Was the 2025 NBA Draft Lottery Rigged?

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J appreciate it best performance of the week We gonna talk about this table. I gotta highlight, you know when you when we do shows like this We gotta promote black men, you know saying it and I know I get criticized a lot for not doing that but coming from one of the best Cities in the world, you know, I'm saying as far as what he's represented We got New York City. We have the Jalen Brunson of New York next for game four. He dropped 39 points should have been 40 But he missed the free throw so he should have a 40 burger, but 39 points 12 assists So he's not just a score, but he's also a true point guard He did it on the Celtics even though a lot of people took away from that game of Jason Taylor's injury The next one we're not a matter what and it's on the back of Jalen Brunson is probably arguably I'm gonna make a conversation in here.

Can I say a jayla bucks is on a trajectory of greatness right now? And if he does what I think you can do this year, we don't have to have a conversation I want to highlight his best performance a week was just this past yeah this past Sunday Or no yesterday Monday for going against the Celtics. Oh, yeah shut up to run running the rest of the viewer game. All right All right, yeah, shut up to the gentleman Brunson, you know happy for that brother keep doing your thing bro Let's jump into somebody that is not they are not doing their thing and that is done of a Mitchell.

Don't do that. Can't do it. No The Cleveland Cavaliers took another ugly loss against the Indiana Pacers on Sunday night 129 to 109 at one point they were down by 44 points and tonight they are facing elimination No One to three where injuries the reason why the cows postseason run may get cut short Do we need to have a conversation about Donovan Mitchell and how teams have tried to rebuild around him? He was trying to like his camera was frozen The question was specific people in listen which one you want to ask the first we're interested in all of Interest play a factor in every postseason run, you know, you can't it's a part of sports.

However, losing your starting five for a good chunk of this series is nuts So I will give him that that context is people's favorite word on the show about but I do think that the way Donovan Mitchell plays as great As I think he is and the greatest he's shown himself to be because I think he's averaging like 34 points Five rebounds and a little over four assists the game in this series He he it does become a one-man show and it doesn't help the rest of the team when he goes off for like 40 and 50 You know I'm saying so it's weird to say like to tell your player not to do that because Obviously you want your star player to do star things But if it takes away from the rest of the team and doesn't really get them involved I think that's what we can see it in the series where it's just like if it's not Donovan Mitchell is nobody So um, I do think that that game that they lost at home where they were up pretty much that whole game even without Garland and Moby they should have got that game and should be and we should be looking at a tied series right now instead of an elimination game but I don't think it's bad to build around Donovan. I just don't think he has never had like a true all-star with him So you gotta get you got to criticize him for the losses But you also compare him to other teams. They have a one and one a or like one and solid number two Who's indies one b huh? And he's second best player pass the outcome his NBA champion He's an NBA champion Is he an all-star he's a perennial all-star.

He's not a perennial all-star. He's one multiple He went to the hospital. Do you understand what perennial means right? Yeah multiple all-star appears No, no, it means damn near every year every year just pencil him in And he wasn't in it.

He wasn't that this year? No Three all-stars Almost had four Yeah Your whole argument was that the image don't have no help and we're telling you how to say that I didn't say that I said I said I said That if we want to criticize out of the mission was you right to do that, especially in the losses But I don't believe he has a legit one one a or what a number a solid number two on this team Now you People you brought the point of like all stars all that stuff. That's fine. I They can't have multiple all-star.

I was no I brought up the NBA champion and see I can put you as the who's indies number No, no, you said you your own words and we could rewind and do what you got to do You said that demons don't have another all-star player with him and then I asked you I proceeded to ask you well Who is indies second best player and it's the outcome Or yes, so you don't you don't think that Mobley and Garland are better players They're not no, I don't think so I don't think so I don't know a lot of people have a lot of hypo moldy and all that stuff But he's hype he can do this a better year. So is the way hard Why how would the NBA finals and your house a Hall of Famer? So you think that Mobley is gonna be in that mold if he was more defensive player to use I have to see more from Mobley. I don't know if Mobley would get to Dwight Howard status because that Dwight Howard was a baller like that was I don't think so again if I want to take all right I can take back that point about the all-star things I was wrong on that But if you want me to just look at this cast bar that's the feel like the reason why I didn't really trust this cast bar because when you look at All the pieces granted they were winning all these games where they had the best record and all that they were you know Doing all this stuff, but we all looked at it or most of us looked at it I'm gonna say all of us and say that like this team doesn't look like it has that Factor you know why because I have a number one.

That's what we avoid and you avoid answering that you saying he needs help But the the true thing to that is he is the help he needs to be robbing someone Yeah, but he ain't Batman like that We keep trying to act like in Utah and even here if this dude can lead a team to a championship and he can't He ain't got that well He do got that dog in him, but he ain't the person that you need to be Depending on as a number one starter if you plan on winning a championship If you want to have a good regular season like the calves did yeah, especially if you got good pieces like Mobley like Garland like Allen Yeah, y'all can have a good regular season, but when you get to the playoffs this is going to happen every time we've seen it You talk and we've seen it now. It's because he Mitchell is not a number one. He's a number two He's a really good number two. I don't really good number two And he probably win a championship if he went somewhere where there was a legitimate one and he was the legit too But as long as teams are expecting him to be number one and building around him like the question says it'll never happen See here's the thing and this is this is just the reality of the situation He's a small two-guard and what do I say when you have a small guard?

You got a pair with a big man now here's the thing I like every movie but I don't necessarily love every movie because the type of big man that he needs is a dominant big Right like let's just say like a Joker and be The two hot Great A D when be you want me keep going you're going you're name it your name and players who are literally either the greatest at their positions or Already lock in that Donate because everybody go with a championship you could look at Charles Barkley how great he was he never won a championship Why because who was the second best player when he was great and Phoenix Dan Marley Asian Kevin Johnson Kevin Johnson was a baller But but he was on the decline like he wasn't the guy like that right like who was the second best player so all I'm so Hall-timer so many titles Oh what I'm saying is is that you need a 1A and a 1B and the Mitch is 1B He doesn't play with a 1A yet, and if he's gonna be your 1A you're not gonna win a championship That's what we've been telling you for years now Damn So it was book though. I don't know. I'm not even gonna bring up. I ain't gonna break Booker and book her and Mitchell are looking in the mirror What you got?

I mean I really hate that we doing Mitchell like this Because I do like Mitchell My thing with players is just let's just keep them where they need to be accurately placed You know and you know my shoes with Nick will be he was saying he's the best shooting guard in the lead Who better who better than him? You were saying he was better before he even accomplished anything right now. He's looking like a Well somebody put in the chat And be he ain't got past the second round either, you know and and he's supposed to be like one of the top If you're the one top guy then you know, I think there's the question of same energy I do like Donovan Mitchell He's asked some good playoff moments and he has some does like he blew a 3-1 lead in the playoffs before to Denver I believe he shot horribly in that game. I don't know if you guys remember that, you know, so So yeah, I think there's a And this year it's hard to really evaluate Donovan this year Because we cannot ignore the injuries that they suffered like in the first couple of games of this series That is contest that we need and that is just a fact You know losing Garland and Mobley for game one and then you know game two and then garlic We really don't know how healthy he was he played awfully game four.

He's not it was an unfactor, you know So I think that played a factor early, but in how they got behind the series But where Donovan Mitchell is that fault is when he lost that game the second game It's like you said that was the one that they absolutely needed to have he had a turnover And then one of the other guys had a turnover and what happens is when you lose Garland you lose Mobley key pieces Then you got to play Tajaron who's been great all year then you got to play all these other white other guys I was playing all these other guys man and they're role players and they fit within how this team is structured but the the calves if we look kind of struggle a little bit towards the end of the season they lost a lot of momentum so Interest played a big part I think Donovan needed to at least get them one while they were hurt to get them a chance to get healthy Which is what the words have been trying to do themselves. Yeah, and fell in his room You say he was the best tool is and it was a two he is. Oh, I just say that. Yeah, I'll tell the new oh This This place when it was he was on his anti-devin Booker That's a tool right?

Let me ask you let me ask you a question Also talk about the Pacers because I think someone mentioned in the reddit thread or whatever the paces either Is that a one or two if you had to pass it he's one step is a point going you say he's a point. Okay. He's going point guard Yeah, that's my very was a scoring point guard. Yeah, and he he moves the team is a fluid team They run a motion office.

So the ball does not stay in his hands as much He's not a ball dominant point guard. Be still a point guard. What do they want us to talk about the paces for? They potentially about to go to back to back Eastern Conference Finals and no one really thinks that they I think it's hard for them to pace no one care about the place I still remember Danny Granger and everybody holding out hopefully Danny was my figure back in the day, but he could never stay healthy for the same as the life They still even back then okay, and forgive me because I cannot remember when they feel like they're a field Because you got you had the nicks and the bulls and basketball people that when they have guys that we cared about like You know like the names that we knew like what Paul George became a name, you know, any Granger niggas right people Now we used to talk about it.

Yeah, they want him to be like that line up was it was stacked. It was like People who had Roy ever did it stop fine. Tensiony I watched that video Are you crazy as hell? It was like he was supposed to be that guy He was it was like Aaron Collins is there in Collins Paul George Danny Granger.

Who was there? Um It was the dude who he's a play for the one is with Chris Paul. He was a dog He went to the exhibit and Cincinnati so I'm David West and then Roy here but that was Was it Austin crochet on that squad too? Yeah, I think so What happened with what happened with what happened with where he was a game like Steph Curry happening like the game changed He got he got good Big man focus to stuff so I come in here What about the paces right now because they are going to the second ec of Halliburton clearly is on a mission to prove a lot of people is wrong They don't have they again very much like last year.

