Well, good afternoon, everyone. I hope everyone is having a fantastic Friday. And welcome to this week's fireside chat. I'm Lisa Stearns, and I'm here with Tim Cross, our Senior Vice President.
And we'll be updating you on the status of COVID-19 cases within the University and the Institute. And of course, we'll be taking your questions today. And what should make for a great session today is hearing from some of our students who are going to share their experiences of what life is like as a student during this pandemic. So as a reminder, be sure to keep your audio muted.
Use the chat function on Zoom to ask any questions. You can post them publicly, or you can send them to me privately. And as always, there will be a recording of this session made and posted to the UTIA Coronavirus website. You can find that link on our homepage at utia.tenacy.edu.
So Tim, what does the case count look like for both students and employees right now, including self-isolation? Great, thanks for kicking us off. Once again, Lisa, and good afternoon, everyone. Good to see you.
Once again, thanks for joining us for our fireside chat. Let me give some quick updates just in terms of some numbers, just to give you all a feel for what we're experiencing both across the entire campus as well as within the Institute itself. So right now, and I say right now, these numbers, unfortunately, are changing quite rapidly. But the last time I checked, there were seven positive cases among all employees, faculty, and staff, throughout the University of Tennessee, Knoxville, and the Institute of Agriculture.
And there were 363 positive cases among students. So one thing I would note there is compared to last week, the number of employees is essentially unchanged. We've been running somewhere between five or six or seven positive cases at any point in time among employees. But clearly, if you recall from last week, the number of positive cases has grown.
Again, we've seen increases there. So that's the case, sort of the data with regard to the number of positive cases. As far as self-isolation go, we currently have 66 employees across the University that are in self-isolation. And we have a total of 1,581 students in self-isolation.
So again, the numbers there are compared to last week, essentially the same number of employees in self-isolation this week as last week. But once again, pretty significant increase in the number of students in self-isolation. So that gives you a snapshot of the entire University. Now, if we narrow down our focus just a little bit, just to see, well, how are we doing specifically among the Institute of Agriculture, I see that we have three active positive cases today among UTIA employees, faculty and staff.
And that compares with two last week. So essentially unchanged overall. If you're that additional person, you don't feel good about that. But our numbers are very, very low among employees.
And in terms of self-isolation, we have 13 employees in self-isolation. And that number is the same as last week. So essentially, we're seeing no real change in status with regard to positive cases and self-isolations within the Institute. And we're also seeing no change among employees on campus.
But clearly, there's been growth in both positive cases and self-isolations among the student body. So as it stands right now, we've actually also been seeing some decreases in the state and in the region. So what do those numbers look like? Yeah, so we always want to think about, well, OK, we know what it's like here.
What about around the state or around the country? And it's, again, a very dynamic environment. So what I share with you now is from what I looked at a little while ago, which is probably going to be different by the end of the day, but the most recent data that I saw indicated, there are 19 states right now that are increasing in terms of the number of new cases. So the rate of increase is increasing in 19 states.
The good news is that means in 31 states, approximately because we've also got territories to consider. But the majority or the rest of the states and territories are either steady or decreasing across the country. So that, again, is pretty similar to last week. No significant change.
And again, at the state level, in Tennessee, we're continuing to see fairly steady number of new cases at about 1,500 new cases daily. That's above where we were late spring, early summer. But it's definitely below the levels that we were experiencing in June and July of this year. So we've seen some improvement, but it's stabilized at this point, at again, about 1,500 new cases daily.
So what do I make of all those numbers? And there's a zillion numbers out there you can look at from a number of different perspectives. And honestly, you can, I think, really discourage yourself. Or you can get a false sense of security, either way, depending on how you look at and interpret some of these statistics.
What it tells me is, as a country, as a state, and even amongst our workforce, we're, at least, now understanding how to control the outbreaks, for the most part, we're stabilizing, and at least not increasing rapidly at this point. Now what we've got to do is turn the corner and figure out how do we decrease our number of new cases daily, push that number down, and therefore push down the total number of cases across the country, across the state, and on our campus as well. So I think that's the takeaways from that at this point. Another takeaway, clearly, is that we expected some positive cases to occur among students.
You don't bring 30,000 young people together and not have some transmission occur amongst a group of individuals that likes to socialize, likes to interact. You and I and everyone who experienced that age at one point can remember that and reflect on that. What we're faced with is how do we really support behavior change so that we can stabilize those numbers as well and move that population to a decreasing number of cases in the near term, too. So that's my assessment where we're at.
