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Welcome everybody to Episode 69 of the Serial Chillers Podcast from the Super Network Studio. I am here with co-host Greg and his bunker across the internet. You'll have to add this on a post, I'm sorry. How goes it, co-host Greg?
I'm alright. I'm just showing a shit. Yeah, hella Greg, showing the bunker, doing the damn thing. That's the general drill, right?
Yeah, pretty much. Alright. Swayco's. Well, I have two returning guests in the studio.
You've been here many times before. Robbie, your fourth time, correct? I think what's my fourth time. Fourth time, welcome back, Robbie!
Hello. Yay. Ah. His 73rd time here in the studio.
Welcome back. We lost all the theme songs, so don't prepare for it. I love you all. This guy's been on the show a couple times, so it's the first time making an appearance in the studio.
Welcome to the motherfucking studio, Colton. Thank you very, very much. Oh, dude, that horn hit me with it. Yeah.
Yeah. Sorry. I got to update my soundboard. So, oh man, fuck yeah, it is going to be a good episode, you guys.
And I know that you guys know how the show works. Let me explain it for anybody that doesn't, each week. I sit down with old friends, new friends, good friends, and bad friends to tell the story of an infamous serial killer throughout the show. You guys can chime in on my story.
And if you brought a story of your own, that is true crime, dark, creepy, unsolved, or otherwise mysterious, please feel free to share it. Lastly, if you have questions about questions, make sure to ask questions because I cannot answer questions about questions if you never ask questions. Are there any questions? Nope.
Then welcome to, and let's play, the serial chiller's podcast. It's just so beautiful, I just hear it and it rolls off and it's just, hey, you guys, your serial, tell me, have you heard of Wayne Adam Ford? Nope. Nope.
You got to be kidding. You never heard of Wayne Adam Ford. Surprisingly not. Oh my gosh, I didn't get you guys car.
It's all the table right in case of there. All right, question number one, in what year? Let me just do it again. You do better.
Question number one. Hit it. In what year was Wayne Adam Ford born? Closest to the answer gets 250 points.
If you know it, you get one, Solsund. Robbie says 1950, Colton says 1957, Casey says 1968. No 69. Colton is on the board.
He was born December 3rd, 1961. Look at the satisfaction on his face. He does look quite sad. I'll just read it again.
I always start strong with that. I fluck it up every time. Only I believe 10 or 11 questions. Actually I won maybe last time, but.
Oh, really remember. Yeah, I never got to sound like a gift or nothing like that. Yeah, that's because here at the serial chiller's podcast, it's the show where when you win, you don't win. So he's born December 3rd, 1961 in Petaluma, California.
He is the second son of an American father, Calvin Eugene Ford, and a German immigrant, his mother, Karen Regit Dansiger. Entermaiden. Dansig? Yeah, wib, wib, wib, wib, wib, wib.
His father joined the army in 1956 and tested into the top 1% and would work in signal intelligence. So he listened to Radio Chatter and had a buffed off secret clearance. Dobe, US military, as hell as say. He did the damn thing.
The army is how he would meet his wife, Wayne's mother. He was stationed in Ho Jesus Christ. Herzo Generat, about 14 miles or 22.5k from Nuremberg, Germany. 1963, he's two years old.
He falls off a step and hits his head and bleeds a lot. Let's just start to make a ton of try out now, right? It's a pretty serious injury. Then I'll bump to the head.
He hits his head and he falls off one step, hits another corner and batches his little baby skull. And does some bleeding? He gets some stitches. He's fine in the end, but he does take a spill.
Is he fine in the end, though? Well, I mean, because we're talking about him now. Yeah, that's true. So in his youth, he's never close to his parents.
This is due in large part to his parents' relationship, which had never been normal. His father was an American GI who Karen's parents believed was stealing their daughter away and did not agree to them being married. So he goes east-station in Germany. He finds a nice German woman that he enjoys.
He's like, can I do a merry go with me? Maybe like, can I do a merry go with me? Maybe like, can I do a merry go with me? Seriously?
Like, you know what? Just what shit just happened? And so she's like, yes, I will go. And that was good.