It's like everybody Yeah, and can't score and they when you look at them you're like, okay, how like why we worried about this thing But why why can't everybody score and that's that's the mission that Tyree's Halliburton is on and he is the last of a dying breed In terms of being a peer point guard because you look at see I could write like see I come here's the thing that When I was giving you them looks when you was mentioned as the outcome I don't think see outcome is a fun by no means he is a guy that you need in this mba to be competitive Because he's the guy that's guarding Jason tatum. He's the guy that's guarding kd He's the guy guarding LeBron. He's the guy guarding those guys that you need to be able to guard and compete at that level So to me, he's a championship role player, but a role player fringe all star not a perennial all star fringe all star He has a good year cool. He's all star if he has a normal year He's not you know what I'm saying, but you need those type of guys can but Tyree's Halliburton is the engine that moves this train down the track Bro, and he serves everybody up pause in terms of getting them cheesy buckets Hey, hey, hey, I caught myself But now he um, he just like to uncookos they call him the waiter or he serves everybody up He makes buckets easy for everybody to get who the hell is nim hard Like like would he really be even a name if he played for any other team in the mba No, but because he plays with a pure point guard and that's a 3nd guy he gets easy buckets See, I'm bro in the last five six minutes of this game He had three easy layoffs all off of Tyree's Halliburton Tyree's Hallibur assess the table for these guys because these guys are really good role players But Tyree's elevates them and all of us is good I was gonna say and to add to what you're saying fifo he knows when and where to inject himself as well So you talk about a bemitch Yeah, the image will you know he go hard and he does part he could put the ball in the basket We know he can score the basketball But what are you adding to making other people around you better now?

I agree with you losing garland more than anything more than any other losses losing garland hurt because he took a lot of The pressure of the mention what he had to do in the back court and he could also put the ball in the basket score Now losing him and he's been even though he's played that turf toe has been His bother him tremendously you can tell in the way his game is going But for Halliburton even even take tonight for example this team was down almost 20 points Halliburton saw okay, well, they need me to score now and he started hitting big shots I think he's like 10 for 14 right now from the field And he's had a ton of big shots to bring them back in this game to to bring it to I think they were down three or four going into the half where they were they were down double digits his whole first half So knowing when and where to step up and when to get those buckets is just as important as going the basket And I don't think Don Quixo does a good job putting other people in position to be successful Because that's what those others out. Yeah He's a bucket getter. He's a scorer. That's why he can't be number one He could be a number one scoring option if he had a dominant big See because the issue with there is Garland is that he's a he's a smaller guard than be mentioned And that's the issue that lillard and C.

Jim McCollum had they can get exposed and that's what's happening here You see how tall Tyree's Halliburton is Tyree's is taller than them here everybody not named the center, you know, I've got a number 33 He's taller than everybody not named miles Turner and see a Can we give Ricardo some credit though? That's what I want to talk about that Ricardo Ricardo to help coach he wanted the best coaches in the league and I don't think people talk about it enough as far as how Good he is as a coach. He just asked on the people don't like him Immediately along with him. So they don't talk about him a lot but for him to even get this team I mean, yeah, they good and Tyree's Halliburton is good too I won't knock him there but he did keep voting as the second most overrated player in the league By the players what Ricardo is doing with this team for two years in a row like he is one of the coaches in league Yeah, um, no, I mean, you know good job by the end of my chest I really wish I had a chance to see the cows that full strength That's what I'm saying, you know, I think that's um, but you know, he's part of it.

Here's what it is I mean Kawhi Leonard won a check title because people were so who can you know, it just happens but also won a title because people That was a Monos It's a part of game. Let's get to the draft man. This has been a very interesting draft Uh that has happened because of all the drama that took place in the regular season So uh before the game last night before the self-disnitz game Uh, the NBA draft lottery took place and the top 15 picks were announced To everyone's surprise the number one overall pick is going to the gallest mavericks was the lottery rig Here are your top five Draft picks or teams picking in the draft next year draft elections You have Dallas and number one sanitones is picking second, Philly third charlotte fourth and utah Go ahead. What we doing?

We're here. This is conspiracy. I don't think it's a conspiracy can Um If if there was a year to talk about it, uh to prove your conspiracy right this may be the year But before we right before we got on air, I sent the picture to our uh Grouchat where in 2011 CP was traded to la and then they and then one has got the number one pick up in that Then ad was traded to la and then new one has got the number one pick was turning to zion Then they traded lupa to la and then Dallas got the number one pick which obviously gonna turn into a group of flat Call it. I don't know what to call it can um, am I gonna say that the league is conspiring to Go their way.

Do they have the power to do so of course? But do I think that they're doing that? I don't know, you know, um the powers that be One control, you know what i'm saying the best form of power is being able to control everything that you can and I think the league will like to control as much as possible Now, I'm not saying that they did but I'm just saying it's kind of curious that all of these things have transpired in the way that they did But here's the thing good for Dallas, you know, my my youngest brother lives out there I talked to him before to show now. I asked him, you know, how does the city feel?

Damn near forgot about Luca, you know what I'm saying? After that first run, c'mere, you know, you know what I'm saying? So, um, a lot of the things that we talked about Uh in last last year's finals and says Luca being out of shape. We seen him, you know, obviously miss to um Um, beginning of the season, I can't think of the damn name but like OTAs.

I'm thinking football. I can't think of basketball But like mini camp and all of that, you know, he missed both of those on two years in a row Um, he doesn't have the stamina that it takes to that that's required of a champion and we've seen that can get over the hump It's still, you know, so early in his career, but at the end of the day maverick has got the number one pick You know what's gonna happen and I'm kind of sort of happy for them But I think that puts Dallas in a very interesting spot, right? How often do we see a veteran team that's going for it have a rookie player be a contributor? Does it happen?

So does Dallas blow it up and trade ad and when kari gets, you know, healthy trade him or whenever he's available to be traded trade him And just you know rebuild around cooper flag and get as many assets as you could possibly get a la The Oklahoma City Thunder, you know, like is that the route because I don't know if cooper flag and the way that the Dallas Monetviks are presently constructed are truly a championship contender people you you said Already I answered that beginning In your scenario The trays how soon would you do that would you you would wait to see if cooper can play in the NBA, right? We know we Regardless if you can or if you can't a trading ad right now, you're gonna get the most that you can't form Why would you trade ad though? If you got a couple of flag coming in and he's a versatile player that can play multiple positions And I have ad who was a proven commodity in his league that instantly make their team But like not necessarily because it's not the NFL that like in the NBA rookies typically don't put you over the tipping point They just don't Not at all. He's the problem I have with that and I'm gonna get back to what I think about it But the problem I have with that though if he was last year you made it to the finals The reason for trading Luca was he wasn't in shape in ad is gonna help you get to the finals So why would you train away this year?

So honestly getting the first picker just a bonus for this team that was in the finals two years ago All you did was switch out one player which is looking at ad adding this rookie who's supposed to be NBA ready Should be the tipping point to help you win the NBA finals not trading away and start over Why would you blow it up? Give me context for a rookie that put a team over the tipping point of winning a championship Right right around though He was a second year. I was gonna say If your team is as good as magic Like I said, if you're often there's a team two years and one year removed from the finals get the first pick So in this case, you got it. So let's not blow it up You got the pick you look up to get the pick use it to your advantage by picking a player That's the player away.

He's not coming in to be the main guy. He's coming in to be a guy right now Give me a moment My thing is this is that when you have two completely separate timelines like that doesn't work We saw go to state and here's the thing right like I was real big on go to state already drafted Like the replacements, you know, the um the lights can do that once Washington. Hey, my bad with names I can do that once you watch until you got cool No, no, not cool Um Jordan pool um moody commingo all of those guys. I was like yo They got the old guys and they got the guys that's like there to take on the mantle and it just didn't work and it doesn't Good as flags Regardless spike all i'm saying is the history the NBA outside of a few exceptions because magic johnson is exceptional Right, we're gonna talk about magic in my power engines Well, magic johnson is exceptional right exception to the rule, but there's not many of those LeBron james came in as a rookie and took the worst team in the mba and made them viable and by I think the second or third year they were the playoffs right carmelo anthony was a really good rookie But there wasn't a championship contender.

He's rookie year It's like none of it was worked out because it wasn't as wise But like I said, the only thing you changed on his team is what you said it needed to be changed It's look good because he wasn't in shape. That was the Same squad. It's the same team. So i just got younger more athletic Same thing we don't know if coupe flag can play yet.

No, no, no, I'm talking about I'm talking about as far as moving luka in in ad it's the same team that made it to the championship a year ago That's the only change that was made was luka in ad so you add in coupe or flag to what is already there You're not losing anything. I mean that should is then from a ad is their guy, right? Like he's their flagship player for the Dallas Mavericks correct? You agree.

You're like ad has vehemently said he's not playing the five Hold on listen Cooper is naturally a four. He's not really a three You don't have the dexterity to play the three long-term or starting three in an NBA And the number one overall pit is gonna start he's gonna start. He's natural position is gonna be the four They're gonna struggle if he plays the three I've heard some of what the people is talking about and cute We talking about the the reaction to the NBA draft lottery and the selection that happened and how they play out with these teams Um, I think if cooper is as good as people say is he can play the three it ain't that much Is that much different? He has a handle to play three you know because because to me I'm not looking at like to come to Dallas because of course We're talking about when everyone's healthy with Kyrie and ad Cooper flag is the third option at best with Dallas if those if all three of them are healthy He's the number three option so they're not gonna ask gonna do too much like you mentioned people because he's a rookie plus You don't know what he can really do at this level.

So I'm not gonna put everything on him. However It says he's only 18 he young is fuck and he just grew an itch too So it's like I'm looking at him to continue to develop his game He's not a finished product So for me to say or for you to say that like oh, he's gonna be the naturally before anything else will be too much What about the draft lottery because we're gonna do that I don't think it's really I actually like the fact that Bum-ass teams got the got the no one's gonna see flag in Utah. No one's even Washington. No one's even charlotte.

Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. No That's right I know people talk about that picture where it says like every team that traded with LA or how to LA traded They actually got rewarded with number of our pick who gives the fuck you know saying cuz none of the teams even with them No one over all picks did do shit anyway No, I'm saying is I love the fact that we don't see Cooper flag in Dallas I wish he was in San Antonio, but I think San Antonio with that number two of our pick is part of most dangerous pick in the draft outside of the more And that's part of it as well to Nick you just proved a point you said you said why the draft is rigged So many people don't want to see the number one picking Charlotte or some of these other places Because it sounds good though with my greenberry made a good point But this is the best system as far as tanking is not going to get you the number one pick The NBA has a lottery system and it ain't guaranteed if you're the worst team that you're going to get the number one Pick so all they lose in Boise the Utah and Washington and Charlie tried to do it don't work We've seen several years at the worst team don't get the number one pick and it just this year's not a conspiracy theory It's they have a system that works to prevent steam from going out there trying to tank and thinking they're gonna get the number one pick I Utah I like Charlotte and other teams 1.8% chances not gonna hit like that all the time there's no ways definitely read First time that somebody with less than 3% chance I was just about to say that to cute there rose with Chicago is hometown in 2008 with a 1.7% change the New York Miami the Cleveland Cali's got no more pick so it's And then and then the other broad was a contention to go back because Wayne way knees was done they get another one pick again I mean Narrative if the governor of Florida is a brother to the president To get the fuck out of here, bro I like any anybody who looks at sports and genuinely believes with their Santa Claus Easter Bunny heart that there is no Invisible hand on any of this shit.

There is no business. There is no marginal thinking. There's no thinking about numbers and money Then you just kind of like Nah bro like you don't go to the strip club and think that the strip of likes you bro Like it's not real bro. There's certain things that are real and there's certain things and I think the players put a thousand percent Preparation into their bodies and I think that they go out there and I think that the best rate processes have people that believe it's a hundred percent real The same way we believe in our vote in this country as a whole separate topic But it's the same principle the best process is that our rig have people thinking that it is a thousand percent legitimate You cannot tell me now This is not a draft a deal that they propose to Dallas you cannot tell me that with Dallas Just getting the number one pick in the WNBA and now they got the best You know girl player in the last five years they get the best you know guy player in the last couple years in a draft This doesn't make any sense beyond the fact that it was all about the numbers They have to boost LA's economy the Lakers need a young stud for the next 10 years LeBron's out the way They told Nico following that sword and now they got Cooper flag who I don't even think it's gonna play a game in Dallas That's a whole separate topic and I think that I don't think he's always gonna play a game in Dallas I think that they're gonna trade that thing and I think it's y'all y'all the same conspiracy there She told me that he was trading looking dark.

He said like a silly team to see no one else I don't know the same people to the same people to the same that was me I never said that but that conspiracy is not actually proven wrong because the person said that they want to trade him Or they will build because you know you know I'm saying they like they were saying that we want him out of there Otherwise, I'm gonna diminish our power and we gonna move the team so it was some But my thing is who gives a fuck like let's give it a beam like who really gives you are you gonna stop watching NBA Because it's breaking is rigged not so I'm like that's how I'm like the whole point of being rigged the whole point of calling out bullshit Like that is to say that this is establishing a shit We shouldn't follow we shouldn't do anything because it's not it's not as authentic But if we're still gonna watch and consume and they still do the show that I don't really give a fuck I'm not saying I just you only talk about anybody else's conspiracy my main focus is the fact that like who's saying this is about teams We're taking and you want it yours is the franchise that we looking at out not the Eagles But the 76ers who that's it for a whole fucking decade ruining all those basketball careers just to get in beat and not get out the second round So that's wrong. It's like not rewarding That's cap because at the end of the day Charlotte is actually just bad. They're not taking Brother is a bad thing. Yeah, and they're not taking they can't get top name free Yeah, like Washington Washington Washington actually tried Washington actually try you talk actually tries like these are not I promise you they didn't just say yo, let's put a team of G-leaguers out there on the corn Because the rest of their players either got traded to better teams for better deals or they left in free agency So it's like you have to play the talent that you have and almost coming to Utah when your best player is marketing I think even with Cleveland like Cleveland before even a guy LeBron was like known as a trash organization Even with LeBron didn't achieve and he had to leave and he came trash again But they still retooled and rebuild and became a better organization I've seen Washington from the John wall days to the Gilbert Arena days.

They not want they didn't do shit. I've seen I've seen Utah have good success, but not lately But like we look at Charlotte with the one is like the last time they were really good was with Kimba Walker and even then they were just the first I was like You talk like a chat is saying you talk literally got fine for tanking They got right this year for some players that shouldn't be sitting with the good one Maybe I find them because they were sitting players like marketing. They shouldn't be sitting with boys and interests. They were tanking Indicates of Charlotte for example, which I'm definitely fam Getting the number one pick of something that should have come around boy So then it has because you're not gonna trap top name free agents without top picks If you get a coupe of flag to come to a charlotte team coming from Duke that helps that region of bro But at the same time the NBA is bigger than that Lurry bro, you don't say we deserve the number one pick because we had like the point of the lottery With silver chains it was you can't have the worst record and expecting no one pick and you telling me that you expect Charlotte to have a number one Yeah He changed Are gonna be teams that tank and there's gonna be teams that are just bad and there's gonna be markets that just don't attract free agents Let's be honest as a professional athlete and you're young to early the mid-20s Who and they write mind and say I want to go to Utah like like who's gonna who's gonna want to go to some of these?

Who's gonna say I want to go to OKC? Like no, I'm gonna do that. Are you suggesting that they have a right to tank because no free agents want to go there? No, no, no, no I'm not saying that they have a right to tank what I am saying is that some teams are just gonna be bad now some teams that are Tinking they should get fined the way that they got fined that was two years ago was Thinking yeah, I try to get a high draft pick so Philly for all those years that you brought up They was taking that should be abolished and or fine from the game Like that should not be the thing and that's also why they added the play it because now I'm off again You think that being number nine or ten you just gonna be in the lottery no sir You're gonna play for this playoff spot, you know what I'm saying?

So at the end of the day look is it conspiracy you can say it because it don't look right? It don't snow right so is it right? I don't know nobody here knows the inner workings of how they do it what companies that they have involved in all of that type of stuff You know because it's not just the NBA the NBA doesn't run the actual lottery It's a whole nother firm or something like that That you may sound even better for cute to say It's just an independent you don't know we don't have no Oh, yeah, no Even less you know makes it less you know But my point is that first of all I think the draft exists I think the draft I think that players should be allowed to leverage their towns on Open market. I've always said that if you actually want to talk to me about real real real real free markets sports Let's get real all this fucking bullshit about well I don't know where's rigor give me the best pick no make it put the fucking bread up Like I'm tired of this shit.

It's cool for flagship be able to pick where the fuck he wants to go amongst these teams and whatever biz the most You get to use a you say this for now. I'm not crazy. I'm not crazy. I'm not crazy Y'all want to everybody wants to be on this free market capital listen shit until it's on the bill It's a free market capitalism shit let these players as independent contractors pick where they want to go and make these owners pay the luxury This all this fucking app space all this shit is an illusion.

Just let this be as bear as possible Why there is a draft number one a lottery number two and why there's a rookie wage scale because they say so and they don't have to Know Big dog Lynn Robinson bro like this free this free market economy that you talking about for a rookie right big dog Sign one of the biggest rookie deals ever and then I live up to it now obviously he was a good player He was he wasn't the superstar that the money suggested that he was but he's a damn good player And also you look at the NFL when these quarterbacks were signed a hundred million out of college and they would they couldn't play so So you so so you're saying that you think that it's better It's a better product for the NBA for somebody like Cooper flag to be able to go sign with New York or go to state or wherever Go over the luxury tax and he'd be a bus. No I think that amongst the teams that had a mate. Yeah, I think you'd be able to bid for your talent I really do believe that I think all this is just smoking mirrors and we're all just playing bodies for white white White rules for no reason because we think that over cap space and all this shit I don't give a fuck about no cap space They have billions of dollars CEOs get appointed to positions every fucking year And then they have turned over the very next year because they can't produce the margins that they want in the actual company So you tell me that those people can go on the open market and leverage their talent But somebody who's the most sought after in a industry where their skill set is premium Can't do the same shit amongst 14 teams are in a lottery But you know the seat but you know about those CEOs they have a track record typically and that's not always true We just seen Lucian Grange appointed son to be the fucking CEO We're talking about the CEOs like the majority of the CEOs that you're talking about that move from company to company They have a track record of either cutting a whole bunch of niggas and increasing margins and if a business is Flailing that's what they mean. They're gonna go hire that person who the fuck is Cooper flag in the NBA We don't know what's called out across that what I understand all that but he has a zero track record in the NBA You don't know what he can do and you know what he can do he can he cannot sign the restrictive free agency Hey, and try to hit the open market if his team does a re-signal And then you know what and if his team does it is team does match if that was the size to match Then guess what happens he can become a free agent when it's time well That point is concerned we talk about the NBA is a business you got one champion in Thirty businesses as a whole all of you not don't agree with that Q is if you get placed in the business if you get you get job placement So they got a one kind of direct you where they want to go Just like if I get a job at Verizon for example, they're gonna tell me where I'm going to work And now I can later on put in business goes on well for the most part they go kind of direct me into direction I need so my close argument is that so we don't let these people tell us that we can get paid millions of dollars in college Being basically professionals and then turn around and say that hey, I know you have to now be selected by the worst teams To go work to go to work that makes no sense and all we're doing All right, no Trying to offer you the most money that's all right to go The thing is always that you're not actually advocating for the independent contract to maximize their value You're saying that this is the orthodoxy and that normally people who go against orthodoxy are punished by the orthodoxie So I'm saying is that we're doing a bunch of smoking weird They smear DJ for so many months before he even got to the draft because he is he good All I all I hear you always advocating for is the orthodoxy and how shit is always been and that's just not where I'm going I'm advocating for it q is that if you are a top prospect you have every option available to you the reason why you're Really Everything I just said you get punished you get run through the fucking I'm holding back, but you know what I mean by the word orthodoxy Good no, but the fact that we even have cap space and luxury tax and all this bullshit It's all just arbitrary rules to keep niggas in line And the thing is always that we need if you actually want if you actually want people to maximize their value the way that the ownership group can maximize their Value and gentrify entire neighborhoods to put some bullshit arena downtown somewhere Then these niggas that are high school prospects that are getting paid millions in college should be able to go pick What a fuck they want to go amongst the 14 losing teams.

