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Well, if you are, join me, the host of Before My Time, Gelsie Laurie, to discuss the wonders of the yesterhears that we weren't around to enjoy ourselves. You can find us on all podcast platforms. Fadi, welcome to another episode of Horror Movie Night. This week we are talking about 1995's Vampire in Brooklyn.
That's a you pick. That's a me pick. I watched this for the first time last year when it was available on streaming because I'd always heard about it. And here's the thing, and I'm going to ask you guys if this was the first time you've seen it in a second.
But this film, the biggest thing about this film is like this is a perfectly fine movie. To me, it's not amazing. It's not terrible. But for years, and I mean years, this was like the butt of every joke of like, this is the worst thing that Wes Craven's ever made.
This is the worst thing any Murphy's ever been in. That's crazy. And I could not disagree more of this being just a perfectly fine movie. Similar to what we did last week, I am going to run down the plot.
But I think the I have like three paragraphs just about the production of this movie, which is like a fascinating thing that I want us to kind of analyze and discuss as well. But before we do all that, hey guys, was this your first watch? And what did you think? Yeah, yeah, first watch for me.
It's like I kind of I kind of don't I never think about it. I never think about it in any world in any Murphy never comes up. Everything about like Wes Craven don't even consider it. And I like that's not I don't think that's just because I haven't seen it.
I think it's also like my Eddie Murphy is like Nutty Professor and beyond, right? Like I don't have and this is this movie is literally the movie he did before. Night Professor. It's like the more adult humor.
Night Professor is crazy. It's crazy. Get into that one about the production. Honestly, but I mean, for me, I I I did I enjoyed it a lot because it was fine.
Because it wasn't a piece of trash and Angela Bassett is incredible. It's not garbage, but it's fine. I mean, Angela Bassett's performance has been like the big thing that people rave about with this movie when they talk about it. She's so beautiful.
She's stunning. Even if I know those are really bad wigs that she's wearing, you know, in like, it works things. It's still it's fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It works. It's an any movie vehicle. Any bad wig just works. Doesn't matter.
It's wearing it. All right, so we'll dive in. I'll do my quick plot summary, but a ancient ship crashes into a dock in New York full of corpses and a millennia old vampire named Max. Max saves Julius Jones for being killed by gangsters, by ripping their beating heart out of their chests and tearing the other one limb from limb.
In exchange for saving his life, however, Max forces Julius to drink his blood, transforming him into a loyal ghoul proving that Max is evil. He also kills a police dog in the weirdest way possible. Yeah. Max must find a mate and transform the half vampire Rita Vetter, an NYPD detective investigating the ship crash into a full vampire before the next full moon or he will die.
Max seduces and kills Rita's roommate causing her to distrust her partner, whom she's has feelings for and saves her from a taxi in order to get her to accept a dinner date. Following the dinner, Max manages to seduce Rita and bite her. The next day, her roommate's body is found hanging in the shipyard set up like a crucifix. Her partner, Justice, informs Rita of her roommate being found and she attempts to bite him before noticing that her own reflection is now beginning to fade.
His partner is actually named Justice. Yeah. That wasn't just Matt being like, Justice is served. Justice is serving, actually.
Yeah. Rita has the worst clothes, by the way. No, he's so forgetful. Rita confronts Max about what's happening to her while Justice seeks help from a vampire expert, who informs him that once Rita drinks human blood, she will be fully transformed.
Justice tries to rescue Rita, who is almost fully a vampire, but her refusing to drink Justice blood allows her to stay human enough to stake Max in the heart, killing him. Outside, the oboe's fully rotted away Julius finds Max's ring, and when he puts it on his finger, he becomes a fully healed vampire and drives away to find a place to feed. Really strange ending. Like, as far as like, Vampire Lord goes, I don't know anything about a magic ring, but, you know, I'll take it.
I'm always down for interesting new angles of Vampire Lord. Don't get me wrong. And I feel like the ghoul or the sidekick of it all is, now it feels like it's explored a good amount, but, you know, Vampire in Brooklyn gave that character quite a lot more to do. It's not like Fright Night that we talked about before.