That was good. That was good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And her mom's like, the fuck you will.
And she's like, well, then I was going to get pregnant. Like, what do you think of that? And then we're going to have to get married. So, you know, I'm like, checkmate technically correct is best correct.
So she, yeah, you know, they get a classic little American GI. He was out soiling his oats and found himself in a close relationship with a woman that he ends up getting maybe a little over his head, let's just say. So from the beginning, it's never really a loving relationship. It just sort of projected onto their son throughout his life.
They had two sons, Rodney and Wayne. Wayne goes mostly by Adam. I'm calling Wayne because fuck him. Although they were not close.
His mother always said that he was a good listener and even more so than his older brother, Rodney. He was the good kid, you know? Like, wait, are they all? No, they're not.
They're not. But he was in this case. He was pretty obedient to his mother. He and his brother were classic brothers.
They were like, you'd expect brothers that are only about a year and a half apart. They fucking fought like cats and dogs at one point during one particular fist fight. Bloody one another's nose is in exchanged black eyes. So, yeah, I mean, it's like, yeah, it's fairly standard, fairly standard.
One time my brother sides, so I mean with the toolbox. Shit. Yeah. So, you know, you just keep your head on a swivel or else I'll put it on a swivel for you, right?
Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's the guy Johnny Hammer sticks. Fucking hammering away like he's fucking Tommy Noble. Get real.
You're right. Those things, 5, 6, 4, 3. So anyway, he and his brother, yeah, they're always duking it out. They're getting like in small scuffs of the law.
You know, they're like vandalizing shit. They're breaking into places and they're just being overall, you know, kid, shithead, fuck face causing havoc. Question number two, how would his mother attempt to get her misbehaving sons in line? Would it be a psychologist, b, exploring religions, c, Eastern medicine, or d, she didn't get them help.
Psychologists exploring religions, Eastern medicine, or she did not get them help. Alright, Robbie and Colton both say exploring religions, case he says, fuck that, she didn't get them any help. Robbie and Colton are going to score points because yes, his mother did indeed go out and try to, when I say religions, I mean that she went to many churches over many months, different religions, and tried them out, you know, like see which one fit for her. And I think in the end she landed the Seventh-day Adventist Church.
So just in case you were wondering, it's all the research has been done, that's the best one. Alright, so I just ask Karen Danziger. Okay, alright, got it, got that out there, guys? No, yeah, so she's going around church to church, essentially at this time, Jean, the husband, he's got a really high ranking job in the military, it's sending him all over the world.
She didn't have a whole lot of trust for him because she was thinking about the way that they met, and he's just over there with every opportunity to do just that, and she assumes for the most part that he is doing that. So he's there and she's exploring all these religions here. When he gets back from wherever he lasts was, she decides that she's going to leave Jean. Two, question number three, a weapon would be involved in the breakup altercation.
What type of weapon? This one is just open. If you get it, it's 250 points. There are a lot of weapons, I know, but there are not so many.
We're talking specific weapons or objects as weapons. Objects can be weapons. Yeah, yeah, if you're incredibly specific with it, like a K-Bar knife, I'll give you extra points or whatever, you know. Okay, have we got something?
Like it's PUBG or what? What? It's frying pan. Robbie says hammer.
A knife. A knife from Bigfoot, and wouldn't you know it on this great night? None of you scored any points on that one because everybody skipped the most obvious and didn't realize there was a 38-caliber pistol. I was like, I want to make this one open because guns seem too obvious.
Nobody's going to guess it. I'm getting good at this shit, dude. So right now, after three of 11 questions, Colton's got the lead 500 to 250, Bigfoot at this time, currently playing the game. Operation.
He got out. He's sucking the hind teeth. The most unused. So yes, on the night that she told him, she was going to leave him, he pulled out the 38 special, and pretty much said, don't fucking do this.
You don't want to do this. So in her mind, she's like, he's going to fucking kill me. He's going to kill the kids. He's going to kill himself.
They're going to somebody to fight us all dead in this house. But she knew that they kept the bullets in a separate place from the gun, just in case their fuckface asshole boys found it. So she tries to wrestle the gun out of his hand, initially realizing that she's not going to be able to do it. She's going to kill her right then and there.