That's what a fucking should be it I Say was this can't we can move on this first have the number two overall pick they could hardly go get yannes and pair of the windy That's the point. That's why they got it. That's what I want to see. I told you that's what they gonna do.

That's what I get it Alright, not gonna be sure So is the NBA draft lottery rig no, no, it is not I think the process is just flawed as many processes are Just some stats and we'll move on to a quick break And I saw this on CBS war is the team with the worst record is not picked number one since 2019 Teen with the worst record is now following the number five three years in a row and playing tournaments have now one consecutive lotteries Is both the mavericks in 2025 and hops is 2024 we suppose season is Intro but not the playoffs. It's just interesting that we're not in an uproar But the way we were when it happened with the hospital went up or because the mail's got the tray I just don't understand I guess it was read for the hot stew So anyway, let's move on Let's take a quick break man. We'll be right back with nothing. Hold on if you're looking for real conversations I'm motivations to be your best then you have to check out another week in the books another week in the books with Spike Lou Enrich is your going to podcast for growth and community Plenty of dope conversations take place week to week as they inspire each other to be better through conversations Another week in the books wherever you get your podcast Chilton you're up next We need to talk I want to talk about the The draft before you do that though Just a quick update on the game Did I have a mission mystery free throws?

Let's move on so we need to talk We need to talk about yeah, that's what need to be here if you We need to talk man, we need to talk about I don't know how to do it and wait on that to go by You can just it don't matter we need to talk about the Boston Celtics and Jason Taylor man We need to talk about the Boston Celtics because at the beginning of this season I think it was a foregone conclusion by a lot of people myself included that Boston was going to walk away with this NBA championship a dynasty was on the horizon and most people felt like Boston was The it city in basketball everybody was reaching towards them at the mountaintop. They were the only sure thing in this whole NBA situation Now here we are months later and They're pretty much done. They are done as far as we can see Jason Taylor had surgery today And Boston as we know it will not be the same by the time he comes back It's probably gonna miss a hole next year from what I'm understanding by the time he comes back There'll be no our hoofers. There'll be no holiday.

There will be no General Brown or Derek right at that point. So what's he coming back to we don't know? So is this the end of the Boston Celtics era is this run over for them? No, it's not I hey my foot is just gas enough shit, but I swear that it's shit can change quickly overnight like granted if you're telling me They lose an our hoofered and if they lose an our hoofered and Holiday and true holiday that's fine.

They're old anyway, you know, how they's gonna be potentially a Hall of Famer and so is our hoofered, but they still got the best tandem in basketball with Jayla Brown and Jason Tatum This is Jason Tatum's first big injury of his professional career I'm not even sure if you would go back to do maybe his whole career as a basketball player They still have one of them. I will give rasti even credit He knows how to put a team together. He may not know how to coach one But he knows how to put one together they can retool and rebuild I don't think it's the end-all be all I just think this is they they just got caught with the injury bug and they faced a Team that was just better than them, you know, say that that that happens sometimes That's about happened last year We all thought the nuggets was gonna be the end-all be all and get to the finals and they got knocked out by Minnesota So it was just a stop back for how long they've been down it because since Tatum and them gone to leave They haven't done anything but make it to the playoffs if not make deep hosties I mean they've been to what three to four Eastern Conference finals since he got drafted So it's like I considered that a part of the legacy and not necessarily quote-unquote dynasty But Boston's gonna be here for a minute. They ain't going over there So yeah, but I just forgot to mention that porzinga's they said the main ones and they said it before this series even started They said that this team will not look the same they said as it's currently constructed.

They were gonna change it anyway So that's why I asked that question because they had already brought that up before the season started that they were not gonna keep these players So poor's English was sure our hoar for Andrew. How did you all know? That's a so they just tried to run it back one more year and it didn't work. Yes.

Got it. Got it. Um, well We're here now So let's let's continue the conversation the New York Knicks took an embarrassing loss at home on Saturday to the Boston Celtics 115 and 93 but came back to win and it's then their series lead to 3 1 at the last night's victory and Madison Square at Garden 121 to 113 Was game four must win for Boston, New York And how would the Celtics move forward without chasing Tatum which is a conversation that That we need to have as well. I kind of want to overlap this but I don't want to jinx the Knicks The Knicks are gonna win this series in five or If Boston shows up, John Brown by the game of his career, but I don't know if that's possible right now in this season I think that Jalen Bronson is proving that he is the best player in the series Easily, I think it's just too much dog in him.

It's too much never say dies too much guts It's just he's just he's that guy and I think he's super tough especially in the clutch moments four quarter I can count on him to generate offense if it's a closed game and The Knicks But those defense has paid dividends for them especially against the team like Boston that I feel like they get a little bit too cute And they seem a little bit too light on the inside when it comes to Porzingis and whatever illness he got going on is some tweets about that as hilarious But corporate is too old the industry the Sam Houser is actually bigger than what we thought the Knicks out rebounded them last game I think by 12 and they got up 13 more shots, which is insane because think about how many shots you see the Celtics put up every game There's just too much confusion with whose team it is in Boston for me and at the end of the day They just get out muscled they get bullied and I think that the injury to take them. It's very unfortunate It's to me completely future altering and I'd be you know career threatening or whatever because we are now in the age of sports medicine where In injuries like this can be kind of made more mundane type of injury But the Achilles is still nothing to play with Katie came back from it and although he's had some pretty great moments He hasn't to me looked the same before the injury and anyone who's had a Achilles injury Who's a recently undergone one hasn't looked the same to me prior to it either But they can still have success so we hope that just ten was able to capture that success again This completely alters their timeline everything that we just talked about with you Holiday I think their white now has to get on the chopping block potentially if they want to make different moves for values wise and It's just really sad the situation for them We've got to give a shout out to mckael bridges for defining his mid-range game So did finally open up some wrinkles let mckael get loose a little bit I think that was kind of the deciding factor is just those little eight to ten footers That was everything for the Knicks and brombran closed out. I'm willing to do it now Nick. I'm gonna just say it now I'm gonna do it now because I just like it's just you know, not only cast that content, but it's like it's just time to say it There's an Iverson effect here and I'm gonna just say that with which Ellen Brunson there's an Iverson effect here that I'm looking at Check on me crazy when I say that today.

Thank you crazy You went in there too, but the check on me crazy when I said it You must have switched up So this is this is what I would say New York has taken this series and to me this story is more about the collapse of Boston Because in a lot of these games they've been up 20 plus points Looking like the the a champion that wants to go back to back in a late and crucial cut situations They just totally collapsed and to me that more speaks to the York's grit that we know that a top-ability team is gonna have I'll be at lacking creativity and on the offensive end But to your credit Nick cute from Brunson has stepped up in the biggest of moments And he's taken Boston Celtics heart But at the end of the day the bigger story in my opinion is the collapse of the Boston Celtics And then the cherry on top is Jason Tatum injury for a lot of the things that you said it alters their timeline Shelton I agree with you where The last game that Jason Tatum played versus the next game Jason Tatum is gonna play is a completely different Boston So this right here is the last of what we're gonna see from this Boston Celtics team I don't know if they move on from Jalen Brown I don't know if well, we know for a fact that Al Horford is oh, I want to say Al Horford might be older to me We might be my same age. I think he's around a Bronze Age So corporate don't have more than two more three more years man. He's 38 and three years I'm gonna be he ain't got more than four years. You know to say even though he's playing very efficient basketball He's carved out a niche as a old man for himself.

This is what I've been talking about old man game But that's never here nor there you look at poor zing gets you look at White you know say like these guys you're gonna have a poor zing is already getting paid But you can't you can't keep white like how you gonna pay him you already got to do is making them your 500 million apiece Like it just financially doesn't make sense. So to me again This story is about the Boston Celtics how they potentially fumble the dynasty. I will say that we gotta start Ever since I got on this program a long time ago I was like we got to talk about everybody from the players and coaches the organizations right now to me This is a coaches conversation because Joe Missoula I called it. I said it last episode I was like but I do even though he's a good coach and to me and to me coming when people People me and you question time to come into the season after the catch rate You know say like this is his time to show if he can't get this team to these in conference finals And he you know we need to have a discussion about where he should be and if you should be on that team anymore Right now I'm looking at Joe Missoula like time to go has outcoach to Coaches that we were thought that people come into these series of these playoffs were like there He's better than him.

Well, hold on a who in a right mind thought that Missoula was better than them. She's an champion I think that if you Because if you look at the regular season, but they blew him out You know I'm saying so it's like the track record was like no I'm always better than tips, you know saying like you had a lot of evidence say you know I heard a lot of people agree with that so that's what I'm saying Like these players went against from the Pistons to now We like reticent and our coach and a lot of coaches with his adjustments with how he's doing things and they just don't know what to do And Graham like you said even though he's got one hand behind his back because he don't really know how to do offense like that But his teams get results So I think we really need to start looking at Joe Missoula, but I'm gonna get credit to where it's due is the next I'm saying the angle say this thing of collapse about Boston like now You know that y'all didn't give me no excuses without a bitches and all that shit I ain't giving them excuses. They need these niches lost to a better team people your goofy ass came out here I said cake Cunningham was better than Jacob was the best player hit that series They got proven wrong you went to this next year He said they ain't got no shot no chance and they prove everybody wrong give credit where they built the team that is It's then the reminds me and I want to drink to but other the old seven New York Giants You know said they had a shitty regular season, but they get caught on high And they bought the film and they did about to take out in the Wing with a KA Boston For a title run I would be with you if the only problem I have with that No reason I definitely agree with you because you're like we said every game you up by at least 15 It's 20 point leads in these games as an NBA player as a champion you supposed to be able to hold that lead and put these guys down And they had it in every single game. I'm not talking about one game I'm not talking about two games.

