Waverly Hills Sanatorium

In the dead of night, as people sleep, that's when the spirits creep. As the bell tolls three, dark things take power. We like to call it the supernatural hour. Hey everybody, welcome.

It's another episode of the Supernatural Hour. And it's been only a week since our last episode, primarily because of vacation and other spring break kind of screwed us up. You can't throw anything out of whack. We could eat whack.

Children do that. What's up? I have none of these things. You are one of these things.

I think we're all one of these things. Anyway, I am your host, Castle. With me as always is Beaker. What's happening?

And we've got Mike. What's up? And we've got a new fun filled episode for you. And tonight we're going to talk Waverly Hills as well.

You're bringing way too much excitement to this podcast. We're a serious down-to-earth podcast that never makes burp and fart dokes or inappropriate jokes about other things that are inappropriate. Yeah, please don't go back more than six episodes of this. That's why I don't listen to any other podcasts.

Oh, there are a few. We are going to talk Waverly Hills tonight. Sorry. We are.

It is a... My notes are useless then. I thought we were doing Lizzie Borden. That was last week.

She killed people with an axe. Oh my gosh. But before we get going, let's talk some business, Rish. What do we got, Tim?

Well, so looking at my notes here in front of me, what we have coming up is on Friday, April 26th and Saturday, April 27th. We are going back to our favorite haunted venue. Leslie's Family Tree restaurant in Santa Quinn. And not Fear Factory because that's what I was about to say.

Can I say Ressacrant? Ressacrant. There's a weird poser like he had a stroke. I don't.

Sing the birthday song. Sing that. A-B-C-D-F-G-Q. Mike, your face in a little bit closer.

Smile, Tina's left. Face, drip, Face, your arms. Smile. Yeah.

What is it? Smile. Raise your hand if you're sure? Yeah.

No, he's OK. Alright, Family Tree restaurant. Family Tree restaurant Friday, April 26th, Saturday, April 27th. Tickets are only $35 this time around.

We are not doing the dinner investigation. We are just doing a show up on investigation. So we will be starting that about 9 o'clock for check in and doing safety briefing and whatnot. And then we should start investigating around 10 o'clock both nights.

Get your tickets at advancedparanormal.com. Now, if you want dinner, you can certainly come a little bit earlier and get dinner. It's just not included in your ticket price. We're not covered in dinner this time.

We did that because we wanted to make tickets a little bit more reasonable. It's one of our more expensive investigations. And again, if you really want dinner, knock yourself out. Come over early.

But we won't be providing that for you. OK. Anything else for business? No.

Alright. How about re-investigation? What have we got? Mike, it's been quiet over the last week.

Actually, I know there's been some emails that have come in. But as far as investigations actually taking place yet, not yet. We've actually had a few, like you said, investigations that are on deck. A couple emails come in, people interested in investigations.

Deanna is in charge of running that end of the show. So she gets so set up. And so hopefully Mike will be reporting back next episode with some updates on some of those investigations. I'm just going to throw this out there right now.

We have had some people request myself and Peaches on investigations just to kind of give you guys a heads up if that is something that you want. Make sure you schedule your investigation for a Saturday or Sunday. Those are the only days that we are available to investigate. But if you're not, if you're not heart set, you don't have your heart set on having either one of us there any time during the week is good as well.

But like I said, we've had several people request the two of us. And we are only available on Saturdays and Sundays. So holding to our new format that we've adopted last episode, we're going to dive right into our topic. But just to keep everybody apprised what's going on, we've got a fun, paranormal news story at the end of our segment today.

Can we beat last weeks? That was the best. Yeah. Can you see me?

Can you see me? I don't know, man. I still like square. Who calls people squares?

Apparently people who use meth and dresses goes and hang out in cemeteries. Now if you listen to last week's episode, I did post and I had my wife go and post the picture of me and the ghost outfit in the Facebook stuff underneath the post where I talked about the episode. So go check that out. Yes.

And listen to her last week's episode. Listen to her last week's episode. So surprisingly, I got to only start doing the research. I was a little nervous because there was quite a bit too, but there wasn't a lot to it if that makes any kind of sense.

So I first started doing the research and I thought this topic might be a little flat. But again, it turned out to be a pretty good episode. I was actually quite pleased with it. Waverly Hills Sanatorium.

Mike, do you want to start us off? Sure, sure. Since I'm the one that did all the notes, I'm just kidding. I didn't do all the notes.

Nope. So Waverly Hills Sanatorium for those who don't know is a medical facility for long-term illnesses, typically associated with the treatment of tuberculosis or TB in the late 19th and 20th century, not before they discovered antibiotics. You know, TB is an interesting disease because it killed a lot of people back in the day until they came up with antibiotics. You know, if you ever hear about the consumption or the white plague.

It's doc holiday, how that didn't he? Yeah, if you ever watched like movie tombstones, that's what doc holiday did. Basically it's a bacterial infection that essentially eats your lungs. It involves a productive cough when you cough up blood because your lungs are falling apart inside your body basically.

So when I sign on my paperwork at work, I'm signing a tuberculosis. What's that? My initial paperwork at work. I'm initial on my tuberculosis.

