Understanding the Baggage I Bring to My Relationship

what is up daddy gang it is your founding father alex cooper we call her daddy i love this fireplace it makes it feel so cozy um okay we're cozy we're back oh we're back we're full from our pizza we're warm it's like a little cold out there but it's not as bad no this is like normally chicago's just gray and there was sunshine today love that for us love that for us so we're both kind of on the same page right now in terms of we're in committed relationships and i feel like you and i have both had very different experiences prior to our current relationships of pretty toxic tumultuous relationships that looked different for both of us but we were in them and now seven years you have seven of them exactly warren hitting me with the hard box and i think it's important to everyone listening although you and i are sitting here being like we're both in healthy relationships while that can be true it can also be true that our relationships aren't perfect and i think it's always good to explain that because i think something on the internet i always recognize i think a lot of people once they find that healthy relationship are embarrassed or ashamed to admit like we still fight i fight with matt like we have our issues it's not perfect so even though you're in this like your relationship that obviously is making you so happy can you kind of peel back the layers of like but it's all not perfect it's not just like yay we're in love now hey ontario come on down to bet mgm casino and see what our newest exclusive the price is right fortune pick has to offer don't miss out play exciting casino games based on the iconic game show only at bet mgm check out how we've reimagined three of the show's iconic games like plinko cliffhanger and the big wheel into fun casino game features don't forget to download the bet mgm casino app for exclusive access and excitement on the price is right fortune pick pull up a seat and experience the price is right fortune pick only available at bet mgm casino bet mgm and game sense remind you to play responsibly 19 plus to wager ontario only please play responsibly if you have questions or concerns about your gambling or someone close to you please contact connex ontario at 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor free of charge bet mgm operates pursuant to an operating agreement with i gaming ontario the first thing that i learned was that when you're in a healthy relationship qualities that you're still working on within yourself become like very apparent very quickly so like things that like i maybe would have got to eventually work on within my own therapy like i was like hitting the face of them like oh fuck i gotta work through this shit because i'm like dumping it on him can you give us an example yes i guess like the way that i approached arguments like when we would get an argument my mind would go to like i have to prove my point and like i wasn't listening to what he was saying or where he was coming from or what was bothering him i was trying to like out argue and outmaneuver and like disprove him and like win an argument when like when you're a healthy relationship it's not about winning an argument it's about seeing both sides and like how did we get here and why do we each feel this way and like moving from that perspective i feel like you're so right though and like there's such a difference when you get into a relationship that you're like i really really want to make this work like this is like right now i'm going to prioritize this and i'm not going to bullshit myself and i'm not going to also give myself free passes i'm like well it's their fault because at the end of the day you want it to work all of a sudden when you're having issues you have to always have like i remember matt and i always talk about this like no one is winning we actually have to just find a way to get back to like how do we move on from this and how do we each feel seen from our perspective and how do we move on and like you know we're like learning how to fight yeah it's like that's like a whole like segment that takes a long time in relationship to figure that out and like are you still kind of in that phase yes and that's like that's where it gets like really deep for me because it's bringing up a lot of like i guess it's i love how i'm saying i guess this is trauma it's lauren it's bringing up a lot for me in my past about like learning how to fight because my dad was very severely mentally ill he had bipolar disorder and he would be manic and i would be the one who'd be arguing with someone who's manic and in my mind it was like well you're crazy and i'm right and i guess similar to my last relationship which is funny how they're like repeating themselves um it was similar where like i just like pinned it as like you're crazy you're wrong and like anything like i can take no fault or like no accountability here that's so interesting too because i think about like you got so good with your dad at like also compartmentalizing like you're you're wrong i need to survive so i'm gonna be right and then like i do think when you got into that seven year relationship weirdly it like mimicked a lot of your relationship with your dad but in a weird way also think and that's like anyone that has trauma like you're not attracted to it but it's familiar to you and you know how to survive in that environment and so even though i remember i used to always say to you like that relationship is safe to you that's why you're not leaving it wasn't safe in any way you weren't being like respected you weren't it wasn't healthy but to you you knew how to do it you knew how to have someone be going through illness or whatever and you could like easily combat that like it was like second