This is the end my own show All right, welcome back to max out everybody. I'm so excited for the gentleman I've asked to be on the program today I have one of the greatest athletes of the last two decades in any sport He also happens to be one of the greatest golfers of all time and I'm excited to have him on not just because he's a great athlete But because of the things I know about it personally as well, but from an athlete standpoint, which is how you know him He's a World Golf Hall of Fame member already I will you still plan 44 pj to our wins 51 professional wins five majors three masters 700 plus weeks in the top 10 in the world and like I said and that's just part of his resume But the thing that I'm the most impressed about between our mutual friends is the kind of husband he is the kind of father he is friend And also the way that I've watched him treat people even my own children We didn't even know they were my own children at our club from time to time He's a good man, and I'm gonna get a whole bunch of out of his brain today So please welcome Phil Mickelson to the show Phil. Thanks for reading your brother. My pleasure Thanks for having me on it.
I'm glad we had a chance to do this Yeah, I am too man There's so much I want to ask you everyone this show today is to sort of selfish because if I can make a list of people I'd want on you guys always get your guests on Phil has been on my list for a long time because I'm gonna tell you all why the show is called max out for a reason It's about mentally getting yourself to that elite level in life And I think in the golf world there's no more articulate person than this man that's here with us today So we're gonna go all over the place brother family golf mindset everything So I want to start out my son's gonna play college golf next year nice, and so He asked me to stick one question in there and I figured I put it in first So you know a lot of entrepreneurs listen to this and there are different levels you and I both know people have done pretty well in business You know they're successful and you and I know some of the most successful entrepreneurs of all time in your chosen craft You've got to that you know wanted you're in the top 10 players arguably top five players in the history of a game that You play of your sport and I'm just curious my son asked me ask Phil What's the difference between the number 50 player in the world and the number one player in the world? And is there a difference also between the guys that make a PGA tour that never get there These great players that play on the mini tours What's the separator between number 50 and number one and even those that get to the top 130 or so on the PGA tour and quite never get there? What do you think the separator is? So I can answer that with a lot of different ways But I would give you one example of a young player that came to me after just coming out of college And he said listen I'm trying to play the tour and I'm struggling with plus inside three feet And I'm even the drill that was given to me by Jackie Burke where you have to make 103 footers in a row And if you miss one you have to start over and so I was struggling with short plus when I went work with Jackie He gave it to me and it took me two days for hours and hours before I finally got all hundred row in fact The first time I got it I missed the 100th pot and then I made the next hundred pots and so I gave it to this guy and I ran into him two weeks later I said hey I was going he says I made it to 50 and then I kind of I kind of stopped and It's that the difference there is that I was willing to do whatever it took however long it took until I reached that goal of making 100 pods and he was like you know if I if I get it great and if not it was no big deal and so obviously he's not so playing That's kind of the difference between making it and not making it is that complete one of That mindset of just seeing what you have to do and doing whatever it takes to get it the difference between like the number one guy and the 50th guy on Tour let's say a lot of it has to do with his ability to visualize to see shots before it happens So a lot of people have the ability to execute the shop But if you can't see the shot you're trying to execute you'll never be able to hit it And the people that see the see the clearest that visualize the clearest rise to the top and the guys that are just slightly behind Tend to not see things as clearly that's the best way for me to put it is that they're not able to visualize their success and to see What exactly they want to do right away.
It's interesting that entrepreneur I'm always sort of surprised up. I get paid to coach people to him. I'll say give me some of your you know your top five goals I'm always amazed by their how vague people even are the specificity of even the goal itself And then I'll ask when I leave athlete and it's like I'm hit 330 114 RBI 36 home runs They know exactly what it is but the visualization part do you do that before you play or you talk about over the shot only? I'm just curious to describe the two types So Visualizing and mental preparation is every bit as effective as physical preparation There was a study done 25 years ago involving free throws and you had three subjects one only shot only physically shot three Bro free throws one group only was able to visualize shooting free throws for a week or two And then the next group was able to do both visualize and shoot and the ones that Visualized solely performed every bit as well as the ones that were able to physically do it and visualize and the ones that had no visualization Was quite a bit behind the other two groups and so when you visualize you visualize perfection you visualize hitting the shot the way you want to and so I remember just before the Masters one year I had missed the cut in the week before I was playing terrible I did not hit any balls for five days Saturday Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday leading up to the Masters because I wasn't physically able to hit The way I wanted to but what I would do is I'd lay at home I'd grab a club and I would visualize making a perfect swing I would visualize hitting a perfect shot I played nine holes in those five days and I ended up finishing third I didn't win but I played some really good golf by far better than what I played the week before by just using mental recursal and Preparation so it's an powerful tool that you really need to combine it with physical practice But it's a great way to to get yourself ready because you only see yourself doing it the proper way doing it perfectly Yeah, that's the thing I'm talking to her in our time I had a baseball injury in college and this is so important of business athletes know this and I read a book about 20 years ago called the corporate athlete by getting repel and his contention back in the day was that business people were going to begin to perform and act like athletes and and that the mental preparation the mental rehearsal I took it very seriously I tribute that to the 50% of my success in businesses my obsession with visualization and dreaming and clarity and repeating because your mind Gravitates for what it's most familiar with so if your mind's most familiar with the perfect shot the perfectly executed meeting the perfectly Executed close you gravitate in that direction if it's if it's obsessed with the failure the fear or something they get moves towards that as well And ironically he said feel at the same time He saw athletes would begin to act more like CEOs and I watch guys like you or LeBron James or the Tiger Woods It's your businessman now as well, you know years ago There was Nick listen Palmer and a few handful of guys now the rest of your company's your brand within yourself and when I was reading your resume I'm curious just I'd say 51 wins 44 on tour five majors top 10 player of all time Maybe top five player of all time has your career turned out the way you thought it would is it more less or about what you expected it to be?
