‘Victory’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan

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Who I love? Victory. Now is the time for heroes, rated PG. All right, Chris Ryan is here with episode 199 of the rewatchables victory.

Really called escape, escape to victory. I like escape to victory better. I don't know why they changed it to victory. I think there was some sort of trademark thing, but this is one of the great sports movies of my life.

It is a movie that turned 40 years old last week, which is why we're doing it. I think it has the best extended sports movie sequence of all time. It's like 25 minutes long. I will defend it to the death.

The rest of the movie is isn't a little long, but still rewatchable. There's a lot of holes, but I'm gonna start here, Chris Ryan. I think you could argue this was the greatest sports movie premise of all time. I would argue that this might be the greatest premise of any movie of all time.

Greatest movie premise of all time, okay. Bill, there are two things I'm really passionate about. The beautiful game, soccer, and escaping from World War II POW camps. And some genius was like, let's put these two things together.

It's such an unassailable premise. I cannot believe, you would have thought like all the movies that we loved over the years, and they remake some of them, and it always hurts my feelings. Like Adam Sandler, God bless them, but when he did the longest yard, I was so upset. To me, that movie is sacred.

I still think it's really good. And it's like, how dare you? Victory is a movie that you would have thought somebody would have remade by now. And maybe even with a different sport, like you do with basketball.

Different sport, we find a different war. We can figure something out. Like there's so many different permutations. It's so good that when you're rewatching this and you're just like, wow, how did they just all look at it around each other and go, wow, this is so brilliant.

Let's all just shake hands. So the premise, if you haven't seen the movie, and if you haven't, I don't know what to tell you, you really miss it out. You should watch it. But I don't also don't know why you would be listening to this.

If you haven't listened to it, we'll go through it anyway. The premise is they're in a POW camp. The Nazis are evil. And somebody on the Nazi side decides, what if we had a soccer game?

He's just like, you know what? I'm kind of bored. It's 1943 or whatever, 1944. Let's just kind of like, let's mix it up a little.

Yeah, let's have a real game. We'll have a crowd. Then it kind of, it's snowballs a little. Now all of a sudden it's at a bigger stadium in Paris.

Now it's like, oh, well, I know Michael Kane, who's the player manager. We'll get to some of the issues with him later. He's like, you know, I really need some players. Gotta go get me some good ones.

And it turns into this All-Star team. And there's three things going on here, big picture. One is Stallone. This is catching Stallone right as he's about to go on his incredible run, because he's got Rocky III in the following year.

And then we're off. That first blood, following year, same thing, 1982. We got Rocky IV, we have first blood part two, Rambo. Cobra, it's just all happening for Stallone.

All culminating with Tango and Cash. Yeah, this is, it's not all happening at first Stallone. You could argue, I'll just spoiler alert, he did not win this movie. There's a lot of questions of whether this movie is better without him.

But so we have the Stallone piece. We have the just great premise, old school, widescreen, John Houston directing. Just all that, all that stuff. And then we have the soccer.

And you love this stuff, you're a historian. There's some good soccer players in this movie. Like, there's no, there's no Georgia or Chanelia. But we do have Pele, the most important soccer player, probably about time.

We have Bobby Moore. Top three, Bobby Moore, Captain of the England National Team when they won the World Cup in 66. Aussie Ardilla is a Spurs legend, and just like an incredible showman. I think they.

We're not off. Yeah, I wanted to kind of start here. Should we make a rule that any sports movie needs to have at least 50% of its sport playing cast actual athletes? Yeah, I mean, didn't, some movies have obeyed that, right?

Blue chips. Blue chips took that very seriously. Yeah, and like, I think that. Wetman can't jump the nut.

Well, this kind of goes back to the beginning of when we started doing this podcast, and it was the sports movie Hall of Fame, really. Like, we were talking about, you know, is it easier to teach actors to play sports than it is to get athletes to learn how to act? And I think that you could argue that there's probably, you could have had Jack Nicholson and Marlon Brando in this movie, and I still think it would have had a lot of problems. You know, in terms of it's some of the logical conclusions that it makes.

But I don't think that this movie is anything close to what it is if Pele and Ardilla's and Moore aren't in it. If that last half hour isn't like a really compelling sporting event on screen. And this is why this movie became, this is one of the first re-watchables for me. This was on HBO for like three straight years from, I don't know, 1982 to 1984.

And it's one of those movies where it's like, oh, there's 40, oh, they're gonna break the goalie's arm. All right, I'm sticking with this. We're 10 minutes away from the game. I'll just, I'll deal with the goalie, broken arm.

Let's just get to the game. And the actual game, to me, was like my favorite soccer or anything forever. Like really until probably, what was the World Cup when we had 94? Yeah, when it was here, the, yeah.

When we finally started to have some of our own moments for this country and then the 99 women happened on that stuff. But for me, like I just victory in the cosmos were my two entries to soccer. And I see our d-lays with the, just lighten it up for the, basically the second goal. He's just single-handedly goes LeBron on the whole Nazi team.

And he does what Pele says he's gonna do, yeah. The ally, I don't want to step on the re-watchable sync because I'm happy to do it again. But their first goal, I think is the best, it's my favorite 40 seconds, I think of any sports movie. The way the music builds, Stallone gets kicked in the head.

We go, there's a counter attack. The way it's filmed, it's filmed by somebody who obviously like really cared about soccer. And it's just, everything about it is realistic that nothing about it seems staged at all. It's perfect, the cross is perfect, the music, crescendo, all the guys jumping in the crowd, it's just perfect.

It's a perfect sports movie scene. So we'll talk about this when we get to research play. I would say that there is, you know, some of the motivations for making this movie, like a lot of these guys were pretty much doing it, either for a paycheck or to hang out with Pele or to do it for whatever reasons. But against all odds, Houston, who's sort of, you know, in the latter stages of his career directing.

I don't know whether maybe this is his AD or his director of photography or whether he's simply just really like the sport because he was a big sportsman. He shoots this soccer match in this incredible hybrid way that's like half like a TV show, like half the way you would have seen it on TV with that sort of center camera panning up and down the field while the balls in play with some really good closeup work. And they know when, you know, Michael Caine cannot be shown with a ball at his feet. He can walk around and talk and say bloody, but he cannot play sports, right?

At what point he says, I'm gonna move to forward. And he's like, you are, you're 230 pounds. I've re-watched the game part of this, like eight times in the last two weeks. He is not on the field.

Yeah, he points a couple times. There's a couple of him jogging. But there's a couple of shots overhead where you're like, wait, what number is he? Because like, is he like the body double work that they must have had to do is just amazing?

It's really smart, but they also need Michael Caine. He's really good in this movie. They just had to figure out a way to cheat it so he wasn't there. So a couple of things.

I'm gonna take everybody back to 1981. Paley was a God. I knew nothing about soccer as a little kid. Then the NASL starts in the late 70s.

And we had the team in. Shep Messing was the goalie. Got into that a little bit. My dad took me to a game.

And then summer 1980, after my parents got, in Connecticut for the summer, the cosmos were on. And Paley was retired by then. I remember watching the Paley wide world of sports when his retirement game, which was like treated like Ali. But that cosmos team was like an all-star team.

They ended up being a great documentary about them that I would encourage people to watch. What was that one called? I can't remember. But my point is the cosmos were a thing.

And Paley was a thing. Even though he was way more famous around the world. He did matter in America, a country that didn't really totally care about soccer. And the fact that he was in this movie was the smartest move they made.

