Matt Turk welcome to be the people who cheese and as I'm so happy to be here So I wanted to start off by talking about I actually met you in 2015 you think you think you're 2016 2014 2015 it might have been earlier than that So I met you because I had the absolute honor of teaching your kids at the Swain school And when I first met you you were just coming on Saturdays to help build the sets for the yes, which is wild famously Yeah fast forward because it's just so funny to me. I think you would be this way anyways as a mayor I'm sure so many people have your cell phone number. Yes, so I'm but it was like just funny to me I'm like it's Matt like Matt's a dad But I knew so much about your family and just how amazing y'all are But when was the decision to actually run for office and what inspired you? So I have to do a minor edit because I think you don't even realize it But we met long before that wait why you had an internship as a marketing intern.
Yes done in Twitter Yes, and I we worked on something in like 2010 or 2011 Maybe like way back I was looking at I have all of my emails going back to whenever so I have You I think we're trying to coordinate because I so the decision to run for mayor like I I'll do quick story like quick history So I moved to allentown in 2004 to start a family Karen and I Cameras pregnant we moved here from South Carolina I wanted to be close to where my grandparents were living at the time which was in East Rowsburg I had a job working in Panama and I wanted to like be as close as I could be to Newark Airport Because I had to go to Panama a lot I wanted to be in a city but also near my grandparents and that just was allentown I'd never been in allentown before I was from Eastern Pennsylvania so I knew of allentown But I'd never been here we picked allentown and we you know truth moment. I didn't think we're gonna wait for that one I thought we would like pivot to whatever the next thing was and we completely fell in love with the city of allentown So I after kid two showed up that was Margot kid one was Malakid two was Margot. I International travel was really hard on a young family with two kids and I couldn't do the panamat thing anymore I like things just like how we have working out and I ended up with a job at an allentown economic development corporation and AEDC was working on the redevelopment of the waterfront Which was where we got to know done in Twitter and that is how like your email ended up in my inbox for something Wow I had no recollection. I was in my 20s.
So it was cool It was so we so I worked for 12 years in economic development in allentown and in though we had alliant my job was to Was to track businesses and investment and jobs to the Lee high Valley So I got to know allentown really well I got to like dig in and really know it because I was working more than anything else to tell people across the country across the world about what a special place this was and why they should bring their factory or their offices or whatever to this region and in 2019 we I was working at the El E high Valley economic development corporation and I was working on Allentown's 10 year plan and I was communicating the Lee high Valley's Three-year regional strategic plan to the mayor at a time who was Ray O'Connell and at Mayor O'Connell was Listening to what we were saying, but not like really listening. He had a lot of other stuff going on I appreciate that now as a mayor But at the time I was like this guy is not getting it and I at that moment said I think that if I'm going to be successful at my job in kind of really Pitching the city like getting jobs and investment to come here. I'm gonna have to bring a different energy I'm gonna have to step up and be the mayor So you were just like I'm gonna be the mayor I was like I was like I can find somebody else to do the job that I'm doing and I will do with this job The job of being mayor which in my estimation working on economic development I knew that the mayor had to have a vision for the city I knew the mayor had to like be high like have energy and be like just on board and like say, you know What can I do to help and so that was like that was 2019? That was my thought I was like I'm gonna How do you thought about running for office before not at all?
So it was just like an intrusive thought and you're like I'm gonna do this well So I run a lot I'm a marathon runner I was doing these like two hour runs three hour runs and had time and I ran in the city of Allentown And I just had time to think and I my thought what it was I wanted a new challenge I've been working in the at the Lee High Valley economic development corporation for at that point Seven six or seven years and I was like let me see well I knew I was capable of doing more and then COVID hit and I had a lot of time to think and I had a lot of time to do some like research into what it would actually take Right it went from like I want to be the mayor to like what would it actually take to be the mayor and I dug in and I just I developed a strategy I started talking to people and I started to think through what it would mean and then I just did it You did it. Holy shit. Yeah. Okay, so This is actually goes great with what you're just talking about with the running What would you say your big vision for the city is and what are the biggest obstacles in getting there?