It's it's close to what I thought of the I actually thought I would win all four majors I still have a US Open to go and I might have a couple of reasonable shots out But I always thought I would win all four but getting back to what you're talking about the visualization the CEOs have a vision And they're able to see things that others aren't and then they know exactly how they're going to implement this to get that to reach that goal And in golf I'm able to see shots that others just don't see and so rather than try to articulate or whatever I just demonstrate or show and that's what CEOs do is they have the ability to visualize how they're going to achieve success in business Where others just don't have that vision and that's what separates those entrepreneurs that are able to visualize it and see something That's going to be successful and others don't have that vision. That's so good brother. So you guys, that's why I wanted to mind I told you so I'm curious That thing you have sometimes our greatest talent can be our greatest curse So I was in one with a bunch of talents But one of them is pretty good at talking pretty good articulator God gave me a pretty deep voice I used all those things to my advantage in business So I've been able to motivate and inspire people with my words I've also said some stupid things in my life that have come back to hurt me with that same gift And in your case, you know in the beginning of your career the first, you know, you were 13 years I think on tour before you won your first major a lot of wins very successful But everybody you're one of the greatest players of all time And I think it's something to be said for the fact that it took this man 13 years correct me if I'm wrong-filled when you're first major And I'd like you to talk about the patients that required But also was there a modification in the way you approach the game in all in other words Just because I have a vision I could see it sometimes executing a different approach sometimes serves us and it served you on the golf course Have you changed that at all or did you just finally catch up your talent with? So you're exactly right and there was a turning point and in those 13 years I never doubted that I would win majors I never doubted that I would win multiple majors But something had to click to put you over the top because there is a difference between a major and a regular tournament The penalty for a miss hit is much more severe You have to control your emotions a lot a lot more because you'll get frustrated after getting a good shot and enough with a bad Swore or a bogey, so it can be a bigger challenge.
Let's say well Before the 04 masters I ended up working with Dave Pells and one of the things that we decided to do was better preparation So I ended up going to Augusta with him and spent three days hitting shots into every green of where I wanted to be So there would be spots where there the pin would be and I knew I wanted to be in such a such a place I would hit that shot over and over and then if I in the tournament I was there I've already hit that shot I was much better prepared and so I tried to make the major course like my home course where I knew Where every ball was gonna end up every place you wanted to be I did that shot before knew what it was gonna do So it was the preparation that changed and my first event after preparing like that was the 04 masters which ended up winning He ends up winning Speaking of preparation. There's this guy Peyton Manning that I've got to know a little bit the last six months I just I interviewed Peyton for my coaching group and it leads me to something I want people to know about that you're involved with and I want to ask you a question about preparation So you're involved with something called the match champions for charity Urban as a no just epic event last year the match fill against Tiger fill one I think you pick up a couple bucks. I think it was like ten million bucks or something for one day support But you got something going right now. It's you it's you and Brady Tom Brady and Phil Mickelson against Tiger Woods and Peyton Manning on May 24th What should we know about that though?
There's a couple of things the first thing is that all ten million dollars being paid to the players are being donated to COVID-19 relief efforts So it's cool that these guys have stepped up to use their platform to provide entertainment But also to help others in need and we'll try to cover all the bases from health care workers that need some assistance as well small businesses and all the People that are affected will be able to try to create some relief revenue for those people But the other thing that's cool is that in the first match Tiger and I clammed up the back nine when you're playing About much money. It's hard to talk smack so we were quiet and this match having partners will get more out of us So we have no caddies so Tom Brady and myself will be discussing each thought for each of us What we're thinking we'll be talking smack amongst each other as well as to the other team and Peyton Manning is such a so good at that That there's going to be a lot more banter It'll be a lot more entertaining than the first one where it was just Tiger myself. Are you gonna win or you don't know? Oh, no, I'm definitely gonna win now.