She claims that neither boy woke up during this time, but to me it seems very fucking doubtful that during an altercation between your parents' screening and someone's got a gun and a wrestling match that you wouldn't wake up and be traumatized as fuck by this entire thing. So that's just my opinion. I don't know anything. I've only done 69 episodes of a serial killer podcast in 1969.
She goes over to the gun. She's going to be a little bit more than a guy. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that.
I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that.
I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that.
That's not going to be a killer podcast. Nice 69. She goes over. He gets the police call and goes back and says like I got to get the boys.
She felt guilty of shit for running out leaving him, but she figured dead. And he is not very good for anything. So she goes back trying to get the boys. She's trying to sneak in at the time the police pull up.
They roll up and help her out in a situation. They take her husband away because he had kicked her ass a little bit and pulled a gun on her. So he goes to jail for the night and they see each other two days later while she's taking shit away from the house and she's like got a restraining order at this point and I believe that because of the nature of the threat she was allowed to have the police tag and they were looking at her house. And she told the police, like, you can let him through to get his stuff he wants.
And he just came in and said, I get it, you won. And that was like his book you, a giddy beach. So question number three, 50, 50, Wayne and his brother are going to move in with which parent first after the divorce, 50, 50. They move in with Mom, they move in with Dad.
I never get so much backstory on the parents of Syria. It was a nice actually read up book for this episode, what you know. Colton says, Dad, Mom from both Robbie and Bigfoot. Colton knows what he's doing.
We've been up in the world, 750 points for Colton, because yes, although it may not seem like 300 miles for this shit. Although it may not seem like that is what happened. He does, yes, indeed move in with Calvin Eugene Ford. A funny thing about this family is everybody goes by their goddamn middle name, all the males of the family.
So his name's actually Calvin Ford. Calvin Eugene goes by Dean Ford. This is Wayne Adam Ford. He likes to go by Adam, like I said, fucking, we'll call him Wayne all the way.
I'm never going to say Adam again for the rest of this shit. Stupid, yeah, fuck you, Wayne. Fucking now your middle name is Wayne. It's twice, Wayne, Wayne, Wayne.
If you're still alive, you can call the serial chiller's podcast at that. 856-62513, fuck you. Yeah, so, you know, yeah. He moves in with his dad.
The divorce is very difficult for Wayne. I don't think that divorce is very easy on kids really ever, but his parents were not divorced amicably. They didn't have a good relationship before the divorce. They were not carrying a good relationship after the divorce.
So as a kid, he just remembers this as being very painful for him. And he's like 12 at this point. So he's like developing a motionally as like a man. And he's probably getting real fucked up by these.
I mean, like I said, the parents claim that he stayed asleep, but odds are he at least heard his dad pull a fucking gun on his mom one night. So, wow, shit. My parents like raised their voice arguing. I mean, they were like, oh my god, they're going to get divorced tomorrow.
Yeah, like it was never ever fucking serious at all. But like, they're going to get divorced, dude. I don't know how we're going to be able to live here. So it's crazy.
Yeah, it's crazy. But it is. So he's still 12 years old. He's going to stay with a family friend.
After the troubles between his mom and his dad, he doesn't want to stay with either of them. I think that is adds to how exactly rough it is that he's not even saying with either of them. At this point, he's just like, well, I'm saying it like, Uncle Jeff or whatever. He's saying it was somebody who's like closely related to the family, but not a relative because he just can't fucking handle the tension between he and his parents.
In 1976, he's now 15. His father is going to remarry, which greatly upset Wayne Wayne. He felt like he was not able to make a decision in this at all. Like his dad didn't ask him permission.
He didn't ask, you know, what do you think of this girl? He just said, like, hey, I'm about to marry old. What's her face here? And congratulations.
She's a new step-mile, Wayne Wayne Wayne. He's like, I don't know if I like that. So he's, you know, not that it's his fucking business, really, but he's very upset about the fact that his father chose to remarry so soon. It's been six years since the divorce.