So the vision that I had for the city as a candidate five years ago No, we're with it was five years ago the vision that I had for the city was just a city that worked I had this vision of like Allentown as the largest city in the high valley the third largest city in the Commonwealth Just being like a cool funky exciting place where like people where there's a vibrancy Right and then you have like that city vibe and then people people were looking up and it's bright and sunny and people were just excited to be here It needed some articulation and when I took office It got like really clear really quick right because when you sit down in the mayor's seat All of these ideas all these ideas that you might have had about what the job would entail or what was possible It gets real really fast. Yeah, so the vision that has kind of emerged from just talking to everybody that I can talk to about Allentown Is of a city where families can thrive? Where businesses are prospering and we're like the people of Allentown are truly just celebrating the joy of life together right it is it is a city of people who are doing well It's a place that accepts and welcomes new residents and then helps them get to that success And that is it's it when you get more specific like there's a way to get more specific about what that looks like But that's the hard work of being the mayor right and and that's what we keep it keeps evolving as time goes on Is the city continues to do better as the region continues to change as the world continues to change the vision continues to evolve But it's always rooted in how do we build an environment that helps people get ahead? How do you continue to build the city up without pushing out the people who have helped to build it?
That is such a challenging question because I think so I'll tell you like where we are right now The numbers that I'm fascinated by there are about 63,000 people who are registered to vote and active voters in a city as of like January 1, 2026. Wow, that's a 63,000 It's about 85% of the total eligible voters. So it's pretty good number It's a good number to have registered those 63,000 that is about 7,000 more than we're registered to vote four years ago So it's been pretty decent growth as well But the big number the telling number is that of the people who are registered as 56,000 who are registered to vote four years ago 15,000 of them left the city of Allentown which means that about 22,000 have come in so a full third 35% of the people who are registered to vote in the city of Allentown right now have only shown up in Allentown in the past four years They're totally new interesting and and what we like what I know about cities when I go back to that vision of a city Or that welcomes new people in yeah, like we have to be a city that continues to welcome people in and also find a way to Maintain and honor the legacy of the people that went before without being like some people just they're moving on like they're on to the next thing I think that a city cities are places of change fundamentally and that is a little discordant with that question of like How do we keep the city working and affordable and welcoming to the people who helped build us to where we are now? It is it's the constant challenge like how do you welcome the new in without pushing the old out right and and you do that I think the way that we do that is by being honest with each other about what that means Right how can we continue to welcome new arrivals in and make sure that the people who've been here have a voice and they have a seat They can weigh in the development pressure is one thing that I do know that doesn't work Is that if you try to like there's no gate at seventh and way all right?
No gate on South 4th Street. There's not a gate at Hamilton Sea of Crest there's no way of throwing the gates up and saying like nope you can't come There is the the paradox that we're in is that the more interesting and exciting and on time it comes the more attractive it becomes to Other folks right and so people want to keep coming here and that desire for the desire to be here Has an impact changes the city the new arrivals change the city and and we are if we can embrace that change without lamenting the change I think that that's the position that we need to find our way into it. It ain't easy. That's a hard question I know I know I'm sorry, but I love your answer.
It's an honest one. Yeah, what does public safety mean to you beyond policing? That's it so I'm in the middle of writing a state of city address that we'll deliver in a week where it'll be at the arch music Hall very excited I get to I get to lean into my punk rock roots a little bit I'm beyond stage at the archer And I was literally writing about public safety and what safety means and safety is far more than policing We have we have an allentown by the numbers of violent crimes the safest it's been in decades We had it one measure is the number of homicides of murders that you have we've had four murders in 2024 and four in 2025 We haven't had a stretch like that since the 80s the that rate is low the violent crime rate the part one crimes murder Agri-dissalt robbery and rape those are the big four violent crime that number is lower than it's been in at least 2025 years as my lower so the numbers tell you allentown is the second safest city in the entire Commonwealth What do you attribute that to consistency of leadership investment technology all the stuff be those are police things but beyond policing It's an engaged community. It's building jobs and investment those numbers the numbers say to most people allentown to safe city But safety has many more dimensions than just can I walk in a neighborhood and not worry about being a victim of violent crime?
