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There are mysteries in this world that you need to know and paranormal truths that need to be told. Come step up into the caravan while we share tales of old as well as new accounts about things you thought only existed in your nightmares. Welcome lore folks, back inside the caravan tonight I have my sister on with me. Ever since we were children, we have been interested in the supernatural and paranormal, having a lot of strange encounters together.

In fact, episode two of the Caravan, Intoxicated Time Slipper was one of those childhood experiences. Tonight, however, we are wanting to share our passions about vampires and werewolves. It's hard for me to remember what exactly sparked my interest in vampires or what the first vampire movie I saw actually was. Most likely it was that I ready version of Dracula and took off from there.

And since I'm mentioning movies, I would have to say hands down that my favorite vampire movie is Interview with a Vampire. What's your favorite movie, sister? Vampires or werewolves? I have to agree with you on Interview with Vampire.

That's a really good one. Although the old school part of me also likes the original black and white Dracula with Bela Lugosi werewolves. You know, I really don't have a favorite werewolf movie per se, although I do kind of like Silver Bullet and American Werewolf in London. Right.

I can't remember the name of the movie, but Del Toro, he was in it. It was like Wolfman and there was Anthony Hopkins. Have you seen that one? Yes, yes.

I really like that one. That was really good. I really liked how they played that. No, that's for sure.

Me too. But I've always been more interested in the folklore as opposed to Hollywood's take on it. Right, but here's my question for you. Since obviously I'm the vampire person and you're the werewolf person, if you had that opportunity, if somebody came to you and said for a fact, I have proof that they're real, I have proof that you can be one, hands down, would you do it, you know, it really depends on the conditions.

I mean, is it a voluntary transformation? Do I get to choose? Or is it one of those from, you know, things like the Howling where you just turn and you have no control whatsoever? If I had a safe place to turn and I could choose when to transform, I probably would.

Nice. But if it was completely uncontrollable, Right. I don't think I would take that risk. And even though it would be completely controllable, let's say I would think that that would be pretty painful.

Would you still do it even though there's that crazy bone cracking transformation? Quite possibly. It. I mean, I have way of possibilities, but once it starts, there's no one going back, so I got to deal with it one way or the other.

That's true. That's true, man. I, you know, it's a. It's a question that I ask a lot of people, and it's amazing to see everybody's answer so far.

It really seems like there's an even amount of people that would turn into one or the other and an even amount of people that would not give up their human lives and actually want to see what's, you know, what's beyond the, the bridge after we pass. But I would have to say for myself, hands down, if somebody came up to me and said, hey, I can turn you into a vampire and give you eternal life, and I think that I would do it even if I had to avoid the sun, you know, and just had to be out at night, I think I would still do it. I mean, I'm always. Here's the twist question, though.

If it involves killing people and drain their blood, I know I've been turning my sister into a murderer. Well, you know what, though? You're part of the vampire, you get to murder people, you know? Well, okay, how about this?

I just drain you of your blood, little bit. But I let you live. I just take some of it, you know, I'm sure you can make a deal with somebody in blood bank, right? Yeah.

Okay. There we go. Right? Yes, yes.

That's so. I love it. Advil will help with Tylenol. Well, hey, you know, I would have that hypnotism trick.

So, you know all the, all the supplies of Advil and morphine if you need it, and we'll just make it a party, right? When you go into more modern pop culture, everything these days seems to be focused around an animosity and a conflict between vampires and werewolves, right? Yes. You see it everywhere.

It's in Movies, it's in books. But I was doing a little research and I am not convinced that has anything based in lore. I'm fully convinced that it is a construct of Hollywood. You know, that makes me have another question.

Maybe I should have looked it up. I wonder what came first, werewolves or vampires? Because they're both a being that is made from a human coming back from the grave. Well, I think it depends on what part of the world you're in as well.

Because in my research, I found evidence where the legends came up concurrently. So there really wasn't a before and after. They just both kind of happened. And then on the same token, I've come across myths and legends where beliefs hold that if a werewolf corpse is not properly destroyed, that it would return as a vampire.