You are? TB. I'm a deadly disease. He's no longer beaker now.

He's the white plague. I've been on the white plague. He's not a substance racist. He sounds extremely racist.

So you probably shouldn't call me that. He's called my wife. I want to get beat up by a neighborhood. Right.

You've got a neighborhood. I got two and from work. There's no bad neighborhood where I go. You drive through Taylor's Hill?

No. West Valley? No. No.

He's been everywhere. He's been everywhere, man. He's like syphilis. No, I'm just doing.

What? It's everywhere. I'm like herpes, man. I'm like a gift to keep you.

There you go. Right. What we sure went on. Whoa.

Anyway, so back in the day, if you got tuberculosis, you're kind of a bad shape because you don't have to go to the hospital. It's about a 50% shot of dying. So it's like 50-50. You could flip a coin and that was about your odds of living or dying.

So I like the 50% chance that you're going to die. Obviously, yeah. It's either you die or you don't. It's like this.

Come up or am I not? Let me rephrase this. If you have 10 people who get tuberculosis, five are going to die, five are going to pull through. You have a 50% chance of survival.

Yeah. Because the other 50% is you die. So Waverly Hills is in Louisville, Kentucky. It's actually on the US National Register of Historic Places.

There's two different ways of how it was created. One of them was that back in the late 1800s, there was a man named Colonel Hayes that owned the ground where Waverly now stands. He had an only daughter who was educated, wanted to have her own school, which was older than she could teach local kids. So he built her a small one-room schoolhouse where the sanatorium now stands.

And she taught school. The other one, and she named Waverly after her favorite author. The other report I had read about was that he purchased it when he was major, Thomas Hays, in 1883, and as that it was actually where the family home was. And since the new home was way far away from where the existing schools were in Louisville area.

I mean, this was way out there. It's way outside of town. Now that we've all kind of surrounds the hill. I think it was actually outside of town for quite some time.

And they did that on purpose because basically if you got TV, it was highly contagious. This was before it was even a TV hospital. This was just one of the schoolhouse. There was just schoolhouse.

So he started this one of those stories where I had to walk 10 miles to school. I feel both ways might have been kind of a fact. Kind of, yeah. Maybe.

I mean, in this case, the guy's like, I'm just going to build a school here for my kids. This was the, yeah, his kids were so far away from the existing schools that he built this school and then hired a teacher named Miss Harris, Lizzie Lee Harris. And Miss Harris had a fondness for Walter Scott's Waverly novels. So she named the schoolhouse the Waverly school and made her hesitate to so much that he named the whole property Waverly Hill.

And at that point, the tuberculosis thing hadn't really hit. After it came about and it did hit, they changed it. I'm assuming it's because his kids were kind of out of school. And they turned that school room here, that one room school room, school house, to a small wood that built structure, two story structure to be a hospital in 1910.

Now, what's interesting about that property is it is up on a hill and there's a breeze that blows through there almost constantly. And one of the thoughts back in the days of you had tuberculosis that dry air and a breeze to kind of blow away the germs, if you will, it sounded ridiculous, but to blow away the germs would kind of help these patients to overcome this disease. And so that's kind of one of the reasons why this became a real popular spot for a TV hospital. Right.

And this first hospital would only house 20 patients. And then later down the road in 1911, the city had made plans to build a new hospital and they said, well, you know, this is when all of a sudden pulmonary tuberculosis was starting to hit. And so they picked the spot because of that breeze and they started building more onto it. And you'll see here.

The final building when they got it done was about 800,000 square feet. I mean, it's massive. Five stories, all four complete stories, and then the fifth story was kind of a partial story. Well, I mean, the hospital went through several changes between 1910 and 1926 before it became that.

I mean, it was, you know, he said, originally started out as a school house that became a building that held like 20 people. They expanded to where it was holding like 40 or 50 people. And they expanded several times before they finally just shut down and built this massive hospital that finally opened up in 1926. Right.

And it could actually house about 400 patients when it was initially built. And the first floor consisted of kind of like labs, office space. It was the administration. They had the x-rays, just all the medical.

Dark room, library. My favorite part was that gift shop. Yeah. Well, every hospital has a gift shop.

That's where you buy the soil balloons and t-berries. Well, the thing I thought was interesting though is it's a TV hospital. And basically, once you came on the property, you really wanted to die. You weren't allowed to.

It was called a hotel California. It was called even the nurses and doctors weren't allowed to leave because TV was so infectious. It was almost like a quarantine zone. Once you entered the zone, you weren't getting out.

So if you went into that gift shop, you were kind of screwed. Well, they had, I know they had a back behind the actual hospital itself. There was a building for the nurses to live in that held that like 40 or 50 nurses could live in. So they actually lived there on the property.

Well, the property itself was self-sufficient. I mean, they had a farm there with animals. They made their own food. They had their own post office.

Yeah, their own post office, bar shops. Occupational therapy. I thought that was interesting. It's like, well, you're here.

Not going to die. Let's teach you a trade, but you can't leave. How do you feel about being more mortician? That would have been a very apt profession there as we get into this.

