Tonight on 360 a month after firing the bearer of bad unemployment numbers, the White House gets another disappointing batch with the president saying about including a new claim that what he calls tremendous job growth could be two years away. Also tonight, after its bruising on Capitol Hill yesterday, a new reporting that Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. plans to announce a potential link between Tylenol use and pregnancy and autism.
After central Gupta goes in depth on what scientific studies actually show. And later, a riveting account of a sealed-team six covert operations is by on Kim Jong Un, why and how it reportedly went wrong. Good evening, thanks for joining us a lot to get to a head. First, some breaking news just that we've just been getting in about the possibility of military action against Venezuela that goes beyond what you're seeing here.
This week's Eris Reich and what the administration said was Venezuelan drug smuggling boat. The country and its president, Nicolas Maduro, has obviously long been a thorn in the side of the country and the president. The government has labeled Maduro and narco-terrorist and has set a $50 million bounty for his arrest. Now, CNN has learned from multiple sources what more the administration is planning.
CNN, Kristen Holmes joins us now with that. So what have you learned? Well, Anderson, we're told that everything is on the table when it comes to Venezuela, and that includes potentially targeting sites or cartels inside the country of Venezuela. That is one of the multitude of options that President Trump is weighing right now as they continue this maximum pressure campaign.
Now, one of the goals of this obviously is to weaken Maduro. When we talk to several sources, there is a belief that this will not only put pressure on Maduro to potentially leave his post, but also on the people around him who might be benefiting from this illegal behavior that they would then put the pressure on Maduro themselves. Now, President Trump was specifically asked about whether or not he supported a regime change and he quickly changed the subject. Here's what he said.
I can only say that billions of dollars of drugs are pouring into our country from Venezuela. It comes through Canada and it comes through Mexico. But a lot of it is coming through Venezuela. Venezuela has been a very bad actor and we understand that.
And when you look at that boat, you see the bags of whatever it is there, those bags where, you know what, those bags represent hundreds of thousands of dead people in the United States. That's what they represent. So they have clearly linked to Maduro to their larger anti-narcotics mission that they have near it is now have going on right now. One thing to note, they also put chips and heavy military power in the Caribbean.
I was told by a number of White House officials that this was meant to be a signal or a sign to Maduro, all part of this maximum pressure campaign. One thing that has been pointed out to me by a number of people is that we are ramping up this pressure clearly. We're talking about military action. Again, President Trump weighing hitting cartels within Venezuela, within the country.
But Venezuela is not the top drug distributor when you look at the countries where the drugs are actually coming from. So it's just an interesting part of all this is we're seeing them really ramp up the military pressure here. All right, Christian Holmes. Thanks very much on this breaking news.
Now we turn to tonight's other big story. Over the month since the president fired the head of the nonpartisan agency responsible for economic data, the question was what happens when the next numbers come out? Well, today they did and they were dramatically lower than economists expected. 22,000 jobs added in the month of August.
That was much less than the expectation of 75,000 guys. The July number was revised. I will get to revisions in a moment. And so will we because they are an important part of how the administration is trying to refocus attention from what were in the words of a traditionally administration friendly Fox analyst pretty brutal.
A short time later across several networks, the administration was trying to put a better face on the news, which also included the jobless rate taking up to 4.3%, historically low, but the highest since 2021. And the troubling news extended further. Here's the chief economist from the County Giant KPMG. The other thing that's really interesting is there's something that usually only happens after we're in a recession.
And that's the share of people on long term unemployed as a share of the total labor force rises. It's at this elevated level that we've only seen actually in recessions, not before recessions. So in short, not a banner day for the job market. Now here's the administration.
Here's how they're framing it. Would you admit to being disappointed by this weakening job market? Well, 22,000 jobs underperformed just a bit, but it's still in the positive. Almost a half a million jobs have been created since the president took office.
It's going to take some time. And the real and positive she pointed out that was the labor secretary. Now, here's the president's topic. An economic advisor Kevin has said points into those revisions that we mentioned.