It gave the movie a credibility that I just don't think there's one other person on the planet could have pulled off. Oh, no way. I mean, with the exception of Maradana, maybe, or something like that. But like they basically...

Maradana wasn't old enough yet though. No, I mean, he was kind of, yeah, in 1981, it had to be Paley. I don't know who else it would have been. The thing that you're touching on though, is that in that era, which is a little bit before my soccer watching time, or quite a bit, but my dad was English.

And so I grew up with it being part of like my childhood in some ways I played. But for the most part, until Fox Soccer Channel came on, you couldn't really watch Soccer when it wasn't World Cup. And so you would hear about things happening, or you would hear about big players, or you would hear about Manchester United, or something like that. But for the most part, it was all myth.

Like it was all just like, you would just read about it, or every once in a while, you would get to see a highlight, or something like you said on Why World of Sports. So the big big players in soccer, at least for an American audience, were kind of like, they might as well be like Obi-Wan Kenobi. Like you didn't really see these guys actually get a chance to play their sports, but because you didn't get that firsthand experience, a lot of the mythology around them became almost bigger than life, you know? And it's like when you watch Paley in Escape to Victory, I know it seems corny, but you're just kind of like, for some people that might be the longest extended footage of Paley that they get to see.

100%. The first 35 years of my life, where people telling me soccer was gonna take off. And it started in the late 70s, and it was like, soccer's taken off. When we go to a team man game, and there's like 10 people there, the cosmos, they loaded that team.

And that was an amazing team. That was a team that probably could have played against teams around the world. They weren't smart enough to figure out really how to do that back then. But by the early 80s, soccer was started, they'd expect, the NASL was a classic, everything not to do when you're a fledgling freshman league.

They expanded way too fast, they just did everything wrong. And then other leagues would then repeat all their mistakes. But by the time this movie came out, it felt like soccer was failing in America again. You had all these kids playing.

Then this movie comes out, it didn't even really do that well. It was, they didn't make a ton of movies back then, but this movie was 63rd in 1981. Made $10 million. Yeah.

And they probably, how many movies did they make? They made 112 movies total in 1981. But this, I'm telling you this was a thing with the kids. And I remember I went to a birthday party, my friend Reese, and they got a copy of Victory.

This was after it had come out. We'd all seen it. And it was like one of the first, I don't know if it was a laser disc or VHS or whatever it was, or how they even got it. But we all watched Victory.

It was like, it was amazing. So this movie goes to HBO, and it's just on for three years. And that's when, it took on its rewatchable thing. What's interesting about it though, is the square TV is the way it was shot.

It actually wasn't great. Yeah. It was a lot of like real fast cameras and even like the penalty kick. I never even realized till I got the DVD, whatever year that was, that you see Warner Roth sink to the ground.

Cause when they had to do the camera move, Slice saves the penalty kick, and the camera has to hone in on Slack. Cause they're never in the show, Warner Roth. But Warner Roth, like there's this great sink with like, oh my God. Cause I'm five foot Italian guy.

I just saved my cake. My penalty kick is even worse. It was worse than saving it. But it's, so this movie's had a 40 year rewatch and recently it was on NBC Sports Network.

Cause I think some game got canceled. And it was like, I'm, my buddy Gus and I, who have been friends for almost four decades. And this is one of our movies that we've joked about, watched a million times. Like just texting them.

Like victory's on. Let's go. I already own it on DVD. I already own it on Apple.

I own it streaming in DVD. I'm like, oh victory's on. You just have to watch it. Yeah.

There's something about this movie that also when it's on, you might get lucky and miss some of the more boring parts. Like you might miss Patches Sojourn to Paris. Oh my God. That's a long 13 minutes.

So yeah, that might be a time where you're going to make a peanut butter sandwich and then come back and time for the match. But yeah, it's, it's definitely, it reminds me so much of, you know, cause Houston obviously has this long story career in Hollywood, directed the Maltese Falcon. But this movie is way closer to the Great Escape than it is an 80s movie, right? Like it's definitely, the bones of this movie are very like.

1965. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And that's fine with me because Great Escape is one of my favorite movies that I can rewatch that movie like any day of the week.

And you know, pick and choose the scenes I want to stay around for. But yeah, I mean, like if you play, I think that World War II prisoners is one of the most durable film setups like in maybe Hollywood history, at least in terms of like the dirty dozen Great Escape to Victory. I'll even go as far as Hearts War. I'll go up to Bruce Willis and Carl and Farrell like into the 90s.

Saving private, Ryan. Yeah. It keeps going and going. You're right.

Yeah. Yeah, it's like they're, it's like there's something wrong with the house. It's just like, it's going to work. And the further and further we get away from World War II and the fact that really they're probably no Nazis even alive anymore, maybe like a couple that's it.

It's, we've lost some of the Nazis being the greatest movie villains we've ever had. We cover this at the Raiders of the Lost Ark Pot. We'll just never do better than the Nazis. It's everything about it.

It's just a win. And then this movie, they're handled perfectly. Like you have the swastikas are everywhere. They fix the game.

They're fucking dirty as soccer players. They're shooting prisoners. They're bringing it all to the table. You mentioned John Houston.

74 years old when he made this. So it was a little, little distance from the Maltese Falcon, Sir Madre Key Largo, Asphalt Jungle, African Queen. When you make Fat City, because Fat City I think in some ways is like one of his life. Yeah, that was early 70s I think.

Okay. So then after this he did Annie, which is just bizarre. Under the volcano, Pritsey's honor and the dead. And he's done.

So this is the fifth to last movie he made. It's unclear. I researched this. There's conflicting reports on whether he would, he loved this movie or not.

It doesn't sound like he did. I think that, I think everybody, one of the disturbing legacies of this movie for me now that we have the internet and more research is pretty much everybody seems like they were out on Stallone. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, it's a tough one for me. Yeah, it's a tough one for me. It sounds like he had a tough couple opening weeks of training camp, maybe not like Cole Beasley tough, but just like he showed up and he was like, fuck soccer and fuck, hanging out with you guys. I'm going to London and Paris every weekend.

Yeah. And I don't really need to learn how to play goal. And I think. But then Paley broke his finger and he was like, I guess I better take this seriously.

Yeah. There was definitely halves and halves not. So we had for the pro footballers, Bobby Moore. Yeah.

We could give us the 10 second bio of each one, Bobby Moore. I mean, to the extent that I can't. So Bobby Moore is like a hugely, hugely famous person in England because he led England to their Seoul World Cup victory over Germany in 1966, which is incidentally when my parents met. That's not, nothing.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Aussie R.D. Liz. Yeah. Big, big Spurs player was just sort of like one of the master showmen and stylists in football.

Yeah. He translates the best because some of these guys who are the great players really look like they belong to the 60s and 70s version of great soccer players. Right. It looks like you could have time-achined them and put them on like Barcelona.

Oh, yeah. I mean, I was going to say that one of the things that this movie does pretty well is it splits the difference between making the football seem pretty good, while also having them play somewhat like the way they would have been playing in the 40s because in between the 40s and 80s when they make this movie is basically two or three revolutions in the sport. Yeah. When soccer starts, it's like one village against another kicking a pumpkin and it doesn't really have a lot of shape.

But like, they get to the point where there's all this tactical stuff happening and even they do the chalkboard where Michael Caine's like, you're going to go up here and then you're going to cross it. Don't dribble it. Cross it. And then Pele is like, I got, I fucking got this.

Yeah. But yeah, I think that Aussie R.D. was like the bridge guy. He and Pele are the dudes when you watch them.

