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winning happens here. Winner, Daniel. All right, let's get to vibe coding. The Verge's senior AI reporter Hayden Fields here. Hi, Hayden.
Hey. Hayden, do you have any idea what we're in for right now? Can I prepare you for this thing that is coming? Please prepare me. I mean, all I know is the name, and it sounds ominous.
Bear layer. Lay it on me. What's the matter? OK, so the show is called Bear layer. It has no resemblance to any other show that anyone has ever made or seen on television.
It's very important that you know that. This is a unique new concept that we've created. And basically the idea is you and I in this situation, I suppose, are we're the bears. And we each have, I believe it's $1 billion in investment capital at our disposal. Let's catch up right now.
I invested no one. Give me the cash. We're going to go. It's a very short episode. A bunch of people are going to come on and they're going to pitch us on the things that they've been building.
And I think of this as sort of a combination of Shark Tank and the voice where we're going to be sort of in on everybody, but you can be in at whatever level you'd like to be. And we're going to be against each other. And whoever gets the most investment wins. So we're going to get pitches from people. We're going to decide what we like.
We're going to be ruthlessly cruel to all of the ideas that we don't like. And then we're going to get into it. Let's bring in Travis, our producer, and the true hero of Bear Lair. Travis, this is your baby. Walk us through it.
What are we doing? Hello Bears. As David has described you, each have $1 billion to invest in a number of vibe-coded projects that are lovely, brilliant listeners have taken time out of their days to share with you. They are across the world. I mean.
Literally two continents worth of listeners are represented here today. And just for record keeping, $1 billion is $1,000 million. Please only bid an increments of $1 million. Please do not just bid $1. Thank you.
All right. Let's get this show on the road. So each of our listeners are going to give you a little two-minute elevator pitch. And then we will open things up for Q&A. And then you may bid as much of your fake money as you want.
Our first listener joins us from Washington, DC. This is John. Bears. I am so high. Hi, John.
So I have this. I'm going to sit back. So this is a skylight, which I don't know if you guys have ever. You're a dad, David. So this is like a thing that normally hangs in your wall.
And it's supposed to be able to plan your kids appointments and that kind of thing. And it's basically just the Android tablet without a battery and plugs into the wall. And my wife bought this. And I did not like it very much. It did not think it worked very well.
So through the use of AI, I got it working. And obviously, it's not working perfectly well. But if we go here, I can show you there's a dashboard. I can actually control the lights in my home. And my favorite little bit is I can actually do a grocery list app.
And once I've done it, it actually comes up as a little receipt. And I've made this specifically because I needed, I'm at the fridge, and I'm or my wife usually is at the fridge. She needs to send something to me to be like, can you please pick this up? Rather than having one running grocery list, I like getting them as tickets. And so now I get these to Telegram messages, and they go into tick tick.
But what's really cool about it is it's actually completely adaptable because it's all just a web interface on the back. And so I can actually go into plot as it were or whatever, and say, hey, I want an app that does this. I want an app that tells me where the metro is. I want an app that shows me where the Potomac is doing plugs into Home Assistant. So I want an app that, for instance, like I plug my car into Home Assistant.
So I want a tab where I can press a button, and it turns on the climate control, and tells me how long it will be to go to work. And if I'm running late, then can I get a line bike or something else instead? I think it's really cool that it isn't anything. It's just blank slate. And you know, through just talking to it, and spending a lot of money on tokens, you can get it to do whatever you want.
And that's what I really enjoyed about it. I have two questions. This tablet looks enormous. Is it in fact enormous? I love being enormous oversized tablet.
Yeah, and it actually hangs under walls. So it's got mounting points on the back. And you can actually, so it looks just like a picture. And you can upload whatever photo you want. And it statically just has a picture frame, and you tap it, and then it goes to your dashboard.
Where do you imagine I'm going to put this in my house? Is this, are we going to stick this next to the fridge on the wall? Is this the idea? Yeah, I mean, that's literally where I have it. So I mean, it's actually like the fridge is here, and this is behind the fridge.
And so when my wife opens it up, and she's like, there is no, there are no grapes in the house. And what the hell is going on here? And she can just angrily be like, like it actually says, who's ordering? So my wife can go and be like, you know, go grapes, and then type it in. And then I'll get a text, and where the hell are the grapes?
So this already existed, right? And you just buy code and have to make it work way better. Is that right? Like this guy, like that? Yeah, yeah.
OK. And then it's just a really great grab behind the red tablet. OK, got it. And then here's my other question. When you do these notes, like a grocery list and stuff, can you access it on a phone also?
Or is it only as all the stuff only accessible through the tablet on the wall? Like, you know, if she adds like grapes to the grocery list on there, is it going to appear? Or can you make it appear like on your phone notes, or whatever as well, or only accessible on the wall? Well, here's the really cool thing, actually, that I love about this. If I had something for her, it goes to Trello.
If she had something for me, it goes to Tic-Tic. And if you're familiar with Tic-Tic, it lived in Trello. They live in the cloud. It lives absolutely everywhere. And so I get it on my watch.