That's crazy. That's crazy to me. That's cool, because I haven't. That's a new one for me.

I haven't heard that one very much. I think the first time I heard about that was about a month ago. Yeah, I heard a whole lot about it. I haven't researched it in depth, but I have seen it pop up in different places and in some kind of gruesome where it's actually in the form of wolves which prowl battlefields and they would drink the blood of dying soldiers.

Wow. You know what? I'm gonna go back to that question of would you be a vampire? Werewolf?

Because if that's the case, all right, if you're a werewolf and if your corpse isn't disposed of properly and you come back as a vampire, okay, if you're just a vampire, then you can be killed with a wooden stake. Right? Well, if you're a werewolf, let's say you get shot with a silver bullet and. But your body, you know, let's say the person doesn't know about it or whatever, isn't properly disposed of, you're not dead.

Now you get to come back as a vampire, so you're even more invisible. You know what I mean? And so that would actually. That would be the one condition that would make me.

Oh, okay. Is that silver. We're being killed by a silver bullet and we're being killed by silver is a more recent belief, apparently, from what I read. And that.

Yes. And actually silver was believed to repress the transfer transformation and potentially if a werewolf was stabbed with a silver dagger per se, that it would revert the werewolf to human form. I don't think that's true in all legends, but I did come across that in a couple different Places. Nice.

And so one of the theories for that is that it was a mistranslation. Oh, yes, because it was that the whole. Because it's not a feature of folklore necessarily that silver kills the werewolf. That's more belief that popped up in the mid-1700s.

And some researchers believe that the silver weakness comes from the mistranslation of silvered metal, which refers to quicksilver or more commonly, mercury. Oh, nice. Okay. Huh.

So. Ooh. Because a lot of things, once Hollywood gets their teeth in something, so many of the original ideas get lost. Right.

And you really have to dig up, you know, some of these other things. But werewolves don't even have to be wolves. They can be foxes. They can be lions, jaguars.

Oh, man, I've heard of the. There's like a. It's a legend over in Africa about a. Like a were lion.

That's cool. Another common one is weretigers. Whereabouts in the world. You know, I think the were tigers are from India.

How. Wow. So all over the world there's werebeasts. Yes.

And there are even some native American myths, although I really haven't looked into them that touch on some of that as well. But I really think that a lot of that starts going into more spiritual things rather than were creature transformations. And I think it just kind of gets lumped in. I could be wrong.

Again, not something that I really look into because most of my research tends to go towards the werewolf proper, if you want to call it that. Right. Well, it's just crazy to me how these myths and legends are all over the world, whether it's about the were beasts or the vampires and how similar it is. I was gonna share with you a couple things that I found in regards to lore with vampires.

I came across an article on live science and I'll just kind of read what. What they had. They were talking that salava traditions that they say that the vampires are human corpses that have returned from the grave. And that's.

And even that is only a few hundred years old. Older beliefs on vampires, however, have them in the supernatural demonic type of entities whom don't take any type of human form at all. And there's actually reason to believe tales of vampires originating from Egyptian folklore, being a demon that was summoned. And tales of such creatures can be found worldwide.

In Asia, they are known as the chongqi, which is an evil spirit that attacks the living and drains them of their life energy. They are. There are also blood drinking deities mentioned in the Tibetan Book of the Dead. And in Greece, there is an entity known as the.

I'll probably pronounce it wrong. Kala Kenzaro, which spends its time in a different world and only emerges during the 12 nights before Christmas. And here's the really crazy part. According to the Greek legend, any child born on one of those nights will actually become one of those vampiric creatures.

Can you believe that? I can't believe the myth. In fact, I ran across mentions of children born on December 24th specifically becoming werewolves. So really, how messed up are you if you're born on the 24th?

Are you from a werewolf or a vampire? Oh, man, no. That's so crazy. You know, with how much the lore, I don't know, correlates or goes hand in hand.

I wonder if one was born from the other, if there was a mistranslation somehow. Now, with werewolf origins, you can go back quite a ways to suggestions of tribal shamans basically channeling spirits, or being able to attune with nature to the point of being able to transform into these animals. Right. And the earliest mention that I could find of werewolves, because I had brushed myself up a little bit.