Like, that ghoul is great and is significant, but also like is not. He's got no back story. He's got no back story. He's got no back story.
He's got no back story. He's got no back story. He's got no back story. He's fucking hilarious, honestly.
He's just a star girl. Yeah. The best part of it. No joke.
Oh, hands down. All right. So I'm going to go through these production facts, not even facts. I'm going to explain to you things related to the production.
I think this is where a lot of the conversation can come out of is Wes Craven explained that his approach to the film was that he wanted the humor to emerge from the plot as opposed to Eddie's performance. He actually told Eddie to essentially play a very serious character. Charlie Murphy revealed that the film was initially going to be a straightforward horror movie, but Craven changed the focus to make the characters a little bit more relatable. He had explained, Maximilian, the way you're playing him, has no redeeming qualities.
Wes started to teach us that if we want to get the audience to care about our characters, we need to give him something. This approach helped make the villain a little bit more nuanced and engage the audience more with following his story, which I mean, I love two things about him. A, I love that Wes Craven didn't take this hired gig as just like a do whatever Eddie Murphy says. Yeah.
Vehicle. And I like that apparently Wes Craven was one of the few directors that Eddie Murphy would actually take notes from since he is kind of infamously a big e-code guy. Oh, yeah. Now, this might be because we'll find out a little bit later if you're aware it isn't those, but Eddie Murphy loves horror movies and respect it Wes Craven as a director because of that.
Makes me so happy. Shit like that. When that doesn't make me so happy. So I think it actually came to fruition.
A lot of times something won't come to fruition. Even if it's a mediocre movie, it's something won't happen, but Eddie working with Wes Craven is crazy. Here it is. This is literally the next thing in my notes.
At the time of the filming, Eddie Murphy described Van Pryen Brooklyn as what would be a transitional film for his career. He sought to explore more roles than just a typical comedic character. He said, I always wanted to do something where I was the villain of the movie. And I love horror films.
I'm such a big fan of Wes Craven. In a 2011 interview with Rolling Stone, Eddie Murphy humorously reflected on why the film didn't succeed, admitting, I was only able to do Nutty Professor to get out of my Paramount deal. I was only able to do Nutty Professor and get out of my deal with Paramount if I did Vampire in Brooklyn. But you know what ruined that movie?
The Whig. I walked out in that long-haired wig and people said, get the fuck out of here. What the hell is this? That was the least egregious thing.
I love how that's, he blames on the fucking wig, which looks fine to me. He doesn't blame it on Father Paulie or whatever. His second character that shows up for two minutes. Also, not nearly as fucking offensive as Guido or whatever is in that is holy shit.
That character is so fucking offensive. I read that note about Craven trying to bring the humor back into it or not having Max be funny, right? Like to let him be the villain. But then Guido comes around and just like, well, I feel like you just undermined that whole point with this scene, which I would consider something called Evil Fusion is what we call wise.
Yes. This is, I was trying to, I was just going to get like Brooklyn Brewery, something or other, but this is from Evil Twin Brewing, which is out of New York. And it's a- They've showed up multiple times on here. Yes.
Yeah. Evil Twin's been around for here on the show before. And this is a sour with raspberry lemon and pistachio. That's a really interesting flavor combination.
Can you taste the pistachio? This time, so I had one before and I didn't quite get it. This time I got a little bit of it. It has this weird dryness that goes around with the tartness of the raspberry.
It's very good. It's cool. It's a great sour. And it's the summer edition because baby, we're here.
We made it to the warm weather. And I made myself a dark and stormy, which for people that don't drink cocktails, it's dark rum, ginger ale, or ginger beer, and lime juice. And I figured since Maximilian is a Caribbean cast away, I have to show him some respect with my favorite way to drink rum. The only way to drink rum, honestly.
Dark and Stormy's great. Brought that ship right in. Crash right into the dock. Which is a great- Which is a great start to this movie too.
That's an awesome starting point. The fucking dad from Friday, who's the uncle in this, is hilarious. His first actual belly laugh that I got. This movie took forever to finish.