You're like, oh, that's, that's Neymar. That's Messi, whereas like everybody else is kind of like kick and rush. They're like kicking the ball, a lot of hard tackling, a lot of like breakers. Yeah.

Cause if you were doing this as a basketball movie set in 1943, you're not having alley oops. Right. You're not having three point shots here. It's set shots in a lot of movement and somebody clog in the middle.

So it's funny that our delays becomes kind of the, the bridge as you said. So, um, all right. So you have him. Cas, Casamiers.

Deanna. Now we're starting to get into a little bit of a big rape. All right. He's a great Polish player apparently.

Yeah. Paul von Hymst. Was he on Ajax? Was he the Dutch guy?

I think he was a big Dutch guy. Yeah. Um, meat and potatoes, English players, like they had a bunch of dudes who played for Ipswich play. I was going to ask you about that.

I did a big Ipswich town deep dive. Yeah. Which town had a nice little run there in the 70s. Yeah.

And now they're like level three. It's crazy. Cause like, uh, in, you know, obviously in English football, there's promotion and relegation. So in, you know, the 70s, you had like nodding in forest was the best team in Europe for two years.

And now they're barely in the second division. Yeah. Wernher Roth. Um, he was.

Yeah. Short and run. He's, he's the, uh, he's the guy who kicks the last pounder kick for the Germans, but he was on the cosmos. So the two guys I knew in this movie, when I saw it were Pele and Wernher Roth, and then Pele was, you know, it was like Ali Pele, that was basically the one two punch for, um, for the 70s.

So did you ever get to see him playing world cups at all? Like when you were growing up or was that just, that was before your time? That was all wide rubber sports. Yeah.

I don't even, did they even televised the World Cup in America? I have no idea. I don't ever remember watching it. But I remember all the wide world sports stuff and then they would show cosmos games because they kind of, they got behind Pele in the mid 70s because they needed, you know, they were looking for an Ali replacement.

It was a big deal when he came to America. I mean, sure. Yeah. This is a nice little run for him in the early, he had a nice little early 80s run dressed to kill.

Uh huh. De Palma. Big movie. Controversial.

Yeah. Has this he's the hand, which is one of my favorite just bonkers horror movies. I don't know where you stand on the hand written by Oliver Stone. I don't think I've seen the hand loses his hand in a car accident and then starts having nightmares about it and the hand starts going around and killing people.

No. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yes.

Then he's in death trap a year after victory. That trap was a big deal because he's in with Christopher Reeve and then they, they, they, there's a big reveal in that movie that was a huge deal in the 80s, but then it's off for Michael Caney. He ends up wins two Oscars. So I mean, a couple of times has a whole run, but victory I feel like was, uh, was part of that run.

Which was Jaws is the end is in three. Yeah. We don't talk about. We don't talk about Jaws three.

That's the one on the island, right? Jaws two we talk about. Yeah. Jaws two was now like incredibly underrated.

Jaws three, we don't acknowledge. Um, 10 million dollar budget made, uh, 27 million dot, uh, 10 million dollar budget made 27 million dollars, ultimately because it did well internationally. You know, um, there's this great sports movie run here, which starts with the longest yard. Ironically, we've, we've discussed it in the past because you get the bad news bears, you get rocky, start getting some sequels.

You have all the great weird basketball movies from the late 70s, fast break, one on one, fish that say Pittsburgh, you start getting like the quirky indie movies, like, uh, like inside moves, which you refuse to watch, even though I've asked you five times, um, you have all those, you're breaking away. Yeah. Um, it's like 77. Right?

Slash out. You got every sport kind of gets their movie. And soccer was the last one basically standing that didn't get one wrestling got one. All the marbles with Peter Fox happened.

Um, we haven't done. Slap shot. Save it. So, you know, we wanted, we're gonna get to 500.

It could be next year. I hope so. I think it's the 45th anniversary next year. It could happen.

I mean, greatest soccer move all the time. And that's the thing with victory. It's the greatest soccer movie of all time. It's not close.

Um, there's been some okay ones since I, bend it like Beckham to me is the most overrated one cause they just, they did the classic thing where they cast the actor instead of the athlete and the girl who's the lead is just not a soccer player and they have to do like these cray, it's like the Michael Caine situation get, um, the damn United was great. Yeah. I like that. I mean, I like that's probably my favorite one of the last.

Well, what other ones do we have? And it's coming out later this year called next goal wins, which is type of YTDs movie with, uh, Michael Fassbender, um, which is supposed to be like, it'll be a lot of fun, but it's, it's definitely, there are a lot of movies where it's like, it only came out in England, you know, and like some British people like it, but it's just soccer movies tend to not make a big impact over here. I mean, obviously it's just still a, it's probably still like the fourth or fifth most popular sport in the States. So you don't see a lot of them.

There's like, you know, what's the ladybugs is that the, they make soccer movies, but they don't make, they don't make like the adult ones. They make kicking and screaming and they will fail movie, but there's just not a lot of like, Oh, here's, here's a movie about like the Manchester United team and the 50s or something like that. Yeah. And they always, they throw in soccer.

One of my obsessions is bad soccer in like TV movies or TV shows or even movies where it's like, there's some horror movie and it's like the dad's got to go to his kid's soccer game and they'll have just like this chaotic soccer game and they'll do closeups of the kid who obviously can't play and then there'll be some breakaway where the other kids are just standing around. You see those all the time. That would be a great Twitter account. Just like horrible soccer and actually horrible soccer that was actually filmed it.

This one of the reasons I love victory is the soccer actually made me like soccer more. Yeah. Where can I find more of this? I love this.

Did you ever show the soccer match to Zoe? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

I bought this. I bought this movie on streaming so we could watch it on an airplane, download it on an apple. We're flying somewhere and I made her watch it when she was getting into soccer now six and I'd forgotten how slow the first hour and a half was just like, just wait, just wait, just wait till they get there. That is the thing with this movie is that there are some revolves where we're like, yeah, the last 20 minutes is a little stupid or there's that slow part.

This is like actually a pretty slow 90 minutes until the soccer match. Can we bring and produce a Craig for one second? Yeah. I'm really worried about this one for you because, you know, you're in the TikTok generation.

That's right. I was just worried that you were going to quit in the first 90 minutes, but you actually like this movie. I just skipped 90 minutes. You read online, that's what to do.

Was it too slow for you though? No, I mean, you kind of warned me. So I was into it. You know, I knew it was going to end really well.

So it's always better to buy in than the end pays off. Okay. All right. That makes me feel better.

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But we'll do it. We'll throw in a couple from the first 90 minutes. I like the first Colby von Steiner scene. Yeah.

The very first one where they talk to each other or the first negotiation that they do. I like the first one, but I also like the second one. So maybe we team those up. But I like when he's watching the soccer and there's a little cat mouse going on and...

Can I have my ball back? General... Right. The hat chest to come in.

But they're trying to establish this good Nazi theme, which we'll get into in a second. And then he does the... Kane's like, I need more players and he's like, we'll make a list, Captain. I'll see what I can do.

No, the negotiation. So when they first... He's like, what if we had a friendly? Like, what if we could do...

We could like settle the war with a match like a soccer match and what if we could show people like we have we're all humans and Kane's just like, absolutely not. What sort of team? Are they any good? I have a chosen team.

It's just an idea. It's not an order. You can't make us go. It's a challenge.

Nah. Be a washer. Please, washer. Why?

Look at him. Look at him. Right. Yeah.

You're murdering millions of people. I don't think... No, he's not even like that. He's not objecting to it on moral grounds.