But in my little bit of research I did before here to refresh was a possible mention in the Epic of Gilgamesh, the Sumerian epic poem, right. Where Gilgamesh deals with the potential lover because she turned her previous lover into a wolf. So you go back to these and it makes you wonder, you know, where did they actually originate? But a lot of the ways to become these creatures, both werewolves and vampire, I noticed, overlap.

One of the big ones is being the seventh son. And worse yet, if you are the seventh son, or in some cases, the seventh child of a seventh child. Oh, right. Oh, man.

And I found instances where they say that if that's a circumstance for you, you'll turn into a werewolf. And then I've likewise seen it for a vampire. Wow. And then you have your respective way that are solely one or the other, you know, getting bit by your respective creatures and overlap.

But it's specific. If I get bit or scratched by a werewolf, I turn into werewolf. You get bit by a vampire, you turn into a vampire. Right.

I remember actually when I was a little kid, probably one of the first instances of. For my interest in werewolves manifested itself is a grandmother bought me this short little subscription to these books about monsters and things like that, and had vampire, that had zombies, it had werewolves. Frankenstein's monster was featured on one of them. Really?

Man, that sounds like a cool subscription. I had like Ranger Rick. Well, it was super simplified for Kids. But it was amazing and I was absolutely in love with it.

And I remember reading in the booklet for the werewolf, specifically how to become a werewolf. And I vowed when I was, you know, being my grandmother here, that when I grew up, I was gonna go out and I was gonna try these things to try to become a werewolf and say they were. Oh, my God, I love it. You know, apparently, you know, I've been interested in becoming a werewolf since the single digit ages.

And one of those ways was drinking water from either a place where a wolf has also drank, or more specifically, water that has settled into a wolf's paw print. Whoa. Nice. So that's.

That's crazy. Oh, yeah. I mean, there's so many other ways, you know, being cursed or conceived even under a new moon or sleeping under a full moon on a Friday. I was just gonna say that's very specific.

Oh, my gosh, that's nuts. I'll tell you. I don't know if you know this, and I think I've mentioned it before on a previous episode, so it's a little weird, but I was so into vampires when I was a teenager, right? And like, I was learning about all, like there's this whole, I don't know what you call, like a subculture or whatever, underground culture.

I don't know, where there's these people and they dress the part, you know, and there's these vampire balls and there's these. They do take it as far, I think they're called sanguinarians, where they actually will drink each other's blood, you know, and they say it's all willingly and everything, but. And I actually met some of these people, right? Really cool people.

Just, you know, super into the culture. Yeah. And we chat and everything. Well, man, I was actually going to save up my money, right?

And purchase dental. Like, dentist made vampire fangs and actually have them implanted permanent vampire teeth. I was, yeah, it was totally a thing for me. Well, you know, I can't say anything.

I was all gung ho to drink, you know, muddy water. Oh, my God, we're so weird, because this is something that the listeners need to know, too. We didn't grow up together. Okay.

We live like, what, four? Yeah. You lived in. Well, I lived in Northeastern Oregon and you grew up in Northwestern Oregon.

Yeah, yeah. We've got quite the difference between us. And we would only see each other during the summertime. And it was every summer from when I was like, what, about a year old until I was about 14, I think.

Actually there was a couple Years before that, because I want to say you were about 10, and we went a couple of years without seeing each other. Oh. And it was 14 that we thought you were 14 when we saw each other again. I remember that because that was about time where.

That's when they talked to you. The time slipper. Right. The house that I lived in at the time.

The creepy place. And then it was several years after that that we saw each other again. So it's been very intermittent for, you know, being in the same physical space. Right.

And it's. It's significant for this too, because it's just so funny that we were both so gung ho about these things, you know, growing up so far away, but we were both going to become vampires and werewolves and more. So not even the space. But the fact that they grew up with vastly different family dynamics, that's true for me.

Our maternal grandmother raised me. Right. Whereas you grew up with your paternal father. Paternal family.