This jobs number was certainly a little bit of a disappointment right now, but one of the things there was a Goldman Sachs study that came out yesterday that showed that because the VLS hasn't really done a good job on its seasonal adjustment in August, that they tend to revise this number up by almost 70,000 jobs with give you the revised number a month later. So there are two problems with that. The first is that even if this month's 22,000 jobs is revised upward by 700,000, as Kevin has said, that still leaves the hiring number far short of the 150,000, or 70,000, far short of than the 150,000 that economists needed just to keep up with population growth. The second problem is that the revisions to the last two months of disappointing numbers came out today, and they were not reassuring.
July's were up only slightly from 73 to 79,000. And in June's, we're revised sharply downward from 14,000 added to 13,000 jobs lost. Now, the president, I'll let you know what he said, were excessively high interest rates. And I want to be very fair about this.
Some economists agree with his assessment. He also pinned some hope on future upward revisions. But in a photo op approaching an hour and a half today, he mainly tried to focus instead on tax cuts, domestic and foreign investment tariffs, all of which he suggested would fuel economic growth. He also said that this growth and the jobs that it brings might not fully materialize until 2027.
Well, I heard, and you know, we were in a very downward path with Biden, and I heard that the most we could do is with 1% GDP, and now I'm hearing 3.2% and 3.5% and all. And our big year won't be really next year. I think it'll be the year after, because when these plants start opening up, it takes a period of time to build them. We're going to have tremendous job growth.
But perhaps not next month, or even next year, according to the president, he also said that lower prices of the pump would help. If you look at energy, I think it could be at $2 a gallon with cars very shortly. It was $4, $5 under the Democrats. That's a huge, it's like a massive tax cut.
Okay, going to be, he said, which I just got to point out is different from what he had been saying for months, namely that it already is. Listen, gasoline just hit $199 today in five states. $199, isn't that a nice sound? We just hit in five states, $199, $198.
So that was in July, and it was not even close to being true then, not then when zero states had sub $2 gas, and the national average was $318 a gallon according to AAA, and not now when it's $320 a gallon nationally. As for the man the president wants in charge of the economic numbers to replace the woman that he fired, his name is E.J. Antony, and CNN's K-Files, was uncovered since deleted Twitter account he operated, which featured sexually degrading attacks on Kamala Harris, derogatory remarks about gay people, conspiracy theories, and crude insults aimed at critics of President Donald Trump. Here's a tweet he reposted titled, advice for women, how to land a great guy among the suggestions quote, be in shape and don't be annoying.
This one he reposted numerous times about Vice President Harris and her campaign quoting again, you can't run a race underneath. Again, that's from a Twitter account that belongs to the president's choice to run a major government agency. Keep in a classy. Oh, and separately the president today announced that next year's G20 economic summit will be held at his Dural Country Club in Miami.
Joining me now, Republican strategist and senior political commentator David Urban, we're happy to have him back. He's your time straight and earned national economics reporter, Anas Wanssen, and Democratic strategist and senior political commentator, Paul Pagala. Let me start with you. Just for folks who don't follow economic numbers so closely, can you just put these numbers in context?
What is the biggest concern with them? Sure. So it was unfortunately a pretty bleak report. It showed that the sluggish numbers that we saw last month really weren't a fluke.
They seem to be evidence that the economy is really significantly down shifting. And we did have some revisions, including to June, which showed that there was a monthly drop in jobs. It's actually the first monthly drop that we've seen since the pandemic. So it's pretty significant.
And I do think it is evidence that we're seeing the effect of President Trump's economic policies on the economy, the effect of tariffs on businesses, the effect of immigration, immigration raids, reducing the labor supply, also the effect of shrinking the government, reducing jobs in that sector as well. David Urban, do you think that's what we're seeing? Hey, look, Anderson, I far be for me to opine on macroeconomic issues. Let me just tell you, I do know that the jobs reported was disappointing, but it's only one part of the overall snapshot on the economy.
I would say also, look at GDP and Q2. GDP increased to 3%. What does that mean? For folks who really don't track that, GDP is a measure of what is produced here in America in goods and services.