It felt very long. It's like an hour and 35 minutes, but it felt like two. Yeah. But any time that guy is on screen, he's hilarious.
He's one of those dudes who could read a phone book and I would find it, probably funny. He's like, he's such a funny like, affectation. But he goes, oh, my motherfuckers. And I was sold.
I was like, OK, Matt, I accept why you made us watch this. Mm-hmm. All right. So continuing my notes, which this is interesting is this feels contradictory.
But it says, in interviews, Wes Craven reflected on the challenges of making a vampire in Brooklyn, particularly the collaboration with Eddie Murphy. And he explained that I really wanted to work with a big star, but I found that experience to be extremely difficult. He noted that Murphy, who was now focused on trying to maintain a serious image, didn't want to be funny at all. He wanted to play the character super straight.
So I couldn't get any humor in there, even if I wanted to. Craven observed that Murphy's reluctance to embrace the villainous aspects of the role also hindered the film, saying, I didn't want it to be really, really evil. I think I hampered it because I really needed someone to be evil. Long time contributors of Craven's all echoed his frustrations going.
The film is strange experience. Emphasizing how Eddie Murphy's reluctance to be funny was a key obstacle. They also noted that the film felt like a strange studio movie. The cinematographer shared that the production of Empire in Brooklyn was actually a true nightmare, and pointed to Eddie Murphy's lack of enthusiasm for the project as being a primary factor.
He felt that Craven eager to break from the studio system was stuck with Murphy, and seemed determined to undermine the film. Tensions between Craven's goals and Murphy's disengagement pain at the film is a difficult shot. Which seems to contradict everything we heard earlier. There's so many contradicting things, but the person we were just talking about, the dad from Friday said that this was one of his favorite films he ever worked on.
Oh my god, wow. He said it was crazy the different experiences that everybody could find on different levels. Now his reasoning he said was that this was the first time he was ever allowed to ad-lib. He said Eddie Murphy allowed him to go off script and Craven, who was mostly known for hard work, apparently surprised him with how funny he was and called him one of the most hilarious directors he's ever worked with.
He said the ad-libbing did prove tricky and I love this quote. The worst thing about ad-libbing is when we have to shoot it again and I can't remember what I just said. Craven would take notes and then give them to him and say repeat this line because it was really funny and we're definitely going to use it now. So I do love this version of Wes Craven where it's like as much as he's a hard guy that he like actually knows comedy and notes like what's going to work and what's not going to work.
Well isn't that the conversation that we have so much is like horror and comedy. Harring comedy they have the same timing. The co-writer of the film Chris Parker said I don't want to disparage Vampiram Brooklyn. I think I love it and I'm glad it happened.
What strange is that as the years go by no matter where I go there's these people who love the movie and know all of the lines from it. I live in Atlanta right now and whenever it comes up to people in the community that I made the movie I met with such a positive response and giant grins on everyone's faces and like this is a movie that's really kind of had that classic re-evaluation lately. Like I found so many different quotes with people that were like hey it's charming it's interesting that like they did this 90s movie but really tried to keep a 30s and 40s vibe to like the score and the look of the castles and stuff. That sort of permeates right because I just remember seeing the poster so much or seeing it on TV like it's existing on TV enough that I just assumed that it was a hit and everybody liked it.
So then now like a like a re-evaluating or evaluating it for me but re-evaluating it this many years later it's so interesting that people really have a like they're the following for it. I just remember the VHS like on the shelf all the time. I remember the trailer constantly playing on like MTV when I was a kid in 1995. Twenty or five years ago Rotten Tomatoes released a podcast called Rotten Tomatoes Score is incorrect for Vampire of Brooklyn to try to justify the Vampire of Brooklyn should have received a much higher score calling it a cult classic.
Is it a one episode? Like yeah like it's just a one-off episode. They said if you look closely there are glimmers of Craven's Keen Sense of Humor and Eddie Murphy's natural born charisma oozing out of the film. This is the last part that I really want to share because I think it is so fucking funny.