Keep in mind we were going to play this at another course We're gonna play it somewhere else in Florida Tiger lost the first match and was he's so upset that he forced us to go to his home courts And I'm not kidding we are at his home course because Tiger and he wants to win and so there's nothing I would love more than the opportunity to go to his home course and give him a bad memory We'll talk about you in a minute, but I want people I'm just there I dominant Cruz because the UFC fighter he fought this weekend for the Bantamweight championship for the UFC good buddy of mine In the very room. I'm in I interviewed him for the show and when I was interviewing him He said, you know, I think there's a handful of moments in your life that can define you You know and you kind of sometimes you sometimes you don't know your in them sometimes you know You're in and it's a matter of winning that fight making that putt and I kind of believe that's true Maybe there's five or ten. I don't get one shot in your life. You're a preparer You might get more than one, but what is it like take us through your body?
I know you made a million putts the wind tournaments in college and high school as a junior, but it's oh it's 2004 You're at Augusta National. There's a lot of pressure on you. You're the best player to ever not win a major people were talking about Hey, there's this thing he's gonna do. He's gonna try to hit a shot.
He shouldn't hit on the back nine He's not gonna win you're over about an 18 foot clock. I want everybody in the world to listen to this You're driving in your car with your picture with this man Yeah, 13 years on tour. You have to picture this he was expected to be a great player People expected film if listen to come out on tour He won a tournament on the PGA tour as a freakin amateur, right? And now you're over that moment.
You're now in the moment It's about an 18 foot putt I think the most prestigious golf tournament in the world the Masters You make this fight you're winning the Masters by all intensive purposes What goes through your freakin mind in a moment like that? Is it just another part or is that different? What do you do to execute under that kind of pressure? So the visualization is the most important thing So I stood behind that pot and I saw it go in over and over and then I let that feeling of what the stroke was going to have to be Enter my body and as I walk up to the ball I try I try to maintain that field I try to maintain that sense of what it feels like to create that stroke and that role Just like I did the eight iron into the 18th green to set that shot up I'm visualizing the shot I'm seeing the way I want the ball to fly and I'm letting the feeling into my body of what it feels like to create that shot through all the many hours of practice and I try to hold that feeling so that I can Get over the ball and just recreate it and let it happen kind of get out of my way Make it almost a reactionary sport like in basketball when you get the ball You just see the hoop and you shoot it and you have this intrinsic feel of what it feels like to make that shot I try to let golf be much like that where I visualize and see the shot and then feeling in my body and react to it rather than have a Series of conscious thoughts and so that pop and I'm visualizing the ball tracking down Rolling into the cup and I'm feeling intrinsically what it feels like to create that stroke as I'm standing behind the ball Walking up to the ball over the ball and I try to create that field while I still have it if I lose it back away You back away and go back through that routine again.
So everybody listen to me. You're an entrepreneur. You're a business owner You're an athlete listen to this do you have that kind of level of preparation and your big meeting your big moment? You know are you visualizing to that extent and I'm curious I've always wanted to know this because I played golf and if I had an 18 Foot putt to win the master's let me tell you what we creep into my mind I'd be afraid I did it five feet past and missed the comeback but the reason I say that to you is I know that's what an amateur thinks But I'd be thinking I want to make this but But in the butt creaks in it I don't think I played golf with guys that play on your tour that are friends of mine who have confessed to me I've asked them hey, they've made a cut he's your guys on your tour I'm not gonna say who they are and I've asked them what do you think it over the tee shot on Saturday on one after you've made the cut and I'm not exaggerating I've had guys tell me professional golfers PGA tour golfers.
Tell me don't pop it I'm not kidding don't pop it and just shock me you're you're at that level and you still have that fear Does it does the fear creep in for you of some type and if it does how do you ward off? Because why do I ask that I ask that because a lot of the people that are listening are gonna have that big meeting that one client They need that one thing and I know fear creeps in for them because they've not been there before Have they mentally rehearsed it? Maybe they would be but do you get fear when you're out there and do you do anything if you do experience it? You cannot play fearful playing golf with fear is is the recipe for failure and you cannot visualize what you don't want to have Happen yet to visualize what you do and what I see a lot of players struggle when things go bad and their inability to control their thoughts and refocus on what they want to have happened and the thought of what they don't want to have happened continues to enter their mind over and over and over and They don't have the ability to push that out and refocus on what they actually want to have happen I find meditation is the best way to practice that because when you focus on a particular point whether it be the tip of a candle or or such You have to control your thoughts and thoughts will enter in from all areas and you have to be able to push those out and refocus on That candle or what you're trying to focus on and that ability to control your thoughts ultimately will lead to success I believe in whatever your line of work is because you have to be able to see what you want to have happen and push out Those negative thoughts of what you don't want to have and at will you've got to be able to control your thoughts You feel like that's it does it give you confidence that maybe you have that muscle that other guys don't have do you Are you conscious of that?