nature to you because that was like the wall that i had like built so deep that like if in my mind i can justify that like i think you're being crazy whatever crazy means that like it doesn't cause me to feel anything because it doesn't make sense to me so like that doesn't upset me or like that doesn't bother me or like i'm not jealous about that or like go do whatever you're gonna do and like i'm my own person because like that is the mentality i had to have my entire life to survive i appreciate you sharing this on the podcast too because i feel like every time someone does open up in that way the amount of dns i also get from people being like okay fuck maybe i do need to work on myself because like i had something traumatic happen to me when i was younger and i haven't worked through it but i keep like having this i'm hitting a wall in all of my relationships and daddy gang i hate to say it but almost 100% of the time it's gonna be because you haven't resolved it from your path and so you're like need to unlearn the shit that you may have been survival mechanism yeah but they're like so ingrained in you like i remember we were having a conversation you with money oh a trigger for you is like you are always you're in survival mode like i need to take care of myself like i remember you at like 6 17 having to like learn how to do your entire family's taxes and like take it over and i'm like now i think in your every relationship you have this like aversion to like instability because you don't want to feel it again so you like only can rely on yourself i don't know if i'm saying that correctly no you are and like i didn't realize it was like such an aversion until i got in this relationship and my boyfriend was like i'm confused like you're being very unempathetic in these situations and you're like really me like for example he would come home and say that he had a bad interaction with someone at work like a very normal thing and i would start like interrogating him unconsciously because my mind is going well is he doing bad in his job is he gonna get fired is he gonna be on the streets am i gonna be providing for the two of us like i didn't like consciously really realize at first that's where my mind was going and like i was like well like did you do what you're supposed to do like why is she mad at you like are you doing enough it just made me realize like this is so it sounds so backwards but until you get into a relationship with a partner that's willing to like try to make it work and be a healthy balance and you're like a good fit for each other you actually never have to acknowledge all like your baggage and your demons and all the shit that we all have that's like our flaws or what we should work on because when you're in toxic relationships and even if it's not toxic even if it's just like they're not the one you're not that invested you're not that upset if it doesn't work out you can keep kind of moving the way you do and letting all of your past just like this is who i am if you don't like it get the fuck out then when you meet someone like your new boyfriend it's like wait lauren hello where'd you go like this is not who i'm used to seeing and like think what you just yeah what you just said like obviously this still exists this trigger and this like fear of like financial instability like still existed because growing up there was a time when like all of a sudden one day like the electricity was off and we didn't know where we're gonna live it was like that level of like and i thinking back i remember just like feeling like fucking scared and like that innate feeling like can come back so easily and like when it was just like me being single like that was still there but i was just overcompensating it for a way of like being a super high achieving in my job out of like fear of like well i can never lose a job and you were the only person i could disappoint yourself exactly i was just like i won't disappoint myself so then when you let someone else in that you do love and then like i think you're like you're saying like my boyfriend's coming home with like pretty rational normal things happening yeah and your triggers and had it been maybe your last relationship you would have been like gonna be a healthy situation you know in the long run now it's like it's encouraging but it's also scary to think that it's okay if you're sitting at home dating and you maybe haven't found that like clicking healthy relationship yet because that means you're probably not ready for it yet like i look back at my past and like the partners that i chose are so were so fucked up of like so much chaos and drama and just like everything was like high stakes and like high strong and it was so much back and forth and like it was just because i wasn't ready to like actually look inward of like my personal insecurities and i always held myself to be like i don't need you like i can leave any second when really i was like in love and like hurt and i could never show my emotions i think that goes back to the whole bullying thing of like just wanting people to like me so when i would like get the prize and i would get the guy i then also would get rejected because that's how i felt in my childhood all the time rejected by guys and so i was like so insecure that my defense mechanism was being like i don't really give a fuck and then i go home and cry alone after like breaking up with someone because i thought they were gonna break up with me it was like i was constantly running from the fact that i was like i have feelings i do have insecurities and i need to find a partner that makes me feel safe that we can have conversations when those insecurities are coming up and when i don't feel good enough like the conversation like when this is going down like