The editor Patrick Lasser discussed several challenges during the production. He explained that the tragic death of a stunt woman early in the film had a significant emotional effect on the film. There was a lot of weight on that film because of it. It's a pretty awful thing.
He later also noted creative differences between Eddie Murphy who wanted the film to be more in the vein of Wes Craven's The Serpent and The Rainbow in Paramount and Paramount that was hoping for a more humorous Beverly Hills cop style horror film. He recalled the original drafts of the script were much darker and much more Brooklyn-centric and really really cool. One early script idea featured an intense ending. I think the original ending had an oil tanker dangling off of the Brooklyn Bridge and a sort of fight between Eddie and Angela and Alan all happening at once.
However the studio insisted on humor. Lasser recalled that the head of the studio Paramount dragged him after seeing some of the dailies and yelled at him that it needed to be funnier. They compared it to the humor of Jack Nicholson's famous shining line which led Craven to respond, do you hear yourself? You're telling me this needs to be funnier like the shining.
So I this is now the second time I've watched this movie and I don't know if there will be a third time but I do have to agree that like if my main point of this movie is that this movie is better than what you've probably heard this movie is like go watch it because it's like you said Julius star the movie as far as I'm concerned. They do they get so many good bits out of him whether it's like him waxing the car in his hand popping up and then he heads up mannequin's hand it's so funny the layers of the two with that and it also has that humor I think the other humor that comes out of it is like you said the dad from Friday literally sees this dude's hand popping off and it's still like not even remotely like oh something weird happening because he has chlamydia or something like that he's like like they just kind of like write all of it off it's like ah you know it's just it's teens it's crazy out in the streets these days it is a really fun movie I remember the trailer specifically always end it with the scene where he gets shot in the beginning of the movie and he like runs down the laundry list of everything's like man yeah that's a really weird feeling like I've been burned I've been stabbed I've never been shot like it's I that was like the big selling pitch and I think it's because it's probably the only actual joke that Eddie Murphy's character has in the entire movie so you like throw that in the trailer be like see it's Eddie Murphy it's a horror film yeah yeah but it's also like I think back to 1995 we weren't really doing horror comedy that in 1995 like I understand why this was a hard pill to swallow I understand why critics were like what the fuck is this yeah it wasn't funny enough to be over an obvious one and it wasn't scary enough to be a straight horror movie which is fine I have no problem with what it is now as an adult man in a you know like a society that has kind of expanded the bounds of what you know like what we see as acceptable in a horror movie yeah yeah I also think it's like it's weird coming off of sinners existing and there's a lot of a lot of talk about a black vampires or like or what that looks like or the lack of representation or lack of black vampire movies whatever it might be there's a couple different versions of that but like vampire brook is not brought up as one of those this is like no pick so you know it's like it's kind of it's kind of strange like you know something like which like Deaf by Temptation gets talked about more than something like vampire brook which I think I know it's a it's a more traditional horror movie and it's a better it's one of the it's definitely Deaf by Temptation is one of the better like trauma acquisitions so are you say because that one is actually on the list for this year I mean it's it's untaken so if you guys need something we could easily do these by Temptation it's been a long time since I watched it but I do remember like in the grand scheme of trauma has has acquired a lot of trash yeah like a lot of trash this was like actually you go back to like Lloyd Kaufman the person who just once independent filmmakers to have a voice and I think that that's one of those cases where like this guy made a really interesting horror film but probably because it was the early 90s or late 80s and it was a horror film starring in all black cast nobody wanted anything to do with it and he was like he's like well then we'll put it out like it might not be the audience that you want to reach but at least they'll be an audience I can find it this movie I do think highlights to me right now I'm looking at Wes Craven's filmography right and like there have been good movies and there have been bad movies I mean I'm not the biggest fan of the hills have eyes we did deadly blessing on this podcast I fucking love people under the stairs like I love Wes Craven's new nightmare but what I think is interesting about this movie is like even when he is maybe not maybe he's fumbling the ball a little bit right he's not getting to the end zone this movie still shines like he is such a good director as far as like visualizing what is necessary for the film because I do love that call out of like you're doing this very 90s concept of a vampire in Brooklyn it's