Can you almost you're playing with a guy or you know stuff like is that a part of your swag your confidence that you believe you have that ability? Even at your level not everybody does I do believe that and I also have a very quick memory and the ability to put things behind me and refocus on What I want to have happened so every golf swing that I make I'm trying to create a certain feeling and create a certain shot I'm not trying to fix the previous swing and I see a lot of people trying to fix what went wrong before and they're working out of the Negative rather than create a great shot in the next one So I'm always trying to work out of the positive and so I have this belief that even if I hit a bad shot My next one is gonna be great And I see it pulling coming off exactly the way I want to I feel it before I get it and I try to create that and it doesn't always work And the reason I'm able to articulate is because I've had the same struggles I've had the same struggle of dealing with fearful shots or fearing what I don't want to have happened seeing what I don't want to have Happened and and now that I've gone through that and I've learned how to control my thoughts even better I'm able to articulate it better. So I just want to say in the middle of this just so you know This is one of my favorite conversations ever just so you know we've done several hundred of these so We won't go the three and a half hours. I warned you about but I got to ask you it's 2016.
I'm going everywhere brother You know what I ask it. It's 2016 those either not huge golf fans fill these when the US open when the career grants land And he's come close a bazillion times to win in the US open. I think I have the right year I'm pretty good at golf golf history. Maybe I'm wrong you correct me 2016 Phil's gonna win the US open and I think you bogey the 16th hole you come back you par 17 Maybe I have my years wrong.
I gotta digit wrong 2006 he bogey 16 par 17 and if you par 18 You're probably gonna win the US open and you got a bad tee shot There's a series of events that in hindsight weren't great decisions potentially. I want to ask you about that and I remember the end of the Round watching you I've always rooted for you. I'm left-handed golfer the way you treat people you're like most fans I just root for you and I know physically in my body hurting for you, you know, and I remember you saying I think you literally said I'm such an idiot. I can't believe I did that I think you actually referred to yourself that way I want to know what does it feel like to have a failure that all of us here failure in a marriage failure in a business And we have to come back again and you have an event like that happen How did you come back?
What were you thinking? How long did it take you to come back? Etc. Tell us about that So I lost six US opens where I finished second the wing foot was one I probably came closest but there was another one I'd rather talk about which was Marion in 2013 where I had a chance I was tied for the leader leading with the nine or ten holes ago And I ended up getting a bad wedge on a short part three and I make over you on a hole that you really need to make birdie I ended up losing by a shot or two to Justin Rose and For the next week I was I was really down because I was 43 years old It was kind of my last chance to one of my last chances Let's say when you was open and I was really down after letting that one slide and I went to a place with my family Spent about seven to ten days and about the eight or ninth day it dawned on me that I'm playing really good golf And even though I lost I don't want to let this linger and carry on into my next my next performances my next opportunities And so I went to Europe and played in the Scottish and British open and it happened to be probably the best two-week experience of my career I ended up winning the Scottish open like my first tournament win in Europe on links ball I followed it up with winning the British open at your field where I never didn't I never really believed I would win the British open the way I knew I was gonna win the Masters or other majors and so that was probably my greatest accomplishment So I went from one of my toughest failures to my greatest accomplishment meaning we can't let the failures hold us back Yeah, it hurts it stings, but we have to put it behind us and learn from those mistakes and not let let that hold us back because We have to refocus on what we want to accomplish and we're all gonna deal with with setbacks and failures And I've had a number of them, but I've also had a lot of successes that make up work So you're are you guys where like you savor these wins more than you love at the losses?
I never do a lot of athletes ago. No, I'm honest with you some of these losses hurt more than the wind felt good What's true for you? I think that I certainly hate to lose more than I love to win and that motivates me to work harder with the failures that I have and Motivates me to practice harder so that I don't lose it's not so much the great experience of winning that I thrive on It's just that I hate to lose but as I look back I really try to cherish the positive moments that have happened in my career and appreciate it be grateful for having those moments those memories And I try not to dwell too much on on the failures But the one failure that I will look back on is the one that you mentioned to the 06 You're so good, but it wasn't the drive that really bothered me I missed I only hit two fairways out of 14 all day It was the second shot because my my short game that week was better than it's ever been it was the best short game week of my career I hit I average I think three or four fairways around and yet I should almost want the US open so it was the second shot that I did not carve the three iron around the tree I started a little too far left They caught the limb and fell straight down if I started a little bit further right and slice around that tree and I had a fine line I came off the corporate hospitality time, but that graph is all mad at it down by live was fine that 300 gets up by the green I'm going to get that up and down that was the best week of my short game I would have made up for and the second shot was the one that I look back on That's interesting because I'm gonna challenge you on that I think you know that a lot of people thought they error was in trying to hit the three iron didn't people feel like you should have tried to Lay up and just get up and down or am I wrong about that? They felt like a lot of people probably thought that but again I'm able to see things that others aren't and I have I'd all have to do is just hit a high cut three iron around the tree It's gonna end up by the green somewhere probably on the green.