And he decides that after this, he's going to move from the family friends and with his actual uncle Jimmy, his mom's brother. His uncle Jimmy doesn't make him follow many rules, if any. So Wayne decides that he's going to drop out of high school because school ain't cool and fucking anyway and joins the military. You guys know what's coming?
Question number four, which branch of the military did he join? What do you guys got? Which branch of the military did he join? We'll start on the left.
And then what he says is that Marines, the army from Colton, the army from Bigfoot. They have an army written down across the house. And somebody thinks they got it because they're other branches. You guys didn't cover it.
You join the Coast Guard or the Navy? Like you wanted to go sell the semis? Whatever it was, it wasn't the Canadian Air Force. I was saying, some more.
It seemed like eight months later after that episode came out. It's really awesome. Nah, some people are going to know. Those true fans will be like, yeah.
So, Robby scores because, yes, in January of 1979, at 17 years old, he became age eligible to join the Marine Corps. Congratulations, Robby. 250 points. Robby now has 500.
That's a sick victory dance, too. Colton, 750. I don't know if I call it a dance. It's more of a pose like a bigfoot still playing the dance.
I didn't mean to do that. No, it's good. It's good. I like people to know what's going on.
In October of 1980s, now 19 years old, he meets Kelly Dick, who becomes enamored with him. You amateur. Yes, he and Kelly Dick, who becomes enamored with him. They meet on a blind date.
They were set up by a coworker of Wayne Waines. And he works at a very fine establishment. Question number six, where did Wayne work at the time when he met Kelly Dick? Was it a, Shaky's Pizza, b, Safeway, c, McDonald's, or d, Unical 76?
Where did Wayne work? What's his app? Shaky's Safeway, McDonald's Unical 76. All right, Bigfoot and Robby both say McDonald's.
Colton says 76. But wouldn't you know what you guys? He worked at Shaky's Pizza. Fuck.
That's right, 19 year old Wayne Waines IV was holding it down over at Shaky's, as Colton is holding down the lead, 750, 500. What do you think drove him to be a serial killer? Roll. Roll.
You know, the life he lived, the terrible pizza. Yeah, the Shaky's Pizza. Shaky's, it was only Shaky's. I can't say for certain that I've had Shaky's Pizza.
Never been. Does it still exist? Yeah. Yeah, it is.
All right. Let's go Shaky's. OK, so November of 1980 is now 19 years old. He's hit by a drunk driver causing head injuries that were quite severe.
Check two. The accident pushed the vehicle that he was in down a 40 foot embankment. He lost a lot of his front teeth and had a lot of permanent mouth damage and a massive concussion. He was initially put into the ICU, and it was indeed very serious.
So it was a fucking gnarly accident. I think what happened. Why didn't he have just died then? That's if only.
You know, man, if only. So he was in a car. He was in a car and not at fault. Right.
He was going around a curve and the truck was taking it too sharply. And they pushed him out onto an embankment. And he went down 40 feet. I didn't know if he was in a car.
He was in a vehicle, pushed down the embankment. It flipped a few times. The airbag went off in his face. There was a bad news bear situation.
So oh, and the guy was drunk who had done it as well. So he's in the ICU. People around him, after this whole situation, they're going to say they notice a very noticeable change and who he was. And he will later claim that this was when he began to have murderous desires.
Yes. Question number seven. After he recovers, what is the next big thing he does? Does he have Kelly move in with him?
Do they allope to Las Vegas? Does Kelly get pregnant? Or does he leave Kelly? Does she move in with him?
Is it a lot of Las Vegas? Is Kelly pregnant or leaves her? All right. It's for some of you guys while you answer something different.
Bigfoot says, Lever, Colton says, lost wages. And Robbie says, which one's the other one? Moving in with her. That's right.
And Colton's going to extend his lead because in May of 1981 at 20 years old, he and Kelly Dick elope to Las Vegas. Look at you, Colton. Colton, 1,000 points. Robbie, 500 Bigfoot.
Not on the board yet. Four questions to go. You guys know how it goes. Once the murderer starts.
There's not a whole lot of description of murder in this one. I just want to be clear. I know some people just love that shit. And we're not known for it.