So there were 3% more growth of goods and services in America during Q2. Also year to date, the stock market, the S&P's up about 10%. So this one bad snapshot of a bad jobs report, I think, is it odds with the other reports of an otherwise growing, somewhat growing economy? Paul, the President tried to blame the job numbers on high interest rates, quote, what he called, different elements not being included in the jobs data.
Do you think that's going to work? No. No. But, uh, Urban makes a good point.
Most people don't live in the macro economy. They live in the macaroni and cheese economy. Let me tell you, the macro economy under Trump's stakes. It's things.
Hamburger alone. Hamburger. Not raised for boys. I bought tons of hamburger in my life.
$6.25 and 25 cents pound. It's about $5.50. We took off. It's the highest in the history of hamburger.
So you think, well, okay, maybe we'll become vegetarians. Oh, vegetable prices are up 40% at the wholesale level because of Mr. Trump's tariffs and his deportations. He has, he has caused jobs to go down and costs to go up.
By the way, electricity, that's a huge issue. That's up 10% nationwide and a lot more in some places because of Mr. 64,000 jobs in wind and solar because he's been canceling projects that are good projects, producing jobs and producing energy, cheap energy. So housing, healthcare, food, energy, they're all going up while jobs are going down.
This is disastrous politically for the Republicans. David, I'm the president was more, I guess, measured in his reaction to today's numbers. I mean, frankly, he doesn't have anyone left to accuse of rigging the data right now, giving you the fire of the Bureau of Labor today's his commission after last month's report. Is that why he was sort of more muted?
Yeah, look, you know, I think BLS numbers are always, you know, Anderson, I've been on your show many times with Paul and others. You know, they go up, they go down. They revised, you know, they're big numbers and they get revised two months later. I can't really tell what's heads or tails on that.
And so what's Paul is correct, though, real Americans don't pay attention to those numbers. What they pay attention to is the number of the pump, what they're looking at the grocery cart when they go to check out. And we're going to have a big test of that. We're coming up here in the midterms in the fall of 26 and that's going to be the first really big test for this administration.
And if the numbers, if the numbers that Paul's talking about, the macaroni and cheese numbers, don't get better. Republicans are going to be in for, you know, in for a loss of the ballot box because people, people reflect that when they go to vote. They are angry when the economy is bad and they're happy when the economy is good. So the macroeconomics may not care, but as Paul points out, the macaroni and cheese economics will matter.
Well, not me to the industries that the president champions in many of his speeches, construction manufacturing, they lost jobs in this latest report. David mixed point, you know, things go up and down. But do you have a sense of why President Trump's tariffs, which are intended to help domestic manufacturing build new factories, are not boosting these industries? Yeah, it's kind of an awkward fact for the president.
Manufacturing in this recent report lost 12,000 jobs. It's a trend we've seen for several months now. It's really healthcare that was propping up the job numbers, hospitality and restaurants. And I think, you know, manufacturing like a lot of other trade exposed sectors is dealing with a lot of uncertainty from tariff policies.
So, you know, companies are just not certain which way things are going to go for them. They're waiting on hiring. They might be waiting on big purchases like machinery. So there are just as a lot of uncertainty for manufacturers, not much evidence yet in this jobs report of this manufacturing expansion that the president wants to see.
Paul, Democrats have been, you know, very critical, obviously, the big, beautiful spending bill. Do you think people have begun to see what Democrats say would be the negative impacts of that? I think so. I think they need to keep pushing that.
And they need to explain to people, by the way, they need to call for repealing Mr. Trumps tariffs, right? Tariffs are taxes. Taxes are paid by American citizens.
That's why your stuff is costing more. And this big, beautiful bill is cutting healthcare especially, but also various other things that people need. We're going to see an example. Dig, right.
We've got off your elections in New Jersey and Virginia. So I live in Virginia now. And the Democrat running, I'm Dale Spamberger, Congresswoman, is running against Trump's layoffs because a lot of Virginians serve their country. And a lot of those Virginians got laid off and Republican nominated to incumbent lieutenant governor.
She seems, she came on CNN and she seemed to poo poo and said it wasn't really an important issue. So Spamberger's running an ad, attacking that. Meanwhile, the Republicans running an ad, the same thing attacking transgender Americans. We'll see which one works.