It wasn't a hard shot I'm going to pull it off seven out of ten times eight out of ten times It's gonna end up by the green if not on and then my short game takes over and I get up and down with you So I pushed it about two yards too far to the left in it and it got the limbs I love it. Thank you for sharing that by the way I love being I love being in that moment because I'm never gonna be in that moment It's for us right so and most of us aren't gonna be I want to talk like a your approach I there's four do's your plan with it again guys check out this champions for charity. It's gonna be special It's really really cool Your approach is a little different and let me tell what I mean by that and maybe it's just exterior And I think you could hope to people I'm an intense guy and I think when people see me in business They see other intense business leaders. I think you have to be I don't know whatever I am and then in golf Tigers approach up until recently was just this he wasn't kissing babies and hugging every patron in every tournament in between Holds let's put it that way.
There's a there's this thing about him, right and Brady in text I think Peyton in his own way intense you've seen to function when you're playing your sport almost like you're enjoying you You're enjoying the experience you seen maybe it's exterior you seem looser to me. You've probably been told that before you're looking at the crowd You're making eye contact you're smiling more is that a tactic where it keeps you relaxed and loose? Is it just your disposition or is there this if we cut you and tiger open inside the same things going on internally in your heart mind in terms of Intensity so part of it It's my disposition and part of it is attacked because I realize about myself that I play and perform better when I'm having fun and when I'm more Pockative and some people play better when they are quiet and block everything out and don't say a word, but that's not me That's not how I play my best I actually try doing that early in my career and I would go to these majors determined that I'm going to be focused in and And when and I would get tight and I wouldn't play my best ball doing that And so I found out that and realized that part of myself is talking more laughing having fun Telling stories getting my mind off of the shots in between and then refocusing when I'm trying to hit the shot I played my best and so when I get a little too quiet I get I find I get a little too tight and I have to make an effort to be a little bit more talkative listen tell stories What have you to loosen the up because that's what allows me to play my best part of success is each person has to find out What works best for them very good and I I Gotta tell you I asked that Johnson's the first guest I had on the show about this very topic But I'm a very competitive person. I've also been blessed to be around athletes like yourself that have performed at a level That I'll never get to and you know I know what it's like to have to play pickleball with John L Way at two o'clock in the morning because I've beaten him five times and he's not going to leave until he's beat or playing cards with Different guys.
I'm watching the ESPN documentary on Michael Jordan right now He's competing with the security guard who can throw a card or a coin up against the wall the closest and you're an Otorius crazy person competitor and I asked Zach I said Zach you love golf. I was surprised in his answer It was more like I like golf. I don't love the grind of it anymore What I love is to compete and I'm best at golf. That's where I can win the most so two things a talk about competition and how much it means Do you and then be do you love golf?
You love the game of golf? I love golf beyond the league because I love every aspect of the game I love the competition that's certainly big part of it I love getting out with the guys and I'm talking I love competing at the highest level in majors and to events I also love getting out there with friends or going out But to the golf course by myself in the solitude and just trying to practice and get better on my own I love every element that the game provides But I also need golf in my life because my mind doesn't shut off and if I don't go if I don't have something to consume on my Thoughts I could easily go down in negative direction. I've always gambling is an easy way for me to go down I've never tried a recreational drug But if I ever did it would be easy for me to get out of in that I have to have something positive to consume my thoughts and golf has been a savior for me in my life I ultimately end up having other hobbies so that when I get outside of golf I have to hyper focus on whatever that is and so you know for a long time I end up flying and I got into flying and kind of dove all into that and then I've got into martial arts and I got a sniper shooting and I have to have something to consume my thought the golf has saved me because it's a four or five Hour meditation experience and it's given me something it's midnight to be focused on what about a golf club? What if I tried doing something a little different maybe two drivers of the master maybe no drivers of the British Open I'm maybe only one driver in the PGA and I've won majors with zero one and two drivers I've tried to create a new clubs.
I have a three or four patents with from the companies that I've been with from creating some ideas My mind doesn't shut off. Maybe it's my golf swing at two thirty off I'll have a dream and I can't wait to get off the golf course to do it If I didn't have golf my mind would go down could easily go down some negative pass And so I need that that positive Elements to focus on and golf has given me that as well as so much more not only a form of competition and camaraderie and solitude But also an incredible living I really owe the game of golf a lot in my life. I love it I appreciate it. I'm so grateful for it.
Yeah, you're just you're talking off camera And I think if you're married this if you're a crazy person like villain I are you should go back and rewind the last five minutes And play for your spouse because if you're with and you all know what I'm talking about you're an obsession obsessive Adictive person that most people can't connect and relate to that's most max out people that are listening to this And they need to know that you want them to have we're gonna have an obsession So best we find healthy ones and best for you that are listening to this that you find healthy ones And so I'm really glad that you articulated that way There's a couple things also I've admired about you that I want to ask you about your 49 to 50 years old in June, right? Yeah, yeah And you're you've seen to me as hungry as innovative as Creative as driven as you have ever been in your career like it's not really have been flowed and I like to think I have an element of that myself Do I don't need to be doing this today? You don't need to be doing this today? Yeah, we're both fascinated with contributing and growing and experiencing new things yet not everyone's that way Phil You know a bunch of guys when they won their first tour they stop their first tournament They stop working as art or they got their tour car or they got their first big check or they won their first major There's somebody I watch and everyone their first major.