I'm not an epidemiologist, I'm not a health expert, but from everything I've looked at, from the conversations I've heard, briefings I've read, that I think captures our current status. And honestly, I take away so many positives from that overall. We could be struggling with much higher numbers, including even student numbers compared to some other universities. So I think we can take some positives away from that, too.
Can not sound like a broken record, but we need to keep these safety measures continuing. Absolutely. Now is not the time to relax, give up, or loosen our grip on all those practices, including hand-washing, face-nax, social distancing, staying home in sick, reporting on our self-isolation form, all those things. I think our why we have been able to maintain our workforce levels at very low levels and provide a healthy and safe environment for us to do our work.
So you mentioned students being back, and of course we have been excited to see their smelling faces, but we also know that student life has pretty much been upended by this pandemic. And today we have some special guests that I may give my to introduce everyone. Yeah, sure would. And I really appreciate them for giving up some time this afternoon.
And as I thought about, there's some messages that might be helpful for our institute to hear. I thought we really haven't heard from one major group that we're here to serve, that we're really focused on, helping and that is our youth and students that are affiliated with the Institute of Agriculture. So we're gonna meet this afternoon, Carly Cochran, who's a student at Hippon County High School. And she's the current Tennessee 4-H Governor.
We're also gonna meet Bryce Kroll, who's a junior in plant sciences with the Herbert College of Agriculture. And finally, we're gonna meet Kelsey Hayes Anderson, who is in the College of Veterinary Medicine. And I'm really looking forward to you and me as well, getting better acquainted with each of these students. So I think we'll just jump right in.
And for our panelists, I'll guide you through and I'll call on each of you for a response just so that we don't have those awkward moments of silence wondering who's gonna talk next. So, Carlin, if you will, let's start with you. And to help us know you a little bit better, tell us just a few things like where you are in school, your hometown, your year in school, and what you hope to do following high school graduation. Well, as he said, I'm a senior at Hippon County High School, and I live in Cinnerville, Tennessee.
I'm not super sure about my plans under high school right now. UT is definitely on the list for me. So it's something I want to look deeply into as part of my future. And I'm looking at pursuing theater education as a career.
Great, thank you, Carlin. And for all the faculty online, be sure to follow up with Carlin. She did say she was keeping Tennessee on her list of possible places to study. So we'll be sure to follow up on that.
So let's move now to Bryce. Bryce, if you would, share just a little bit about yourself, like your major, your hometown, your year in school, and what, if any post-graduation plans you have. I'm from Knoxville, so I'm right here at home. Obviously, I study plant sciences, but my concentration is in biotechnology and genetics.
My post-graduation plans, I actually just returned from this summer at Brinkorossa candidate school. So when I complete my education here at the University of Tennessee, I will be commissioned in the Marine Corps as lieutenant. But before then, I spent, since my freshman year working in the Dr. Stewart's lab, his plant genetics lab, and I plan on completing a graduate degree, likely in plant molecular biology, before I move on to the Marine Corps.
Very good. Well, you've got a definite path in mind, and one that we can all be proud of and support you in as you move that direction. Thank you, Bryce. Kelsey, how about you?
Give us a little bit of your background, your hometown. Maybe tell us where you got your bachelor's degree, where you're at in terms of your years of study in veterinary school, and what your areas of interest are within veterinary college. Hi, everyone. Thank you again for having me.
I'm very honored to be invited to this fireside chat. I'm not quite as local as the other two panelists. I'm from a small rural town in North Carolina, called Crumpler. No one's probably heard of it, it's very rural.
I received my bachelor's degree in cellular and molecular biology at Appalachian State University, which is kind of in the Western area in mountains. Currently, I am a third year veterinary student, graduating in 2022. I'm interested in small animal GP and shelter medicine with special interest in ophthalmology. Great.
Well, we're again pleased to have each of you with us today. So now that we know just a little more about you, let's get into sort of what things have been like the past six months or so. And again, I'll start with Carlin. Carlin, tell us what it's been like to be a student and a 4-H member this year since the outbreak of COVID.
Well, it almost feels like we have to start from the beginning in a way. None of us really know what's going on half the time, and I know that's just everyone right now. The lack of 4-H this year has been especially heartbreaking. I'm not gonna lie for me and for all the Tennessee 4-Hers.