I'm talking about every single game of the series you proven to be at least 20 points better than the other team That's your job is your job I look at coaching as being able to stay to the ship I also look at the players on the floor like your job as a leader is to make sure that you ain't losing this lead Just like it was the next job to come out play with heart take it away But my thing is we're coach what they say there's two things about back coaching what they say either you're an allowance you're allowing it to happen or You're either condoning Either way you can't you can't say Joe was doing both because we talked about adjustments we talked about it's like why are they shooting all these It's a take them to go down to one to start taking it to the rap You know like that last game before he busted up before he's towards shit That's the best that's the version of Jason Tatum that I try to talk about what we have these discussions like Brian He should be considered one of them once because when he is on like that There's not a lot of there's not five players better than him doing that because it's on both ends of the court Yeah, like what two blocks five steals like he was doing a lot to single-handedly keep them in that game before he got hurt Grant, I don't think they're gonna win But he showcased what he is and is all NBA first team player But it took them four games to get to that point if I was the head coach after game one I'm like we not shooting that many threes we take it to the rack cuz JB, you know Like we got niggas that can eat the next people letting them go. I can even say that's a next feeling like but they They defense in the paint is trash for the most part. Yeah You know, it's just like but like they don't do that They don't go with that now. We'll see what Indiana does, you know in the next reason how to adjust hopefully they can but I'm just saying like as a head coach But like you said show it shouldn't take you to gain five when you're on elimination to be like, okay?

Let's make sure I just play I just play what you want to title Obviously time has to factor into this unless you become like a doc rivers figure where it's like okay that one title bruh Like that I really hope whole much way, but there's still not enough time in between a year from like really 10 months ago You're a champion to now your can you coach? I don't to me. I'm not putting it there I'm putting that on all the players like I'm not one of these people who looks at coaching so much when the talent is already there I have to look at the guys that are pursuing up and I just look at Joe Missoula like Yo, we're gonna have to be up 20 points, right? So why are we blowing the elite like I can't I can't I can't coach you into Not taking the easy basket.

I can't coach you into I can say I can say yo get the ball down low Yo driving to the paint 24-7, but at the end of day you with the ball in your hand You have to do what is getting us here what got us to a championship last time So this is this is where I disagree with you I guess this is the people for excuse show today as as a former coach, right? Like you said the culture and we know that for the last couple of seasons I think the NBA just has an issue overall, but we know in Boston particularly It's about chasing the three-point shot in that first game I talked about it, right? Like they gave up easy drive to the basket for a tougher three or a four-three and that's not good basketball But that starts from a top that starts from the culture of how we are going to play basketball our system and how we plan to attack Now here's the thing we can have that mindset, but but a great coach is gonna adjust Hey, stop seeking the three and let the three happen, right? Look everybody on here has played basketball at some level and this is my thing right?

Like is it something I used to coach the ball has energy the more passes the more people touch it when you seek the best shot More than likely you're going to make it and sometimes the best shot is not taking the wide open three and taking that baseline lane And getting a layup or a dunk and that is coaching. Yes, I can coach you to say Hey our philosophy is to get up 63, but if we hit ten of them joints two games back the back Hey, I mean you got to get three to hard weight Right like coaches always speak in like little phrases that you can apply for the whole game get three to hard weight Stop relying if all in in love with this three-point shot. Let's get to the basket What'd you guys buy? I was gonna wait because my city can get something to do with this with okay We can we can hold it.

I'll be brief. Joe Musoul is not a good coach Oh Yeah, that's that's that's I like I think he just lucked up to a title out shot everybody with threes went up against a porous Defense a player in Luca and took advantage of him. You can do that last year against the Dallas Mavericks You could have did that this year against the next you didn't do it. You deserve lead and you just kept shooting threes That's coaching.

He's just not a good coach. You don't lose three double-digit leagues against the team That's great. That's gonna like you got no your opponent And you know they're gonna keep fighting and then by game three or four you should notice by now He's not a good coach. This should not have happened in every single game that we've seen damn near But at this point though, Kevin we seen take them with three different coaches So I'm kind of like I'm just kind of bored by it like okay, so you know you don't just trash now They lost to an old Golden State team so it's like so you know you don't get bad right and Steven Brad Stevens they lost to the bronze and so he's bad right he's on the front office So either the Boston can't find good coaches, which is fine if y'all I'll submit to that like if Boston has had three Matt coaches in a row fine But it's also like they've also had just been taken like eight years in a row now too and a lot of people You obviously can't do it because you know you did win the championship But that last year people were saying yo, this is a fraudulent ass run You like you you won against Miami where they didn't have Jimmy you beat the Pacers when they didn't have Halliburton and then now you beat you know the Dallas Mavericks when clearly like they got a record I was in Minnesota, so it's like it is what it is like they like like one of the champions and then in the summer Steve Kurt I want to play you so it's like I'm just looking at the guy who's actually suiting up I don't think Jason Tatum is that guy like everyone keeps saying I think he's a great place and that's that's fine I mean we've had that conversation for eight years now I think now we're gonna see what the fuck chain around is because now he's the guy so we're gonna see our look But right now man getting a little out of here just like we're gonna get out of this segment and come right back with another break If you are fan of gaming then you need to check out dead in gaming dead in gaming brings you honest reviews hilarious moments and Deep dives into the conversations take place in the industry.

No sugar coating just real gamers gaming check out dead in gaming The world's most dangerous gaming crew on twitch or YouTube just look for dead in gaming atl That's dead in gaming atl The Denver Nuggets mister homestead with the loss of the Oklahoma City Thunder on Sunday night 90-87 now that the series is tied to to going into game 5 which team do you think needs this win the most and has Joke it joker been living up to his building as the best player in the league based on how he has been playing in this series Thank you for that last question Nick. We got to win this game y'all. It's going on right now I got no I got no Muscles he's a must win for Denver must Yes, okay, so it's a mortality team like they do have the best player at Denver in the series But we've all recognized that but from a top to bottom standpoint you have a team like Oklahoma City They can go one through nine one through ten and in the playoffs. That's important I'll note the joker will be able to sustain holding all of those people off So this is more important to them than it is okay So you can use that talent and win the next two games even if they lose this way It makes sense it makes sense that Denver get ahead and try to think in any game I get the best player in the world on their team So if I get up 3-2 and I can go win one more versus having going down 3-2 and not trying to lose one It's gonna mean a lot more for them to win this game Has a deeper bench as well.

I mean, okay, see has a deep bench as well So it's in saying that they got the legs to keep up So I think they ever has to win this game so they have a chance to close it out at home You don't want to come back to okay, see what game set So my thing is this I don't think it's a it's a must win for Denver This is going to be one of okay, see tough is Opponents, so I don't think it's must win for Denver I think they've been playing really good minus one game where they got blown out But it is what it is, you know, say happens But every game has been really good This is not must win if you just have to compete because you know, you got a home game and all you got to do is take care Of home you just got to win one on the road so regardless if it's game seven and okay see you have championship metal that you can rely upon That okay see does not now spike I don't disagree with you okay see is the superior talented team they go one through ten probably even deeper than that But at the end of the day Denver has a championship They still have their championship core Don't get blown out don't don't get your your your spirits down stay in the game whether you win or lose and go back home and take care of It's like it's hard last year. You think it's hard to win a game five or games seven I think it's obviously harder to win a game seven But that but that doesn't mean that this is must win so what happens if you lose? Oh my god So because my thing is around looking at the other side of the fence if you go into this game with a must win attitude And you don't win what does that what does that what does that say about the next two games? Your back against the wall, but you do have a number one player in Joka who can feel confident in going into a game seven I do agree with you there like this being a much win takes pressure off of Joka But having to do too much in the game set and I feel like that's where they won't be successful If he feel like he got to go in win game set what you say Ken I was just asking if they had the same championship pedigree last year when they got luck when they lost in the second round And my thing is the reason why like Joker has not played well this series But he has to play well to the level that he has billed as like if you look at all his statistics They've been down especially my main thing was free throw percentage because he was a 90% of breath He dropped like 15% in the series alone So it's like if you can't trust him at the line and his shots is not falling like that Like they were exhausted coming out of that clipper series So you ask them to go to another series to seven and they go in that like and it's gonna be on the road And they even got home cooking it's like bro fuck all that when tonight and ended on your home course You can't leave this rest or at least you know more rested You would if it goes to seven because this team is older not saying they owe but they are older obviously okay So you got them young lyrics, but I don't trust this Denver team to go seven Like I don't trust this like they need to win six or it's a rat But I will give okay see that credit that if it goes to back to Oklahoma City if they split these next up again You bet off of what history like just because they're young and they have legs I'm basically I'm basing off because I can't trust this everything like I used to Hold on you just said that that that Joker has a play good has a J play exceptionally well No, no, so what are you basing it on?

I'm basing off the fact of going into this going into this series as matchup you would say that Denver should be the superior team based off With talent and experience no, why would you not? No because because I said I said it was trying to grill me all year of me Saying yeah, okay, see is the most talented yet at the number one see but I don't think it will really Champions you I'm gonna say I'm gonna talk about Denver is like going into this series I don't know if I said okay So I'm gonna say never going into the series never would be the one that you look at to win because of experience in talent Yeah, well don't experience not necessarily talent because we all agree here across all six of us Okay, see has a superior talent But at the end of the day It's the experience that's gonna get you in a game seven that you can pull on and that's why that's why we really I've stood my ground on Okay, see not beating a team like Denver because if it gets to that game seven SGA has not played exceptionally well all series And it's very interesting that they that the level of physicality has raised he hasn't gotten the free goes He don't play as good, but that's a different conversation for another day He's just not playing as good or what we expect of him But you know what we have seen from the Denver team we've seen the other step up in games not throughout the series But we see a big mic reporter junior game. We seen Jamal. We see the Jamal Murray citing we saw He's been there most consistent other so at the end of the day again, okay, so he has more talent But I think it's still game seven I'm putting my money on experience.