He's just like, I don't have like, they don't have enough like boots. Yeah. Kobe is always like, forget like the treatment of all of their prisoners, what's most important is that like, the soccer players get beer. Yeah.

Get us resources, keep everybody else in cages. Yeah. We want cool shirts, but everybody else can be. Yeah.

Where are jerseys? I told you large, not medium. I like it short but that first big training sequence leading tobert like grabbing the chalk. Which means that I like getting this.

Kobe. After you give me ball here, I do this this this this this. Go. Easy.

which is I just anytime Paylay gets to cook in this movie I'm all in I just love it so much. Paylay being from Trinidad and it's just like oh my gosh yeah I wonder I had to do it that way because of the war that couldn't have said he was from Brazil it would have made no sense why he was in a POW camp but even though Sylvester Stallone is like yeah I'm in the Canadian Air Force. Right right the I don't have another rewatchable scene until we get to the last 30 minutes and then I have five so five of my eight come in the last 30 minutes the we mentioned earlier Paylay gets it's the game starting to get chippy and it's like all right please don't anything happen to Paylay right and Paylay just gets demolished I'm gonna assume like four broken ribs I think a bunch of broken ribs and possibly a dislocated shoulder but he's basically holding his ribs together for this for when he comes back on yeah so then Michael Keynes is like all right we're gonna we're gonna go we're gonna go down the guy. Paylay starts walking off they're playing the music and he does the turnaround on the to look in the field and it's like it's like oh man they hurt Paylay yeah and then that leads to across Stallone gets kicked in the face it's all blurry and the counter attack which I I think that minute is I would put that up against any minute in a sports movie it's so good yes every piece of it is just lights out so that's gonna end up being my pick.

I like when they go in the tunnel the famous scene this might be my pick actually I haven't decided they go under actually what do we get down here you guys have no chance yeah and then one guy that the guy this guy I can't remember it's like Alan Brazil or somebody it's like this guy I was like we can win this yeah we can win this we're down we're down we're down a guy we're down three goals we got this and Michael Keynesic what do you mean who said that and and Hatch is ready to go and then Paylay comes in Craig just play the Paylay speech. That means a lot to us you know that you must go back. Quick away. Come on.

Hard. If you'll run now we lose more than a game. Please act. Please act.

That gave me a lot to us. You know that we must go back. I wanted to ask you about this. Well no I'll see this question for later.

I'll see this question for later. Alright next we watch we'll see the next two allies goals in a row. Amazing. Our d-less and then the third goal in the crowd and Stallone's just jumping up and down.

It's actually really good. It really seems like they were playing the actual game. Okay and this is these guys are down to 10 men which usually is like I think that there are some examples in football I mean like in shaping like there's always these big comebacks now like and there have been some examples where you know a short handed team a guy a team that's down to 10 men like enter against Barcelona back a bunch of years ago I think enter was down 10 men but still held Barcelona to a draw or something like that nobody who has 10 men scores for on answer three unanswered goals like that never ever ever. It was four.

It was four. And then five except this allowed one. They went five straight. They went to VAR the German VAR.

Unbelievable. Alright so those two were awesome. And then the paylay bicycle kick. Paylay comes back in.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Holding his ribs together in his body.

Not sure if FIFA allows you to take 60 minutes off the game like I think at a certain point it's either like bring a guy on or not but I think that there's a rule against like my guy twisted his ankle he's just gonna go hang out on the sidelines for the next 45 minutes. I think they also have rules about just hauling off and punching somebody in the in the ribs over again when they have the ball. Yeah. There's some rules are violated.

Sets up the cross and the bicycle kick and then the good Nazi he just appreciates good soccer. He had to stand up. He said you know what let's put the war. Let's put all the genocide behind us.

Great bicycle kick stands up. He definitely murdered right after the game. And then and then the penalty stop and the escape at the end which was. I'd love to know who thought of that idea.

It's like so hatch will stop it. They'll win the game and then what happens and they're like well then they'll escape in their shower. No, no. What if everyone charges the field?

Yeah. And they put their clothes on the guys and everyone escapes and they say yeah right that down. I love it. I also love that like it's like the assumption is that the Germans would just be be fuddled and that they wouldn't just start shooting everybody.

Yeah. I didn't know whether that was nitpicks or probably an answerable questions but I just feel like they're opening fire on these people there's at least there's at least 500 people who aren't escaping. All right. So my most rewatchable scene.

I love Pele getting hurt through the first allies goal is my favorite minute of the movie. What do you have? Yeah. I'm going to go with that.