But it's the best time to start practicing 4-H in your own life, even though we're not having these large events. 4-H is still going on for us personally. Sorry, my life just went out. And it's a perfect time to practice personal development, which is a 4-H project.
So we've been able to do that. I am personally a healthy living ambassador for my county. So I've gotten to make a few videos for the Hittman County 4-H page and stuff like that. And I know honor clubs across the state are still meeting.
Zoom is definitely being utilized for 4-Hers, as well as it is for y'all. So things are still moving for 4-H and for the 4-H world. We have a council event coming up. It is the first time we've all seen each other since February.
So we're really excited to get back together in a social distancing manner as we can right now. So thank you. Great, thank you. And are you back in school, in terms of high school?
Yes, I am. I went back at the beginning of August. So we've been back for about a month, and there's so many new regulations for us at school. We don't personally have to wear a mask at school, but we still have to social distance within our classrooms.
Our desks are obviously different than they would have been set up last year. We've had a few positive cases at our school, and that leads to other students being sent home to isolate because of their exposure to those who tested positive. So we've had to deal with that. And we also have an online option at our school for the students who felt like it was safer for them to do school from home this year.
But for me personally, I wanted to go back to school. I'm definitely an extrovert. And I was fine with coming out of my house that I've been in since March and getting back into a bit of normalcy. Great.
Thank you. Bryce, how about you? Would you like to talk about what it was like coming back to campus this fall as compared to maybe your more normal experiences in prior years? Sure, I'll cross.
So I'm actually comfortable telling you all that I am one of those students who is one of the positive cases for COVID. So I can probably also give some perspective on the students that do test positive or in isolation have to deal with when they have in-person classes as well as online classes. But the experience coming back, I think, for the upper classroom isn't necessarily that bad, because they already have experience with a lot of stuff was already online beforehand with Canvas. It's fairly easy for us to navigate, especially when the professors are familiar with the online programs.
But I look at the freshmen who are just now coming in. I think it's a lot more difficult for them, because they've never had to use these programs before. And first year students already have trouble transitioning into the college workload. So I think that whatever can be done to help them would help out.
But as for my experience, I've had three online, three in person. So I've seen both formats and how they work. Of course, the in-person experience, for most classes in my opinion, can't be replaced with online. But I think professors, for the most part, have done an excellent job of making up for that.
And towards the end, I have some particular professors I think can be modeled off of later. But I hope that answers your question. Really, it's everyone has to adapt to this. It looks like this is probably a good thing for folks to get used to, because in the future, I'm sure that more online programs like this are going to be utilized.
Does that answer your question? It sure does. Thanks very much for sharing, Bryce. Gail, how about you?
I would have to echo a lot of what Bryce said. My personal experience on returning to classes has been very positive. My surgery, Spay-Nuder-elective has been allowed to stay in person, which is an extreme blessing. I'm super excited for me.
And it's been very encouraging to see all of my professors and peers in that class go the extra mile to stay safe without the distancing between our surgery tables, our personal protective equipment, and the sanitation, everything like that. So I feel very safe in all of the labs. And I'm very happy with the level of commitment that my peers and my professors have shown. It is harder on the first-year students.
I have had a lot of the first-year vet students already reaching out for tutoring. So I am kind of the SGA type president of the vet school. And so I help coordinate the tutoring service at school. And I know it's been really hard on them, because the transition is just such a higher workload going from undergrad to vet school.
And so they are struggling. But I think that they are taking it seriously. A lot of their labs are in person, which is still encouraging. So I think the majority of them are still having a positive experience.
Yeah, good to hear. And I share with a lot of folks that most of us still learning how to do things. But the College of Veterinary Medicine has never shut down throughout the pandemic. We figured out in the college how to manage things, how to do them safely.
And I think it provides a great example for all of us. So I'm glad to hear your perspective there, Kelsey. Thank you. So let's talk about the fact that a lot of things have changed, obviously, since last spring.
And actually, a couple of you have touched on this already. But I'm wondering if there's any changes that you've experienced that you feel actually might be an improvement over the way things used to be done. So we know we tend to view changes a negative thing. But I guess the point of this question is are there changes that have occurred that you really think are quite positive and actually might be something that we continue to pursue in the future?