Safety means I can write my bicycle down the street and not worry about being hit by car Safety means that I can drive through the city without worrying about being killed in the motor vehicle accident safety and this is an additional additional dimension Safety means that people in the city of allentown are not subject to mental illness that drives them to harm themselves That's an unsafe environment and the big one that I'm wrestling with right now in January of 2026 safety means a conviction that you will not be targeted by another government for your beliefs for your For who you of for your national origin That's the challenge that we have right now is that we are trying to build safety in an environment where Outside forces are making it less safe making people feel less safe the way that the the federal government is approaching Certain law enforcement is creating its terrifying our residents and right or wrong, right? They're they might not be in any true danger But if they feel if people feel unsafe, that's what we have to contend with yeah And so when I talk about public safety beyond policing those are types of things I'm talking about making sure that people feel truly safe in their homes truly safe in the streets safe to go to the Courthouse or the post office or the grocery store and pharmacy people have to feel safe in their lives And that is that's a major challenge. I love that answer and I cannot in the public attend your there's two versions of it So one the version at the archer music hall is open in the public, but it's sold out Oh shit, that's that is so that's on the 21st. I'm doing a dry run in a more low-key environment So it won't be the finished finished product But it'll also probably be more of a like an opportunity for some back and forth That'll be on January 20th at the inkwell, which is a further panel ministry It'll be like more like a spoken word by but only more like my actual punk rock background Very cool So I encourage people to come join me for that and hear like the state of the city address and then like there'll be an Opportunity to like say hey mayor like I like what I'm hearing or mayor that's like the dumbest thing I've ever heard Well, I don't think you'll be hearing any of that.
Okay, I have a tricky question and it was based on something I saw you post last week on Facebook you were talking about Obviously the removal of Maduro in Venezuela and you were talking about the idea that two things can be true I saw that you were celebrating with the Venezuelan community here And I think I saw that there was like a lot of back and forth on your post and you were trying to clarify what you had meant Do you feel comfortable talking about that? Very yeah, um, so it's funny clarification is I I think that I regret getting into the comments Never like never read the comments, right? It is well, and I think that if if you read my words carefully you can see exactly where the line is of course So I am reflecting the joy that Venezuelans feel for their dreams being answered They have been hoping for the removal of Maduro from the seat of power in Caracas for a really long time And I'm here for that like I'm happy that you no longer have this dictatorship in place in Venezuela I Fundamentally disagree with how that was conducted how he was removed I'm a believer in Democracy and I know that this guy lost an election in 2024 and we know what should happen to democracy lose an election you would have a peaceful transition of power you pass power on to the next person That didn't happen here And that's how it should have happened so the way that the I mean the Trump administration pulled Maduro out of Caracas I think was it was it was anti-democratic right like that wasn't that wasn't how it was supposed to go down But it was in their estimation the response that was required I don't I don't think the response was required it doesn't get what you want done What we want to see is not just Maduro removed from power of it that needs to be an administrative change there You need and to my mind that must be led by the Venezuelan people like Venezuelans should have a say in what their government looks Like I believe that for America. I believe that for Germany for For South Africa I believe that for Venezuela as well so And I but I bring to that part of the complicating factor or part of how I think about that is as the mayor of a majority Latino city and a mayor with Cuban heritage and I I bring the Cornissement into the conversation in that poster in the celebration with the Venezuelan folks But we know what it's like we know what happened like we saw Cubans in Miami and across the country celebrating when Castro died and if he they'll died, but then his brother was running the show And even when I would Castro step aside like it was just an extension of the same regime So if you you you can have change at the top if you don't change the systems Like it's not gonna get you what you want and the celebration like it feels good in the moment But then that's when the work steps in that's when you have work to do so as a mayor of a majority Latino city like celebrating with the people in the city of The Venezuelan people in the city who were happy to see the change like I'm happy for them But I also know and this is a conversation that we had on the side was like now there's work to be done And I'm hopeful that Venezuelan's will have an opportunity to chart their their path to chart their future.
Thank you That was great. Okay, when you are under pressure to make a big decision What is your north star as far as like what are the morals that you lean on to help guide you? You know the big decisions are they're never they don't they never look like big decisions right the big decisions are usually Cascading small decisions that end up having a significant impact and they're there They're never I think that they don't because they don't feel like those big decisions You do end up just having that internal that internal focus and what I come back to invariably is One like instead of reacting I respond right so I try to I try to under to deeply understand what's going on before making Those decisions and that can because that you can get overwhelmed with like all of the information right? And that's where like you need to come back and just like be decisive and be firm And I think you know I go back to like I talked about the punk rock background a little bit I think sometimes people think about punk rock and I think about like green mohawks and stuff about jackets or whatever But but fundamentally there is this there's a bunch that goes into the ethos of punk and independent of the rebellious authoritarianism stuff Independent of like the DIY stuff at its core there is a commitment to caring for other people right like a committed to kindness I think I think that's how it evolved over time right like the punk scene that I grew up in in the early 90s was it was post Minus rat and fugazi and was influenced by this DC tomorrow scene and and there was an intelligent There's an intellect behind it a cognitive intelligence But there is also this desire to to be kind to do well and to support other people and ultimately that's that's what I come back to Is they is is how do you approach your decisions from a position of compassion?