But yeah, so it was very self-sustaining because again, once you got there, it was kind of like the hotel California. You didn't get to leave because tuberculosis was so contagious. Well, you got to leave. Just not necessarily in the manner that you wanted to leave.

Well, actually that's not true because I just had a graveyard on site, Tim. Well, you didn't stay in the hospital. You got to leave the hospital. You got to go outside.

You didn't get to leave the grounds. Yeah, the grounds you didn't get to leave the hospital. That's not the same. You got to leave the hospital though.

Fine, you win. That's right. What's up? They had a movie night.

Like every Wednesday was a movie night. They had all sorts of entertainment. So somebody had to have left because they had different forms of entertainment that came in. One of the old timers that worked there that evidently didn't get sick.

He said they had a movie night and then they'd have concerts. They'd have bands come in and play and have dancing. And somebody coming with a Santa Claus came in with a sleigh and they gave sleigh rides around to poverty to the kids outside. What would be interesting to know, and I couldn't find any statistics on it when I was doing my research.

I'd be curious to know how many of these nurses and doctors who were basically there 24-7 doing with these patients. How many of them actually contracted TB? I'd be kind of shnicking out because there's never really any source I could find that talked about. No, I didn't see that anywhere either.

So it was actually 60 to 75 nurses that lived there on the ground. It's not 40 to 50. So that's quite a bit of nurses. They're just there all the time.

Well, as many patients as there are, that's a lot of work for a small amount of nurses. So you have to have a lot. You have 400 patients. So if you have a nurse, that sounds right.

So they'd have one master medical director and they would have the board of doctors underneath that would man the various different wards. And they had a whole bunch of different wards as well. The second and third floors were general for kind of the general population where they stuck as many people as they could fit in. They had community bathrooms in three or four different places in the halls, which if you imagine sharing a bathroom, if you ever got up with four sisters in the house and then two parents and me and then, yeah, you never found trying to get into the sharing one bathroom.

So imagine that these hospitals were just might be in the yard a lot when he was a kid. I still do. Didn't we all? Now what was interesting though is the second third floors I can mention were for basically patients.

When you got up to the fourth floor, that was kind of for the well-to-do patients. If you had some money, you could make it to the fourth floor. And there you had your own bathroom. And basically people were coming from all over the world to try and come to Waverly because it was considered kind of like the Huntsman here in Utah is considered like the place to go if you've got cancer.

Waverly was the place to go if you had the consumption. And so people were clamoring to go there and finally the state of Kentucky where this is built decided that, hey, maybe we need to treat our own residents and not have people from all over the world coming here with the TV. And so they eventually got to a point where they banned outsiders in here cat-nowing. They banned outsiders from coming to the hospital.

Right. And also in that second floor they also had a cafeteria. And there are reports that if you go there sometimes you'll smell breakfast if you're there in the morning. Bacon and eggs, pancakes, and when not cooking.

And then fried chicken and what not in the evenings. So that was interesting. But yeah, it was like the Mayo Clinic at the time. It was very famous, very popular.

And then on the fifth floor they had a partial floor there. There was a playground on the open part of the roof. And then it was also the fifth floor reserved for the heliotherapy department where they're suffering from TB of the bone, which I'm thinking of understanding it will be respiratory. I thought it was interesting.

Apparently the bacteria can travel to different parts of your body. And all that cancer tends to do. TB is focused in the lungs but it can move. One of the other interesting things on the fifth floor, and I hope I'm not still under here, Mike, is sometimes TB travels to the brain and you basically more or less go insane.

And so some of these insane patients were housed on the fifth floor. So you have the terminally mentally ill with the children on the roof. Yeah, so they had two sides of it. There's the big clock tower and the middle bell tower as they called it, which is where the elevator shaft was.

And then yeah, the insane patients on one side. And then on the other side they had kids and then the playground. So really interesting. So basically they had this hospital there.

My parents had TB and you were a child who didn't have TB. You still got to go to Waverly and basically because you didn't have any care for ya unless you had an anaeric who could take you in. And so some of the kids there at Waverly had tuberculosis and some did not and were just there. There's one named Timmy and we'll actually talk about him and his ghost story here a little further on in the episode.

But Timmy, for instance, his parents had tuberculosis and Timmy did not. You know, I have to wonder and again I would love to see the statistics of those who were working there and were there without tuberculosis. How many got the disease just being in the hospital? I'd be fascinated to see those statistics and just wonder how many people were basically kind of doomed to death.

They had to be settled. They didn't know anything about tuberculosis at the time. They didn't really know how to treat it or what it was. They really did.

The way to treat tuberculosis at the time was to make sure that people were well-nursed. They were kept happy and they have plenty of air, the breeze coming through. Fresh air. And hey, if that didn't work, a little bit of electroshock therapy.

This is where we started doing lobotomies. Oh, it's crazy where they went. Some of the treatments were actually really brutal and very painful that they performed on some of these patients. Sometimes they would inject air into the chest cavity to collapse the lung thinking it'll give it a rest.