They said something I remember thinking that will be their only major championship, right? You seem to be fueled almost your fire is fueled by the success you've had what causes a 50 year old guy like you? Who's already cemented his place in history to be so driven and hungry at this stage of your lifestyle? And you know that's not normal You know that that's not there's not a lot of guys like you.
What is that? What is it? So money doesn't drive me I've been fortunate to be okay there But what drives me is my passion and love for the game at golf and the challenge of trying to do something that others can't and so Winning major championships I get older in life or winning PJ tour events as I get further along in my life That becomes a greater challenge than it was before and so it's a greater work ethic I appreciate it more forces me to get in the gym if you look at pictures from the 2006 US Open where I am the heaviest I've ever been I'm wearing a yellow shirt and I'm just disgusted at how much of a house I am in that picture and then where I am now I eat better. I take care of myself better I wish I'd done that more in my career to understood and appreciated the elements of nutrition and overall fitness to help you perform better I wish I had been more aware of that but I got educated on a little bit later And it's not too late it forces me to get in better shape to keep my swing speed up So I'm actually stronger than I've been in a long time I swing speed as fast and then it's been since actually ever in my career I'm hitting the ball longer than I have and there's no reason why I can't go out and compete with the young great players of today And I think that that challenge is what drives me that that love that I have for the game at golf and that difficult challenge Continues to motivate me.
I think I can do something that that nobody else has done or thought possible win major championships in their 50s win PJ tour events in their 50s and play some of my best golf in my 50s I believe it's possible that means you're not gonna play in the champion store you're gonna be on the PGA tour So that means I'm pulling that out because I Really appreciate the guys that are on the champion store a lot of them I'm set up the PGA tour to give me that opportunity and the champion store if I can help out that that tour by playing a few events And maybe have a little bit more sponsor interest and so forth and get that tour So it does not mean funding from the PGA tour I would love to do that to help out so I might play two three four five events I'm not sure but I don't want to devalue the what that tour is But the challenge that motivates me drives me is winning major championships and PGA tour events against the best players in the world I want to hear that a lot of my audience I have audience from 12 years old to 70 years old and if there's a 50 year old man that's going you he's gonna go out And by the way, absolutely can still win another major still has one of the greatest short games of all time I think the greatest short game of all time and most people believe that and his the ball further than he's ever hit the golf ball It's absolutely no reason why he couldn't win a couple more majors at this age if you're a 55 year old entrepreneur You can still win business as no way so many people that because of Instagram and this day and age like I'm ending my time's past me I that's absolutely not the case at all are just curious. Here's how innovative this man is at his age Are you still doing intermittent fasting? We were talking about we still doing that and not only that I fast every Monday Tuesday for 36 hours Just to let my body reset each week. So guys He's you guys know I had dr.
Ian Smith on who talked about intermittent fasting feels tinkering and improving all the time and innovating He knows the formula that got him to win 10 years ago isn't exactly the same thing That's gonna get him to win now same as an entrepreneur same as a dad a couple more things. I'm curious about tiger So there's this thing now where you guys are pals and I want to really know the truth about that like like I think everyone assumes that there were some years there were the two of you You weren't you know holding hands at breakfast every morning in between every single tournament, right? So you had this you had tiger you had you I love that one turn and I was watching I forget where you were But I think you're in the final group and you're on the tea box and they're reading off his resume of wins in the middle of it We'll dub it in here, but you're like all right. All right That's one of my favorite moments of all time in sports But like are you really friends now or is this just sort of like nah not really like can you really be that close with your rival?