I'm betting heavily, by the way, on the cost-of-living economic argument, winning against the kind of tired, single, retread attacking transgender Americans. David, I mean, do you buy this Democrat already? I mean, that, you know, people are going to start to see results, negative results from the spending bill, and that's going to make a real impact Republican. Yeah, look, Anderson, it is all yet to be written.
What people are seeing right now, I do know, is that if you're in the service industry, if you work as a waiter, waitress, bartender, if you work in a barbershop, it's a lawn, if you get any of your income from tips, right, that's all now tax-free money. And that is retroactive at the beginning of the year. When I talk to people, real people in real America and ask them if they know that, half of them don't know it. They're surprised when I tell them that.
And they're even more surprised when I tell them that, guess what? Not one Democrat voted for it. Not one Democrat helped you get that more money in your pockets. If Republicans continue to message that, you know, Trump is great at getting these small coalitions, two, three, four percent here, five percent there.
I think, you know, people will laugh at this, you have to see on the lawn coming up. All these are three, four, five percent and that's how the guy wins. He builds these coalitions that are incredibly unique and diverse and Democrats, you know, whistle past the graveyard and some of this stuff. David Urban, Anaswand, I appreciate it.
Al-Bagala is well coming up next. That new reporting about RF-Gainade Jr's plans to announce a potential link between Tylen All-Use and Pregnancy and All-Atonism. Dr. Sanjay Gupta has been looking at medical reports on this.
He joins us. Also, how is this very pay bump? Tesla's board, weighing a compensation package that couldn't make Elon Musk the world's first trillionaire? The plan is super ambitious and that is what motivates Elon.
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According now, the report expected this month in the Department of Health and Human Services is likely to suggest as being among the potential causes of autism, low levels of folate and important vitamin and Tylenol taking during pregnancy. People familiar with the matter said. Now the piece goes on to know that this report is not in its final form and not the product of any new research. Quoting again, Kennedy's report is expected to be a review of existing research.
People familiar with the matter said, scientists say conducting rigorous research on the causes of autism can take years. The journal correspondence added, quote, the report is expected to suggest other potential causes of autism and suggest further study. People familiar with the matter said, we want to get some perspective now from Sanjay Bennett, Dr. Sanjay Gupta.
So, Sanjay, what do we know about Tylenol and pregnancy and is there a proven direct link to autism? There's not a proven causal linked autism, but at the same time, this is not coming totally out of the blue, Anderson. I mean, there have been conversations about potential links between Tylenol or acetaminophen same thing and all sorts of neurodevelopmental things, including ADHD and autism. Going back 10 years or so, we've been reporting on it.
The thing is, those are really hard studies to do because you imagine you have a child born with autism and then you go, who's diagnosed with autism, you go back and you ask mom, hey, did you use Tylenol during pregnancy? When did you use it? You typically don't remember that sort of thing. So hard study to do.
And also, Tylenol is really ubiquitous. There's this thing called the paradox of ubiquity. When something is more common, it's actually harder to study in some ways because there's so many things that could be related to that. Why did you take Tylenol?
Was it the fever? Maybe the fever is actually the culprit. You get the idea. I will say in 2019, there was a study that we reported on that specifically decided to look at cord blood, umbilical cord blood, and measure how much acetaminophen was in the cord blood and then use that to see if there was some sort of link or association with autism.
And they did find Anderson that the highest levels of acetaminophen in that umbilical cord blood was associated with higher rates of subsequent autism. So this is sort of what I think fueled a lot of these studies. In August of this year, just a month ago, there was a huge meta-analysis of 46 different studies. And in 27 of those studies, again, they found an association between acetaminophen use during pregnancy and subsequent diagnosis of autism.
But I keep using this word association, which you're very familiar with. That is not cause and effect. In fact, one of the researchers said, look, it's like in the summertime, more people eat ice cream and in hot weather, there's more violent crime. Both those things happen.