What will the thing that I do do something to ease someone else's suffering and with a recognition that in a big complex system? Like a city that there are trade like there's always trade-offs, right? But the one thing you come back to I think that the best example of a big decision But I can think of from the recent history is the decision to you might have read about it in the newspaper And I've talked about in the past is we when the YMCA is our emergency shelter for unsheltered jokes It closed for the season in April of 2025 So April 15th and in the lead up to the closure of the YMCA for the season We knew that people were going to shelter along the banks of the Jordan Creek And I went down and we did like a early cleanup with some of our teams to make sure that some of the like debris from years past was clean And to just get a lay of the land and there's some people who are already living in tents at that point And we knew a lot more people to show up and what I said to the people who were intense at the time in conversation was like We are we'd have a very hard time asking you to move this tent right like there's nowhere else You go so like if we rip up your tent like where else you're gonna go and the the compact that I had with the people who are living Along the Jordan at that point was just that like wait like there's no point in us uprooting you Like there's not a better option for you right now when I learned in July of 2025 that the site itself was in a floodplain and presented a life safety danger to the folks who are living there at that point I had to make the decision to remove the encampment to evacuate the site and to say to people that I had just months before said I ain't moving you I had to say that to them I got a movie and that was incredibly hard But and I the decision was based in compassion for the individual also knowing that There's a likelihood a too high likelihood at risk It was too great to assume that if I if I honored what I'd said to them and said we're not gonna move you That they could be killed right and there and I said this to multiple folks is no way that I was going to accept That I was gonna accept that reality that we're gonna just let you we're gonna put you at risk even though you say you're willing to assume that Risk I can't I can't assume that risk for as mayor as the leader in the city We can't we can't allow that and that was it was incredibly hard right? I know that there are people who know there's some folks down at the encampment that are mad still But but we had we we made those decisions Exclusively on are we are we reducing the suffering and when I thought about the suffering?
I thought about death and and there it was it was the it was one of the hardest things that I had to do and I hated having to make that decision Right, but it was rooted in compassion It was rooted in in compassion I said to one woman who I said look I don't want to have to tell her son lived in New Jersey and she was homeless in Allentown living in 10 and she was spending going back and forth between Allentown and New Jersey to see her son I don't want to tell your son that I didn't ask you to leave this site and that his mom's gone because I didn't do that And the issue you know can kill the flood or something It it's still it's just it still sits on me keeps you up. It doesn't keep me up at night I'm but I'm I think about it all the time. Yeah, you know and and those are those big decisions But what I come back to is we are you know When we we delayed the move until we could get the shelter open early to give people a chance to be in the shelter We threw tons of resources in the city at the making sure that we could house people that people had the resources that they need We continue to do that and that that the thing that I think was helpful is that the attention the media attention that got helped drive Some some support to organizations that were there to help Yeah, and I think we need to keep those conversations alive Right? We have to lean into hard conversations and be intellectually honest with people so that we can so that we can all do better And that's what I again I go back to like a punk rock thing of like we're all in this together Like we've got to support each other.
Well, that's a perfect segue for my next question speaking of you know having leaders that Base their decisions off of compassion and not ego when when you feel like national politics are so polarizing How do you try and maintain a sense of unity at a local level? This is one that I keep thinking about I mean you're doing it in my opinion. You're it feels that way here I feel like I'm in a community that's united and safe But how do you feel like you've cultivated that and can continue to some of it's by accident? You know totally honestly I think that we you stumble into things that work and I think that building a strong sense of identity around the Allen's Zone helps us do that that we recognize that Allen sounds a little bit different Allen sounds a place that we're not by any stretch of the Imagination insulated from local or or from from national or global politics But we have to keep our eyes like there's a lot to do here and it's a lot to do to support our neighbors Like we I just ask I keep coming back to asking everybody to show up right and to recognize that I go back to There's like all of those new residents like we have to show up and make sure that there's new residents like fit in here right and that they feel like we're welcoming them and that means like we show them We're showing them our customs that they might be new to and then we're like interested in learning their customs Whatever it might be and I think that it's some of what I do and it's some of what Allen Tonyans do Like Allen Tonyans are just it it doesn't make sense to people who are not from here I it's a little bit of a of a side track But like when I was thinking about like how to describe the Lehigh Valley more branding the Lehigh Valley when I was working for economic development I was always like you know the thing that you have to understand about the Lehigh Valley is that one of the best places here is a Place where at three o'clock in the afternoon?