I think they are delays goal is my favorite goal in the in the movie but I think that whole segment when they start to come back and then it culminates for me with Michael Caine walking back into the locker room at halftime and the one guy has like a compound fracture in his leg and Pele can't fucking breathe. He's got a glass lung and Michael is like wait it's going to go with that phone one but we got one. That guy's like thumbs up legs and seven places like Alex Smith like all right. That was today's most rewatchable scene presented by Bloomin once in a blue moon moment should happen more than once in a blue moon make movie watching more fun this summer hit a drive in movie theater sells beer maybe just enjoy doing a movie night in your backyard blue moon full flavored with refreshing notes on like any of the beer break up your routine bring some brightness to your life celebrate responsibly blue moon brewing company golden colorado ale all right what's age the best the music go county the music I think this might be number one for me for sports movie music over rocky yeah I think so I think it is because it's got a couple different ones it's got the Pele just got her the kind of dire it's got the the allies are making around da da da da da da da da da da da da da da it's got the celebration music it's just it's like I like the evil music where it's like da da da da da da da da da da da da dah great stuff I think it's number one um speaking of music when that right before the penalty kick when they sing I think it's a French national anthem right what are they saying what is the crowd saying I was you know what I was actually confused about that let me see if I can figure that out I don't know if it's a pretty sure it's the French national anthem and they sing the whole song and it's fucking awesome and they got the whole arena of extras to do it and it's like just goosebumps it's really good I love that part the singing in the soccer stadium stuff is incredible yeah like in general like you get when you when you get a chance to if you ever get a chance to go to a game over there it's just amazing I've watched this movie so many times but I don't understand the language but I still sing along with it I just love it the crooked referee yeah just knew you know you knew he was in the bag I'd like movies with crooked referees I mean if you're gonna referee a game for Nazis you're probably not you know you're probably not gonna call it as you see it you're gonna call it as they see it he swings three goals the allies play down a guy for I don't know 70 minutes and they still pull off a tie incredible stuff the widescreen is age the best really important for this movie the widescreen the HD this movie we say this so many times with different movies and the rewatchable but this is a top five thank god for HD and widescreen it just completely reinvented this movie in so many different ways this is a little under the radar and I'm not even positive you noticed this but the team called themselves prisoner fc did I see that it was on the chalkboard yeah oh I love that I noticed it like the 57th screening but yeah there it says prisoner fc I was like just where are the jerseys where the prisoner fc jerseys I would fucking wear those they should have the allies jerseys prisoners fc somebody should be on that so we should make it um pallets scissor kick move on sly and practice amazing amazing the goal that pallets scores at the end of the match is he does a full bicycle kick but other than that it's very close to the gold is the dawn scored and the champions league against buyer lever keys and where it was like up in the air and they fucking just drilled it with a scissor kick it was just I wish I wish like I it's just it's just an amazing moment more with stage the best POW camps you you hit it earlier always always a killer premise for whatever action movie just the concept of we got to get out of here yeah but the best part is always if you have that band of prisoner that's like the british officers who have like completely domesticated the prisoner camp and are walking around wearing like cool sweaters and smoking pipes and gardening those guys are the best you got to have them in the prisoner camp 100,000 well Colonel Waldron oh yeah the closing credits with all the players yeah I always used to watch in the 80s when this was on HBO and I would always like to see the guys and they would have they say each guy's name with their country so it's like Sylvester Stallone United States it was great but learning where all these guys were there was no internet so it's like all I knew about these guys were yeah you just write their names down and look for yeah that's it yeah all right I guess that's who that was and then the what's the final which is mentioned earlier but the whole concept of the good Nazi that they pulled this off yeah that these Nazis these despicable people he's a recurring character he shows up like in great escape there's like the nice nicer Nazi you know like they're there's like a trope of like having a Nazi who like and he's necessary for the drama because you have to have somebody communicating to those guys yeah sort of blindly helping them but yeah he really just loves soccer he just what he just loves the game more than this war we're fighting more more than all these awful beliefs we have soccer is the thing that he writes us together and he's really like genuinely disappointed by the officiating but then as the game kicks in in the second half it was what he wanted what he really wanted was an escape from the horrors of the war and the side that he was on which he realized was reprehensible and this game allowed him to escape for two hours well if you're that guy how come you're not managing how come you're not like on the field I call in the shots that's what I don't understand yeah or resign come on sign or just leave just try to escape with them yeah become like a manager on the German team the announcer is really good too I think he's awesome the goal has been disallowed listen to the crowd and he turns the radio on that guy's really good what else do you have for one stage of this beating nazis at anything like I love when there's an opportunity whether it's still like steel archaeological finds back from nazis steel great art back from nazis just anything that involves like kind of like taking it to the nazis on like marathon man yeah exactly like in the diamonds back absolutely so beating the nazis but my one stage of this is conti score well I forgot to mention with Stallone Stallone does the rare and within the span of five years ends the cold war and beats the nazis in two different sports movies which is really like I don't nobody's talking that the two biggest villains we've ever had we're all just looking up to Stallone on the sports movie uh Pantan I'm with you though I think Conte score and uh our delis is goal still I mean all the time just because that feels so 2021 all those moves does not feel like they would have happened in 1943 right uh Paylay too is aged the best just because you know it's not like people are sitting around watching World Cup highlights of Paylay you can go on youtube and watch and there's there was a movie about him that was okay documentary about him that was okay victory is kind of the paylay legacy it was the thing that you know the bicycle kick the whole thing uh would say just the worst he's making a paylay the ball patch thing he's got going on his head I don't understand what was going on with that like and you saw it a couple times it almost looks like a toupee uh-huh you're not the fan this no I didn't know a couple times they rolled over and he it was like this weight ball patch and it was like couldn't they gotten a LeBron spray and just sprayed it on the back so he was expecting what I don't know they never understood that uh more would say to words changing the title from escape to escape right or no to victory to victory just a victory yeah everyone being really impressed by Paylay's juggling well in 1940 whatever it would have been like mind-blowing really yeah yes are we sure yes okay um if switched down yeah kind of peaked right here for it switched down falling on hard times Michael Kane so you don't think the actor not the actor okay the soccer player the athlete who knows he's he does not play soccer in this movie by any means so this is what the internet says he was a decent soccer player but at his age he was having a lot of issues with his legs so they had to get a stunt person get or a stunt soccer player Kevin Beatty to play all the scenes where it looked like Michael Kane's running our d-list did not like it he said they asked him at a soccer skills there's an article recently where they interviewed him and he said quote awful and he couldn't even run 20 yards so tough one then there's a whole like I we'll get to some of the soccer stuff I have another section for him Stallone's goal keep goal-keeping goal-keeping goal-keeping pretty tough pretty tough pretty tough there's I would say that just Stallone's role on the team is pretty fluid like he starts out he's like the hyperactive American who's tackling guys like real football tackling then he's like I want to be the physical trainer of this team and work on guys and like get them in shape which I guess Stallone's in shape but it is a sort of like you know it's like James Woods and any given Sunday you're like is this guy really qualified to be the team's doctor and then they skip over that scene where he talks Michael Kane into it yeah Michael Kane throws his bag out the door he comes back in but yeah Stallone's keeping is tough I guess my question is does it matter for the movie or does it only matter to weirdos like us that's Stallone's bad at goal-keeping not only that he's bad but it's it's just so obvious that they like furiously trained him right before they started filming the movie to at least know how to like do a couple things so here's the counter to that is that they do have another keeper whose arm they break on purpose to get hatched into the game so like I don't think that they are saying that he's good at being a keeper and then that whole run up to the match when he's like Colby where do I stand for the corner where do I stand for the corner is hilarious because he keeps asking him that but the fact that he then gets good enough to hold off the Germans for the second half and then saves saves a penalty kick from probably one of like the 40 best players in the world is highly unlikely highly unlikely yes I think if I had to do this movie over again there's a lot of things that would be differently including another what's aged the worst for me no really good scrimmage scene or practice scene or like just it take away the 13 minutes that we have to spend with Sly when he goes to meet the French lady give me like three minutes where they finally have good equipment and there's a scrimmage scene you have all these soccer players what are you doing such a no brainer or some sort of like hey we got to see let's let's see how we're like there's been more time with some other players on the team like that is the one thing that this movie as World War II movie does poorly is that like the best part of the jury doesn't the great escape is getting to know all the different guys whereas in Escape to Victory you really only get to know Kane and Stallone and then the Colonel it's a mistake the somebody who's in the movie John work he said he repeated the story that it seems like it's a real story that he wanted John Houston to get to have the goalie score the winning goal that's the loaned and John Hark was like you're the goalkeeper you can't do it but they did try to figure out like could there be a corner kick situation where he comes in yeah so unclear if this is true or not but apparently they did try to see if they could film that and he couldn't they can figure it out so then they did the um the penalties and John Hark said um in rehearsals six takes before he could get even near one and then finally got the one that he did maybe that's why he's so excited after he saves it and Pele comes jumping in with his seven broken ribs which I also enjoy that's on what's aged and worst to me is Pele holding his ribs jumping up it's like you're the greatest athlete of all time you got a could they have cut to another uh another look the um the the bicycle kick so apparently they had to do some work with this one as well and this guy named Savelle was the German goalie and he said he basically tried to save it so it would look more realistic but they couldn't get the wide shot of him doing it they had to do the get everything but the actual bicycle kick right um and then oh that is escape it's tough it's a tough subplot to this movie I I like the whole soldier into Paris the whole experience there and like I don't you could literally cut off it I don't know if you need it yeah like you're the only of the team it like they could do the whole thing where they're like we need you to go to Paris to talk to the French resistance to