Upside Down: Rethinking When Career Learning Starts episode artwork

EPISODE · Apr 22, 2026 · 38 MIN

Upside Down: Rethinking When Career Learning Starts

from College by design

Most colleges say they do experiential learning. Alex Hernandez can tell you exactly what separates the ones that mean it.Alex is president of Champlain College, a small career-focused school in Burlington, Vermont, where students start taking classes in their major on day one — not junior year. The model is built on a simple premise: experience is part of the education, not a bonus you might get around to.Alex Hernandez has spent his career thinking about how education creates opportunity. His father was a farm worker; his first job was on Wall Street. For 20-plus years, he's been working on what it takes to make that kind of leap accessible to more students. He came to Champlain because it was doing that — deliberately, not by accident.What we cover:Champlain's upside-down curriculum — why students start their major on day one, and what that makes possible for internships and career exploration in year oneHow the curriculum works for students who don't know what they want yet, including a Lego-block model that lets students combine and remix across majorsWhat a campus-based internship actually looks like — and why it's a meaningful bridge experienceThe recent curriculum redesign: Flex 30 credits, interdisciplinary studios, and co-ops that let students earn and learn without delaying graduationWhat families should actually ask when a college claims to do experiential learning — and which statistics to push onWhy work-integrated learning is harder to build than it sounds, and what it takes to do it in a way that sticksWhat Parents Should Ask:Does experiential learning happen at the core of the program, or at the fringes?What percentage of your graduating class do you actually survey for employment outcomes?What is the school doing to help students access internships — or are students on their own to find them?Connect with AlexChamplain College website: https://www.champlain.edu/Connect on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexhernandez/ Connect with RingaeBook a complimentary discovery call: https://cal.com/waysmith/discovery-callSign up for the newsletter: https://waysmith.io/#newsletterVisit my website: https://waysmith.io/Connect on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ringae/

Episode metadata supplied by the publisher feed · Published Apr 22, 2026

Embed this episode

Ready to play

Upside Down: Rethinking When Career Learning Starts

0:00 38:54

No transcript for this episode yet

We transcribe on demand. Request one and we'll notify you when it's ready — usually under 10 minutes.

No similar episodes found.

No similar podcasts found.

Frequently Asked Questions

How long is this episode of College by design?

This episode is 38 minutes long.

When was this College by design episode published?

This episode was published on April 22, 2026.

Can I download this College by design episode?

Yes. Use the download control on the episode player to save the publisher-provided media file.
URL copied to clipboard!