Right. So the races weren't even related. Right. Yeah, that's true.

So that makes it even crazier. We're just. We're just really that weird. Yeah.

And before I forget too, because I have a couple more vampire legends that I wrote down from around the world, and one of them is really crazy and I wanted to share them with you. Okay. The first one was from Russia, and again, I'm probably gonna say this wrong. It was called.

It's either upper or upper, I'm not really sure. It looks like a human, but it has metal teeth and it has this insane thirst for blood, but it will eat your heart for fun. Okay. And then in Australia, and this one's really weird.

It says there's a yara mayahu, and it's small with this large head, but all over its fingers and toes are these like, suckers. And these suckers have razor sharp teeth on them. And so they'll jump out of these trees and they'll attach themselves to you and then they start sucking your blood through their fingers and toes. I've never heard of the empire like that before.

That's insane. And then the last one is from Czechoslovakia. It says they have the. I'm not really sure.

Again, I'm good at pronouncing things, but it is a. It is just a walking cadaver which is said to have the ability to destroy an entire village, like at once. Wow. Yeah.

So those are the vampires of the world. Oh, I guess I should say here to get a little bit more realistic with all of this. And I'm not, you Know, I'm not necessarily one. I'm not doing this podcast or coming to everybody going, hey, this is real and this is not.

Or you need to believe this or not believe that. I mean, who knows what's really going on? Maybe there are people that can do witchcraft or shamanism or whatever it is and actually transform. I don't know.

But what I do know, and what I've had personal experience with, is psychic vampires and those. That's scary, you know, because. And there are some people that actually don't realize. Well, I guess a lot of them kind of don't realize what they're doing.

Um, but you can. It's a psychic vampire is basically anybody that you can walk into a room with this person and you just feel drained on all different levels. Physical, mental, emotional. You just.

It's like somebody just, you know, sucked the soul right out of you. Um, and then there are. So there are people that are like that, but then there's the entities that are kind of like spirits and ghosts that are. That do that as well.

So there are vampires. I noticed there's a much wider variety of vampires than you ever will find of werewolves. And a lot of those varieties border on being completely plausible for one reason or another. Right.

A lot of it's much more on a scientific level, I guess you could call it, as opposed to a mythological, you know, form. But the word vampire is so easy to use for so many different aspects. Like you were talking about psychic vampires. You know, you're not gonna find psychic werewolves.

You're find people who suffer from mental illnesses that make them believe that they're wolves. Yeah, yeah. What is that disease? Like canthropathy.

Okay. Yeah, yeah. You know, that goes. That kind of goes over into the medieval mental hospitals and how they would actually treat, like, cranthropy.

Oh, man. Here's a fun connection as well. Is back, way back in Nordic, I think it was legends there. They had warriors that would dawn, bear skins and drink a special brew, and they would, in a way, transform.

Yeah. But from some of that, we actually get the word berserker. Are you kidding? Wow.

These are legitimately. You know, this is back in history. I mean, it's not like a physical transformation necessarily, but they would get this, and they would kind of just have this. I don't know what you want to call it.

I guess outrage is as good as turn it down. I would think so. But, you know, they were terrified. Wow, man.

So that's completely legitimate forms yet again, you know, So a lot of it. There are ways for these things to be real without being as fantastical. Yes. As the mythical counterparts.

Right, true. You know, and a lot of people will say, oh, vampires and werewolves don't exist. Well, maybe not in Hollywood terms. Right.

But if you look at the base idea of it, in some ways they do, you know, feels much more connected to animals than they do people. Oh, yeah. And it can be various. Various reasons.

You know, a child of an abusive home finds, you know, an essay or connection with, say, the family dog or something as a way of coping. Right. You know, but, you know, if you have severe enough trauma to your psyche, you could very well show some of these attributes, you know, people associate with, you know, like anthropan. Werewolf.

Right. You know, there was an article and video footage, too. There was a story about a girl that was abandoned in the forest or she ran away before us or something. I'm sure somebody can comment and get me straight.

But she was like, maybe it was a boy. But they lived out in the wild for so long. It was a child. Yeah.