find out if they would be open to getting these guys out they could have just said like yeah the French resistance got in touch with London they're down to get us out of there if possible it's like they wanted to introduce the female because they were worried they didn't have a female character right and then they're like hey you got to get captured he's like all right but we don't even see him get captured the next scene he shows up back it's really bad it's really bad it's really bad I like his escape from the actual camp like when he climbs up out of the showers and stuff yeah I like that too but once he gets to France it's just into France it's sort of stupid I don't know why they did that one other this is age the worst just for me because I wish I never read this because I've been thinking about it for ever since I read it uh Russell Asman who's one of the guys in the movie he's the he's the he's the hey we can win this he's that guy yeah yeah apparently he kept everything so he has the whole ally kit he has the jersey in the shorts he has the boots he has a sign ball and he has a director's chair and my point is put that put that stuff in an internet auction because I'm ready I'm right here I'm taking it all down five for one sale all right we're gonna take a break and then go back and do the rest of the categories casting what ifs I thought I'd find more yeah I was I had a point again yeah Roger Moore considering being John Colby I thought was an interesting one yeah I like I like came better though I mean I mean in general I like Michael Michael came over Roger Moore who is John Colby now for this movie's being made right now who would you want it's got to be like basically they have to be able to play soccer it has to be like a more working man's Colin Firth okay apparently Lloyd Bridges and Clint Eastwood were circling this yeah I mean let's talk about the Clint part what would you say to Clint Eastwood as as Hatch it's just a completely different movie he's way cooler he looks way more like a goalkeeper there's no comic relief at all I don't think he would have been cool with breaking the dumb Irish goalie's arm which and the hate crime against the Irish that that was it's like let's convince the Irish guy it's like why the Irish always have to take a beat here on 25% Irish double Edison um I think Clint would have probably said make him he'll stay as the trainer but he's the backup goalie and that's how they keep him on and then you have the Irish goalie actually break the arm during the game it's such a better way to having like an amazing match until yeah great save and then Bauman kicks his arm and breaks it yeah classic Bauman yeah fuck a Bauman what a dick that's that guy okay the Joey pants the word I don't even know what these guys names are but the two guys who help play in the escape um they're sitting in the crowd I'll do yeah those two dudes the one guy who's got the glasses who he just does this every 10 minutes he puts his hand in his face I don't even know what those guys names are but anytime I've ever seen them and anything else so the only other guy that I had for this was Maurice Roves who's the Scottish officer who's like you know the four or five officers in the prison camp yeah and this guy would go on to get his beating heart cut out by Magua unless last the Mohicans oh that's the winner that's great Magua the Vincent Hannah give me all you gotta word for best over acting or most over acting slice alone yeah it's not a great slide movie the the entire sequence where he's chasing Michael Kane around the camp to be like I don't even want to play on the stick to team you can shove that you're like you got it Colby I don't need you for your football team anymore you got it I don't need a aggravation Colby it's like slide you're this is a paradise alley too you're in a real movie here Chad Houston's the director it's just not great it's not a great look for him the Jen Nelson award for the person who seems like they're a different movie this obviously has to go to the French girlfriend oh my god there's this whole detour where it's like this 1981 Donald Sutherland international romance movie are we in and she's like really mad because every time she helps somebody they disappear but she stays in parry like she and then he's like I'm an orphan I'm you know like nobody loves me so I'm gonna be there for you it's just that Deann waiters the word our nominees is paylay eligible or no oh I think so yeah he's only in a couple of scenes paylay or delays the German announcer played by Anton differing and we're in a rough those are I'm gonna go different okay yeah you're going to different with the first day I don't feel like paylay is eligible I think okay he feels too important in the movie yeah I think the German announcer wins it oh what a shame that the allies had to resort to those tactics fuck you it's a bad call recasting catch I mean we should recut escape to victory but with Gus Johnson and I keep the weave doing the commentary hatch in kiwis in the goal oh he saved it oh bicycle kick recasting couch recasting couch this saves our 13-minute slideshow to France okay we get rid of the actress Carol sorry Carol sorry Carol you're very attractive but um not much else is going on there Jacqueline Bissette coming right in off the top rope so 13-minute Jackie Bissette cameo most beautiful woman in the world now I'm now I'm invested we're in France with Jackie Bissette for 13 minutes now you get mad when the match starts you're like oh my god how could you leave Jacqueline Bissette but that's what you have to do you have to have something where it's like this guy should be um it should be like a question as to whether or not he's gonna go back and play yeah half-assed under research so this was kind of loosely based on this 1962 Hungarian film drama that the English translation is two half times in hell the actual name why is there not another movie called two half times this is gonna be the five hundred three watchable we're gonna do kett foleto apago that was the hungary name for it but uh so it's about this kind of discredited story about a deathmatch where this team defeated German shoulder soldiers in the Ukraine and according to the now discredited part they're all shot right after the game the ultimate loser leaves down match right in the real story is the Ukraine team played a bunch of different German teams and a couple and some friendlies and uh and then um four were killed after but it was way after but but anyway loosely based is the right way to say uh Gordon Banks your guy 1966 English goalie he was uh he was the size alone goaltending coach yeah yeah and somebody named Alan Thatcher was involved as well so they made Pele's uh character from Trinidad because the Brazilians did not join the war until 1943 and this movie is early Germany has just occupied France 1941 so they do it and then Azir de lais who's from Argentina in real life they basically don't say what country is from in the right smart they're like Azir de lais just cook don't worry about what country is this cook um Bill Conte used some of his some of the moving here from uh in the right stuff as well Stallone started training and soccer on weekends off during the filming in Nighthawks what a run yeah you know where I stayed on Nighthawks I love that incredible beard but uh he lost 40 pounds he realized he needed to look like a prisoner of war so he his goal was to look more like an Olympic boxer yeah like so he lost 40 pounds and then put it that's why he looked so great in rocky three because he was skinny from rocky from uh from victory and then rocky three was next so he put he put on some muscle but was still thin so Azir de lais he said he now he was a World Cup winner for Argentina in 1978 did a whole bunch of other stuff really well renowned I would say who's the equivalent of him now Neymar um I would yeah he's probably a little bit more on the level of like uh I don't know he would be like the second tier I think below you know like below Neymar okay notch below Neymar yeah he said this was his greatest ever sporty moment being in this I know he's like he was like I couldn't believe it like there are a lot of the guys who played in this like the athletes who were in this movie were like this is the best summer of my life we forgot to mention Holland's co-prints is also in this movie Stallone decided not to have a body double for the soccer scenes ended up separating her shoulder and breaking her finger and kept it going and then um the stadium which was supposed to be uh in Paris was actually Budapest and MTK Stadium in Hungary that's supposed to be like a cologne stadium in Paris I guess apex mountain Stallone no way paylay no microcane no if switched town I feel like yes I think it's which towns got a couple of trophies but they really they really wrapped in this movie they really say the trophies and then leading right into this and I think it's just a great run for them uh we're in Roth probably not John Houston no soccer no Azir de las I'm still going with the 1978 World Cup Doberman's no Doberman performance in this movie but yeah I think there's some other World War II movies where Doberman's really showed out yeah the Doberman's man fucking frightening every time how about two man sit-ups those are these are really good I don't know if I've seen them maybe apex mountain for old school calisthenics for just like yeah jog it out do a couple squats you know no cardio yeah no question uh good Nazis is there a better good Nazi performance they're pretty there's a couple of pretty nice ones in great escape where they're like why why did you come to fight this war you know like real like I'm coming with me on side out on side oh not apex mountain for him but he's got some a marburg men joints that I think are pretty big I can I go apex mountain for the word bloody mmm michael canes is the word bloody in this movie the way like they say the word fucking wolf of wall street like he's just like bloody boots and he's bloody balls and he's bloody it's just it's great um all right we we're gonna pick some nets this is gonna be the most important part of the podcast but we need a break for this all right we're just in picking nets I've been waiting for this for so long that for some reason my dog Murph just decided to jump into the zoom he wants to he wants to win his greatness this movie I don't know if this movie has an unusual amount of picking nets or I've just seen it so many times you just noticed stuff the more and more times you've seen it but well we'll go in no particular order hatch agrees to get recaptured mm-hmm he's out what does he care about anybody else at that doesn't have a personal relationship with those guys doesn't know how to play the sport and is home free in france done yeah even met a girl is he's out here the way he's set up as a character he should just be gone we go to Switzerland go to Spain do whatever you gotta do not to mention how did the fuck did he escape was it that easy no it's like the whole but I like they do the whole thing with like him waiting by the side of the road and watching like the like the german officers house it's just like interminable yeah it's rough the Irish goalie this might be my number one sports movie nitpick ever it's an Irish goalie and break my arm yeah he's they're gonna go play this game he's been training for it for two months they need him for the game they have no other goalie Michael Kane comes down with the offer hey all of us are gonna escape we're gonna break your arm and you're gonna stay here and which is why I just think this is a movie made what John Houston was the English or American he's American well obviously hates the Irish because he tried to get back to him but the dead because he adapted to the James Joyce story but yeah he just he just I complete this respect for the Irish or it's like the dumb Irish gallet yeah making a clean break skipper it's like are you fucking kidding me so I know you're not breaking my arm the one thing that we're supposed to remember is that in those PRW camps in World War two is that it was the British there's like sworn duty to try to escape all the time and that they did have a somewhat selfless attitude about like the most important thing is to help people escape and it's the the many over the few here that being said couldn't they just be like hey you know Patrick tell them you have a cold or tell them you have like you know whooping cough or something like why do they break his arm tell them you have a torn ACL you can't you can't walk on your leg I don't think that's he's recognized ACL injuries it's just unbelievable and why couldn't they have figured out a way to just get slide a come anyway and then on top of it they let's fly go to the game he's just escaped then he's been captured come back and they're like oh no another goal if you're starting keeper broke his arm I guess we have to send his wrist send this guy who just escaped who clearly was playing something that would have been amazing if on Schneider but like we're getting Dr.