my boyfriend wasn't like lauren like what the fuck like what's wrong with you yeah i was like let's take a pause something feels off you're like are you okay like what's what's this bringing up for you i just feel like we're both getting to a place and i think everyone will have that moment like i didn't really envision what it would feel like until you're in it where weirdly healthy relationships take so much fucking work if not more than your past like flings or situations or toxic situations because you're like able to just you're only giving yourself and you're not actually having to i don't know i'm not saying for every relationship but most of my situations like i wasn't really compromising i wasn't really compromising oh my gosh you started on compromise i was not good at compromising and now you're finding yourself being like fuck like two people i don't give a fuck if it's romantic if you're in a job if you're in a friendship yeah if you actually want two human beings to work in a situation you have to do a give and pull and that i think is like the beginning of a relationship is finding that balance and it's fucking hard at first what's a compromise you recently made in your relationship i'm really good at communication in terms of like in the emotional moments of like connecting with my partner but in the day-to-day i think that i can be very individually focused that i had to start thinking about matt of like every fucking day matt goes downstairs he gets me coffee he brings it up he asked me what i need that day he'll go to work he'll text me cute things and like we may have different love languages that's not it's like i feel like i was not really giving him the like mutual respect of like hey like you're my partner like i can communicate not just when it's hard like i feel like i'm like so good at moments like even friendships i feel like when someone's going through shit i'm like talk to me like i'm in it but in the day-to-day i realize i need to compromise on like being selfish like i'm an individual i love my job i'm in it i never would like he would just like sometimes you could just like send me a text like when you're coming home like it doesn't have to only be like the morning and the end of the day like it can like can exist in between yes my therapist always says that to me like i'm very i'm working on it a lot i don't know how to explain it kind of it's like i'm very like it's all or nothing so i've had to like work on communicating better to him and having respect for his time and his schedule and like what he's up to he's i never don't know where matt is like he's so just good at communicating in that way and i feel like sometimes i then become unloving of like i'm a little cold in those moments where he's like hello like is that something like did he bring up this conversation to you like did he express it as like i need a little bit more from you like you're making me feel yeah yes matt what like is so his mom's a therapist so he's been in therapy that was like the one thing i was like oh yes like he's very in tune with his emotions he's very emotional and he was like i just want you to understand like it doesn't feel great to me and i feel like i'm always trying to take care of you and be there for you and like there's just times where i feel like you're not it takes like two seconds to send me a text to like check in and just like even when i'm on a trip i used to like go to bed and like sometimes i wouldn't even text him but just because i wasn't thinking about it it's like be more thoughtful like because he's in bed like wondering like i hope she's safe and those were things i was like why do you need to know i feel like i was like moving through my life so focused on my independence and so like i can survive alone that like letting in a partner was like really difficult for me to like aside from like logistical shit like being more thoughtful to the other person's feelings i can be laser focused on something but then like yeah it's a deficit of mine so like i look around and i'm like oh like i haven't like texted anyone today like i was literally working on the podcast for 12 hours and i'm like that's great for the podcast but i like my personal life is going on and you're literally in your editing bubble over there and i think yeah i think that's something that i've worked on is like there's a lot that goes into this job that is very like there's a lot of pressure it feels very isolating at times and so i sometimes just kind of like close off and i'm like i can't have distractions i need to get it done and i think i've just been that way through a lot of things in life and i do i have talked about it to my therapist like i think that there's a lot that goes back to like being so insecure and getting bullied when i was younger i would go into my room close my door not let anyone know that i was like in pain so i have a lot of that that i'm still working through like it's okay to like cry in front of matt oh i'm the exact same way like i literally i think i said this in another episode when i first started therapy my therapist made me print out an emotion wheel so that i could like she's like you're telling me you're how you're feeling with like logic like say an emotion like she's like look down your chart pick an emotion and like i think that you with your bullying and like wanting to handle that alone and me growing up with like such instability in my home and like being the parent of my home and like the oldest child in like feeling i was like keeping everyone like the one like keeping everyone up and like i didn't have anyone i could go to for help like i had this like distrust of like if i ask for help like it's not no one's gonna help me so like any problem is like on me which is like both of us have