And it was, you know, or she. He acted like a wild animal, you know, and it was like, where the devil is? And so there they might have had attributes of the monkeys that were around, you know, I think what you're talking about is several different stories because that is not a singular. It's not a singular idea.

There are several stories. Boys, girls, it doesn't matter who are supposedly raised by these wild animals. It's. I think they refer to it as the forbidden experiment, kind of the nature versus nurture thing.

Right. Okay. Yeah, I'll have to. I'll have to do some more research on that.

Yeah. There's a whole other world to that. And yeah. What we're talking about, since we're, you know, touching on it, real encounters with supposed werewolves or vampires.

Right. They have it. I myself, I have absolutely no reason. There's no facts, there's no physical evidence for me to back it up other than just this deep seated belief.

I saw a guy pass by my house window at some weird time in the night in a very quiet neighborhood. You remember? Same house from the same house. Same house.

Very quiet neighborhood. Remember? Nobody shows up there that you don't know. It was absolutely silent.

It's just like my house out there where I grew up. Totally like. And it was weird to have anybody walk by. Exactly.

Well, weird time tonight. This guy just goes walking past and there was this inner belief. And I hadn't seen any scary movies or anything that would affect My natural thought process, if you will. Okay, so I wasn't hyped.

I didn't hype myself up. But I took one look at him and I swore up and down in my heart of hearts he was a vampire. No physical reason. And I know a lot of people out there are laughing to themselves that, you know, maybe I really was worked up and there's a possibility, but I just have this deep rooted belief that for whatever reason, he was a vampire of some sort.

Well, I mean, to me, it's not too outlandish, just because that's a lot less crazy than the intoxicated time sliver. I mean, this dude was so drunk. I swear, he's so drunk. And he just like.

There's just no way he could appear like two young girls that can run, you know? Yeah, right. Took a shortcut and we're across the street, and then all of a sudden, this dude is like, right behind us, and it's like, seriously, you couldn't even walk four steps back there, you know? And so.

Right. Somehow magically disappeared from a not so great hiding spot. Exactly. There was one time, and I didn't think this man was a vampire or anything, but it goes hand in hand with seeing people and not knowing really what you're experiencing.

I was on the bus, public transportation. I was, you know, 18, I think. I was having a rough day. And I was sitting on the bus and I was alone.

And this man who was kind of. He was up two seats and across the aisle from me. And he turns around and he hands me this string of beads. I don't know if I've told this before, but I'm just gonna tell again.

He has me a string of beads. Six beads in total. Three of them are orange, three of them are blue, and they're on this orange cord. And I mean, they're beautiful.

There's this beautiful gold swirled into these beads, you know. And I had this hemp necklace that I had tied, and he'd asked me, oh, did you, you know, make your necklace? I said, yes, sir, I did. And he's like, well, I want you to have these.

I hand me these, and then you can, you know, put them on a necklace. And it was just a small exchange, you know, but there was such this angelic feeling about this man. And just something seems so different. Even his eye is just.

I mean, this type of blue, you know? And the bus stops after he hands me those beads and he gets off the bus. You know, I see him go down the aisle, I see him Walk down the stairs and some other people got off as well. And I'm looking out the window.

I never saw him got off the bus, get off the bus. Not once. Like, nothing. And I.

I've tried to replay it in my head going, okay, was it the angle? Maybe there was other people and I didn't see him, like, trying to rationalize it, you know what I mean? Oh, yeah, it's something difficult. I mean, we did the same thing with our time server, dude.

Right? We were trying to rationalize it because we're trying to figure out, okay, this weird thing that just happened. There has to be a reasonable explanation. Huh?

Well, exactly. You know, and it's so many things like this. See, I don't know, I could say, I like, you can, you can sit there and say, oh, I believe in ghosts or I believe in the paranormal or whatever, but you can take it that step further and go, you know what? I know, I know, and I want to.

I'm just, I'm at that, at the edge of that ledge of saying, you know what? I know. You know, it's. It's hard for me to really trust myself, though, because it's such a non mainstream.