And it was hoped that it would give that long time to heal before having to go back to work and re-inflate it. Well, the other thing they would do too, as far as horrible treatments go, is they'd actually remove ribs in an effort to collapse along hoping that collapsing that lung would cure the patient of tuberculosis. And I think they said they had a 5% success rate on their surgery, their collapsing lungs. Well, they didn't have an aesthetic sport either.

And so they were often awake for this procedure. They're cutting out. They would take out eight ribs, but they could only do three at a time because I would just. It's how you could handle.

Eight at one times a little much for someone to handle. So they would move three at one time. It could take several surgeries before the procedure was finally finished. And sometimes they'd inject a balloon, a nitrogen balloon into their chest and inflate that.

Again, lots of horrible things that they were just doing. They meant well, but it just didn't always work. Sometimes the affected parts of the lung were taken out and actually do what they call a low-beptomy where they would remove the affected parts of that lung, the lobes there. And then, like you said, only 5% of patients survived that procedure with the ribs and whatnot.

Well, and I joke about the electroshock therapy, but really for those who had tuberculosis that actually traveled up to the brain. They did do electroshock therapy trying to cure that by basically trying to induce a seizure with a patient in hopes that that would somehow cure the infection. I'm not quite sure how the logic behind that works. I just want to say I'm glad modern medicine has taught us so much that we're not using these our cake ways anymore.

I mean, I know this has nothing to do with the waverly, but at one point, I thought the cure for insanity was a lobotomy where they basically drilled in the hole and had a scrambled brain around. You know, having a... There's actually a fun video called the lobotomist. Check it out.

I'm glad that they've made advancements in medical technology that we're not practicing these anymore. Having been treated for cancer and going through that process, there were some pretty brutal things that were done to me, but I can only imagine what it was like 100 years ago for the exact same cancer and treatment and pretty much guaranteed death. So yeah, me too. I'm also thankful for modern medicine.

Now, let's get into kind of the nitty-gritty as far as what happened there and why we've been talking about this place. One of the things, and we'll talk about it here in a second, is they had what was called the death tunnel, which is a tunnel that travels from the basement about 500 feet long, but they started having all these TB patients. They had a really bad outbreak and basically patients were dying very quickly. In fact, so quickly that overwhelmed their morgue, they actually turned one of the cold storages on their refrigerator for food into a morgue and they're just literally stacking bodies by the elevator to try and dispose of them.

In fact, a lot of them were buried in mass graves on the property just because they were dying so fast they didn't have time to, you know, do a funeral service and all the accoutrements that go with an individual's death. It was just kind of like, again, white plague is a fantastic word because people were just killing over left and right. Now, they also had a room, supposedly called the draining room as well. They were right there in the basement by the morgue and they would, because these patients were imposing before they could get them out, they would actually hang them upside down.

And this sounds really, this is really brutal, but they would kind of cut them open and drain out all of their bloods in an attempt to try to keep them from decomposing before they can get them down the shoot and get them out to be buried. And so the draining room is one of the very active places there and then they would take them down to the body shoot. Do you know what I mean? You want me to talk about what you're talking about?

Yeah, no, no. So like you said, it was called the death tunnel or the body shoot. It depends on who you ask. But like Castle said, it was about 500 feet or 525 feet.

It was originally built as a, like I said, a couple of times. It was originally built as a way for employees to get up to the hospital in the winter time. So again, this is that question of how do they leave or what not. But it was a way that they could cut to the bottom of the hill and they would go up a couple of steps and they'd go up a couple more steps and then be a flat section.

And it would just slowly kind of work their way up to the hill. And with it being, you know, winter time, you know, winter time went snowy and cold. It was heated by steam. And so it was a nicer way to get up the hill rather than have to walk through the snow up the wrong windy road.

They also had on the one- Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, we don't walk in snow. We trudge and snow. I'm just asked to watch. I walk on snow.

Thank you. I'd rather just drive through it. That's why God gave us cars. I walk on top of the snow.

Or we get sanded. Anyway, so the next of the stairs in that corridor, there were also a long kind of angle flat piece where they put rails on there and there was actually a rail cart that had a rope to it. And there was a winch on the top. And for any supplies they needed up at the hospital.

They could be delivered down at the bottom. They could pull the winch up. They could send stuff back down if they needed. And with all of the bodies that were stacking up, you know, it was really disheartening when you had a hearse driving up to the front of the hospital.

And this is an open air hospital. I mean, even in the winter time, they had patients out there on the patio out there, you know, getting that fresh air looking over. And if you see them just hauling all these bodies out the front door, that's kind of counter-productive to their positive reinforcement and attitude of that's all you need to heal. Just good attitude.

Don't mind that line of herses out front. Yeah. So they started to, they thought it would be better for the morale of the patients to keep them in the morgue and then at night, they would have herses down at the bottom of the hill and they would send them down the hill on this cart. Yeah.

That's, uh, that's pretty cool. So probably the reason the tunnel became known as the body shoot. And it's probably one of the most active areas there at the, at the Waverly. Yeah, both the drain room and the tunnels.

The tunnel's are, uh, are active. Um, and I kind of have to chuckle a little bit because there's, one of our investigators, actually would have had him on the show to talk about a Waverly investigation. He was invited by some of our friends and listeners who actually rented Waverly to go investigate. Uh, Tim, do you want to tell us that story real quick?