I get it wherever. And because all this does, actually, Tic-Tic has a really good MCP server. So it has an MCP server. There's like a Tic-Tic MCP server. And so on the back end, there's a cloud server running on a broken headless MacBook Air that I root the screen from.
And so it just pushes that into the cloud. And so I can access it from anywhere. But that's what I thought was really cool about it, actually, is this is all the really specific problem, which is Skylight really wants you walked into this app, right? And into this ecosystem that doesn't talk to anything. Whereas this I literally like that there's no Skylight on this at all anymore.
This is just basically just a web page that's running on the server. So it also, what's nice is it doesn't matter how slow this particular tablet is. And in fact, I have an accessory for it, which is an old Kindle Amazon Fire 6-inch. But it's literally 10 years old. And I noticed it's a nice small screen, really high DPI.
And this can run a server that then goes onto that and by turning it into a kiosk, I can actually tap it and hang it on my wall and control the lights and stuff in the house. So it's really adaptable. OK, I'm in on this. And I'll tell you why. For one very specific reason, because my wife and I have been together for 13 years.
And I have never been able to convince her to keep a shopping list ever. I have tried dedicated apps. I have tried notetaking apps. I have tried a shared Google document. Cannot make the woman keep a shopping list.
She's just not interested. Her shopping list is to sort of wander past me and announce the things that we need. And then I have to remember them. This, I think, gives me a real fighting chance at creating a shared shopping list. And so for that reason, I'm going to start the bidding here at $25 million.
OK, nice. I mean, we have a billion, so I was going to get all the higher. I feel like, yeah, I mean, this is exciting to me. I think anything where the tech is integrated into your home, and I don't use like notion or anything like that. But if I would, if it were on my wall, you know what I mean?
So this is something that I think everyone in the family can use, especially since it's ported over to your personal device and the type of systems you like. So yeah, I'll go up to like 100 million. Hey, and you can have it at 100. I thought I was going to get it cheaper than this. 100 is good, but it's steep.
You can have it this way. I should have gone in at less. Oh, well. John, thank you so much. Thank you, John.
Hayden is down to a paltry $900 million. Oh, my God. Well, we're sick. All right. Two-couple of love is Sarah.
I guess we're Chicago, Illinois. Hi, David. Hi, Hayden. Hi. Welcome.
Thank you for being here. Yeah, thank you for having me. What do you have for us? So I'm a parent of a two-year-old. And for me, the hardest part of parenting is like the cognitive load.
It's the million things you have to remember. It's 200 decisions you make every single day. And for me, where it really hit was 9pm when I was trying to pack my son's lunch for daycare the next day, trying to remember what my pediatrician told me, what foods by something eating that he actually likes, whether or not I've served him something before, and at the end of it, I don't actually know what's in my church. So I created this app. It's a combination meal tracker logger, and it helps me keep track of what's in my pantry as well as what my son is meeting.
So it works like this. I go to the grocery store, and then I come home from the grocery store, and I toggle over to my pantry app, and I tell it what kinds of things I just bought. Today I just bought snap peas, and I bought him some apples and some other things, right? And I can import it into my pantry, which keeps track of what's available to me, as well as whether or not my son likes it. When I decide to search him a meal, I can go to the claner tab, which has all of his meals for the day.
I can either do this at a time if I'm trying to figure out what I'm gonna do for the week, or what more often happens for me is after he's eaten the meal, I'm like, oh yeah, this is what he ate today. So I think today at lunch, he has something like grapes, and then he had some meatballs I'm pretty sure, right? And I can add those to his lunch. After he's done eating, then when I go back to the main tab, it will ask me how his meal was, and I can tell it how much of that meal that he ate that particular day. So today I know it works as he ate all of his yogurt, he ate all his apples, and he had some oaks.
I can also make a note if I'm running well on something, or if I run out on something which is useful for me later. Anytime something is low or out, it goes into a shopping list, but I can either look at directly through the app, or I can pop the end case into another app. And then for me, the most important thing, in terms of trying to keep track of whether I'm giving him a variety of foods, in the planner section, there's a weekly tab, which lets me look at the entire week, and see very quickly, what if I'm inserting him, how have I been giving him a variety of things, or have I given him chicken and chicken? That's every single day of the last week. And so my question for you, Sarah, is, can you think of a way that we might be able to connect this even more closely to shopping?
Like what I want here is a way to basically track all this stuff, and then go to the grocery store and have it sort of immediately pop up a thing that's like, here's all this stuff you definitely need to buy, because you're kind of out of it. But also here are some other ideas of food that you might like, or that they might like, like I'm looking for the next turn here is like, yes, David, you're still on the only eats blueberry waffles. Have you considered strawberry waffles? I don't know, is there, do you think we can make a grocery store turn here? This is how we make our Instacart money, and really take this thing to the next level, Sarah?
What do you think? I think that's a fabulous idea. So I'll say first of all, there's already a shopping tab, which has things working out by sections, so when you run lower out, I do think the next step would be trying to integrate this, this very basic thing. Here's how to slowly graduate them to something that's maybe more adult. So you go from chicken nuggets to a slightly different brand of chicken nuggets to shredded chicken to like chicken breasts with a dill sauce or something on it.