Eddie Murphy it's all those things but to like there's a versions movie that's 290s right like the world where he melds it was like all right we're gonna have some of that 90s aesthetic but we're gonna clash it against the traditional 30s vampire aesthetic at the same time is a really cool call and I don't think most people would have done that call they would have 1000 percent just been like a fish out of water Dracula Dracula 1995. It took him seriously too right yeah exactly he's like yeah it would turn into like that to the parody or that to the joke is that's very two different time frames and coming to America but he's a fucking vampire coming to America would be like that bit and I'm gonna get you sucker where like the old pimp gets released from jail after 25 years and it's him walking down the streets in the late 80s but he's got the suit and the goldfish shoes and everybody's laughing at him the whole time because he looks so outdated like that's I think what a lesser director would have done is like the movies about how dumb it looks that this guy is a millennia old vampire who's not like with it and like I love that he's just like no people people are charmed by it they find him swab like it's it's it is what it is like it's and like a thousand years old would make you super smart I mean you know he's so weird through many different style changes why wouldn't he be able to handle this one well and also handling it in a way and obviously I don't really talk about this on this podcast but I help co-produce a non-profit podcast about gang culture and kids growing up in gangs and like trying to do gang prevention but they do treat that relationship between Max and Julius the way the neighborhood sees it as the same as someone joining a gang that there's this person that's providing money for services and you have to do illicit stuff and like the rest of the neighborhood just kind of knows don't fuck with that guy because he's working with that other guy yeah and knowing questions where the money's coming from or what what's being done to to provide it like there's a lot of really smart decisions done here and kind of similar to like to like how I feel about people under the stairs I do think that Wes Craven despite you know being a white guy grow it that spent most of his time out in California like he has that understanding of of culture to like kind of talk about it in a way that's not as exploitative as it would be in a lot of other white director's hands I think he really understands the function of society a lot right like and that's and that is that is boiled down where he's I think he can be sensitive to different cultures and different environments in which he is like representing but at the same time doesn't and nothing's ever the butt of a joke or is um I shouldn't say nothing I think that there might be some missteps and this might be a reflection but this is also not like truly like Wes's thing you know this is just going to direct this and so be it but like he's really really good at understanding I mean even from last house on the left on like just having the dichotomy of like New York City to you know outskirts Connecticut like rural Connecticut and having that be the divide and then he's just able to build on that for decades sometimes it's a miss like he does have a really crazy career but I do think that he always really understands society's role in how people have to live you know it's really interesting as well what you're saying though Kyle and I didn't really think about that until just now is that I didn't feel trepidation watching a black horror comedy from 1995 directed by Wes Craven you know like I'm like it'll be fine I felt that too anything that is like maybe this is just me but knowing Eddie Murphy and kind of how blue his comedy was in the 80s you know like I was like well anything that's somewhat untoward is I'm just gonna pin it on Eddie Murphy because I know he's an even maniac you know so I don't know maybe it's actually this point like you like Roth to do this like what does he you know I mean like there I don't know what it is I mean I do know what it is about Wes Craven but there he is he has he has accepted a role in horror history and it feels it felt okay watching this I was like okay feeling good west Wes Craven's decisions as a director is the only reason why I can rewatch last house on the left in a way that I can't rewatch a lot of the other movies in that same thing yeah and it's because like that is a film that like from a film study perspective where he chooses to place the camera when things happen what what he chooses to focus on are so interesting because it is an exploitation film it's an undeniable grindhouse exploitation film but then it does those weird moments where it's like after they murder the girls you just linger on the people who committed the murder for like four minutes as they just kind of stand there trying to process what they just did like and that's like the stuff that you wouldn't get and say I spit on your grave right now you weren't you weren't getting that level of like caring about the humans even the villains in that weird way of like like hey this fuck them up too like you know weird way when they do get his dick cut off in a and I spit on your grave I don't feel anything but there is this yeah there's this balance you know I can't stop leaning over and over yeah you know the joke of you know dudes getting their dicks chopped