That'll interlude. Uh, yeah. So just so people are aware, if you have a once in a lifetime opportunity like this where, there's only going to be three of you investigating the entire venue. The entire 800,000 square feet of haunted venue.

Buy an actual plane ticket, don't do standby. Sorry. Love you, Dale, but man. I love you too, but you're a dumb ass.

Yeah. He bought a ticket on standby because it was supposedly cheaper. And when he actually went to get on the plane, apparently between 10 o'clock at night and like two in the morning, like every flight going back east, uh, had sold out. That's a great.

Uh, he was unable to actually get a flight out. So he had to miss the investigation. So again, my advice, if you feel like you're going to investigate at a once in a lifetime type opportunity, such as, you know, having the entire Waverly Hills sanatorium to yourself, please buy an actual plane ticket. Don't do standby.

Again, I love you, Dale. Me too, but I'm making funny on the podcast. So now in 1943, um, we can make Delphil better and pitch his podcast, the Buko Boys. Nah, which is my co-op.

Okay. I think it's more fun to laugh at. Buy a real plane ticket. Yes.

So anyway, in 1943, uh, Albert Schatz. Oh, yes, he did. Yes, he did. He was a graduate student at Rutgers University and he discovered streptomycin, which is an antibiotic, kind of like penicillin.

And it was actually the first cure for tuberculosis with that. Um, the cases started to slowly dwindle down and it was actually became an in-home treatment. You just take the streptomycin and get plenty of rest and people would get better. And so the need for having a giant facility, five floors and, you know, 500 patients was no longer needed.

And there's no longer a major public health threat. So after the introduction of streptomycin, like I said, it gradually went way, way down. And in early 1961 and June of 1961, they actually closed Waverly Hills as a TB treatment center. Right.

And actually remained close for a couple of years. During that couple of years, I actually renovated the hospital, did a lot of remodeling. I did some work on it and then reopened it as, what, is that right? Woodhaven.

That couple of years was actually one year, but. Oh, one year, couple of years. Well, before we go to Woodhaven though, let's talk about the number of deaths that they counted at the sanatorium. Oh, the numbers are all over the place.

So there's a rumor to be somewhere of the upper 60,000, like 60 to 68,000 people. Yeah, 63. And again, the numbers are all over the place. Yeah, they're all over.

I mean, like I said, there are rumors of up to about 68,000. The official record, I think they say is more around 8,000, 7, 8,000. That's a little different than 60,000. Yeah.

Slite. But I know that there has been some, a group of people that have been like doing a lot of study and research into the sanatorium. And they say that they can actually confirm 11,000 proven deaths that are on record just by contacting like family members of people that were treated at Waverly. So either way, I mean, you're looking at at at least 11,000.

I mean, even if they get up to 60,000, there's a whole lot of people that died in one place over a course of 40 years. That is just the perfect breeding ground for paranormal activity. You're going to have a, you're going to have the ghost. Now we've talked about in the show that there are a few places we've been to that are not haunted on some level.

You know, when you go into a home, there may be one or two. If you have some crazy activity, there may be upwards of seven or eight. You know, we go to a place like family tree and there's a couple dozen maybe 60. That's a couple dozen times two.

Yeah. Anyway, regardless, family tree at 60 ghosts. That place is crazy haunted. The secret location that the PODG goblins went to a number of years ago.

That one I think had a few thousand people in turn. They're not not died there, but just a turn there. So if you're looking at the low number of 11,000, you basically you got just off the charts. What's the word I'm looking for?

Off the chart capability of a. It's just like, it's like prime of the pump. You're soaking the fire. Right.

A lot of potential there. A ton of potential for paranormal activity. I mean, Waverly is considered to be the most haunted spot in America, if not the world, I believe. I know it's for sure the number one haunted hospital in America.

Which one surprised me in the slightest? Now that is just from the tuberculosis cases from the early 1900s to 1961. Now let's get to Woodhaven because we've got another 20 years of history to tack onto this bad boy. And it doesn't get any prettier than it was before.

I would actually say it gets almost uglier in some ways. It's worse. It does. So in 1962, Waverly Hills reopened as Woodhaven Medical Services and was essentially a nursing home for the elderly as well as the mentally ill or the severely handicapped.

And so it was early, they kept doing the electro-stock therapy and they did lobotomies on these aging patients for unknown reasons. You know, there was no specified reasons why they would do it just because they could do it. You know when you see that rest home on 60 minutes? That was Woodhaven.

I mean, not literally Woodhaven, but that's the kind of stuff that's going on there. You know, this reminds me of like the second season of American Horror Story where they had this like crazy doctor that just did all these random experiments just because it could not because he was actually trying to help people or further science. It was basically like they enjoyed torturing their patients. Well, this isn't the kind of place where you take grandma just because grandma can't take care of anymore.

This is where you take grandma because nobody wants to deal with grandma. You kind of want to shove grandma out of the way and move on to life. This is the drop your time member off and I'm done with you and basically people are just abandoned there. But the staff reported that basically people would be lying in their own feces, their own urine.