There's no cause and effect, but they would be considered to be associated in some ways. It's kind of like what we're talking about here as well, Anderson. So I mean, if you are a pregnant woman, are going to be how concerned should you take Tylenol? Again, this is something that the obstetricians have been thinking about for a long time, more than a decade because of these potential links.
And ACOG, which is the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology, they released a statement today in response to this. And they said acetaminophen has long been established as a safe pain reliever for pregnant women during pregnancy. There is no clear evidence that proves a direct relationship between prudent use of acetaminophen during pregnancy and fetal developmental issues. So the pro-developmental disorders in particular are multi-factorial and very difficult to associate with a singular cause.
I think what they've always said is that first of all, fever is a problem during pregnancy. You do want to treat a fever. That could be more problematic. And also if you're using Tylenol to use the lowest dose for the shortest amount of time.
I think where this is headed, Anderson, is this idea that there are probably autism genes. And so there are children who are born with a propensity for autism and there may be some environmental triggers sort of pushing them over the edge. And that's where the research in Tylenol sort of came from. But at this point, it is nothing more than association.
Dr. Santu, thanks so much. We appreciate it. So the world's richest man could soon become the world's first trillionaire.
That's with a T. That's Elon Musk with President Trump back in the house. He on day is when he was basking the glow with President's admiration and turned the South along with the White House into a Tesla showroom. That was a long time ago, it seems.
We learned today that Musk could get a pay package from Tesla worth up to $900 billion. Now, that offer from the company's board would be the biggest pay package in corporate history. And they say it's that high in order to incentivize Elon Musk to focus his attention and talents on Tesla. You're seeing ends, Haddas, go with more.
I think obviously there should be a conversation for if there's something incredible that's done, the conversation should match. That's something incredible was done. It seems the Tesla board took that to heart, laying out an ambitious list of targets Elon Musk would need to hit to get the biggest pay package in corporate history, made up of 423.7 million Tesla shares worth around $900 billion if Tesla hits those targets. Those include increasing Tesla's overall valuation eightfold to $8.5 trillion, deliver 20 million Teslas, 1 million autonomous robotaxies, 1 million autonomous optimist robots, and stay a Tesla for at least seven and a half years.
Under the plan, Musk would also end up owning just over a quarter of Tesla voting shares. Musk has previously made it clear that he used his pay package as a reflection of his leadership at Tesla. It's not a money thing. It's a reasonable control thing over the future of the company, especially for building millions, potentially billions of human-robotts.
I can't be sitting there wondering to get tossed out by political reasons by activists. Tesla has suffered slumping sales and a volatile stock price from increased competition and consumer backlash to Elon Musk's work with President Donald Trump's administration. You can't be penalized for being a patriot, and he's a great patriot, and he's also done an incredible job with Tesla. And their eventual falling out.
Notably, Tesla's plan does not place any restrictions on outside activities, including politics. Musk had previously announced plans to start a new political party. Tesla noted in its filing that during negotiations, Musk threatened to leave the company and pursue other interests that may afford him greater influence. The plan is super ambitious, and that is what motivates Elon.
So in coming up with a plan that will incentivize, have his time, focus and attention on Tesla, we need it to come up with a plan that was super ambitious. Tesla shareholders will get a chance to have their say and vote on the plan on November 6th. Hadas Gold, CNN, New York. Well, our chief data analyst Harry Ensign is going to help understand some of the numbers at play here because they are kind of mind-boggling.
First of all, how is the company performing? Yeah, this is going to be the whole key question in order to get to the trillion-dollar payday. He's going to really have to turn Tesla around because if you look at the last quarter, their net profits were down considerably from where they were a year ago. What are we talking about?
We're talking about a drop of 16%. And more than that, yes, there is increased competition in electric car space, but it's also the fact that Elon Musk himself became an unpopular guy by being associated with Donald Trump, and that may Tesla, an unpopular company. I mean, the net favorable rating of Tesla, look at that, minus 20 points? That's horrible.
I mean, I think a lot of effort by Elon Musk and Tesla as well to sort of turn the company around. I'm trillion dollars, it's a mind-boggling sum. How does it compare to? Yeah, I mean, look, we can make two comparisons in the modern day, right?