There are lots of elderly people wandering around arguing over the price of food It's about to expire and you tell people would you like that? Would you like a hot dog in chocolate milk and people like what are you talking about like that sounds terrible if you describe it in Sacramento or in Tallahassee and then you bring them to the allentown farmers market and they're like holy shit This is amazing. Yeah, like I love this and so like when you get here and you dig in that that helps bring us together And I think that that like very like wearing your heart on your sleeve Like we are we have our cities seal has a heart at the center of it I don't think that they intended it the one that was founded to like for that to mean as much as it would mean to a mayor 110 years later But that heart means a lot like our city I talk about it's being the beating heart of the Lehigh Valley I talk about us as Allen Tonyans wearing our hearts on our sleeves sometimes on our chest like tattooed the seal on my chest We are like we're a we're a heart. We're city that's that is all heart And I think that that unity like when we all recognize it we're all in this together and like like you see like Philadelphia shirts It says like nobody likes us so like Detroit.
It's like Detroit against the world And I think that's like that's nice Detroit and Philadelphia But the reality is like allentown is the place that is like gets knocked down over and over and over again And we keep getting up and we get up a little bit smarter a little bit attitude a little chip on our shoulder But you can't every time we get up stronger and that is that's a unifying feeling It's less like what I do and more of just like something in the air or something in the water I love that. Thank you. Okay. Well, last question and then a quick rapid fire I know you got dog walking to do it and I love that in ten years What do you want people to say allentown became on your watch?
I Want it to I want people to say allentown got a little bit better for everybody I mean that that is that that that drives us every day is to make sure that I don't tell them to be like a radically different place Right, like we just don't do radical change when you take a look back and you look at like the long Arc of history like a lot of has changed pretty radically over a pretty short amount of time But it doesn't feel like it feels like we've just taken we take incremental steps towards something better And I think that can be frustrating people initially get here and they're like, this is so great Why isn't it better? But it goes move fast and But I think that that that ends up it's not a bug It's a feature of the city and I think that like when we embrace that like slow progress towards something better I think that I think that we can all dig in on that So when I think about like what? Allentown like what I want people to say about out of town ten years from now is that we we got better And we did it intentionally were thoughtful about getting better and then we did it in a way that that really Focused on belonging and focused on engagement I I when I so one thing I'm doing right now is I go there's only like 60 new homes sold in Elentown every month So like there and there's like single family homes So that's enough that I can go as mayor and knock on the door of every new homeowner and say if they if they answer They don't answer either card and it just says congratulations on your new home. Yeah, welcome downtown That's so cool And if we can we can welcome everybody in and just say like hey we want you here We like you being here So so I think we can we can do be that city that made it a little bit better for everyone We'll still be I think America's best kept secret But but I want it to be to be known as a place that got a little bit better and got a little bit better because we all tried together I always feel I tell people it cracks me up like I can be driving and we just drive past you on your bike And you're like you know, you're talking to people and I'm like I feel like I'm in Mr.
Rogers neighborhood You know, it's I am I know most of the cities around the country know by virtue of knowing their mayors and somebody asked me The other day like what is the city that is like most closely the personality of the city is most closely aligned with the personality of the mayor And I don't know if it's all in town, but I would love like I I try to humanize the role the mayor in I want people to know that like I'm the mayor of a lot of responsibility I've got like I'm here for all of you But I am also here as one of you like we're all just in this together Yeah, you know I like when I think about what I want to be as a place that's gotten a little bit better I also think about like what I want to be known as a mayor in Elton And I would I set it from the onset I want to be known as the most approachable mayor in the city of S history and part of that is you know We are majority Latino city It has changed everything for our Latino Spanish speaking residents know that they can walk up to the there and say They're like this and I'm gonna be able to have a conversation And they can tell me what's going on in the language that makes them comfortable Right and I'm taking an Arabic class at Milenberg College right now So that I can also try to open the door a little bit for our Arabic neighbors I was gonna ask have you always spoken speech you grew up speaking Spanish? Oh, wow I learned Spanish my grandmother's cube and she raised us speaking English. Okay, we I learned in university and then working abroad I It well and that's you know, I'm proud of my grandmother's accent That was one of the things one of the lessons that I learned from my grandmother. Oh, Fayetteville, Nihan was that like you you can think it's okay to have an accent It's okay, you can speak another language you can speak a language It's not your own and the accent is nothing but your shame though So I'm proud of my like my Spanish isn't perfect But I'm proud of it Yeah, and I'm proud of like the effort that I put in and I'm glad that I did and I'm hopeful that my Arabic I don't know if I'll forget to phone see an Arabic, but I'm gonna try very impressive.
