EPISODE · Jun 3, 2025 · 33 MIN
Unpacking Trump, the Degenerate, with The New York Times
from The Lincoln Project · host The Lincoln Project
Jonah Bromwich, who's a criminal justice reporter at The New York Times and author of his new book Dragon on Centre Street, joins Rick to drill down to what the Stormy Daniels case actually meant for the American people. The book focuses on Donald Trump’s criminal trial, but it’s also about the way that our institutions have failed to keep up with the 21st century. At heart, this case wasn't about hush money payments or hooking up with a porn star, it was about defrauding the American public during one of the most consequential elections of our lifetime. Trump ultimately won the campaign because he covered up the truth -- a pattern of lying and cover-ups that would shape his political operations to this day. Peek behind the scenes, hear from the reporter who witnessed it all, and listen to what made this case more significant than it was ever covered at the time. ・・・・・・・・・・・・・・・・・Please check out Jonah's new book, "Dragon on Centre Street," and follow him on X at @Jonesiemanand on Bluesky at @jonesieman.bsky.social.Follow Rick Wilson at @TheRickWilson on X and @therickwilson.bsky.social on Bluesky, and subscribe to his Substack at therickwilson.substack.com. Join the fight with the Lincoln Project at www.lincolnproject.us and follow LP on X at @ProjectLincoln. If you'd like to help us continue our critical work, visit https://action.lincolnproject.us/helplp to make a difference. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Jonah Bromwich, who's a criminal justice reporter at The New York Times and author of his new book Dragon on Centre Street, joins Rick to drill down to what the Stormy Daniels case actually meant for the American people. The book focuses on Donald Trump’s criminal trial, but it’s also about the way that our institutions have failed to keep up with the 21st century. At heart, this case wasn't about hush money payments or hooking up with a porn star, it was about defrauding the American public during one of the most consequential elections of our lifetime. Trump ultimately won the campaign because he covered up the truth -- a pattern of lying and cover-ups that would shape his political operations to this day. Peek behind the scenes, hear from the reporter who witnessed it all, and listen to what made this case more significant than it was ever covered at the time. ・・・・・・・・・・・・・・・・・ Please check out Jonah's new book, "Dragon on Centre Street," and follow him on X at @Jonesieman...
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