The place was just over the top of the fester with cockroaches. Again, it was also asylum so they had mentally ill patients there. But they were again experimenting on patients and neglecting patients. So I got to get you up.

They would strip them and then they would lock them in the room. In fact, all the rooms had locks. They put locks on the outside of all of their doors. And they'd be chained up in their rooms or tied to a chair for hours and hours on end.

One nurse actually reported that she saw a patient who was actually tied to a chair kind of slumped over and she actually went to go kind of help the patient. One of the other nurses who'd been there a lot longer said, you know what, don't even bother going over there. She'll be dead soon. And I mean just neglecting gross, neglect, gross mistreatment.

Again, when you hear about the horrible rest homes on 60 minutes, that's the kind of stuff that was going on here times to him. It was just kind of a here's where you put grandma out of forget about them and you don't want to deal with him or see him ever again. This is where you took that age of level. And you can't think that those torture spirits weren't sticking around either.

You're adding to those, you know, you're going to get an angry grandma. I mean, I've had an angry grandma before and she was alive. So anyway, after that it was closed in 1981. The state of Kentucky came in and investigated.

And because of the severe neglect, it was closed down in 1981. Yeah, it's cord-ordered that they shut down just because of how bad the neglect and abuse was there at that particular location. Let's get into a little bit of some of the haunted stories that occurred there at Waverley. Now, anytime you've got any kind of institution that's been around since, you know, 1926 to 1981, you're going to have a lot of employees there.

You have a lot of guests there. You're going to have some history aside from just the standard medical treatments. Now, one of my favorite stories that I came across when I was investigating this and not looking into it was a story of room 502. And 502 has got a couple pieces of controversial history that go along with it.

One of the stories was that there's a nurse in room 502 who actually committed suicide in that room. And then basically went out on the balcony of the room and jumped and died. And it said that she haunts the hospital. The other one that really kind of stuck with me and kind of freaked me out just a little bit was another nurse there.

Her name was Mary. And it was rumored that she got pregnant by one of the doctors there at Waverley. But unfortunately, this doctor was married and was not married to Mary. Basically, he didn't want anything to do with her at that point after she got pregnant and really didn't want anything to do with the child.

There's a couple of versions of this. I'm not sure which one's true. But one was that basically the doctor and a couple other male employees kind of ambushed Mary one night while she was working, dragged her into a room and basically performed an impromptu abortion on her. The doctor and the two male individuals panicked, basically took her out, tied a noose around one of the pipes, and put her under neck and the doctor kicked the chair out from underneath her and she hung and died there.

The other version of that story is that she died during the impromptu abortion and they decided to make it stage and took a suicide and hung her outside of room 502. It was also said that they took me aboard a baby and actually hit it among the tuberculosis patients going out the death tunnel to kind of hide the evidence of the baby. But it said there's a lot of activity dealing with Mary there around room 502. Well, they said with that baby, they said they actually put it in the coffin of another person who died.

To hide the evidence so that the baby was basically was buried with this other person. Right. And with them being tuberculosis patients, I don't think they were doing open casket funerals for these people as well, those who were whose bodies were picked up and taken to the family plot. And so it was a really easy way just to hide the evidence and there would be keep quiet about it.

So, Tim, what was one of your favorite hunting stories? You know, I actually heard this one on an episode of haunted places that was recently released. And there was one, it was during the time that it was the... all folks home.

But they talked about how there was this lady that was being mistreated and the lady basically said to the doctor, like you better treat me right because you're making my friend angry and if you don't treat me right, my friend is going to hurt you. And the doctor didn't think much of it because, you know, again, you talked about how at the hospital that it was also a mental institute, basically. So I guess there was one day the lady was a camera-burner name, but she was up on the roof just kind of enjoying the sun. And the doctor came up or the nurse or whoever, he came up and basically started yelling at her and being abusive towards her.

And apparently he felt the negative energy just overwhelmed them more or less. And I believe he saw what they described as a little girl with black sockets where her eyes should be. So basically when they're describing this... Basically when they're describing this spirit or the specter or inhuman entity that this guy saw, basically sounded like they're describing Lucy to me.

But it freaked the guy out so much that he quit on the spot and left. He didn't even collect his last paycheck. He was done at that point. And I guess the...

I don't remember what happened with the lady, but that one stuck out to me the most just because it reminded me so much of Lucy. And how close this lady was with the spirit that... the spirit actually stood up for her and scared the crap out of the sky that was abusing her. But yeah, that's the story that's like the most to me.

There were other accounts of her as well. Her actual... the swear to girls name was Mary Lee. She was a little girl.

I never saw the history on how she got there if she was a patient. But she's also... they mentioned that she has no eyes. That she laughs a lot.

That she used to talk to a lot of the people there in the nursing home and she would ask them to play with her. And supposedly she also plays with the ball, but I think that was... Timmy was the one that was more famous for playing with the ball. Do you want to talk about Timmy?

Yeah, Timmy's interesting. Timmy O'Shea. And I mentioned a little earlier in the podcast and basically Timmy did not have tuberculosis, but his parents did. And so Timmy didn't have anybody to care for him.