Richard Andrews in for a second opinion on this part yeah making a clean one skipper they escaped a victory too it's just that fucking guy is in his arms like waiting out the war yeah just like oh I heard me tired he's I just it just my god um Stallone's there's some goalkeeping stuff with Stallone that's just unbelievable what what are his slide tackles does any other goalie ever done that in a game so to the movie's credit I think that he is critiqued for coming off his line a lot which is you know the whole thing is the goalie you're supposed to stay on your line until you absolutely have to come off and Kane is always like stay on your bloody line but Stallone is actually standing bloody he's basically playing rugby out there it's pretty bad paylay being from Trinidad it feels like a violation I don't I don't know enough about the Trinidad Brazil how realistic that was but it just seems I don't know it's from like some random country like paylay could have been to yeah we talked about this earlier it's more it's much again they they're down for nothing they're down a guy and they proceed to score the next four goals and then a fifth one that's this allowed and Stallone throws a shutout for the last 75 minutes of the guy even though he's been concussed he's been concussed and doesn't know where to stand on a corner kick and thinks you should slide slide tackle balls in traffic but uh but they sum up on that off Stallone catches the penalty kick how many penalty kicks have been caught that you've seen in the soccer game uh few very few get caught also like at that level it must be right to you those are professional players like the whole point is that these are guys who would have been playing for a Germany had they're not been a war on so that guy is like essentially the equivalent of like Harry Kane kicking a ball at Sylvester Stallone right now it's rough it's great I didn't know any better when I saw it when I was 11 but I'm pretty sure they could have just deflected it right I'm pretty sure he could have done and tipped it with his left hand don't like yeah he's gotta tip it out out of bounds because if it gets if it comes back like the German player could have just tapped it in can we talk a little bit about Stallone's method of trying to get on the team in the beginning of because like it might be horrible his soccer is well no just him running around and and like being like Colby Colby put me on the team put me on the team and then like tackling guys like there's no way that hatch doesn't get private piled in this in this in that camp yeah you're right they think you're right they would have they would have done something to him so yeah private piles to get an algae I like that one because he was gonna fuck the game up for them yeah he said he's such a fly in the way that the entire time another picking it we send all of these aging past their prime players to the game oh no I'm thinking of the US women's team that the Olympics my bad my bad I'm sorry I'm sorry I was thinking the team that had the 39 year old striker and the other striker who hasn't been good for four years and the bunch of midfielders who can't do anything and then we don't score in three of the five games I got my soccer teams confused my bad I'm glad you're buried this take an hour 105 we're not allowed to criticize the women's soccer team ever for any reason but yeah great stuff we should have said an Olympic team of just like Carmelo and Dwight Howard and that should have been our basketball team because it would have married this US team I mean we're the best women's soccer in the world we have we obviously haven't produced any players under 30 except for a crystal done in the last 10 years nobody else under 30 yet yeah who is Rose Lovela's under 30 was she on the team yeah she's going to settle to the other day I'm kidding she could have done a little more outrageous and then the defenders are all 36 35 the fuck you know how many good young soccer players we have what are they doing this is an Avengers movie where it's like we'll bring them back Scarlett Johansson and Robert Downey again look at best players of the team sorry um another to pick I think the Nazis canceled the game after Hatch escapes and I think they kill everyone on the team yeah the the before hatch even is caught they're all dead the idea that they're just like what's important is that this game goes off no matter what it's just like goes against everything we know about Nazis um and then we mentioned the uh the bicycle kick if you don't have seven broken ribs it's one of the hardest things to do in sports though but then kicks it lands it and then they all jump up yeah they still picks them up it's like wait did this guy have seven broken ribs or not I would have loved if when they do the end credits and they're showing all the players and they're like what country he's from they had also done a title card of like what happened to this player after this and it was like each one is that Hernandez like collapsed long die shortly after the match hatch like killed by his own soldiers for being so fucking annoying um the uh the last last they pick you mentioned I just think the soldiers start shooting everybody at the end yeah I think the moment if there's real danger that's it they're just there's just guns coming out and uh the whole concept of the inept Nazi security guard they really take it and run with it on this um next category could this be remade as a 10 episode netflix show I think the you may and producer Craig we all agree yes please yeah I actually think this would be a great idea for a Netflix show yeah but I do think it should be basketball so what world you have to switch sports I think it's sacrilegious to the soccer so are you are you are you saying you would do it during the still doing world war two no we're in world war three no oh cool so like red dawn meets Hoosiers yeah it's red dawn meets Hoosiers what do we just come up with a billion dollar idea here yeah red dawn meet Hoosiers oh my god maverick Carter's caught me fabric stay away from my idea um it's just it's I think basketball and then like LeBron has paylay and it's just it writes itself yeah Russell Westbrook changes teams four last hackman performance yeah his hackman still rap g-hackman is a great pop of it probably an answerable questions how fast did the good not to get murdered after the game do you think just I better get out of the stadium with these guys you think he's just like he's looking around it's like fuck it runs into the crowd he's dead the next day or he's just transferred to the Russian front it's like how the game goes diner what's it quite the propaganda boot I thought it was gonna be yeah so we tied and then everyone escaped ever escaped turns out we had an insurmountable four goal lead going into halftime yeah we with two minutes to go before halftime we were up for nothing up a man and we had crippled ever another team um all right another answerable question Stallone wanted to be the one to score the winning goal the cast and the technicians they all intervene and they say this would be absurd but then he thought it should be like a long punt or something that bounces or some sort of goal kick like the goalie actually kicking it but then in the years since the move is made this has actually happened a couple times in games where the keeper has scored where the keeper has scored yes so the question is would you rather had Stallone save the penalty kick or would you rather had him they're pressing up in the last minute of the game and he gets like a header or some sort of deflection thing or the Germans are pressing because they want to win and slide does this miracle punt that just rolls all the way down and scores we're probably best with the penalty kick but yeah the the slide coming the way they have it is the best slide going up and getting like a header or a tap in is probably the most realistic thing Stallone being able to punt the length of the field and dribble it in behind the why would the German keeper not be there I don't know they had to explain this to Stallone the next time he has a question did the hatch play more goalie after this pick up they're playing pick up he's staying gold he tried their positions no so the hatch goes back to America with his french bride and he tries to popularize soccer and everybody's just like you got to shut the fuck up about soccer hatch please ask you guys they called football over there he said do you think he kept in touch with Fernandez hush it's Fernandez um we're spent the allies with the guys they brought in who were all skeletons or the 2021 bucks so what do you think of the the plot line very funny i'm sorry i didn't mean to stop and you're right what do you think of the eastern europeans thing where it's like we've got these five eastern europeans who can't play but we have to play the match for their sake because otherwise i'll go back to the labor chain camp i liked it i didn't understand it i just took the movie