off in both of those movies is one thing but um the the you know I feel like last house on the left and it has been decades since I've watched it and I don't know if I'd want to watch it again but I have the utmost respect for what it was as far as exploitation films go I think that it is like the most tender and that's like a really fucked up thing to say but it's like when the girls know they're about to get fucking killed they give up the fight and then they console each other and that is I think like was that was 70 79 for so it wasn't really because it was because hills have eyes with 77 I think that's 74 okay well I mean that movie think about that having a white director doing a an exploitation movie where he actually shows the the true like weight of all the expectations occurring on the screen is wild you know like an and I am not a west cravings stand I am not trying to say that I'm not a lot of last I was on the left stand I'm just saying that like when he got it right it's so blatantly obvious and I'm not saying full movies I'm just saying like when he got a trope or a theme right it's so blatantly obvious that he understood humans and what can make a good thought-provoking moment and maybe we're giving too much credit to vampire in Brooklyn but I also think a little bit what we're also saying is that like you know he he had that eye and that knack to not beat you over the head with the like the slapstick he thing like even there is slapstick in this but it's it's not such a way that doesn't bother me and I hate slapstick you know and he doesn't listen it's we've talked about this before I think we said this after he died like there are so few hard directors that have three different decades where they have an iconic important film you know I'm like like he's got last house on left in the 70s which is a genuinely important film that people reference he does Night Round Omestreet in the 80s and like creates this unbelievable money-making machine and then does scream in the 90s and redefines what horror is for the next like 15 years like I love Toby Hooper he couldn't he there's no more to be Hooper could like reinvent horror three decades in a run now well we still got to give him respect because TCM the manger what because he made the manger you just you just proved your own point wrong because we got TCM in the 70s we got TCM 2 in the 80s and the manger in the 90s manger in the 90s wait wait wait no he's rocket island the aughts I'll talk about it maybe we'll talk about that who's to say a safer Ontario means more police and prosecutors making sure my car doesn't get stolen it means building new jails the key criminals behind bars and it means there's no need to wear me when I play at the park we're making every corner of Ontario safer to make all of Ontario safer that's how we protect Ontario for all of us learn how at ontario.ca slash safer 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We're on twitch and youtube live find out more at internet supreme court dot com that's internet supreme court dot com we're also on instagram and blue sky hear that dlond blue sky all right so double features i'm going to go ahead and and take an easy one here i'm going to go with another um 90s i think it's a vampire too i can't remember but 90s black exploitation horror film i'm going with bones snarking snooped hook i'm pretty sure he's a vampire yeah i've never seen it it's been forever since i saw it but i'm pretty sure he's a vampire as well i almost asked if you'd seen it and like well of course i've not seen it um yeah wow that's that's a choice what about you guys awesome uh i'm gonna i'm gonna go day of the beast i thought it would be really fun to really like i was just thinking of the city and of the like the spin on some of the lore of what we're you know what the content was i just thought day it would be really fun one to watch again like it is horror comedy but some reason it is never like it just don't put it in that category so i think it could be fun not a vampire vengeful ghost movie oh yes the you're such are being killed by a gunshot jami johnny bones comes back as a ghost to wreak havoc on those who killed him and kept his neighborhood honestly they should have had a different character design for the um cover art because that screamed vampire look at vampire oh that's a thousand percent all right it's got how about you i'm going with from dusk till dawn which is such a weird choice um but i feel like it'll be fun and i felt like really what cinched it for me was when julius's arm gets popped off by the uncle and i'm like oh yeah they have that guitar that the mariachi band is playing or that the the super club band is playing and it's all made out of human body parts and so i was like oh perfect um well if you want to hang out with us from dust till dawn there's a lot of great ways to do so starting with going to our patreon.com backslash 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letterbox review that i wrote um because i watched i watched in a violent nature and i gave it two and a half stars and this is all i said was maybe it was because i spent a year hearing about it or maybe it was because i watched it in my living room on a random weekday but i thought in general this was an interesting experiment where the final result was strictly fine um and that's still how i feel about it like there are moments that are cool there's some interesting ideas with what they were