So we're not really getting the bizarre story in and of itself. And for whatever reason, I don't know. Because when we see in the end, it's fucking wild. There should be more about the story.
And I'm not sure why there isn't. Because enough time has passed where there should be. But I'm giving you everything. And he got.
So. I'm going to flip off. Yeah. So he and Kelly Dick elope in Las Vegas.
They have a whirlwind of love affair. And he's a changed man, though. And she said she was noticing this. Instead of the mild man or man he was just a few months later, he was forcing Kelly to get an abortion.
After that, understandably, they began to drift apart. He was way, way, way sorry. How did he force her? She got pregnant.
And I think she wanted to keep it. And he was like, nah. No, I'll drive you there. You'll go in there.
We'll fucking get this taken care of. Just a few months later in 1981 at the age of 20, his demeanor has changed quite a bit from that fun, loving, mild mannered guy to forcing Kelly Dick to get an abortion. After that, understandably, they began to drift apart. January of 1982, he has oral sex exchange for the 15-year-old who said that she had been raped by Wayne, causing Wayne to run off.
Later, he's arrested for an attempted rape on the young woman. He would first deny the allegations, but later admit to his wrongdoing. Yeah. So in 1984, he's going to finally and eventually be charged with the attempted rape.
Question number eight, what would be his charge for this attempted rape? Would it be 15 to 20 years? Remember he's still in the military this time. So he's being tried in the military.
15 to 20 years, five years. One year probation, or he sent home from his base in Okinawa. 15 to 20 years, five years, one year probation, sent home from base. Colton says sent home.
Robbie said probation. Probation. Bigfoot said five years. He thinks they got it right.
Probably Colton. Colton thinks he got it right. You guys are all correct on that one. Colton did get it.
The other wrecks, the only punishment he truly received was being sent home from his post in Okinawa, Japan. Being the military would be a copy of anything. Ooh, yeah, I said that. Hot take.
All those MPs out there. Hot take. So after eight Bigfoot still being shut out for just, I just can't believe what's happening here. The first time in his career, Colton has 1,250 points.
Robbie has 500. Robbie needs to get the next three correct without Colton scoring any points on them. Bigfoot has, I don't remember if there's any stabbing. We'll have to take it.
I'm going to stab it all of them per listener request. Yeah. You all need to stab more often? All right.
I should have written more stabbing. Sorry. Sorry. More stabbing.
That's what we need. At least there'll be more episodes provided. So yeah, he's sitting home from his base on Okinawa, Japan. Let's take an actual break right here.
We're going to come back. Robbie has a fucking crazy bat shit story, crazy fucking wild shit story for us. So we'll jump into that. Shit, we'll trip you out, yo.
And come back or we'll kill you. Welcome back, everybody to episode 69. And welcome back, yes. So we're here with Robbie, who's going to tell us a tantalizing story that is one of both mystery, intrigue, and murder.
Brutal ass murder. Yeah, so I won't go into it anymore. Robbie, stay and get away. Thank you.
So I'm going to tell the story tonight of Sylvia Likens. Sylvia Likens was born January 3, 1949. She was a third child of five to carnival workers, Lester Likens and Elizabeth Francis. Oh, sorry.
Her artifact, her older siblings and her younger siblings were both set to twins. They're both paternal twins. So I thought that was kind of cool. Because I thought she's one of five kids.
And it's just like the twins. Twins, twins. She probably felt so left out. Probably.
Probably. She was really close with her younger sister, Jenny, one of the twins. But the family was poor. The parents were carnival workers.
And so they would kind of spend time with different family members, relatives, and uncles, this kind of whoever could help kind of keep them up on their schoolwork. Jenny and Sylvia were actually then, in 1965, they were sent to live with a family friend who they were sent to live with. Her name was Gertrude van Zuski. Is it van Zuski?
Is it what's the last name is? It's almost assuredly incorrect. Probably. Yeah, probably.
I'll back you on. We'll just call her Gertrude what we'll call her. And Gerti. Mama G.
Mama G. Mama G. And Gertrude had seven other kids who live in the house as well. And in exchange for Sylvia and Jenny living there, Gertrude would be paid $20 a week.