So Shelton I think that this is a must win game for okay, see I don't think they want to go back to Denver for games It will be over. What do you think bro? I agree? I like I said, I think for both sides, but definitely for Well, I would say I would say the most pressure is on okay See I would think so because you do look at that experience and you don't want to see don't get hot He's been lying dormant this whole time.

You've done a great job defending him with the other day in Williams They've done a lot to shut down but to do it like I said if the every Wednesday night they're gonna close it out at home I just believe they will I don't see okay. See them in Denver for game six and game six is game seven Yeah, and I think that's where the experience will come into play and I think that's where okay seeking earn the experience by finding a way to win two back to back games, but I Think that was a very very very tough gutsy win for them to you're there almost down three one It's over at that point. That was a really really I mean that game was nipping tough the whole way and they found a way to win it We saw some very youthful In experience showing up from SGA shooting two three's trying to hit the dagger shot and then a couple other shots We was trying to make the shoot shots to make a playoff moment and this is what it is Just went in game get out of there, but um, but and I think they grew up But they got to win it every game is different and I think for me It's really not about okay. See it's about joke.

It's been awful. I don't care. What's that he's been putting up I don't give a damn about anything office Yeah Look at his shooting percentage these he's he's crying about files. He's mentioned missing clutch free throws He missed two in the fourth quarter yesterday.

He's not this awful for Joker is it's like his standards There's there are standards that we've been talking about this Everybody said Joker is the best player in the NBA the best this than another if this was any other player that we if this was LeBron That's the punch of bad. We all go to Well, Matt or indeed or anybody imagine the conversation we've been having Joker has been getting a pass with our awful He's been and how unclutch he's been in the fourth quarters He hasn't been producing in the way that we've come to expect from him and it needs to be called out That's why I'm glad to put the question on there Nick because I'm watching it and I'm waiting for it because I've seen it I'm waiting for the Joker big shot. I'm waiting for the Joker big play. I haven't seen it in this series and even the last series And it goes to show you again like how quickly things can change when it comes to narrative like Like show you were talking about boston potentially not even being a dynasty no more Before the then for one that championship we were we were questioning Joker in a play also a lot You know saying and then he won the championship and now everybody was on his nuts and he got an additional two MVPs or one of two MVPs after that and now we're seeing like last year He couldn't even win game seven at home this year if they to me if they lose tonight, it's a wrap So like you potentially talking about two back-to-back seasons where you were the favorite and now you get knocked out by the young boys It's like and your coaches don't so it's just like you got my fucking Joker the coach You say what what was Denver the favorite?

I'm saying like your your favorite to me like If you want to say because the reason why it's confusing when I talk to y'all about this stuff because y'all kept on telling me okay They tell me okay. See wasn't really looked at as a for short thing to get to the finals or championship whatever And I'm like how do we not get to that? We also got they got the MVP they got the best record in the West They got some most talent you don't say they got the most talent on the squad like but y'all saying I don't believe them So okay, that's fine. So then when I say now Denver's the favorite or whatever I'm like hold on who said that like they got the ones that told me that this thing is aren't real or they too young So it's like I don't know what's I got one.

Are you all I'm saying is for me if we're gonna lean on experience and championship pedigree Denver has the lead and that should be the favorite so to win a long series But the way I'm looking at them for now I don't I don't believe in them like I used to because I've seen too much bullshit in between the to wherever line on Aaron Gordon save us We might so call on flash Gordon. Do you know what I'm saying? I give me I think Denver is gonna close the series I just trust Joker I trust his decision making more than anything And I just I just need in the next two games. You just got to have a Jamal Murray game I think that that's what Denver needs like medicine Um, Jamal's always had that one game where he gets at least 40 or I'm dana 50 I don't know if he's capable because he's still like I'm probably getting back from his injury, but um Yeah, man Denver to me just the experience and everything you pointed out is the reason why I have to side with him I mean if you want to use the word favorite, that's fine.

I just think that Okay sees youth It's valued. It's noble with all the good cuddly words that we want to use. They're still too young and if it's not Denver It's whoever is going, you know, I mean, it's gonna be Minnesota next round or somebody It's something's gonna catch up to them. The margins are gonna, you know, reveal themselves I think that okay.

See it has had a great season. They can still win this series I'm betting Denver though and I think that we will see their youth do them in at some point in the future before the season is up Okay, uh Oh, you know what I completely skipped the wolves. I was looking for that my apologies. Uh, we just get Well, no, we didn't like that Uh, the Minnesota temple will took the lead in the series to one against the go to say words on Saturday night One on two and 97 and the plan and they plan on the standing that lead Monday night However, if the warriors want to continue their deep layoff run gang Five is a must win.

What's that up to you the most in Gang four does go to say need to start thinking about a future post self curry Um what I was thinking about is how fake this fucking series is because anal self curry playing man. Here. Yeah Which shit is fake as hell. I'm not I'm watching this shit.

Like the warriors will be up 3-1 right now This temple is stupid like like they're stupid like this is a dumb team Like I'm not like mincing words. This is a stupid basketball team They have a lot of talent. They got a lot of stupid players. I say demon genzo idiot joys rando idiot Like they hate they can they can hoop they can really hoop trust me But in terms of the exit of no sleep care was coaching circles around them boys the first game And they're gonna do it in no rust it was coaching and it was player IQ.

It was basketball IQ. It was mentality They knew where to be on the floor. They were confusing the fuck out of those young wolves So when I look at it now when when you subtract the gravity the Planetary gravity that is step curry, you know a top-eye player ever the best point guard to ever live when you take that off the court You no longer have that gravity on your side and now and man is just picking the boys apart as he should He's hoping the way he should and if things continue they should win for one. I'm hoping that they get her curry back I'm hoping that they can take the series Why can't you continue to coach circles around when no step here?

Because when you don't have the planetary force that is step curry when you don't have the top five point guard ever top five player ever on your team The leader of your team He makes the rest of the he makes the rest of those guys look way better than they are and But Jimmy was here to be a man. I mean Jimmy was here to be a Robin to a Batman So it's kind of 100% Okay, I'm on your side here. I'm on your side here because Jimmy is arguably the greatest two in the NBA Right. He's the perfect Robin.

He has to play off with somebody else and even in Miami Right like even when he played the lead role Bam still orchestrated a lot. He played a lot off a bad man when Tyler got hot like it was nice But what are you looking at bro? Like I don't understand why y'all saying Jimmy is a tool when he led a team to the finals at wedding suppose the go there And he was the main option wait wait, this is too People talking about the actions and how to get into their offense does he control the ball and does he play off the ball? He didn't really in Miami He played off the ball But but the thing was is that he was the first of all okay first of all when they played in the first time they went to the finals Was five years ago.

It wasn't just last year now. It was five years ago and look at it like this He's not the athlete LeBron was or is So Jimmy has a lot of attrition because Jimmy has maximized every ounce of any type of talent He's ever had yeah at this point. He is the minish still a great player He's a number two It is obvious people that he's hurt he got hurt in that he was in series when he failed on the tailbone And you can tell by the way, he's you know, he's been I yeah, he's nowhere near moving like we know Jimmy can move He's not even the shots that he's missing right now If you look he missed a certain layups he's being passive and I'm looking at the game like what he's doing but I can tell he's laboring I can tell there's no way Any games are close to by the way The talent level disparity but um I can't let Jimmy go off You know like getting passes like again if you win the game you win the game if y'all Listen, we try to keep it up being about none of them. It's like the same thing with this He's not hurt You talked about garlic being out garlic played we know garlic with it full strength We know it went the right garland was out Jimmy's not out Jimmy's Make it point That in the game that they needed him because curry was definitely out.

He only saw 14 points, bro I'll for eight shots. That's what he's sitting to check Nine shots. That's not what point is that getting to do that on any level and if you two hurts to score the situation That's on the bench, you know, I'm saying but they're better even with Jimmy only taking nine shots H shots or whatever Last night they're still better with him on the team off the court They're a better team and he gives them a better chance to win even though he's hurt Maybe he's a little bit different than thank you. So that's that's that curry Steph curry.

We're never gonna see nothing like Steph we may see imitation of stuff. We have one in NBA right now named chari young But we'll never see the efficiency that that that's that plays at and like you said the gravity like when you watch Steph play on this team and then he's not there. It's a completely different team. It's amazing It truly is amazing and that's why I took all time.

I'm like y'all cannot discount this man and stop by player like it is what it is but We're not having to comment over like you like you see what he's done You see the body where you're like, you're like, you're like, you're man easy money sniper ain't doing shit But it's cool and then and then we got we got step curry who's now out of this series They're there able to play up on Jimmy. They're able to take away all the shots for pies They're able to render dreemon completely irrelevant to the offense and yet and still You don't stay still within four five points at any given moment during the game So that just tells me adding an add in a healthy or semi-healthy stuff curry to this shit This shit would at least be tied to two but free one Just it's just such a it's such a bummer for the game the same way that such a bummer that take take them is out because You know, they were having a war but him and brenson and now I feel like the war that we were gonna have with And incurries just completely just off the table But I'm hoping that they can get him back in a couple days because it's a travis But he's playing some of the best ball of his career and I would love to see him get to that final Again, just one last time. I mean, I think he knows was up. Go ahead.