I mean like really what's where you guys really at? So they're going to be points where we have a contention There's going to be points where we work together and I think throughout my entire career with him I've always had the utmost respect for what he's done for me and my family because he's increased the ratings on the PJ tour as well as the Off-course opportunities when I turned pro in 1993 my first win was in 91 the entire person was a million dollars in first place Check was 180,000 I used to wonder if we would ever have a first place check of a million dollars higher comes along in the end of 96 and we're playing for a Million dollar first place checks not too far after and we have been ever since so nobody's more appreciative or benefited more from what he's done For the game bringing it onto the golf onto the front page of the newspapers at the time and and I've benefited more than anybody So I'm always appreciative and I always have the utmost respect for him because of that and our relationship Although we've never been let's say really close when we worked together for the Ryder Cup to try to win in 2016 We were talking a lot and coming up with game plans core strategy players partners This course set up we were talking about a lot of details on how we could play our best and be successful And when you work together for a common goal that brings you closer I think that was kind of the turning point for us and that we were working together for a common goal But we will always have challenges, you know, I love to beat him more than anybody He loves to be me and obviously the big picture he's nominated to be he's got he's the best player of all time and early in my career He got the better of me, but I've even doubt the record head to head and the latter part of my career I've got the better of you, so it's been something I enjoy doing, but make no mistake I'm very appreciative for what he's done for me my family in the game of all but I won't I won't ever talk about it because of it So tell us your here I watched a bar cleat the other night on the Jordan deal and I just find it hard to believe any professional athlete Thanks, but I want to ask you and bark Lee said it was the first time in my career where I was on the basketball court I don't know if you saw this and I believe Charles felt that way He said it's first time I'll paraphrase him and say it wrong He says the first time I was on the basketball court where I knew there was a guy in the court that was just better than me if we were both playing at our a game and I like that and I didn't like it and And I'm a Tiger Woods fan on the Phil Mickelson fan, but I don't even know that I know the answer to this and I'm curious Is that what you would say about this and don't please don't be humble I'd really like to know what you believe about this if you were both playing your a game your optimum level of golf Or you confident you could beat him if you're both playing your a game So I've always had the belief that yes, I could beat him the 2000 US Open was a moment where I Was questioning myself if I would be able to do that because I saw the best performance in the history of the game I'm all and it was very intimidating and I knew that I was gonna have to do things different He got the best out of me. He got me to work harder. He got me to focus harder He got me to perform better and when he started changing instructors what happens in golf There's a million ways to play great golf.
There's a million ways to succeed You see a lot of different golf swings the way you have to do is you have to stay on a path Continue going forward and refine refine refine get better better better and it's small increments and when he started switching instructors He started moving laterally to another path and trying to go up that other path and to his credit three times He's worked with different instructors with different swings with different paths and he's been able to be successful win Be number one in the player the world in the world in majors So I came a lot of credit for that But I always wondered that if you had stayed on that original path I think you could have could have been Even more intimidating to try people once he started jumping around I continued to believe that I could be even though my record never really was That successful against me the big picture. I felt like I could still be I love that answer a couple more things I played golf with your brother a couple times at Gosser Tim who's now your You're cutting now isn't he he is and he's one of my favorite people in the world to be around So I and I enjoyed my time with him and I asked you this out of curiosity By the way, I'll go back to something feel just that I just wanted to say yes So some of you business people quit picking code pick a coach and stick with them quit switching who your system You're following and what you're doing because I do think that probably cost Tiger Woods five or eight majors Is this content constantly not staying on a path? But about your brother I've met both of you and I'm just curious a lot of parents listen to this you're both studs is the way I would say it your brothers different than you but both of you are impressed with people your brothers got a swagger and a Confidence in about him. I called it charisma that I've noticed in your brother and I thought they must come from a wonderful family There's something special that had to happen in that house to produce I mean obviously you've had a level of success It's unprecedented your craft But I was also very impressed with your brother and also impressed with the relationship you have with them What happened in your house that your parents did we all need to know about this produce such really wonderful men?
Just curious if there's anything in that home that we should know about so my mom and sister are tremendous women too And my dad was it had this quiet confidence and quiet self-esteem He was a fighter pilot. He was a instructor at Top Gun for the epic recederate Miramar He was assigned to the Blue Angels in the F4 and was a commercial pilot thereafter, but he had this Confidence to himself and he never talked about it. He was just a had a high self-esteem But he wasn't arrogant or cocky in any way, but he was just the best at what he did and when you have that He kind of carries that over into our whole family So my siblings my sister and brother have always been supportive and genuinely happy for my success and not jealous and therefore I have a really good relationship with both of them and My brother Tim is confident and who he is and as a person. He's not jealous He's genuinely happy for my success and he's been very successful what he's done as a college college coach for many years He's a phenomenal caddy and what's great about him as a caddy is that he has the ability to see how golf Or should he played for the top players like John Ron who played for him for four years and also for the fifth guy Who's struggling and how he needs to perform to give himself his team a chance when he doesn't have his a game So he's able to look at me and say look we don't have it today Let's do this and shoot our number today and see if we can come out tomorrow hot and get it turned around and then he says look You're firing on all cylinders man hit the driver Let's let's go make a free so he has the ability to adjust and adapt for all different levels of play as a college Off coach he carries out over into a caddy But it's his self-esteem and confidence in himself who he is that is make some so charismatic fun to be around and support Of as opposed to jealous.