So Timmy was there staying at the hospital. And basically would play the ball down the halls with the medical staff there. Now, Waverly Hills, built in 1926, does not have the same standards and safety standards that we do here in 2019. And the playground was on part of the roof of this building.

Now, Timmy... and there's again two versions of this story. Timmy was playing on the roof and either went after his ball, lost his balance and fell off the roof and died. There's also another version where basically one of the patients who had tuberculosis in the brain and so was mentally ill actually threw Timmy off the roof.

Where Timmy plummeted five stories and basically fell to his death. But it's reported that Timmy Spirit is seen there at the hospital quite a bit. You can hear him and hear his ball bouncing down the hallways at night when there's nobody around. People actually bring balls there.

Soccer balls or those nice rubber kick balls that hit you in the face and leave that nice big well. I'm not sure what those balls are called but I love those. But anyway, people will bring those in as you investigate there, at least they used to. You'd find those balls at various different places around the hospital.

You know, there's another report too that after the hospital was abandoned that there was a homeless man who had taken up residence there for a short period of time. And I was remember that either he or him and his dog either fell or pushed into one of the elevator shafts and actually fell to their deaths. And their spirits are often seen there and him and his dog through the hospital from time to time. There's another spirit supposedly named Ralph who was a maintenance man.

He used to work there and people report hearing sounds like chains or like the big keyring of keys jangling as he walks around the building. And then my favorite one was what they call, I mean I think it's like lots of different shadow people. You know, seeing shadows all over the place and I don't doubt that for a second. But this is one that they call the creeper which is, you know, these days that's like a creepy guy.

That's the children story. The guy at the park watching his fucking mouth. Do the creep. The guy that's shopping for Christmas toys.

But he doesn't have kids anyway. So they talk about how you get this kind of unshakable feeling that there's someone watching you and you kind of see him out of the corner of your eye. But then when you turn them look they're gone. And we've all witnessed that before.

We've all had that before. But they say that right before he shows up his presence is foreshadowed by feeling that all happiness has been sucked out of the world. So just a minute. Cold and dark.

Yeah, right. And then disturbing that he has no face. I have a powder reference. And he crawls around in all fours like an animal.

More like an animal than a man. He's usually seen scuttling along the walls and the ceiling on the fourth floor. And one of the things that he likes to do is he'll run down the hall towards visitors. And as he's running at them he kind of runs up the side of the hallway up on the wall and then up onto the ceiling.

So he's approaching kind of upside down from the ceiling. And then he'll stop and he'll hang over his intended victims and growl at them and kind of scare them that way. To me that sounds kind of similar doesn't it? I want to growl right back out.

I would. If something, if I actually heard, I know you've heard Audible Growls Castle. I personally haven't. But I've seen Lucy before appear as Anubis basically with this decayed jackal face.

And there's not a lot that scares me as much as it used to. And seeing something like that I'd probably be like, I almost would say I'd be worked at this point and just be like, you know, is that the best you can do? I'm gonna bring it. That's what's kind of funny because the first time I went to family tree I got growled at.

And that was the, I thought you would think that would be scary. But I thought it was the coolest thing ever. I'm like, do it again, you guys check it out. I was like, I just want to get something like that on video.

I think that would be awesome. It's like recording and seeing this thing charge at me and growl at me. You know, it's interesting because we talked about the Creeper before we even started recording the episode. And you mentioned that you sounded kind of type three-ish.

And it seems like anywhere there's a large number of spirits that seems to track type three spirits. And I've kind of noticed, and I think you guys probably agree with this, that it seems like where there's a lot of spirits. A type three likes to kind of get involved and see if it can kind of dominate human spirits. Well, especially a place that had a lot of tragedy and like abuse.

Like they didn't win. It was the old folks home. I mean, if they were neglecting and abusing those people, that all that negative energy is going to attract a type three. It just goes hand in hand, basically, in my opinion.

Yeah, I was gonna say, I would be surprised if there were several in that particular. Oh, yeah. That's a lot of space to. Oh, I already know there is.

A brandy looked at several pictures and I mean, just every single picture that she looked at there's a lot of a spirit. Well, you know, it's interesting because a lot of people who have been there have reported seeing what they call like brown imps. They're kind of in black creatures that are brown and they capture a lot of those on video and photographs. You know, actually took the time to actually watch a documentary once.

And unfortunately, there's no such poor resolution that you couldn't really see anything. But they showed numerous pictures of pixelated circles that they claimed were these little brown imps. But again, they had a lot of eye-witnesses who had claimed to have seen them as well along with a lot of shadow figures. You know, some of the other activity that people reported there is that when there was no power to building, seeing lights turn on, odd smells, kind of like you said, if you go there in the morning, you can sometimes smell breakfast.

Somebody actually got an EVP of put it out when somebody had a little cigarette inside, which is kind of interesting because you know they went along smoking at the brick and lots of hospitals, because everybody's lungs are crap, so they're not going to allow somebody to smoke in there. But tons and tons of activity in this particular location, which is exactly what you'd expect with as many people who had died there. Totally. So in the early 2000s, the Mattingleys couple bought the place.