It's not as provable as, hey, look at that, pandas are in China. You know, this is a known fact. Right? And Right.

I mean, they were for a long time. Well, exactly, exactly. But now, now you can, flesh and blood, feel them and see them and all this stuff, and you can't do that yet with a lot of those paranormal things. And.

But we're talking. I've had so many experiences since I was so little, and they continue to happen up to today, you know, and it's just. And that's what, you know, inspires all this too, is because there's just these constant questions of, why would it happen? Why would all these things happen?

Why would there be such an audience? Why would there be so many people in these online groups? I think that one of the most freeing experiences that I had was after I had done an episode with Shannon over running the Fray. Some people commented on the episode and I got some messages.

Okay, we're talking about people from different countries, okay, Sitting there going, you're not alone. I've had the exact same experience. That was like the biggest thing for me. So how can it be fake?

Well, like our shadow. Figures, right? You're gonna bring that up. Oh, my gosh, you know, a couple hundred miles away, different ears.

We both experience the same thing. Neither one of us tells the other first and Then all of a sudden, it starts. The conversation starts. I don't remember how we brought it up, but we had almost the exact same experience.

It was just kind of a voice. And I'm telling you guys, seriously, not just did my sister and I have the same experience living, you know, four hours away, but we're talking. This is not something that we talk about, okay? This was a very difficult situation for us to deal with.

For me, it's caused me a lot of loss of sleep. This isn't something like our children are into the paranormal and stuff, you know, I mean, I've uploaded Instagram pictures of, like, scary stories to tell in the dark, or Ripley's Believe it or not, you know, supernatural, alien, whatever, you know? But I don't share my personal scary stories like that just because it's so real. And I don't want them to think about it and become afraid or anything like that.

But I'm telling you here, we never said anything. Right? And yet one of my daughters said to me, you know, she's like, mommy, I saw something at the end of your bed over in the corner. And I was like, well, what'd you see?

You know? And she described it exactly. We're talking like a shadow being, a cloak figure, like the Nazgul from Lord of the Rings. Okay.

Yes. Oh, my goodness. That's a great description. Right?

Terrifying. Absolutely terrifying. And I cannot tell you the sickness that I felt in the pit of my stomach here in my child. Say this, okay?

And she was only about five years old, okay. And I just wanted to forget it. I just wanted to sit there and go, this is not happening. This is not real.

And then you. You come to me months later, talking about your stepson seeing the same thing in his room. Yeah. And I.

And I. And I tried. I tried to discount what he said because I was like, well, you know, sometimes the light causes shadows to appear and they look like one thing. And he.

Every time I made a reasonable suggestion, he shot me down. With perfect logic. No, there was no light here. It was this, it was that.

I. You know, Exactly. And. And he had almost the exact same experience I did.

And. Oh, it scared him for what, weeks? He wasn't able to go to bed. Yeah.

It upset him for some time. Yeah. See? And that's just.

And so I told him about my experience because I don't want to turn around and tell him, you know. Oh, you're just imagining it. I'm not gonna downplay that when I've had the same experience. That would Be completely immoral of me.

I have to say that I think because. And that is one thing that I've taught my kids, because when I was younger, you go out and you tell your parents, hey, this is what I'm seeing. This is what I'm experiencing. And then you're told that you have either an overactive imagination or, oh, that stuff isn't real.

And I'm telling you, that destroys a kid's confidence and security. I. I felt so confused and I felt so scared and alone that I just. I mean, I had nowhere to turn.

And I. And I just. I don't think that it's right to tell children that stuff like that doesn't exist when it clearly does, you know? Yeah.

So, I mean, especially when it's coming from a parent who they themselves have experienced something. Well, our mother has even experienced psychic, like dreams. She dreamed of fire for a week straight. She had no idea why.

Then she got a call up. A friend's house had burned down. Wow. You know, so she will discount things like that because her own experiences have made her a believer.

Right? Yeah. I don't know that I really know about that story. So maybe, I don't know, because we're always going back and forth wondering why we experience the things that we do.