And this was in 1965. So according to Greg, that's $160-ish, right, Greg? Is that what we said? No, it was $165.
$65.50. There we go. Thank you. Oh, $160.09.
$160.09. Which isn't terrible. You're talking like, you know, $600 a month. Right.
Now. Just to kind of care for them and let them live there. But I mean, everything started off fine. But eventually when Gertrude wouldn't receive the money, on time, she then would take it out on the girls, specifically Sylvia.
And it eventually kind of started to get physical with Sylvia. She'd be beaten. She'd be verbally abused. And it slowly, slowly, slowly started to get worse.
Eventually, all the other kids started joining in on the beatings with them. And they would put out cigarettes on Sylvia. They actually carved, I'm a prostitute, and I like it into her belly. Seems so inefficient to deliver your message.
Right. She's very inefficient. She'd give her scolding hot baths to try and cleanse her of her sins. Because she made Sylvia out to be this promiscuous person, hence the I'm a prostitute, and I like it.
And that's what other people thought of Sylvia, even though this wasn't true. She'd be pushed downstairs. And eventually, Sylvia just kind of, her body became so kind of just ragged that she couldn't control her bow. She would wet the bed.
Yeah. She was just kind of done. She would wet the bed. She had no control of her bowels.
And when she would do that, she'd get beaten even more because Gertrude would get pissed off at her. And there was one point where Gertrude hit her so hard that she broke her own hand. And so after getting her hand casted, she then beat her with her casted hand. There were a couple other details that I won't go into because if you want to know you can look them up yourself, they're just brutal.
Everything's really, really brutal. Everything. Yeah, it gets super bad. She's nasty.
October 25th, 1965, she gets put down into the basement and gets locked in the basement. She tries to escape a couple of times and gets beaten for this. And Gertrude actually basically steps on her head and crushes her head. And a day later, Sylvia actually dies from those injuries.
And there's a picture that I can send you, a couple of pictures that I found of the house and the body and that kind of stuff. It's just crazy to me that the other kids got involved. It was so weird, Stockholm that they were like, it's OK, we're just going to stop around and get it. It's normal.
Right. And other neighbor kids. A couple of neighbor kids actually got involved in it as well. And they took part in the beatings.
Neighbors would do welfare checks. And they got persuaded into watching these beatings. And so many people were involved in it that turn to blind eye or they just didn't care what they were seeing. It's fucking wild.
So then what Gertrude did was a couple of days before Sylvia's death, she had Sylvia write, basically write a note, force her to write a note that she was beaten and abused by these two men because she was a prostitute and saying that these men did this. And that these men did this and that's all she died. So then she convinces one of the children to go to a payphone and call the police, how the police come to check this out. Well, then when the police come and they check everything out, they're getting ready to leave.
And Jenny, the sister who's still there, tells the cops, if you get me out of here, I will tell you everything. So they get Jenny out of there and they arrest Gertrude and Gertrude's sentence to life in prison, all the other various people involved with it. They were sentenced to different types of sentences. Gertrude only serves about 20 years of her life sentence.
She got a retrial and was found guilty again for life sentence and she only served about 20 years. She got out, actually, yeah, pushed in 1980s, she got out, I believe it was. And then she died like four years of lung cancer. When she got out, she took a different name and lived on her different name and died like four years later.
At least she died real quick. Yeah, pretty quick. The other kids involved served their time and got out. One, one of the youngest daughters basically turned and testified against the family and she got no time.
Do you know how old some of the youngest kids were? Like 15 was the youngest. They weren't old enough to know, because I was gonna say it's weird to be like, seven years old and go into a neighborhood kid's house and I'm not saying you don't know right from wrong, but like, yeah, you see the mom kick the kid. Yeah, yeah, we all just kick her here.
That's what we do. Oh, okay. The youngest was actually 10, excuse me. It was 17, 15, 12, 11, 10, and there was a baby.
And the baby was doing it too? Baby was like, fuck you! So one of them turned and like didn't get any gel time because she turned and she changed her name. She had, you know, basically like the police were gonna walk out.
Oh, nothing here. Nothing here. She was like, no, there's some shit. No, if you, while the sister said, like if you take me with you, I will tell you everything.