They would have bought myself with different people before. There was an idea of turning it into a prison and that kind of fell flat when the finding fell flat. There was another place that had another man who had bought it with the idea of making it into a hotel. He ended up selling it that Tim talked about, so there were several different owners that kept changing hands.

For what reason other people couldn't get rid of it fast enough. So finally, this couple of Mattingleys bought it and they conduct both historical and tonditors. They run a Smoot-Galley Halloween. And honestly, I think that would probably be one of the creepiest Smoot-Galleys.

I'm not much for Smoot-Galleys because I can't stand the notches teenagers that won't get out of my way. But... You should never go through one with me then. Why, will you just be a notches teenager who won't get out of my way?

No, you've told me that, yes. Or do you scream like a little girl? Whatever you want, as long as I don't know what he's doing. Okay, I'm not going.

But they've been working to restore the building and with the plans of turning it into a B&B. And so they'll have all of the administrative offices on the first floor. The next three floors will, two, three and four will be rooms. And then they'll have a restaurant on the fifth floor where the children's ward and the insane patients were first.

That's the first. I'd say if I had the money to buy it, I'd totally buy it and restore it. And it's currently under construction. If you look at recent video of it, it's very much more cleaned up.

There was one documentary I'd watch where they were investigating it and there was a lot of construction material there. But they would still let people come in. And in fact, they had people working down on a different part of the building at night. And they're like, oh yeah, we can hear that.

That's just the construction guys down on the first floor. I wonder what if any stories of construction guys have with working there on the property? I'm sure there's a bunch. Anyway, well, do you guys have anything else we've talked about with me really?

No, see, I've seen on lots of TV shows. The list of shows that's been on were actually pretty long. The only one that I've seen that I've seen that I've seen on all these shows that I've watched is Supernatural. There's an episode where they go there.

It's kind of cool. That's true. I've seen that episode. Alright, well, let's move on then.

Let's get into our Stone of the Week, Demathus. Stone! Everybody must get stoned. Alright, it's time to get stoned.

Okay, so this week's stone is Chevron Amethyst. I know I've talked about Amethyst before, but I'm talking about Chevron Amethyst this week. Because when I had my little channeling session at Mike's house with my higher self, I was told to talk about Three Stones. I've talked about the other two, which is Carnelian and Blackman Stone.

This week is Chevron Amethyst, or it's also known as Banded Amethyst. Chevron Amethyst is actually a combination of Amethyst and white quartz. It's mixed together naturally in a V-shape or banded pattern, which is why it's called Banded Amethyst. Chevron Amethyst combines the strengthening and enhancing qualities of quartz with the stress-relieving and intuitive capabilities of Amethyst.

This symbiotic combination of minerals is what makes this amazingly spiritual stone. Metaphysically speaking, it's said to enhance the peace of mind, relaxation, and self-discovery. It's also said to bring courage and inner strength. It helps to remove resistance to change, and dissipates and repels negative energies of all kinds.

It creates a strong healing field around the user. It's an especially good choice in crystals for cleansing the aura and enhancing the immune system. It's also said to deepen the meditative state, amplifying the energies needed for a manifestation. It's also said to diminish any addictive tendencies and assist in recovering from any addictions that may be present.

I know Mike's got his here, and I've got my carrying mind in my pocket as well. I know I promised that I'll get pictures up, and I will do the best I can this next week to actually get pictures taken of the stones that I'm talking about. I'm getting links to websites that actually go into more detail than I give about these stones. That's where this week was.

I was just chilling with this. I really like my Chevron, and this is one of the ones when I take a chance to meditate and use stones. I read somewhere that you can stick it on your third eye and then it will help open up your mind and your awareness and also your abilities. If you have abilities, that's not like me, a complete muggle who has no magical abilities or no set of activities whatsoever.

Because it's that kind of thought that keeps you that way. It's funny that you mention that because I actually have what they call cozy phones. It's headphones that's basically in a headband that you can put on so when you're sleeping it doesn't feel it. You can actually listen to music when you're sleeping.

I use that when I meditate and it's funny because I actually take my chevron amethyst because mine's shaped like a quarter or whatnot. I actually take mine and I will put it in between the band and my forehead and I'll actually have that on my third eye when I do my meditation. I completely forgot about that part of chevron amethyst but I actually do that and I don't think I've ever told you that before. No, it's just something I'd read so I started doing it too and I feel like a dork every time I do it.

But hey if it works, be a dork. That's my whole trend of thought on stones in general is that I don't know what they'll do what they say they do but why not? Worst case scenario, I'm holding on to a rock best case scenario. That's exactly what it is said today.

That's a pretty rock too. Alright, you guys ready? Yes sir. Buckle in because I got a good one for you.

Everybody buckle? It's time for weird, a paranormal news. Can you see me? A North Carolina college student who thought she was dealing with a ghost in her closet ended up catching an intruder trying on her clothes.

Since I've been living here, I've been having pieces of clothing missing like shirts, pants, the student identified as Maddie, told at WGHP. She says she also found handprints on her walls and mirror. Maddie is a junior at the University of North Carolina at Greensboro and lives in an apartment near campus with her roommates. They all thought they were doing with a ghost until Saturday when Maddie made a shocking discovery.