And we've often wondered if maybe if it isn't something that was handed down through, like, the maternal line or something. And with knowing what you just said now, it would make me lean more towards the fact that that would be the case. And then the other thing too is there are so many tools out there that you can use to help yourself. You know, whether you're burning sage or you're listening to high vibrational music.

And, you know, in the last episode, I kind of talked about that a bit. And at the end I said the Aramaic prayer that I usually use when I'm doing a house cleansing. So, you know, it makes you feel really good and empowered and safe when you know that you can, you know, treat the situation right, you know, coming back around from childhood experiences back full circle to our worlds and vampires. A friend of mine told me about a werewolf sighting she herself had in Miami, of all places.

Wow. And her and her sister both saw it. They looked out their window and they were in an apartment several stories up. And in one of the yards below where they were, there was what she described as a werewolf.

And his hand was on a clothesline, and he was Holly. And they ran to get their mother. But by the time they brought her back, the werewolf Gone. Oh, man.

And it just seems so fantastical, you know? Right. But I look into it, just a little bit of curiosity, and there are several sightings online of werewolves in Miami. Wow, dude, you know, you wouldn't think about Miami being, you know, but apparently, you know, inside the road and different things.

This is the thing. This is something that really has been spotted by many different people, man. You know, it reminds me of Linda Godfrey, her book Monsters Among Us. And there are some crazy stories, man, of like eyewitness accounts that were reported about people actually seeing physical looking werewolves.

Like there was even one story about this little girl that actually saw a man transform before her eyes. Okay, I don't even know what. I don't even know what I do. Even with all these experiences that we've had, I think that I'd be scarred for life if I saw something like that.

Because I mean, you know, but the weird part about it though, and I mean, I was having a conversation with somebody and they were kind of telling me their impression or intuition about my past lives and stuff, and so it kind of makes sense what I'm about to say compared to what they said. But there's that part of me that's always been drawn to the darkness, you know, that's why I'm a night person. That's why I like vampires and these scary tales, you know. If I saw somebody actually transform, though, as much as I would be terrified, I have to say that I'd be so curious, I'd want to know more.

I want to like, somehow, if you could know that person when they're human, you know, and take that step. Oh my God. I think I do it. I think, I think more than wanting to become one myself, I would like to set up somehow a safe place to watch someone else, you know, come and come to you and says, hey, this is what actually happens to me, you know, and set up a safe place and witness it myself.

But I don't know how you would proof against a werewolf. How do you know what's werewolf proof? You know what, Sharp. You know what's bear proof.

But what is werewolf proof? What is vampire proof? Right? Can turn into myth.

Oh, yeah, huh? Yeah, yeah. I mean, how do you proof against that without dying? Because there has to be some kind of error.

Well, get this too, though. Like, even if they have to remain in their physical form, let's say you shackle this dude up and he is totally like, you think you're good to go, right? And so he transforms or whatever, it doesn't mean that he can't sit there and do some kind of mind trick and get you to unshackle him, you know, or just lay down and be like, all right on your sucker. Especially with the vampires.

With girls you have to worry more about the brute strength, but with vampires, there's a much more psychic issue going on there. Yes. And on that note, how do you know that vampires aren't walking among us, but they're making people forget? Or they're using glamours to live in plain sight and using pop culture and the obsession with their clients, you know, blatantly right in front of us.

That brings me that, that reminds me of something. When you're talking about like invisibility, I think that there's a way. And I'm not talking about invisibility. Like invisibility can come in different forms.

Sure, there's the trying to actually be see through type of thing, but there's this whole mind fog to where you can do something psychically to somebody's mind to where they just don't even register that you exist, rendering you completely visible. I can give you physical evidence of that. Actually, there's a video on YouTube, I forgot the name, but you watch the video and you watch these people are dancing or doing something on stage and then it goes back and it fly out. Tells you.

I bet you didn't even see the monkey walking across the stage. Oh. And you go back and watch it and there's this guy in monkey suit just strolled across the stage. Really?

And most people don't even see him. Because of the way our brains work, the way it processes information, it will often deem certain information as irrelevant. Right. Which is why we can tune out certain sounds.

