethics: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0140435719/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=1959UU74OH2S2&keywords=spinoza&qid=1700472966&sprefix=spinoz%2Caps%2C180&sr=8-3 The Theological Political Treatise: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09CRNQ59X/ref=mp_s_a_1_6_sspa?crid=1959UU74OH2S2&keywords=spinoza&qid=1700472966&sprefix=spinoz%2Caps%2C180&sr=8-6-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9waG9uZV9zZWFyY2hfbXRm&psc=1 Peter Gay - The Enlightenment: The Rise of Modern Paganism": https://www.amazon.com/dp/0393313026/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=2ZH1VY8AGH5RR&keywords=Modern+Paganism+Peter&qid=1700473440&s=books&sprefix=modern+paganism+peter%2Caps%2C162&sr=1-1