Sylvia's sister said that. And then when they arrested everyone, I believe it was Stephanie, she was 15, she said, I'm turning and I'm testifying against everybody. So crazy fucked up story. If you wanna know more details, just Google, Google, Murder, Sylvia, Likeens, and it was some, yeah, some brutal stuff.
Yeah, maybe that's one we can, because if I'm not mistaken, there's like some pretty graphic photos. Yeah, pretty graphic photos. We can make their way onto the website with those ones. We'll collect those from Robbie and make their way over.
So holy shit, Robbie, insert applause sound. You're welcome, I guess. Yeah, it's a, yeah. Colton said everything, even though he might have been trying to do the crowd noise, the long side is really.
That's kinda, yeah, yeah. The long side is also just as acceptable in this situation. Let me give you one of those. It's gonna sound really similar, like way more.
Okay, perfect. Good, it conveyed exactly how I was feeling then. Okay, so let's jump back into our good friend, Wayne, Wayne Ford. If we'll remember, he has just been charged with that attempted rape of a 15 year old girl.
He sent home from his base on Okinawa, Japan. Just a recap on the score here. Colton 1250, Robbie, 500, Bigfoot. Has he had to score?
So. Hey, you're like Popeye and you didn't, you're spinach the beginning. You think you thought you were at an advantage, but really what happened is you're not. So, May of 1984, he's 23 years old.
He's gonna be taken into psychiatric care by the army. Psychiatrist diagnosed Wayne Wayne with adjustment reaction with mixed features and personality disorder with explosive and immature features. So that's the official diagnosis. Yeah.
Yeah, it's not exactly. What the fuck does that mean, man? But I'll pick out the key words here. So he's got like mixed features.
I gotta see, he's a little mixed up and he's got personality disorder with explosive immature features. That also seems, you know, he's still a fucking dumb kid in his head and maybe he just stopped maturing at 19 on his brain got all fucking rattled in the car accident. Later in May of 1984, he has demoted from the rank of Sergeant E5 to Corporal E4 after a number of infractions and write-ups. So he's brought back home from Okinawa, Japan, does not get demoted for the attempted rape.
And finally, after even more fuck ups, they're like, God, all right, bring down his pay. He's an E4 now. So he's had a roller coaster in the Marines. It's been up and down for him.
At times he'd be the model Marine and other times we'd seen him falling into psychotic episodes. Now you get the kind of nature versus nurture thought. Was it a few gnarly head injuries, legadamiers, at the shitty upbringing, and parents or regardless of all those things? Was this all this shit just gonna happen anyway?
Who fucking knows, man, no one can. That's just the thing. September 27th, 84, he's given Hal doll an anti-psychotic drug after becoming violent. He went back and forth between being happy and violent and sad over the next few days.
He's crazy manic. He's having increasing psychotic episodes. October of 84, he's diagnosed with borderline personality disorder and told that it is both severe and chronic. So that's a diagnosis we've heard probably a few more times than the first one.
He's got a borderline personality disorder. That's essentially like, if I'm not mistaken, it's like schizophrenia without the voices. I could be way off on that. I thought I remember him still going to be mad at him, I probably just way off.
That's a lot more common of a theme. Later in October for some attempted stability, he would move back in with good old Uncle Jimmy. Thanks for being there, bro. October 21st, 1984, after some decisions are made, he has flown from Letterman Army Hospital for further testing.
So he's still active in the military. They're trying to get him help. He's a little bit of a little bit of a Jimmy off base, but they're still taking care of him. So October 23rd, 1984, he is admitted to Oak Knoll Naval Hospital.
That's a different hospital than the initially brought him to. So after two days, he's been transferred to a new one already. Two days after that, he's transferred to a Naval Hospital in San Diego because it is thought he could get more help there. So he's being transferred all over California to all these different Naval hospitals because they wanted to get the proper psychiatric help.
But it can't be a good sign that he's been to three hospitals within the week here, right? So he stays the longest here in San Diego. In January 31st of 1985, three months of testing analysis, question number nine, what did the Army do next for him? Did they put him back into active duty?
