"Ungovernable" with Simon Hart

Andrew Percy and Simon Hart discuss the complexities of political leadership within the UK Conservative Party, particularly during tumultuous times. They delve into Simon's new book 'Ungovernable', which reflects on the challenges faced by the party from 2019 to 2024, including leadership changes, public perception, and the impact of social media. The discussion highlights the cyclical nature of politics, the importance of both major and minor decisions, and the internal divisions that have contributed to the party's current state. They also explore the human side of politics. They reflect on their experiences with Boris Johnson, the importance of numbers in political decision-making, and the often humorous yet serious anecdotes that illustrate the unpredictable nature of politics. The discussion also touches on the need for empathy in political discourse and the dangers of a polarized media landscape that complicates public perception and understanding of political issues.