We can compare it to the median American, right, in terms of their net worth, and what we're looking at is, get this. I got to have trillion dollars. That is 8 million. 8 million times more than the median US adult.
That's 8 million with an M. And it's four times as much as Jeff Bezos, who, of course, is a very rich man. So the bottom line is getting to a trillion dollars, that to me would be insane. And that is a comparing history.
Yeah, how does it compare to history? This is one of my favorite slides, right? Here's the richest man in history. I mean, it was Rockefeller, right?
But Rockefeller's worth even taking into account inflation by GDP. Look at that, with $650 billion that I speak. And Andrew Carnegie, or Carnegie as we might say in New York City, 375 million. So Carnegie, if we're watching the American experience, Carnegie, if we're in New York and we want to get a nice Jewish daily.
All right. Thank you. Thank you. We have an next name, Mark, we'll report on a SEAL Team 6 operation against North Korea.
I really know when publicly knew about this, how it went wrong and how the president answered this question about it today. Can you say if the administration has engaged with North Korea on that instance that happened recently? A fascinating investigative report out today by The New York Times reads like a Hollywood action movie, the headline, how a top secret SEAL Team 6 mission into North Korea fell apart. Now, this operation, according to Times, was, took place ahead of this 2019 summit between President Trump and Kim Jong-un.
And it had one major objective to plant a high-tech electronic device on North Korean soil and try to intercept Kim Jong-un's communications. It was incredibly risky. This takes for very high considering how volatile the regime in North Korea is and their nuclear capabilities. Things definitely did not go as planned.
Unarmed North Koreans were killed and the mission has never been reported on until now. According to The New York Times, President Trump approved the training for the operation and gave approval to undertake it. Today he was asked about it in the Oval Office. There's some new reporting on North Korea in this Navy SEAL incident in 2019.
Can you say if the administration has engaged with North Korea on that instance that happened recently? And can you share some of that? I don't know anything about it. I'd have to.
I could look, but I know nothing about it. Can you confirm that it happened? I'm joined now by one of the reporters on the byline day at the Phillips National Correspondent of the New York Times. David Incredible reporting on this.
Can you just walk us through the overall step by step of the mission, how it went wrong? Because obviously the planning was intricate and involving a huge submarine that got very close in North Korean waters to shore and then actually sending seals onto the land. Yeah, my colleague Matthew Cole and I uncovered this. Basically the plan was to send a massive nuclear powered submarine about two football fields long right up to the North Korean coast and then release two mini subs, another about the size of the like a killer whale.
And those would go almost to the shore. There they released a small team of Navy SEALs who would swim to the shore and plant this electronic listening device. Now the seals expected to get in and out unseen. And that was critical because if they got caught that could spark a hostage situation or escalating tensions with like you said, a nuclear power or a nuclear armed adversary.
So they expected to get in and out unseen. But what they didn't notice is as they were on their way to the shore, a very small fishing boat or open hold boat came into the area. The seals at the shore only noticed when they were on land almost that this boat was there. The boat seemed to be right on top of where they had parked their mini subs and they were really in a tight spot at that point because if these boats discovered their subs and called in authorities, they might not get out.
And so the seals who had not yet planted the device made a quick decision to shoot everybody on the boat. And that's what they did. They said it was two or three people. Now the seals then swam to the boat to make sure everyone was dead.
And there they found that these weren't security forces. They didn't find any guns or uniforms to suggest that. What they found is that these were probably just locals out fishing trying to get something to eat who'd been caught up in this really top secret mission that they knew nothing about. They disposed of the bodies to make, actually puncturing their lungs to make sure that they didn't float to the top so that they sank.
They were able to get out, the seals were able to get out safely. And then according to reporting, North Korean military assets kind of swarmed the area soon after they left. But they got away safely. Do the North Korean government ever say anything about this?
The North Korean government has never said anything that we can find publicly or through diplomatic channels that we know of. Now they did seem to know that something had happened there because as you said, there was an increased military activity right there right after this operation. Did they know that these people have been killed by seals or what the seals were there to do? That's not clear to us.