Oh, man. Oh man. So have you ever, you know, put it, put on an audiobook or some music and go about your business? Could you tell me, could you tell me for sure what the last song was played or what just happened in that audiobook?

No, that's true. You know, man, you know, there's no reason that if, for instance, these vampires were real, that they couldn't find ways, if they on a another level, to completely work within the realms of the physics we know to describe yourself. No, exactly. You know, it's crazy because it has this next layer on it to where the psychic vampire, not only can he tap into your energy and siphon it for his own, but he can make himself invisible to you mind wise too, making him even more powerful.

Man, it's. It's crazy to think about the psychic vampire in this way of having such a mind power to then also be able to have that invisibility to just cause you to not notice him or forget him or whatever, you know. Exactly. And before anybody points out that, oh, that's, you know, ridiculous again, I point to her YouTube video I mentioned.

Think about everyday life if you know how people perceive things. Very easy to pull a little sleight of hand a la David Copperfield. And who's Harry Houdini? Yes, exactly.

Get over on someone without them realizing. It's not hard. You just have to know how a person's mind works. You can very well work within the realm of physics and what we know right now to make that happen.

Right. Which is why I think vampires are much more realistic than werewolves. Even though my heart still lives. That is what I love.

I love. I've always loved myths and lore, you know. No, I agree with reality. There is, there's.

That's my. It's definitely my home as well with the folklore and legends. And if that could be my realistic world, I would never turn back. I would definitely walk down that path and be like, see you guys, I definitely belong over here.

And you know, who's to. Who's to say, man? I mean, sure there's like this realistic side of vampires, but there are so many layers to this world, you know, and again, I'm gonna reference Linda Godfrey's book with there was another story in there talking about how there was these gigantic wolf prints, I believe, and they just vanish. Okay.

This is like snow and there's just. It just goes nowhere. It goes nowhere. Like it just vanishes.

So who's to say that there aren't these portals or ways of traveling between here and whatever lies beyond? I mean, you know, and you have to some brand. That's the point where it can branch off to things like quantum physics or just straight up woo. Or whatever.

Yeah. But the thing is, we are constantly making scientific discoveries. Right. How are we to say beyond a shadow of a doubt that there are not some rules of physics that we haven't discovered yet?

Right. We can breathe air, so we can walk on land, but a fish cannot and has to live in the ocean. So to a fish, the land, you know, is unattainable. Even if it had human intelligence, it's unattainable.

That's true. Yeah. You know, so it would be beyond a fish's capabilities. Right.

But it's perfectly natural to us. Yeah, yeah. It would have to figure out a way to. What does it adapt or change, which Right.

And so who's to say, though, that we can't also figure out a way to morph, change, whatever, to where we can see beyond a fish? That I can guarantee probably most of your listeners have had one in their lifetime. Or maybe I've had one. Ma'.

Am. I said almost every listening is capable of breathing air for a limited amount of time. In fact, I had one that jumped out of his bowl, and I thought he was dead. He felt dry, but I kicked him off and he started thrashing around, freaking me out.

But I managed to get him back into the bowl. But Kenny of a size would have died. Right. So following into that same ideal, that or idea that I was constructing, the fish has found a way to, in a way, transcend that limitation, if, albeit in a limited facility, faculty facility, whatever the word is I'm looking for, in a limited way, he's able to transcend, you know, his own rules.

Right. Man, that'd be cool. We need to know how to do that. How humorous is that in us to think that we're not just fish in a different pond?

Right? Man, so many. So many thoughts, so many what ifs and so many possibilities. Oh, my gosh.

Yeah. I think those higher thoughts need to be left for another episode. Yeah. And probably with more learned people than I.

Yeah, I need to brush up on my stuff too. And. And. And keep walking down this path and.

And discovering more and. And yeah, we'll definitely keep adventuring, so. As we all should. Yes, that's for sure.

Well, I think it's about that time, and I can't thank you enough for coming on. It has been absolutely fantastic. This has definitely been very fun episode for me to do, so thank you so much. Oh, absolutely no one here anytime.

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