It's like I was gonna say I do agree with people and q and in the sense of What stuff took away from this series as man hurt it changed it dramatically and the wolves have shown that they're not attaining they could be like Oh, we can beat y'all with stuff being the step is away This is the reason that they're succeeding in this and that shows how good this stuff is in this It just it takes away from what they're doing as far as melison and how dumb they're playing basketball the q's point And if stuff was in that we know this would look different so it don't feel the same when melison And even that knows that because then so gary-pakin that oh y'all trying to get the game sits. I'll see what y'all doing Yeah The audio we heard he said so he knows that there and tomorrow whenever this next game is they're trying to end this They do not want stuff to come back Which it will be smart for them to go in and and knock this and get this done, but This series is not the same, but and in the second half has been like amazing He has been likes out if this guy ever crass the cold and wins the title bro Lee might be in trouble He might be in trouble man because he's he's something else. Um, I can't that's what i'm saying like if I get a wolves next series kid I don't know what else Like And Y'all crazy over this because all one They force fed us they were they force fed us Denver and Miami that year that it was just me butler and the pips He's a We want to see ideal finals is going to metasus with Gordon playing in the finals. Yes, that's I feel NBA We will see a Sweet if we see the next versus the wolves like like that that shit is over with dude.

Yeah, bro. Nobody wants to answer We need okay, so you're never And just but and just for that y'all gonna fuck around and get never any You You talk about his coaching this shit, we don't talk about some coaching next round with Rick Carlisle versus his that's gonna be real interesting to see Listen, I don't know what I'm looking I look at Indiana's the luckiest fucking team in the last two years They've been playing nothing but bones and hurt and hurt people that office is humming boy No, listen, that's the only thing that I say like I look at this that Indiana like this whole series obviously the hospitals in it But their offense is damn near like It's unstoppable. I thought about last year when the one is like it's like an automatic gun like it's just gonna keep they just don't keep shooting Regardless of its three points or inside outside whatever, but they have no defense My thing is if you slow this team down to where they're not a running gun team This is a totally different basketball team That's what the next have to do because they're the only ones right now playing like it's the 90s basketball Where everybody should mid range and they do in half court offenses If you slow down Indiana and take away their speed they're all totally different team because they don't play defense at all You see down the Mitchell and all of those get all these shots up. It's just that they couldn't keep up with the scoring output Well, that seemed like the defense they was trying to play.

Let's not be by the little bit down the middle do it all You all talked about the Cavalier series right? You all talked about that? Again, what was it? Because And then we got worse than we coming up next year No, just that like that series I can't stress how much of a monumental failure that that series is for Cleveland like that It's like an absolute basketball travesty to what happened to the Cavaliers over those five games It's not even excuses for it like coaching was bad players were bad.

It was just they all choked I've never seen an entire organization just At the moment where you're supposed to be Taking your moment. This is your moment. Don't admit you'll get everybody can talk about a three point game and shit But just chugging up a bunch of shots and shit Jared daira's garland No, who didn't show up? Jared Allen.

Nope didn't show up. Mobley showed up Todgerone played himself into a super max or a super minimum probably playing him into a fucking super one-year deal somewhere because Talk everybody just didn't show up and then on top of that you have indiana and halliburton just uh Arise into the occasion again two years in a row and everybody wants to write it off as a fluke or right off Rick carlau got that team playing really good offense and they know how to think the game through they don't panic And that's what I think at least you know coaches like carlau and tibs allow their players to do is they either give them the exes The nose to think through the game or they give them enough toughness through their conditioning to where they can come back Like we're seeing with boston we don't see what they do in the next round Indian a shit They really good We're spending I'm pushing all my next chips in on this one because we beat boston, but this should be nothing stopping to get to the finals Really? This is the year if we don't go this year. I don't know when so I'm pushing chips in You think it's not going seven you think you're gonna be the man I'm picking the next and seven of course.

Okay, so if you think it's going seven and you're this confident saying that they're not shit But they're going seven then I think we all realistically can believe that there's a good chance that I'm picking next and seven of course to cover my basis Because can I really want to say it's a sweet When you give me a deal on one of these switches Sweetless and what are the all the new backing cleaners that's coming out because listen we're going it's gonna be automatic sweet in my mind But I got a respected opponent they got to these accounts final back to back years first time since 2013 2014 with all Georgia No, so you got to respect them so I'll say seven to cover my bases But I don't see how that team really handles our starting five the way they've been doing everybody else. What up What's your worst of the week? My worst of the week is going to going back to the draft worst of the week is the washer to wizards at the Utah Giants These goofballs really thought they could just be shitty and get rewarded What they do that at Luke? Don't you do no work and you get all the credit with the same thing with the group projects in college and high school?

No, no, no, I'm not making up y'all need to get out the mud like everybody else Yeah, actually a good franchise I've been picking the top five of the last 10 years So even if y'all not getting the number one overall pick out had plenty of picks to get it right watch it I remember what they used to have John Wall and then when he came out with the Dougie It ain't been the same since so y'all need to do better worst performance a week thing Y'all can do this shit and keep you know being trash and get rewarded We're not doing that no one MBA do better as a front office do better as players Based off how they look you can see these are goofball ass teams. So that's the worst performance of the week I uh as we get ready for people's power rankings, Nick, I was you know, I thought you gonna put um Jet jet should be on there because that guy bro is trash He can say but right now because because you know if okay see those, you know, we want to talk about Ain't no bullets for chat This is him getting you know him losing a joker like we can even grab a rebound He really built like chat hangs for this is like He was standing there. He had a family ball. He was about to jump And somebody came and jumped off his back and stuck it All I see Chad is doing is He just doing this shit hell no Like that.

Oh, what's that that hybrid monster from alien ronulus? No, he's bad. He's bad. He's bad.

He's good. We do It's probably a lot of people somebody said check gbt That makes sense All right, so I told you we're gonna be talking about uh magic johnson Uh, so I am doing the top five point guards of all time At number five This one is definitely going to be the one that's talked about the most on my list because there's people obviously that he usurped And we can talk about it russel wesberg multiple time ndp triple double guy uh number five my top five point guards all time at number four Give me the all time assist in steels leer john stockman at number three give me detroit basketball isaia tomas At number two give me the chef maybe cooking niggas up all day step curry now number one Magic ervin johnson. Those are the top five point guards of all time. Okay.

Uh, no Nash no cp three So wesberg has more nvps the Nash and cp three hasn't won shit. What's we're going on one nvp? Okay, that's fine That's fine, but he's averaged more points more assist more rebounds more everything He's done everything that nastles done plus more you why do you believe that stuff curry is the greatest point guard of all time? Because you've seen it like you like you've seen it you watched the game like what the fuck bro You better than magic.

I do. I think it's time. I think it's time that anything is always that regardless We're now in a position where it's like the jordan labyrinthia where it's like we're no longer having oh, yeah No, it's fuck out of here. It's only jordan.

We're having the conversation now and just by us having a conversation That should just be enough for me personally But um if we're having it amongst the guys yeah, bro Like I think that stuff is better than magic. I think that he affects the game more I think that his gravity is its own entity within the mba that something that magic did not have while he was I think magic is not a better ball halo than stuff. It's not about a shooter. I don't think that He's a better handler of the basketball than stuff then stuff.

I don't think he's a better shooter I don't think that he's in the same like stratosphere as affecting offense I disagree. So that's why I disagree right like I don't I don't disagree that stuff curry's gravity We've never seen nothing like in an mba. What's to be quite honest with you magic. Johnson is space magic Johnson affected The same way stuff curry does but just with a different skill set He affected it with passing right like look as a point guard myself and the people that have played with me in my prime can tell you But I'm probably one of the best pastors you would play with at the time So I take it very very seriously when I study a point guard and I watch their passing ability And when I tell you there's only jayse kid in magic Johnson that they see things that I like I'm like when did you see that and then their ability to make the past now?

I will say this um magic has more championships and I understand it's a team game But also I feel that magic was more clutch, which is the slight bump now Thank you, it's step and magic and that's it like yeah And then it's everybody else like nobody else is nowhere near close to that So if somebody wants to come to me and say step is a better point guard. I say hey, let's let's have a conversation I don't think you're crazy at all, you know saying but it's magic and stuff and all of those combinations Let me jump into our superchats. We appreciate that people But russell west boy. Yeah, that is comfortable.

So That's kind of Who's six Who's six six six? It's a baby I was putting that's I put an asset The When you bring on the parker The top ten what about Jason Keith? This is in the top ten. Okay, that's cool.

I thought I want to know all right. Uh, yeah, hold on. Hold on. Okay.

CP CP has a one shit hasn't done shit Let's be honest. Damn. I won't say he ain't done shit, but he What that person I think I think I think I was to know where do you rank sga because he was clearly the best player in league So that means he got to be a top five, right? I was gonna ask him about rondo.

Where does he have rondo right? Oh rondo. He's coaching right now Sweet open doors, which we have the biggest impact on the NBA for the net several seasons Tatum's injury y'all is possibly traded or Dallas get him the number one pick well, it's clearly not the latter. No Um, I think that well my personal opinion is that we're gonna hear some chatter over in this couple weeks about your two and three is that Y'all is might get traded out but I'm one big I think that that's gonna be in play you at least have to approach it if you're Dallas I think that you're like your timelines of Cooper flag being the guy with kairi and ad being in the beginning to middle stages of their 30s Um, I don't know what that is a timeline.