All right Have some quick rapid fire for you. All right local business that needs more love that needs more love All of the local businesses. I mean there's a bad east coffee of Tutu 13 13th and tell me yep, I'm going there next week. I want a coffee good sandwiches Like the next me know is tattoo shop next at my My city CL tattooed on my chest.
That's always a great spot I like any of the places that are selling like cool Like some of that like the home businesses need love like all of that Like if you can find an elentown business that's a place that we can all they can all use them up But I'll say like Elentown I was just talking to my economic development guy like retail business continues to grow you know I'm like retailers are doing better and better. I love that. Yeah, yaku's order to hot dogs with everything in chocolate milk Hell yeah, but only I'll tell you like embarrassingly Sam bought me my first yaku's hot dog not that long ago Like I had never actually had a yaku's hot dog until maybe two or three years ago I had just never happened you should know my gram she is 89 She graduated from Allen High School at the time was Allen town high school She still picks up yakos and takes it to one of her classmates from alentown high school. That's amazing I am a like legit for like I have my favorite like slices Just get like a quick slice But like yakos is I as a mayor you just don't get a ton of chances to eat and so like yakos is always there Like if if we're like crisis mode yakos, it's yakos like two hot dogs with everything in a chocolate milk also great for a hangover You know actually you can't scare about that.
I'm a progees, but it's the best Favorite place to stop for slice of pizza that one's really hard because there's a lot of good places I got it. It's it sounds so crazy, but pizza Mart 2 I think he calls it. Where's that? It's got it's the slice It's the place that is like closest to city hall.
Okay, I can go like when I'm dying of hunger I can go get a slice but like the OG pizza place for me is when we first moved to Allen town We moved to we were at 11th in London and we went like the closest place to take the kids first slice was to a COSO and sell and sells Grandma pie is just my jam. Oh, so good, but I will never like I'm a fan of like literally every Yes You don't like then crust I Have like when I'm in the farmers market. It's less about Charlie K. It's more like when I'm in the farmers market I am here for soul soup.
I'm here for what I'm as Korea I'm here for the best he will remind you Middle Eastern food in the Valley Valley There's so many options that it's hard for me to go for a slice Well when you see me there with my dad is cuz we just had two Charlie Ks and two root beers nice So good well now the brass rails in the market, too So I know which is you know no hot dog competition for yachos, but still pretty good optimism or realism Mayors are like hope merchants. So we are we are Like relentlessly optimistic and it's but it's an optimism that is born of realism Like we mayors as a group have to fight we when people ask us how is it going like people ask me all the time Like how's the city it's freaking great like we're doing great like we are making a ton of progress We face a ton of headwinds. So it's always like I feel good and confident about what we're doing in the city I feel good and confident about our country. I feel good and confident about the world But I'm also grounded in reality But my reality is like I have an 18 year old and 21 year old and I know lots of young people and Particularly that generation like that Gen Z crew is so have so has so thoroughly internalized fairness and justice That I feel incredibly optimistic about the future of the world.
I love that. Last question favorite Alan Tom park This like this 40 I have 40 favorites, but That one is I don't want to slight any park. I would jimmy go up all the parks Karen and I live a couple blocks away from West Park West Park Best park it is just like I know every square inch my kids like I've watched my kids literally grow up in the park Every like I have thousands of pictures of our family in West Park. It is a it reminds me I played a lot of Scrabble in Rittenhouse Park Rittenhouse Square in Philly I've West Park has a little bit of that cool Rittenhouse vibe where it's like you just never know what you're gonna see West Park like West Park is is always invites your curiosity.
So that for that reason West Park is my favorite. Thank you Thank you for being an amazing there an amazing human. I know you're an amazing dad an amazing husband But thanks also for being honest and answering all my questions. Thank you.
I had a lot of fun This is good questions. I love it. Thank you. All right.
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