doing but all in all i kind of just kept feeling bored at parts i felt like it kept breaking its own rules yeah that's the biggest mistake that made it would jump to characters that aren't where the the killer is so it's like just stay with the killer like i don't care if he's walking underwater to get to the kids on the dock i'd rather follow him underwater then jump away from him to see what the kids are like i think it's on her own narrate if she's that he sees a while about incredible now matt i think that you're pointing out something that i didn't point it i didn't come to the the understanding when i watched it and discussed it is that yeah they break their own rules and you know why they fucking did that is because they painted themselves into a corner they're like oh we're just gonna follow the killer and then they're like oh that's boring it's an awesome concept for a movie the the it just though i don't think that anybody could make it work because like yeah you're gonna have to have but also that the suspense then will kind of be inverted in more of a jaws type way if literally if it's under the water you're seeing from the killer's perspective that's more of a slasher movie you know like micomires first kill is wearing the clown mask in halloween that's my that's my argument but i think you can only do it as a comedy that's what i've been pitching doing for ten years now is i've wanted to do a movie that is fully like a go pro camera strapped to the front of a serial killer like a Jason vore he's type killer but the idea being playing up all the jokes of the logistics that don't make sense when you're telling like the dead bodies for the damn well like like arranging the dead bodies in just the right way for the final girl to find them and stuff like that like there's something humorous you can do with it but i just don't think it works as a serious harm of a killer has like ikea instructions on how to assemble the human body part altar that they need basically cap in the woods too but i was like that there's a whole example that helped make silly serial killers better the example that i always made was if you were trying to i think the original idea i had was that you basically just re-shoot all of right in the thirteenth but never leaving the the POV of pamela vore he's essentially yeah and the bit that i always talked about is the kevin bacon arrow through the neck immediately after having sex scene because you would have to have a scene of this killer quietly army crawling across the floor to get to where the bed is and then laying there with the mattress like hitting him in the face like it's like like it doesn't stop being funny to me it's because it's just like it's so silly because you don't think about that perspective that's the only way to do that movie correctly to me is that it's you're doing a far-spinning out the the logic leaps that you take for granted it's really really great that bit in particular is really great because you could lean into a premature ejaculation joke while also making the runtime pretty quick for having to stay underneath that bed you know you can you can quicken that whole thing and then make a really great crass joke about coming too quick i think it's brilliant in a violent nature it's fine it's listen the yoga kill is cool that's the other thing i think besides the yoga kill there was nothing that was like bringing me for how much people talked about how visceral and violent it was like this is all stuff i've seen in a million slasher movies um all right but that's it it it's it's fine two and a half stars go watch it or don't i don't know yeah man i'm gonna shit um i watched a movie called diabolical inheritance and it is a um mexican movie from shot on vino movie you call it by its by its mexican name you're right you for yes i will and that is i can't believe you want diabolica yeah parensea diabolica dude why did you watch that without us right i i was not sure that it would be worthy of of this just kind of no no it's uh it is pitched in circles and by circles i mean the vinegar syndrome release or the dalcer video release uh that they put on blu ray i had bought because it's from 1994 and it is mexico's answer to child's play yeah allegedly and it i mean it's it's mean spirited it is weird it is shot on video which means that there are a few special effects and overlays that are pretty tragic yeah it's pretty greeny i don't think it's not that it's a bad time i just think unfortunately the uh and this is so funny to talk about because of course it's bad quality but there's this idea that it's like discovered and released and packaged so nicely and this is what you know you know they you know they sold me i like i got sold on that it was the straight to you know shot on video 90s mexican child's play i was like you sold me on it and um and it is and it isn't it's both exactly what they told me it was and it's also not what my expectations were um and i'm glad that i watched it was one of those things where i've been so busy here that i've not been able to really just like sit and watch something for fun um and i had a lot of laundry to fold and it's i think it's like 80 minutes like tops now on the blu ray there's no dubbing so it was subtitled so it did take me a little bit longer to get my laundry done but i was able to do both things because there's also plenty of moments where there's no talking and there's just really awful music playing and and