Give him a dishonorable discharge. Seek even more psychiatric help or give him a dis... Sorry, an honorable discharge. Active duty A, dishonorable B, more psychiatric help.
C, honorable discharge D. All right, triple D across the board. Everybody says, you know what, he tried his best. He had an illness.
They're gonna honorably discharge him. Because they're all gonna get points on this. It doesn't matter either way for the points. But Yahwee's on the board now.
Yeah, that is Yahwee's operation do not get shut out is a success. So yeah, that's the honorably discharged him. He's honorably discharged in the Marine Corps for quote, convenience of the government, character, and behavior disorders. Mostly just convenience of the government.
Yeah, they're like fuck this man. How long have we been trying to get this fucking psycho help? Like what should we do? Like what on the streets?
Good call. Like what I was doing. Plenty of those in San Diego. If I was in charge of the military, it was like give him some firepower and go drop him off in a country that we're not friends with.
The Canadian military or our military? Our military. You know, because we get down, but I would just go like, Go away. Well, I guess that's why you're not in charge.
That's true. So he's honorably discharged February of 1985. He begins his new job, driving delivery trucks for Sears and wards, as well as repairing boats in any of his free time. He's a journeyman.
Let's call him. He soon quits and moves to Southern California. Question number 10. Why did he leave his job and go to SoCal?
Was it because, A, there were greater opportunities. B, the work was beneath him. C, he moved to follow a new girl. Or D, he just wanted a change of pace.
What's the reason Wayne Wayne gives? Greater opportunities to work has been either moved to follow a new girl. Just wanted a change of pace. Rob wants to change his answer here.
All's Day. Colton says follow a new girl. Robby says beneath him. Casey Bigfoot says the work is beneath him.
And he said the work was beneath him. Yeah, the work is definitely beneath him here. So I believe at this point, let me look at the last question. Oh, it's stabbable.
It's stabbable. So as you can tell, we've kind of got done with, oh, you know what? I lied. I forgot there's 12 questions on this one.
We have a little bit of time. Still kind of the same situation. It's going to be that last question. The Red Sox game getting the best of you.
OK, so we have two questions left. It's whatever. Who cares who wins? Whatever.
What's that show's about? So he leaves his job because it's below him. He is going back to Southern California. This is when he officially wants to start being called Adam.
So we've been calling him Wayne Wayne along. That's what we're going to continue to do. In 1986, he's 25 years old. He works as a driver's helper, unloading trucks for American delivery service.
Delivered papers for Orange County Register worked at two car dealerships, a motorcycle shop, drove a school bus for disabled children, and became a tow truck driver and a security guard. But this work is not below him. He's just going to say he never gave any of those jobs for more than a few months. And he left his job that was below him driving for Sears.
So not to say that any of these jobs are like ditch jobs or anything like that. He left a very similarly paced job because this is below me. I'm going back to Southern California. I'm a distinguished man.
I'm going to get work where people respect me. Hello, yes, I drive this short bus. So 1986 is now 25 years old. He meets Waddad, Radwan, and developed an on and off six-year relationship.
So over the next six years, we're going to see Waddad travel in and out of Wayne Wayne's life. 1986, he is arrested for animal cruelty. He has a dog that he was not particularly fond of, that he can never get to behave. So to punish the dog, he of course, shot it in his backyard and let it die.
October of 1987. Of course. Yes. He met and moved in with Janis Hawkins.
As with a lot of serial killers, we're going to see him kind of go on and off. He might hear me not introduce a woman that he's leaving or vice versa. Just know that it's just happened in form at this point. He's not a player.
He just crushes a lot. Sure. He meets and moves in with Janis Hawkins. He gets himself comfortable, moves all of his things in.
And not too long after that, she would ask him to leave. Question number 11, why did she kick him out of her house? Was it because he ate all of the food? He stole her car.
He killed her cat, or he masturbated in front of her teenage daughter. He ate all the food, stole her car, killed her cat, masturbated in front of the teenage daughter. It's like a toss up between C and D. That teenage daughter was C and D.
I'm going. Hey, Jesus Christ. Sing. All right, Colton says masturbated in front of the teenage daughter as well.