And let me change the order here and jump to Kelsey first this time. This is a very biased opinion, because I'm very extroverted. And I do miss my peers very much. So I hate being online.
Labs have been great. But there's a very high risk high reward situation, because some of my professors have taken initiative to pre-record all of their lectures and then labs or via Zoom case studies. And it's kind of nice to be able to look at my schedule and say, oh, I have a block of time. Let me jump ahead to tomorrow's schedule.
And I'll do a couple of these lectures. So I don't have to stay as late. That's very nice. And I do enjoy that.
However, it's very easy to get behind. In these lectures, if you focus on one class, that's pre-recorded. And then you're like, oh, I'm now five behind in this other class. So I feel like it's very high risk high reward.
But it's working pretty good this semester. Also, less drive time has allowed for me to be able to keep my house cleaner to exercise more. So on a personal level, it's kind of nice not having to travel so far to school every day. And allows me to keep a better work-life balance.
But I know some of my classmates are struggling more with that initiative to stay on top of everything than some of the others. So that's a very biased opinion. Well, that's fine. We wanted your opinion.
So I appreciate that. I'm impressed that your house was cleaner as a result of COVID. I wish I could say the same. Bryce, how about you?
Is your house cleaner now that you're experiencing COVID? I'd say so. I hope I always kept it that way. But why don't I think what's really improved from the spring, in my opinion, is the communication between professors and students has improved a lot beforehand, I think, I went scrambling.
But even in the fall, a lot of times you would have everything was still on Canvas before then. And for those that don't know, Canvas is the online format where all classes go or most classes will have a Canvas page where you can find your assignments in readings beforehand. You'd have professors that had nothing on there. And students can be confused.
Now, almost every professor has one that's really good. It's very easy to navigate. And then also the professors are just more knowledgeable on how to use this technology. So before, it was commonplace to miss lectures because those teaching it didn't quite understand how technology works.
So you could tell that over the summer and during the spring, they were all educated on how to do that, for the most part. Going off what Kelsey said, absolutely, another pro would be getting ahead in your classes. But it can go the other way as well. Just speaking with my peers, almost everybody honestly feels like they're falling behind.
I think part of that, because I know you asked for things to improve since we're on the subject, the one critique that I would have, if I could go and tell everyone of my professors this, is it seems that there is a perception that because classes are online now, that students have more time than their schedule to a lot for each class. You'll find where you'll have a three or four credit hour class, where normally you would just go to that lecture, learn your material, and then study on your own. Well, now they'll give you several hours of material to read and watch. And then you still go to that lecture and receive a lecture or some kind of practice.
And while it actually does help me learn the material better, it does require more of a time commitment that wasn't there before. And many students still have their work schedules and other things like that. So that's the critique that I would give. Great, thank you.
Bryce, and it's possible some of your faculty just heard those remarks. So they've got that critique as well. And I'm sure they'll take it in the most positive manner. So I appreciate you sharing the thanks.
And it's good to have both the plus and the minus, too. I appreciate your remarks there. So Carlin, how about you? Have you observed things that really, you think might be a benefit to the 4-H program and or your high school experience as a result of what you've experienced through the pandemic?
Yeah, unlike a lot of other students, I feel like I've enjoyed utilizing Zoom for my classes, and especially for 4-H, because since Tennessee is so wide, and we have 4-H's from every county in Tennessee, sometimes it's hard to get all of us in one place. So utilizing Zoom even after the pandemic is over is a good idea, in my opinion. We'll never replace seeing each other in real life. But when it comes to convenience, you really can't beat it.
I, of course, learned a lot of skills during quarantine that I probably wouldn't have if I was still in school. So I'm really grateful for that. I was able to do some writing, and I write music, and I've done some writing, and I've learned all kinds of graphs. And so it was definitely a time to better myself as much as I could as much as I hated it.
But there were a couple of benefits from the whole situation, I would say. Very good. I was good to invest in ourselves. So nice to hear you've had some time and taken the opportunity to do that.
So let's wrap up in my questions to you with one last brief question, and then we'll see what questions the audience might have. And this last one for our panel, I wonder if there's any one or anything that you'd like to mention that had a particularly positive role in your return to classes or your return to 4-H activities. And Bryce will put you on the spot to start off this one. Well, I'd say that I don't know if he's on this call now.
I know John Cummins. He's a professor in fruit and vegetable crops. If there are any professors that want to see an example of a professor that has made an excellent online program for his class, it would be him. It's very well organized.