these like individual like things get bad i turn inward when you're in a relationship that makes someone feel like hello like yeah like what like i'm over here yeah i know so many people are probably gonna listen to this and the difference of how we where we're coming from and yet there's such similar themes of how we like act in relationships i think i'm sure so many people like i am this way too and i think i mean then we both have friends on the other side of the spectrum that are like heavily emotional and that also is like totally fine we're like i feel like we're more like these ice queens yeah why are we not like lovey and sweet like i'll fight like not like fight like i'll be in a disagreement with my boyfriend and he's like lauren like you're being silent like you're not saying anything in my mind i'm like trying to like force myself to be like say something and like feel something and i'm like i'm working it's about to come out you're ahead of me i think a little bit in the process you've been in a relationship longer in moments where you and that are in disagreement or you're not seeing eye to eye and you're feeling like i swing come on like i just want to walk out the room or like i just want to ice you out like what do you do now in those moments okay so it's so funny because matt i were talking about this the other day the only time i would say in the past year that matt and i get in fights is when we drink and i usually instigate the fights and i don't know what like are they like a similar theme all over the place something will happen i'm like and it's not every time you get drunk but the only time throughout the past year i can think of like four fights and it was when we were intoxicated and so now matt and i have basically created a rule and like when we're sober i'm like the rule is so good i love the rule it's such a big boundary when i'm drunk what's the rule so the rule is that if we're fucked up we go to bed we do not try to have a fight while we're drunk and i don't care if we're like only tips or whatever we're not thinking clearly and so when i'm drunk though i'm like wake up like i'm like talk to me because then i'm like you can't just go to sleep and so i'll be like trying to talk to him and he now knows alex we've talked about this and every time i wake up in the morning because he literally will roll over and just go to sleep and in the morning i'll be like mother fuck and then i'm like okay good night and then i like pass out i'm drunk and then in the morning every single time i'm so relieved that we stopped it there because prior to that the year before we would go at it when we were drunk and we would just spiral like what are we talking about now and so now matt is so good at like upholding that rule because in the morning he's like i feel so fortunate he's like the most loving person i've ever met in my life he'll come to me even if he was the one that kind of like instigated it he'll kiss me on the forehead wake me up and be like good morning i love you let's talk about what happened and then we have this rational conversation like yeah i don't know i was doing that so it's like having i think when you're fighting it's there's an endless route that each of you can see where you want it to go especially when there's alcohol involved it's never fucking smart to fight when you're drunk it's never gonna work out that is the worst feeling when you're like wait what are we even fighting about anymore but now i'm just like fucking pissing you and i just want to keep going and that's where i think again like trying to create and when i say i'm in a healthy relationship it's not like forever now it takes every fucking day you have to make an effort to feel like it's healthy and again it doesn't mean it's perfect it just means i now have the ability to like know that no matter what matt is always trying to work shit out with me because we love each other and we want just our individual selves anymore it's like this is a partnership like did i hurt you in any way did you like let's talk and i just think there's like it takes a lot of time though like past relationships i would like fuck you like i'm drunk like go fuck yourself like talk to me and if you go to bed right now i'm leaving like you're just like there's just immaturity there you don't see the end goal correctly like i feel like that made me think of like like that's stupid that you're sad like i don't get why you're sad like why are you feeling that way like the other day my therapist was like lauren emotions are not logical but that doesn't mean that someone's not feeling them you can't disprove someone's emotions because you don't like that they're feeling them and i was like oh that was like hit you so hard you're like don't tell me that yeah so now are you do you find yourself being able to like be more loving towards your boyfriend when he is coming to you with an emotion i'm legitimately currently working on it still because this is like deeply rooted in the end like i think another part that if you grew up in a chaotic household my dad was very verbally loud and aggressive when he was going through things and towards my mom and i there are instances where like since he was like the breadwinner of the family and like like through his illness like very very bright i would identify with him and when he would tell my mom like shut up like stop crying and so like i learned to identify that like emotions are like feeling sad and sorry for yourself or like stupid they're not gonna get you anywhere and like pick yourself up and like keep going so like i have that reaction towards other people like even something happened with a friend the other day and i saw my therapist and she's like where's the empathy and i'm like yeah you're right but i think like