You want to bring a young town into it could just be Hey, let's go get y'all this big three and let's just ride this out and then reset again Because if you're gonna be bad then you're gonna be in contingent for a lot of epic You know in a couple years anyway and a lot of these guys are gonna be done probably in the next five or six So I think that you have a good timeline for that Tatum's injury would be the third thing for me But cute thank you for saying that because they was looking at me like I was crazy for saying either trade Um, everybody else or and build around Cooper or trade to pick and bring in a y'all If you're a common sense GM you have common sense you're gonna be calling the waggy y'all like koopa flag You know, y'all is gonna leave for Nico didn't even do that for lucas So I would do that for the one of rophing Well, the thing is though is that I'm on some queuing on shit right because I believe that like the like the lead Colton and freedom, right? So I believe that so I think that this was all from territory going on But at the end of the day, um, it's advantageous for the Dallas and average to say hey milwaukee You're a star gonna leave Do you want to try them for a bunch of pieces and a star like what often reason really hot tomorrow and one or two picks for y'honest? Or you want Cooper flag and whoever else claked on somebody else and then what about the rest of your guys I was gonna say, um, to me tatham's injury is third y'honest's first and i'll say Dallas a second But I think the spurters pick is more interesting than Dallas having the number one on I think I think spurs I think spurs because the first I mean you number two pick and some other players and some more picks And then you put y'honest wimby and uh deer and fox together for that's that's when it's It is crazy the thing is that was I just don't think Dylan Harper moves a needle from a walkie away that if you're dialed You offer Cooper flag you're like you're looking at but you're looking at home grown Larry Bird part two like that's what like They're talking but to me is like for Dallas. It's like Nico can maybe get excused for the mukaship But if you trade two premium squirreung quote players in the same season then there you get fired So Does it fit in Dallas I still think uh tatum's injury is the most important thing you talk like we talked about Boston Yeah, I may have a good thought I had a statement about tatum and it got skipped over but that's the last thing it's tatum's injury That's off that's tatum but they were gonna be with tatum or without him bro like that's the soft ass Go ahead say on piece that move Yeah, go ahead All I was gonna say is tatum is not the power loan because he hurt now, but that's the soft ass one that you got Yeah, that's the soft ass one that you got to understand it for a long time here So it yeah, he got hurt and he's never performed to what you want him to even win in the championship That's not a true number one So the reason that mazula comes off as a bad coach like he said he had a quote on the smeen when when uh For zenka's got here.

He was like I want to see him bleed on the court because he know his team is soft as fuck And he wants something to show to make them look like they better than what they are He knows his number one itself and tatum has came off itself Yeah, he was doing well in the game before he got hurt But they know that him being the person stepping out in front and trying to lead this team to multiple dynasties being a dynasty like you said So that's never gonna happen because tatum he's not gonna do he's never going to be that dude I ain't saying he ain't a number one because he does have a great skill set but he's like a value mark Kobe Yeah at the beginning of the season who did you have win in the championship blue? I don't want to watch an indian He's saying the Dallas house was when he came to the My brother sounds like the best team in the east Ah, can't stop that I ain't even saying that Even when the cows were the no one's Even in the series with somebody like bunsing he'll never be able to be that dog because all of the players who are dogs are more dog than him Like he can compete with somebody like once Like i was a person got more heart than tatum Easy he's always doing easy thing and it's always been said if I am and I don't know why people trying to ignore this I've been saying this I've been called a hater I've been called a hater for years and I've and I think as though as I think that Jason tatum The athleticism is nowhere near because the guy i'm saying is one of the greatest athletes It's not the greatest athlete in your history, but he's just too much been scarred for me Uh, he's he's he's he's so gifted he has all the tools to be yo And he can get a 32 a night blah blah blah, but he's just he's just a nice guy though He's like he was he was he was the razor son. He's beautiful. Why I just think that oh tatum's injury and y'all just me and trey can probably go one and like hand in hand Like who knows like y'all just me decide When he wants to go may still be in the east because now bossing in his things to threat You know what i'm saying like when the west is loaded why would I want to go somewhere else and have to like go through that gauntlet Oh, like in the east.

I really only got two three teams. I need to worry about compared to the west being fully low So those two people be one in the same, you know what i'm saying? You go right the end of my egg like who knows like that could be impacted Well, he wants to win. He can't stay in the east I'm saying like i'm just saying like any other team that he would get traded.

He's gonna estimate 18 except for maybe Philly Because they got another three picks so it's like bossing everything except for him Bossing I should else potato Yeah Spike being in his 40s and ever watching breaking a crush groove is anti-black Yeah, russian russian russian hack the draft illusion The shamar the chance of the top three picks went that way was 0.04. It's That's what a lottery is Like Like Preach up because they're not in one thing like that's why what the fucking thing I know we're not I'm a young you from your last college The conspiracy so there's so many drafts I'm all over the table and you're constantly talking about a legacy all the premier team and we always work in But they let they should have See that the premise of the time of the premise of that is that though this at the lot of was rigged every year It's not rigged every single year, but it's something they don't give a fuck about who wins Oh, so you're telling me we gonna trade we gonna trade the highest price commodity a young commodity And then we gonna give you an ompick and then there's nothing about that says me that might be a little bit weird It's an election Has to sustain in the way you sustain it you make sure the haves have and have not stay in where they are We're talking about the premier franchise is getting Always had a premier guy that a strange to you If you don't think that the rich don't collude to stay rich, I don't know what to tell you Happens I just don't think that happens in this particular There's a zero percent chance that business had anything to do with those outcomes last night It's something this is zero percentage. We talk about margins. We talk about Realistic but still it's a very low chance very low chance and there's a very low chance that shit happens all the time We think it's just going and it's like stop it, bro.

I'm not I'm not I know I was born yesterday, but not just yesterday Do you all think the draft lottery for the NFL will work maybe the top three or my picks we don't need no more fucking draft I'm tired The draft is stupid the draft is fucking stupid. It's like absolutely It's harder to lose games in the NFL in the sense of like you can't go out there and push it around we've seen that from the Provo you can't go out there until your team. I'm willing to lose so it's hard to tank in the NFL You're not going to reward teams for what's usually the team that loses the most games They probably deserve to have the number one pick more so than the NBA Yeah, I mean, I don't see just coming down the weather for they tell us You listen to the podcast. Yeah, it really is it really is That was traded Luca then half the team got her Kyrie towards a CL They want to play a game of losing that and they want the corn sauce with the top record So many variables for it to be read or or or certain variables aligned for it to be the perfect kind of Ricky What the fuck?

Flip it around to be in the For every every instance in which I was saying it couldn't be because of this I can make the exact same case that oh shit They're talking their team are her Kyrie towards a CL it wasn't rigged then because they weren't caring about it But then when they won the toy cross then they said oh shit, you know, let's give them Again we've been boosted again within the air things on up and up and y'all all right I believe that I want to I've been where you work you and I just yeah, not anymore over the ring and shit We don't boys brus some better playoff legacy than me Absolutely, I was I would say they got a little bit right now, too That moments already don't it like like he's going back on a champion down 20 and be the dude that stole that game multiple times to me To me he's had franchise moments like for the Knicks when we're talking about a whole like a like he hasn't for all those moments Where is that got him because that's what can't is gonna say at the end of the day? What has him be done? Another thing the other caveat to that is that I've caught out in B for being soft because at the end of the day When you play in a game seven if you win to lose somebody got to win to lose But how did you play Bronson? I could say goes down guns blazing and beat hasn't done that I get that but you gotta have this is a Results driven business when we talk about sports no matter what you did in that game If you're comparing Bronson to and beat Bronson's playoff career has way more moments than in beat and that's crazy to say Hmm no branches that guy and that was it Not talking NBA He gets it Eastern Commons finals was hopefully the next game Then I can say like all right bet I'm with you on that cuz then he has proven not only does he have moments But he's took it those moments led to winning you know I'm saying that's what I'm saying You gotta have the combination to so Nick you gonna be happy they lose next round I mean don't be the conference finals so it's like if Jellin Bronson gets to it Eastern Commons finals just by default like he's already has a better playoff legacy for thunder in trouble Yeah, they now 86 just like I said, man, you know what I'm gonna let y'all have it man Y'all just believe everything in the world is Everything in the world is just so organic and everyone's just getting their fair share and nothing is rigged and everything is just you know Yeah, everything is just going great everyone I tell you it's all one thing, but hey we gonna talk about that on the next podcast when I'm going with spike at some point this year I'm gonna break you on another week in the books.

That's what I'm gonna do like I want you to talk about this on another week No, cuz like we gotta we gotta go to people right this should this should get sad out here I'll say this was by waking up and gonna happen to you My thing is by next by the Next by the Next week this morning by this next episode. We should be in the conference finals. We'll see what happens, but I pray a wolves next finals That's all right. You keep talking about this shit like y'all Daelyn Brown put this capy of wolves nuggets rematch will be good.

We'll have actually too. Well, yeah to rematch us If everything plays on okay, okay, so he's good bro. I'm sorry It's good to you next ice is the next ice is gonna be a good throwback feeler They need they need to daily Williams chat whoever else in the deal go get you on this bro That's what I was gonna say to you like I was I would straight This is the time if I'm looking at Houston San Antonio and okay see but in order of the okay see And also Aaron Gordon is playing himself into a healthy extension right now Yes, I just don't understand why I wasn't to y'all from Minnesota last year They weren't too young though. You saw Kyrie and Luca as more they were more veteran Kyrie a real veteran and they got the Western Conference finals.

They be Denver. Yeah, well I want they to go I think I think that what they had was they had veterans in Go bear and towns that anchored the inside of their offense and their defense and it was arising far variable that they hadn't seen before So I think that they had they had and plus they have my con lead They had guys that have been there before the same way Denver had guys that were there before the only difference is you adding this new dynamo Anthony Edwards and that just took him over the top The human he managed we actually yeah He was free enough to just play he didn't know about the leadership role Just go out there who and he was better who been the most in that series near one work at matchup the GM from Denver Went to Minnesota built that team to beat Denver and we saw I play out the way that that that GM Planted to be and I don't disagree with the dynamo of a course like he exploded pause last season, you know I'm to see To the scene but at the end of the day it was a matchup, bro It was the match okay, and that's a that's a beauty about the playoffs you can have more talent You can have all of this all of that how do we match up? And that's why I said that I believe in Denver over okay See because of the matchup yeah Over and over this was a tough matchup now. Can we ask you a question in several really why supports for if you think it's already Why do I support the same way that y'all support WWE?

I'm saying the same way that y'all support you know that they're in the trailer Yeah, it's entertaining, bro. I want to see how to do this shit every year See the thing is that some people get really offended by critical thinking that they think that I have to be an idiot just to enjoy some shit You can actually be a critical person and still enjoy the shit that you know is not on the up and up The same way you watch soap operas or whatever like you know is all fake and manufactured drama Some people enjoy politics that way saying shit So it's like I just watch it because I know that the guys put their 100% preparation into it But the business overall is gonna still have their hand over it. I don't care what no one's like No Movies All right, well we'll end it there. We'll catch you guys next time.

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