slow zooms and a lot of filler there's a whole sexy that takes place in the dark there's no exposure of any there's no there's a whole love-making scene that is there's nobody can see anything and it's the age difference between the two people that inherit this house that has this doll is not it's not comfy um which is why we did it's just why there's no sexy because we're not gonna force anybody to do something that is not sexy or comfortable or both um josh mexico in 1994 yeah i i'm gonna i'm gonna chalk that up to an intimacy coordinator but i actually think that it might have been a few other things uh maybe the last on their list is an intimacy coordinator but it works i'm glad they didn't fuck it up and i wasn't uncomfortable uh it's i think it's really it's if you know i haven't talked about i feel like i haven't talked about a real piece of trash in a long time um and that was pretty pretty awful and worth watching if that's something you're into next up trabah infernal yeah i've got the dvd so i can make us a copy yeah yeah all right scott all right so i was i was trying to remember last week if i had discussed this one but i i don't think you did i i checked um but i watched companion um because that also hit max i want to say the same week as her as a heretic and um both starring Sophie Thatcher and so you got your push dude but totally warranted because well i watched companion first and i was blown the fuck away by her she's so cool she's so good at it and i mean like she was just i was like okay she's one to watch you know i watch right here right here but it's her here it's hard not to say that's really hard about that and i liked the fact that she played who she played in that movie but companion nah nah movie is that 24 movie or is that 25 movie that's 24.
That's 24. Brian texted me literally last night and all it said was companion was awesome dude you i think you'll love it kyleve you watched it i've not seen it oh man you guys you guys got to watch it you'll love it i think i mean it is a really love the marketing for it love the trailers that the house is that yeah and the thing is that there are still surprises in the movie good even because like and i thought that was very cool because i was like oh it's a killer robot movie yeah killer sex bot movie basically and i'm like how do you go up from there how do you make it compelling and interesting and it it's got some action it's got a fuck ton of like gore for the for a low body count um in my opinion it's like it's not like it's not like a gore fest but like the kills are quite wet but it's also got some great social commentary i don't know how jack quaid i want to call him jake quaid but jack quaid like well i mean he's a great actor right but like he plays slimy smarmy motherfucker so well it was written and directed by a guy named drew hancock um and for a movie that is written and directed by a man that does include scenes of violence against women um i felt i never felt like it was like mean spirited and it didn't feel exploitative it didn't like all those things that like okay killer sex bot like you think that that's gonna come up i felt relatively comfortable there was like right in the penultimate scene i was like this is kind of getting a little bit more violent than i wanted but it's for good reason and then it pays off um but fantastic movie i really wish it was a 25 movie because i basically say like okay there's my best the one to be but like oh the movies i've watched this year that's the one to be yeah that's not right now that's great i i've been i've been eager to see it and um now that's available i'll definitely be checking it out he probably got that way because he wrote fred three camp fred and i think that that probably has something to do with his ability to um sorry fred was uh was orange not taking his calls with a but he got in there with fred he was able to get in there where he needed to be with fred no actually i was just looking at his direction and his writing and he's not i mean he's done a lot but it's just not been in that direction and it's so tight the cool it's a really really well made movie yeah i mean i guess the trailers really got me i was i was really excited to see and i was also like happy that it wasn't an a 24 movie and it's like it really did feel like it feels is it neon it's um it's not even neon it's um i think it's sony i thought it was sony like it's not it's not either of those uh well actually it could be i have to take that back i was one of brother's yeah well it's new line it produced my new line which yeah is what i didn't know like you know i know that yeah you know it's always a subject to see i remember seeing the new line come up i'm like oh okay i feel good but like yeah it's one of other's uh distribution deal but it feels very neon to me yeah all right good i mean i like that shit so i'm i'm in i mean that sounds awesome well guys will be your companion whenever you need somebody got there so so long it's so long as it's thursday nights or friday morning on your drive to work uh stay tuned next week for even more horror movie night here to entertain you will sing your song hey there are you obsessed with things that happened before your time well if you are join me the host of before my time gelsie lory to discuss the wonders of the yester years that we weren't around to enjoy ourselves you can find us on all podcast platforms you're listening to the geeks game network