I'm not sure that's clear to the US government. Yeah, you pointed out the bullets weren't traceable. The guns weren't traceable. Apparently the company allegedly could figure out where their origin would be.
At least that was the plan. It's one of the details just struck me. And it just seems like a nightmare. I mean, it shows the scale of the seals and the bravery.
They were underwater in these mini subs that were actually filled with very cold water, water at about 40 degrees. And they had to stay in these subs that were full of very cold water for like two hours on their way to the site. Right. It's cold.
It's dark. You're cramped together. You're breathing through a scuba mouthpiece just like you would be swimming and you're surrounded by water. There's no dry in there.
And that's part of what was a very complicated and difficult mission. And so one of the things we really focused on in the story is this is all risk reward. The United States wanted to have a better understanding of the thinking of Kim Jong-un and his officials. They had this chance to plant this device, but then you have to think of the risk.
Here's a difficult mission. And the costs of a potential failure are vast. Now President Trump, who's in charge of making that decision, ultimately decided to go forward. And according to reporting, you were reporting he personally approved it and did so without notifying key members of Congress.
The time was made clear that it didn't just casually publish the story. You withheld some sense of information. Can you explain to people why your sources felt it was important to talk to you about this? The most important thing is accountability.
The seals have this Superman type of reputation in our culture. And a lot of that's deserved. They've done some really important difficult missions. But there's a lot of failures out there that are classified that nobody ever learns about, including policymakers.
And so someone like President Trump or Congress or another president may think, oh, I can rely on the seals to do this and really not have an idea of how mixed their record is. So not only that, but there are real questions of what influenced this had on nuclear negotiations. In 2009, there seemed to be real progress happening after this mission. No more progress.
I think that the country doesn't really speak. And North Korea has tested more missiles in the last couple years than ever. Yeah. It's a fascinating account in the New York Times.
They have a really appreciated thing very much. So speaking of Congress, we'll take off in a moment. He's warning that the obsessions with their phones and all things digital and particularly the coming AI is consuming not only America, but particularly our kids. And there's only going to get worse.
Here's what you're going to hear what he says. It needs to be done to reverse this or slow it down at least. Comedian Craig Ferguson is going coast to coast to unpack what it really means to be an American today. What could possibly go wrong?
Craig Ferguson, American on purpose. New series premieres May 39 on CNN and next day on the CNN app. Tonight, Massachusetts Democratic Congressman Jake Ockencloss is sounding the alarm and how tech companies and corporations are spending billions of dollars to essentially reach inside our kids' brains and give them dopamine hits that keep them glued to their screens. He warns it's about to get much worse with artificial intelligence and much more addictive.
And young people will be increasingly living in an AI-generated world rather than connecting with the real world. In a New York Times op-ed this week, Representative Ockencloss is writing not just as a dad with three young children. He says, but as a lawmaker who wants to try to do something about it. Congressman Ockencloss points me now.
I really found it really important what you wrote. And as a father of two little kids, I am freaked out about this as much as it sounds like you are potentially as well. I'm wondering what, can you just explain what you see as the problem? Interesting.
Good evening. Thanks for having me on. For the last 15 years, the tech titans have been announcing the next smartphone, the newest app, and they've been breathlessly promising the future. And now I've got three little kids.
I know you've got two young sons as well. And I'm on the committee of jurisdiction over these companies. And I'm asking, is this actually the future that we want? Because the future that they have built is one in which they are hijacking the reward system of our brains.
They are cutting out the real world and using software to directly deliver dopamine hits that addict Americans. And it's most acute for our young people. Because young people's reward systems are most sensitive and their judgment is the most immature. And we're seeing this as young men get routed towards online gambling, towards social media, towards pornography in a way that's really hurting their prospects in the jobs market, in the marriage market, and is depriving our country, I think, of real cultural vitality.
And Americans can choose a different future. This status quo is not one that is for our day. And we can choose differently and we must. It's interesting though, because you talk to folks in the AI industry and they very much believe that there is this arms race.