The students have no trouble finding anything. And he's probably the best professor I have when it comes to correspondence. He's very involved with his students in making sure that everyone is on the same page. This is very easy with these online classes for students to become disorganized.
Same thing, she's not in the College of Agriculture or UTIA, but a main campus professor, Dr. Spark. She's a plant physiology professor. I think she sets a great example for other teachers that want to have an example on how to set their classes.
And the reason that I'm calling her out is because she's able, she's found a way to set up her class in real time, both virtually and in person. So you can be watching her lecture while she's actually giving you one thing that I've noticed having tested positive and had to go into quarantine is most of my in-person classes, besides hers, will post their lecture afterwards. So I'll be, my schedule is pushed back a couple hours each day because I have to wait for those to be posted, whereas hers I'm able to stay on that normal schedule. That's what I'd say.
And I also just shout out to the leaders of UTIA, as well as the university as a whole. I don't envy your position. A lot of tough decisions had to be made in the spring. And now obviously you're gonna hear students and faculty and staff.
Everyone complain if we sent students home or if we brought them back, no matter what, people are gonna be unhappy. So I think it's been handled fairly well. So thank you. Good, welcome back to that.
And ask you even more about those positive remarks, but thanks very much, Bryce. And great examples of things that have been positive from your experience. Thank you. Carl and anybody you'd like to call out or anything that you've experienced that was particularly positive?
Yes, I've had a pretty good time back at school, actually. Aside from all the things that we've had to do differently, it was good to see my friends again, and especially one teacher that I have, his name is Mr. Natsen. And we talk about the pandemic every single day.
And I've learned how to really dig deeper into the statistics and the science behind it. And diving deeper into what's really going on and how it's being handled and what my personal opinions about everything. So I'm glad that I was, that I'm able to be back at school. So I can have a different perspective of what's going on.
Yeah, thank you. Kelsey, you get the last word on this one, and then we'll open up the questions from our audience. I really like to thank Arguin Thompson. He has done a phenomenal job of the communication with emails about COVID, about the cases in our faculty.
It was mentioned, CBM Hospital has not shut down this entire time, and that the students above me in their fourth year have been working clinics this whole time. And they have been doing a phenomenal job with their patients and flexibility. So it's really been an encouragement to see those people go before me and show us that it can be done. So they're really an inspiration.
And then also a couple of our professors, like Dr. Miranda and Dr. Thomas, which do radiology and neurology respectively, they have done an excellent job of doing real time Zoom lectures and doing great power points and answering questions right on the bat and getting things uploaded. So just the organization of most of my professors have been phenomenal.
Great, thanks Kelsey. That feedback's very helpful and certainly welcome. Well, Lisa, what questions do we have from our audience today from this fine group of students and youth? Well, we do have a couple.
First of all, Bryce, if you're comfortable doing so, would you be willing to share a little bit more about your experience actually testing positive for COVID and how you are doing? Yeah, it'd be more than happy to. So I'm fine. I tested positive last Friday, but I likely had it for a few days before then.
It was one of my roommates I was exposed to, he was exposed by a girlfriend. The contact tracing all happened, but the experience has been fairly, to be honest, almost like a vacation, because normally I spend every minute outside of class in the lab doing some kind of research in Dr. Stuart's lab. So I've been able to get outside more, but from a student perspective, it has been somewhat frustrating, mainly with communication with some professors.
That wasn't as, like for example, I don't want to mess like home on Al, but there was one I still haven't heard from at all. And there is no live lectures. So I'm very a little bit confused on what I'm supposed to be doing in this class. And I'm sure there's other students that have had to deal with that.
The university did a very good job of keeping in contact with me. I constantly just get emails from them and it was very quick. But all in all, it's really not been that bad. You just spend your quarantine period doing what most other students are doing if they have online courses.
And that's just making sure you stay on top of it. It's very easy to fall behind. Does that answer your question or whoever asked it? I believe so.
So thank you for being willing to share that. So you three, I'm sure have heard that cases are proliferating very quickly in lots of university settings and even high schools coming. We keep hearing that it's students really not using the best practices and really exhibiting what some are considering not the best behavior. What is it you guys are seeing?
Are you actually seeing that as a big issue? I can answer this. I have not seen it to be an issue for my community personally. We definitely don't have a lot of cases as compared to the bigger cities like Knoxville and Nashville.