for its word and i liked it i was i was in on it i feel like they could have gotten them enough food and water that they could have gotten at least one of them up to speed right also like huge missed opportunity for one of those guys well they weren't exactly like doing like protein powder like Michael train the first thing he negotiates for is beer fair he's needed to keep his pot belly but they could add one of those guys come in for five minutes yeah i was disappointed that they did take like one corner or something any other any answerable questions for you uh i mean so many like do you think that the hot tub trick works just banging under the bottom of the hot tub and all the waterfalls that pours out like wouldn't that flood the tunnel kind of like yeah it seems like it would have killed the two people yeah um yeah all of my all of my answerable questions are related to hatches escape and hatch you know and hatches whole existence is my last time answerable question is this the number one sports movie event you would have wanted to go to i'm trying to think what else would have needed to happen my answer to this is always Roy Hobbs that isn't like that isn't already real like i would have wanted to go to the miracle on ice but like fiction is important to the event fictional there are a couple of ball games and wild cats i would have mind been but being out wow wow cats yeah my answer to this is always the Roy Hobbs oh yeah thing out hitting the homer and knocking out the lights and the braves make the pennant but that that would be uh that would be my pick um all right this is this is my buddy Gus has just joined us you got to unmute yourself Gus oh that's Chris Ryan hey Gus you don't even know what we're doing i gave you no prep at all you have no idea why you're here yeah we're doing a rewatchables right now we're at the tail end okay please touch you must play you know how much this game links to us um needed you as a tie-breaking vote biggest nitpick in the movie here are the nominees actually you know this movie so well i don't want to let you you have no prep you know what you're doing your biggest nitpick in the movie zero chance the goalie let his arms get broke i'm sorry like can i have a tone hamstring that's what we were saying right can it be someone accidentally doge me in the eye i'll take a fall like why do they have to break his arm and why does he don't agree with it we Gus and i have been talking about this literally since i met Gus which i think was 1982 or almost in the 40th anniversary of that we just never understood it it never since never explained we don't know what he gained from it and the only benefit was that they made it a good break it's a clean break but then they but then they stay so for like the entire second half he's gonna be like wait why did we break my arm i'm like accident that they all escaped and run out the door well he's being like you broke my arm for nothing i think he died he died of alcoholism about two years later oh my god he just was so bitter yeah Gus stay for stay for the ending here um wait because i i'm on a way and you said of the event movie event that you would go to is the Roy Hobbs homer the the fixed fictional sporting event that you would most want to be at over rocky beating dragon in Russia i would have been too scared to be with the russians i would my safety would have been compromised all the way Hobbs is just an organic great fun moment that was my case for that a couple of wise to wear you can't even see him barely rounding the basis i Roy Hobbs limps out he's he's looked at dog shit the whole movie he's bleeding from his side and then he wins the pennant and the lights go out and everyone goes and gets drunk so you wouldn't know but you wouldn't have known that he was bleeding you're not gonna know that you're not gonna know that he was a spot on his side like would you even know that he didn't have Wonder Boy yeah fair fair so you so you would go with rocky four cold war oh god to be in that atmosphere in the night when i win like that's the ultimate interface to everybody in the right i guess the russians turning around and rooting for racking you're like see i told you right billion packers standing up there with a spot on his head you go like in the you go captain dravin you put him in a headlock and run that thing off his head after the gorbit job guy yeah that's the ultimate in your face it's pretty good i think this would have been good though you you get seen amazing soccer game you get to see slash the lone play goal you get to see a bicycle kick and you get to escape at the end with my luck though i would be like the one guy that the Germans would grab they'd be like hey you you can accidentally hit by rifle but and you get to see the french national anthem oh yeah which like in that movie in Casablanca there was ever a connection to two movies that don't belong connected the two most powerful moments in Casablanca and victory is the singing of the french national anthem gets me every time i told chris i've seen this movie so many times that i now sing along even though i don't know any other words but i can kind of fake it i could fake it pretty well it's like uh what's his facing the racial national anthem as the rest of the game dick like book off like a hard idiot holder you know but it sounds right uh two last two categories got state for these yep what piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie i think we're probably all gonna have the same answer but it could be anything in the movie i like some of walter and sweaters pretty good i just i think the the payload jersey the game-worn payload jersey from this movie would be my pick i want the signed cast from cool that's a good idea i wouldn't mind having the radio thing that that makes the crowd noise and i would use that on pods like whenever i made a good point i'd just be like and the crowd goes wild this is a tough one this is another reason i want to bring you out guys you see the only other person who's seen this movie as many times as many who won the movie because i don't think it sliced alone i don't feel like this movie was ultimately a win for sliced alone uh in the way that some of his other movies have been so who's the winner i am going with paylay i'll make the case chris science guesses earlier didn't have a lot of paylay experience as a fan in the 70s just knew about paylay but really it was wide world of sports and that's it couple cosmos games and this became his enduring legacy he nails the bicycle kick he made soccer scene cool soccer really wasn't on um and then it's lived on for 40 years so i feel like he was the winner what do you have guys i'm gonna go with michael kane showing us that he can pretty much act under any circumstances and we'll kind of believe it like as you pointed out i think the last time this was on you and i worked texting but doing a really good job of shooting around his abilities as a soccer player his lack of ability said it's kind of like phillips anymore hop and somehow getting life to our how like michael kane somehow that's a great comparison is a somehow a believable soccer player in this movie and i think this was what this is still early early 80s so people must have seen that and go god that can really do anything let's put him in our movie i've chris i forgot to bring this up we never knew what position he was center half he plays defense and then he moves up for six yeah no he's like i think he's one of the center backs okay yeah but then guys we mentioned he moved up to forward after paylay got hurt he's like i'll play forward it's like i'm gonna take my pot belly up to the striker position don't make me run don't be with the past he's pretty good like he has some gravitas in the first hour of this movie but you can tell by the game that this movie is like the dramatic parts of the like of the movie are being written on the spot because in the tunnel when he's like okay i'll lead you all to like to get out of here and then one guy is like we can win he's like what did you say did you guys want to go back and play it's this one was the third thing uh who do you have for who won the movie chris paylay all right so two paylays and one michael kane and the sleeper the sleeper pick is soccer bill soccer won the movie that's that's pretty true i can't tell what is in our pantheon of movies we've discussed the most this is in the top four but it's probably rocky three rocky four this yeah but after this movie people probably went out and maybe played a little soccer more than they ever would have before kind of like after breaking away people decided they wanted to get on bikes and ride yeah everybody would have started jogging remember yeah and maybe soccer wins the movie that's a good one i like that yeah all right that was good guss thanks for popping on chris chris it was a pleasure as always this rewatchable's podcast was produced by our guy cray coral back and we'll be back next week with the 200th episode see you guys