And if American companies don't win the AI arms race, a Chinese company is going to win it. And it may be a malicious actor, not good for maybe even worse than whatever may happen here. But it seems to me an experiment that we don't really know the results of. I mean, what does it mean to be a little kid now who's going to grow up in a world where you won't be able to tell anything is what is real and what's not, a video image, a still photograph?
Something small like that, which just seems like, oh, we're looking at these cool artificial intelligence videos. But if you can't tell what's real and there are no facts anymore because everything can be disputed and made up, what does that do to people? What does that do to society? That's right.
And the social media corporations that platform these relationship bots and these synthetic videos and photographs have no legal liability. This is the kind of legal liability that you have Anderson as a reporter. They have none of it. So they have no skin in the game whatsoever.
That's a law that Congress passed. That's a law that Congress can change and we should. This is not an anti-technology point of view. I was the director of MIT's entrepreneurship competition.
Massachusetts is a fulcrum of technology and whether it's biology or climate action or AI-powered robotics. We need a lot of technology to build a kind of future we want. What's the legislative thing? I mean, energy.
I mean, if there is an arms race and you don't want to slow down innovation. Yes. Let me give you an example of what we need to do differently. So just this week, Google settled in court or the court found that under US antitrust laws, Google needed to share some data with its competitors.
And I would say that to the average American, that means nothing. Whether Google shares its search data with another company is not solving any problem that average American has. That's because the law in question was from the 19th century. We need to update our laws to directly regulate what we want less of.
We need to start treating digital dopamine not as an issue of business practice but as an actual medical phenomenon and have the consumer product safety commission directly evaluate digital dopamine to guide adults' use and to restrict children's use. Because ultimately, this is warping the cognitive development of our young people. And these tech companies are warping those brains for profit. You see Mark Zuckerberg has internal documentation that says it's appropriate for 12-year-olds to have quote, sensual conversations with AI bots.
I don't want my kids having conversations with Mark Zuckerberg's AI bots. Congressman Aukenkos, everybody reads your piece in the time so much. Coming up next, the historic moment that's expected this weekend at the Vatican when a team known as God's influencer will become the Catholic Church's first millennial saint. History is going to be made in St.
Peter's Square at the Vatican on Sunday. That's when a teenager becomes the Catholic Church's first millennial saint. St. Christopher Lamb has more.
God's influencer. An Italian teenager who is a computer whisker and loved video games. Carlo Cutis will become the first millennial saint. Now when people think of saints, they often imagine men with beards and robes and something from the past.
Carlo Cutis, as you can see, is someone who was laid out with jeans and trainers. So he's a very relatable saint. And at a time when the Catholic Church is seeking to connect with a younger generation, this figure of Carlo Cutis has a lot of resonance today. He died age 15 of leukemia in 2006 and has developed a global following.
He's just like a regular teenage guy and he had the same interest. He like sports. He liked the internet of course. And so he really represents young people.
I feel like I have a closer connection to him because I was born on the year that he died and I had the same hobbies as him and on Instagram I try to spread the gospel as best as I can. Carlo's pastor saint has been swift, but his mother Antonio said he wasn't raised in a religious household. His faith partly nurtured by his Polish nanny. I was converted by my son.
He was my savior. He grew up in a wealthy family, but used his privilege position to help others, donating pocket money to the homeless, while setting up a website to document reports of miracles. Candidates for saint had usually needed two miracles attributed to their intercession. Carlo's included a reported healing of a Brazilian boy with a birth defect and a young woman from Costa Rica injured in a bicycle accident in Florence.
Interest in a cutis is global. His tomb here in a CC received almost a million visitors last year and an official shrine has been set up in Pennsylvania. Carlo's mother describes him as a normal child who enjoyed playing on his playstation and made videos of his family pets. He also stood up for pupils being bullied at school.
Antonio believed his message can resonate with young people today. He's a messenger of hope because Carlo says yes, you have to use for the good. This is the way the way the Pope Francis called Carlo influencer of God. He's got to call her a cutis.
Acoustics canonization comes as the church is still reeling from the damage done by the scandals of clerical sexual abuse of children. But also when research shows a rise in interest in Catholicism among Gen Z. Many of whom are expected in Rome to witness this video gaming teenager being declared a saint.