So students changing their lives for the sake of safety this year has been almost mentally damaging. So if a student group were to almost break guidelines with not in a defiant sort of way. But if they were to seek some sort of normalcy, I don't think our faculty and staff would be trying to shut that down if you know what I mean. If we were in danger, our faculty and staff know what they need to do to help us and they know what they need to do to fix that situation.
But I have personally not seen any defiant measures to be an issue in my community. Kelsey, I can answer that question. I'm sorry. I can answer that question as well from the perspective on campuses and undergraduate.
I will say that definitely a lot of guidelines are not being followed. And I know that it's expected a lot of times among undergraduates you have to expect that level of deviation from the guidelines. But for example, if you were to tonight, actually Friday night, if you were to go over and step into any of the bars, I mean, you're going to see that they're packed with undergraduates. So it's definitely spreading happening there.
But what you have seen is since the beginning of the semester, the number of folks that are having really large gatherings and are following social distancing protocols, wearing masks, has gone down. And that is mainly due to the stricter measures of university is taking on students that decide not to follow the guidelines mainly with those, I believe, four students that may be getting suspended, as well as the four or five organizations that are currently on probation or suspended. But from my perspective, that's just what I've seen. A lot of times, students are going to maybe think more in the short term than the long term on some things.
But for most of it, it actually has been mitigated a good bit. I will say that I've had a slightly different interpretation than Bryce's experience on the undergrad campus just because we are a professional program. And the bar was set pretty high as soon as we entered that. If we did anything that compromised the professional appearance of CBM that we would be excused on different levels, interpret that how you will.
But I've honestly been very encouraged by the maturity of my peers. I'm sure there are a couple of CBM students that are probably not following protocol. I'm not saying we're perfect, but I will say that the maturity level of students from high school to undergrad to CBM to even adults, their maturity level is so vast that I think some people just have different priorities in mind and they may not think what they're doing is actually that impactful, that they're just impacting themselves. They may not be thinking about the other people around them.
I don't think there's any way to combat that other than just, like Bryce said, the high measures being taken against students and organizations that disrespectfully had large gatherings and were punished. Now it's becoming real that there are consequences, even if you don't get sick. I will say that Sabna, which serves as the SGA for the vet school, we coordinate all of the clubs on CBM. And from the very beginning, we have worked with administration to talk about there will be no in-person meeting of any kind.
There will be no wet labs. And that's been very disheartening for a lot of clubs and me for having to be the one to tell them this. But they have done an amazing job of finding creative ways to make Zoom interactive and finding speakers across the country on variety of subjects. So we have been doing pretty good.
But I think a lot of people are scared to not go to the clinics and graduate on time. So I think we have a little bit more pressure about following the rules. Those are all the questions. Anything that three of you want to add?
Can you give us a thoughts? Dr. Cross, back to you. Well, great.
It's been really good to hear from these young people. And I think I can say that because of my age. But Bryce, Kelsey and Carlin, thanks so much for joining us today for sharing your honest experiences and your perspectives. I think we can learn a lot from talking with those that we serve, including our students and our 4-H members.
And you're sharing with us. They will definitely help us down the road. And we appreciate you giving up your time. I also think if we all continue to work together, not only faculty and staff, but our students as well, we will make positive progress.
We'll see some decrease in the number of cases as we move ahead. And I think as Bryce indicated, I think it's a matter of getting some momentum in that direction. And as he indicated, I think we are starting to see that among our undergraduate students. So that's good news.
I do have good confidence we can get over the hump here and start to drive the cases down and continue to focus then on what we're really all about, which is education, research, and outreach. So looking forward to that. I know many of us on the call today are probably looking forward to the Labor Day weekend. But let me also take a moment to say thanks to those of you who are going to be teaching on Monday since Monday is a scheduled class day.
So while some are off, others will be at work. And I want to especially thank those who are going to give up Monday from a normal holiday to be able to conduct classes. So to all of you, take care, enjoy the weekend. If you're required to work on Monday, remember, you can still take a day off.
It will just be some other day besides Monday. But be sure to use that deferred holiday prior to December 31st. We definitely want everyone to benefit from the Labor Day holidays sometime this fall, either on Monday or at some future date. So with that, I'll wrap up my remarks, say thanks to everyone.
And thanks once again to all of our students for joining us today. Thanks, everyone.