my advice for daddy gang you can always take accountability for something always in every type of disagreement you can own something and then once you make that first like concession it opens up the conversation for like a much more i agree vulnerable dynamic and what i learned is saying i'm sorry but it's not an apology because i would say well i'm sorry you're feeling that way but like i don't really see why you are because i actually didn't do that and i did do this instead i didn't mean to make you feel that way so like i guess i'm feeling that way i guess you're feeling sad but like i don't really know you want me to say that doesn't make sense to me okay and it's a perfect example i'm like lauren this is a perfect example of if you were not in a relationship with someone that you actually loved and was a healthy dynamic of him being like lauren like you're being mean yes i think that's like we were talking about that being me the other day where like it sounds stupid but i think there's power in any type of argument whether it's a partner a friend a family member instead of like trying to disprove what they're saying or tell them not to say it like just saying like that hurt my feelings what is someone gonna say to that so true we were talking about in the car yeah there's just moments where if you don't know what to say and you're trying to express yourself to your partner again this is all predicated on if your partner is also like respects you like if someone's like that hurt like like right i said that hurt my feelings and i was like well that's fucking stupid right like you're in the wrong relationship but i feel like if you had said that to your past boyfriend he would have probably said something like that and same with me to my exes and i said to my current partner that hurt my feelings and he was like oh my gosh lauren like just like hug me oh my god this wouldn't feel like he allowed to feel feelings i was gonna say no but then lauren next time he says that you need to get up and hug him no that's another thing i learned so like when i'm struggling to have feelings and emotions i have to be like it's like a body thing i have to like reset like my like nervous system because like something is triggering me where i'm like entering this like fight or flight mode like i don't have like rationality so i'd be like let's pause and like you literally like hug and like it like takes my like arousal state down and i can start to be like okay like now my thoughts are kind of like spiraling into like i'm gonna lose the job and be homeless now i can be like okay let me listen as like a rational person now as much as you may want to be like get away from me in the middle of a fight it like physically does something for you like let's pause and like hug each other you have such and i know it's gonna always be an ongoing process for you of like unpacking understanding but if someone is sitting here relating to you in terms of having if someone is sitting here that has whether it was like an abusive parent or mentally ill parent do you have any high level advice of like where to begin repairing your individual sense of self that was so hurt and affected by that parental figure whoa i think it's less my sense of like for me to speak on like repairing is less my sense of self and more these like learned reactions and like unconscious like states that i go into and being able to recognize when i'm in those and i think that's what we've been talking about this whole time of like me reacting and like wanting to like disprove them or win an argument or me reacting and wanting to literally run away like when we initially started fighting when we were first dating i'm leaving like you're leaving i'd be like i'm out i'm leaving i'm gonna go home and like like why like why did i like i think it's understanding like your reactions and these states that you get into and then like working backwards from there it's a lot of work like the other day i was telling my therapist i was like fuck like this is a lot like am i gonna be like dealing with this shit forever and she was like i'm so sorry but probably oh my god i'm gonna cry lauren but i mean i think there's like a sense of empowerment in it when it's like i've like i have like when you're aware to the most degree you're more in control of it and like i think i take pride in like how much work that i like put into myself and like my relationship are you crying no i just like think a little keep going sorry i just love you i'm so proud of you i feel like i've seen like i remember the day that you were getting into therapy because you were like really going through it i remember like you realizing you're like i think i've been like dissociating from my emotions or and then you like almost spiraled because like i don't know how long like how many years have i been like not connecting and i remember like i think it was i think it's always been like strange and i i just feel so like fortunate that you have been so like watching you get into therapy and be so invested and like fuck this like i'm not gonna allow what he was doing to like fuck up my whole life yeah but like you said it takes so much because you have to relive it first yeah you have to relive like the trauma in order to be like okay the trauma goes here never leaves you losing a parent that's taking their own life to mental illness is like there's like all those feelings like i think we kind of talked about like anger and like also like feeling like weirdly relieved that comes with guilt and all the things watching you it just makes me so proud of you because it's like you're doing all the fucking work in your 20s right now and you're going to be able to have like a healthy life because you're putting into absolute shit work which most people don't