Yeah, I noticed out of him and then the other thing just family-wise I wanted to ask you I have this theory that for somebody who wanted to have this success you got You guys don't know if you're not a golf fan you don't know this Phil has left tournaments to come home. He missed a US Open for a graduation for family He and Amy seem to have a remarkable relationship. I know that you guys went through a battle where she had breast cancer How critical has been your home front? There's a thing about you that I've admired which it seems I'm sure it's never perfect It seemed like and I know it's not perfect is mine's not perfect But it seems like you've done a wonderful job as a husband and a father and in your life You have a big life you have a lot of friends you have a lot of commitments corporate relationships things You need to do things like today I got to think Amy is at the center of all of that and I want people to hear this who are married to understand the sort of support or structure That needs to exist around somebody like you that allows you to perform in multiple areas at such a high level So if you'd address that just for a minute, I'd love to hear your perspective on that So Amy's one of the most intelligent brilliant remarkable people that I've ever been around and for me to be able to share the last 27 years What there is remarkable because To be successful whatever it is especially in athletes we get very self-centered we get very into our own cells our own world We we sometimes get very disengaged to what's going on around us and and she has been just a godsend into keeping our keeping the kids solid people and grounded and keeping me engaged So it's it's always a challenge because I get a lot of my self-esteem from my career and She's she's done a remarkable job in raising our family keeping everybody grounded and keeping me engaged Yeah, you're blessed and obvious.
I don't think you could do what you've done without that. Okay last two questions. Thank you by the way No, no humility here someone pulled you side and said hey Phil what has made you special? And no humility.
There's there's a special sum and I know we've covered a lot of things visualization I'm talking about you the spirit you the human you the man You've risen to this level clearly there's you know people that don't know this doesn't big do to I was struck when I felt like It's a big man clearly there's some athletic giftedness there. Okay, but what is the special like you're pay guys if I don't If I sound like I'm ragging. I'm sorry, but this is what's special about me. You would say what I will do whatever it takes to succeed So when I was eight years old I knew that I loved golf I wanted to play golf and I didn't have the access to a country club or to play and I went down my turn to be down to the municipal courts It was Navajo Canyon It's called mission trails now and I got a job picking the range when I was eight three nights a week for the ability to play and practice on the golf Horse Hey, and so they had my parents had to sign a waiver and I give Rick Thompson the head pro there at the time a lot of credit for taking a risk And the liability of having somebody that young on staff But I was out there picking the range three nights a week and the days that I wasn't working I was out there getting balls playing and practicing so I was willing to do whatever it took and then when I At 12 when I was 12 they had to do ownership and they let go of everybody under 16 I went down to another course stardust which is now Riverwalk and downtown San Diego And I ended up working there all the way through high school and would pick the range there That was a nightlet range often times I wouldn't get done to 11 or 12 at night But I was willing to do whatever it took to be successful and to give myself those opportunities So that's that's kind of the difference is a lot of people have talent But not everybody is willing to do whatever it takes so good.
Last question. I don't ever say something's my favorite So I'm just gonna tell you how great this has been and I'm gonna thank you in advance before we finish here I knew it But but this is this is stuff that this is masterclass stuff everybody that you play for your kids that you want to win This is stuff that you play for your business teams and you let them soak in this wisdom here today. So good. Okay I'm an entrepreneur I went to contest to meet you at Starbucks and I get to pick your brain for a minute I get to ask you a couple questions and I'd be remiss if I didn't ask this on behalf of everybody So listen, I'm an entrepreneur.
I want to win. I want to be somebody. I want to create something You've been around everyone you've been around the best athletes you've been around some of the top business people of all time There's something you've picked up and they said I just need your best advice and I know it's difficult It's not one thing that makes somebody successful. I've got preparation I've heard from you about visualization.
I have your competitive nature You've got things structured on the home front you come from a family that instills off a steam and you all of the hard work That you put in all of those elements combined is there's some advice you give me as an entrepreneur That maybe we haven't covered yet today that you say hey, look I give you one more thing if I be this We'll be well you have to surround yourself with people that see your same vision and support you So my golf coach at Arizona State and now my manager for last 27 years Steve Lloyd Saw that vision and what I wanted to accomplish and did everything he could help support me in that goal I have a wife who has been so supportive in in throughout my career And so not everybody's going to see what you see not everybody's going to believe that what you believe is possible But you have to see you don't want to be or surround yourself with those people We want to surround yourself with the people that support you and see the same vision that you see and then lift each other up So good. Hey guys, you want to follow you on Instagram, right? Yeah guys Let me tell you something the best athlete to follow on social media is this dude if you want to go watch You got to go see fireside Chacks with Phil Mickelson So Thank you, where are you at on his go is it at Phil Mickelson with a blue check mark and just tell him what a fireside chat is real quick And then I'll wrap things up So I'm 50 And I've had a lot of experiences over the year a lot of pros a lot of stories to tell and so the fireside Chacks came with just sharing some of the stories that have occurred to me that you don't hear in the media that you you might enjoy Otherwise, and so I do a lot of them myself But I also have other guests that will come on and talk about it I just want to provide some content that people wouldn't see in a normal media or actually stories I wouldn't feel comfortable sharing with other people I'd rather just do it directly so that there's no confusion in the translation of how it's presented. Okay guys You got to follow Phil on Instagram Phil this has been an honor brother, and I'm so glad that we finally connected I am looking forward to taking some of your money here soon when we go out play together I'd love we belong to and thank you bro for being here to I really appreciate it so much Thanks, it's been fun being honest fun talking to you and I look forward to playing with you Me too.
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