Unpacking the Role JD Vance Played on That Debate Stage

This week the hosts discuss what was obscured by the civility of the V.P. debate, and consider what JD Vance and Tim Walz really offer their running mates and their parties’ futures.Plus, Michelle won’t be washing away her stresses any time soon.(A full transcript of this episode will be available within 24 hours of publication on the Times website.)Recommended in this episode:‘There’s a Trap Here’: Four Columnists Brace for the Vance-Walz Debate by David Brooks, Ross Douthat, Tressie McMillan Cottom and Pamela PaulThoughts about the show? Email us at [email protected] or leave a voicemail at (212) 556-7440. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.