fucking i was just i was just gonna say like i mean i would never know this obviously but like unless i had that one really tangible thing i was like it was like i mean like i should probably go to therapy because this happened to me like it feels like something i should like maybe do i don't think i would like actually gotten in therapy if i didn't have that one like very like concrete thing that happened and like i definitely just feel like i live my life as a better person like not better as like i don't do bad things but better as just like aware of what i'm doing at least yeah and i feel like it's also important to say like i feel like we're also funny because like to every single person in our friend group like you have to get into therapy like it'll change your life like i don't care even if maybe you don't have a specific isolated like if you're like sitting at home you're like i don't think i have trauma like it's so interesting then have it be like a fun experiment if you're able to like put yourself in a situation of finding a way to get into some type of therapy obviously i know like there's different like accessible versions and everything but like you all of a sudden start to unravel and you're like oh wait that's what no one's fucking upbringing was perfect i don't care if your parents are perfect what was your sibling dynamic what was your relationship to your cousins your neighbors it can be so like minisual it's like there are moments where it feels about like my parents gave my brother over me or like my parents were really busy and like we're both doctors and i didn't get to come to my sports games like that type of stuff like it doesn't have to be like my parent died like that type of stuff can like deeply affect you yeah and then significantly affect you and not only the way that you speak to yourself feel about yourself but fucking so affects you when you then have to get into a relationship with someone else where those things actually are like triggered and exacerbated when you start to like engage with someone that pokes these places that you're not even aware i didn't know we were preaching therapy today but you know that's like our bread and butter that's where our heart and soul lives and like even like i know you probably have these interactions on like the daily but mine are more far and few between but last summer i was um at a restaurant eating and the waitress came up to me at the end and was like i literally want to tell you you're the reason i'm in therapy and like oh like damn yeah because she heard the episode yeah one of them one of them yeah yeah yeah no and i think it's like i always want to be careful because it's like if they're in a beautiful way therapy is completely getting way more normalized now but it's a privilege and it's also a very individual decision that takes a lot to even just email or make the call because it's like the beginning of opening up pandora's box and like what i will say is like i i really really encourage if you're able to find whatever within your means you're able to do do it so i think what would also be helpful at the end of this episode i'm going to add a clip of us talking about how to find a therapist how to find resources um and you can go to the end of the episode if you want to listen can you give us kind of like that two-minute spiel that you were saying of like how to begin finding someone so there's different levels of professionals that you can seek your psychologist has a psi d mine has a phd both are doctorate level clinicians typically more expensive most likely may not accept insurance and will be out of network you could see a social worker a clinical social worker or a licensed mental health counselor and if you have insurance i advise you to call your insurance company and ask what are my in-network mental health benefits and what are my out of network mental health benefits and you'll figure out what insurance will contribute or if you don't have insurance i know that there's certain organizations that you can connect with i just i don't know top of my head um that can help set up like a therapy fund for people who can't afford it and honestly like it's kind of like a crash you there's some really shitty therapists out there and the best best best way is word of mouth i agree i feel like i mean that's how we both found our therapists from word of mouth i think the minute first of all what's so great is if you ever hear anyone in your orbit talking about therapy there's no shame in you going to them being like hey i know you mentioned your therapist like i obviously would love even if they can provide the therapist email and you can send an email to that person if you don't want to call it's fine but if you write an email they will they will get back to you most of the time yeah typically they don't yes so i agree a lot of it is based off of word of mouth because again if you're not in the area then they'll be like oh i know three friends of mine that i went to my doctorate program with and now they are in chicago or wherever or they have licenses there and then they can provide that information but i agree i feel like in a beautiful way now so many people are getting in therapy that when you are able to find someone that is in therapy that is actually like the first beginning of the journey to finding that therapist because if that person likes a therapist then that person is probably qualified and is then going to have a network of therapists throughout the country that they're able then to spot you wherever you are at yeah and you might have to call 10 people before you find one i call seven it is a lot of work but again as we talked about this episode like it's so fucking worth it so if you feel like you're ready dive on in dive on in dive on in