So I think we could integrate that into saying, hey, if your kid regularly eats or likes this kind of thing, here's the next step up to get them to move towards what we might call a more adult palette. I like this. I'm also assuming you mostly do this on your phone, that this is like a primarily mobile experience. Yeah. It is mostly a mobile experience, although I've set it up so that you can push the data to sort of a central place and then sink it across devices.
So actually when I enter my shopping list, or when I come home from the grocery store, I usually do that on my computer and then sink it to the cloud. That also lets you sink across devices if both parents are responsible for meal prep or grocery shopping or anything like that. Got it. Okay, here's my question. Yes, I kind of want this for myself, honestly, because I had Super Burrito, which is my favorite Burrito shop every day for a week last month and then I was like, I've got to take a bird's idea of what I'm eating.
So anyway, if I were a parent, absolutely I'd be using this. Here's my question. Do you think it's possible to, yeah, incorporate more of a suggestion mode on, okay, let's say you're looking at the weekly view and you realize, okay, you know, we've got a few food groups covered, but we're really lacking two other ones. Are there, I would love to see like a suggestion mode of, oh, here are two types of things you could be serving, not even the graduating thing, but just this is what you could be serving, that you may not be thinking of or based on what's in your pantry here, some other things you could be making that would like hit those other food groups. Do you think that would be easy to do?
I think it would be relatively simple. I think it's just a matter of connecting the app with an API key to something like quad or chat to BT and then giving it that underlying instruction to say, hey, on this particular window, this is where I want you to generate these kinds of instructions. I think that would be pretty simple to do. Hidden, you get to bid first on this one. Okay, I'm gonna, I learned my lesson here.
I'm gonna start the bidding at 25 million. I'm gonna go to 50 million. I want this one. This one, this will work in my life immediately. I think I will not be able to convince my wife to use this.
I'm realizing this now as I go. This will be a David-only experience, but I want it anyway. I'm gonna go with 60 million because, yeah, I think that like one is useful for kids, but also like I would use this for myself, so. I'm gonna go 75. 80.
Oh. These increments are bonkers. You have a billion dollars. Yeah, but there's a lot left. I'll go 100.
If I knew how many, I'm gonna win. If I knew how many were left, I would be like, it's scary not knowing. Okay, I'm gonna do honestly like 115. Like I believe in this one, you know? It's also the cognitive load.
Like this is, if I had kids, I could be using this every meal because they're just, I'm picking charge to me things. All right, Hayden, you can have it. I'm starting to worry. I'm gonna end up playing myself on this one, but you can have it. 115 is yours.
Sarah, thank you. Congratulations on your newfound millions. Thank you so much. Thank you Sarah. Joy all that money.
Bye. So just a recap recap we're at David has so far, not acquired any projects. Hayden is down to a mere $785 million, and she has the John's tablet from which you can request groceries and also Sarah's child meal tracker. Starting the service. I should have been higher on that second one.
All right, coming up next, we have Eddie from New Jersey. Hey, how's it going David? How's it going, Hayden? Welcome. Thank you for being here.
Yeah, so I don't really, I guess my, I don't have so much as a front end app as much as like a backend tool for podcasting, media management, that kind of thing. So something we're interested in. Yeah, so I manage most of the media at my church. And so I have like the whole archive. And everyone's been a while like a question that's like, oh, do you remember when the pastor talked about this?
And like I honestly, I think remember that, but that may have been like three or four years ago. So I started working on this tool last winter where I could basically summarize and pump all this data into a gem nine notebook and then have it search for me. And so the tool is pretty crude, but I can, I can just share my screen here and show you sort of the workflow that I have. Yeah, so this is just a command line interface. It's really just a Python script that I had gem and I vibe code for me.
And all you really do is you put all of the M3 files for whatever you want to put into this in a folder with this script and you run it, it uses a gem.ini API key. So you need to make your own API key. And then it loads the whisper model and transcribes each mp3 file sort of one at a time. So it's going through this sermon called Understanding Above Knowledge and it'll just go through. And it kind of keeps you updated that it's not frozen as it goes by.
And it takes a little while on my laptop, but on my desktop it's a little bit faster. And if you're running a GPU, it'll be even faster. But you can load up as many as you want to just let it run overnight. And then what it does once it has the transcript is it'll take small chunks of it and send it to, I just use one of the free models that Google Cloud offers. And so it chunks it into about 10 different parts to keep the context window manageable.
And then it summarizes each of those sections. So it kind of gets rid of a lot of that transcript and repeated sentences and stuff like that. And at the end, it gives you sort of a little summary for each one. It just gives you how many times it sent it to the cloud. And it does some hallucination checks to make sure it's not like totally making stuff up because that was happening earlier.
Like it was worse six months ago when I was doing this, but it seems to be better now. And then what you get out of it is just this basically this giant markdown file. So this is the sermon database for my church for the year of 2025. And so it's got all roughly 50 sermons in there. And it's just the title, the date, and then the summary.
And then I put all of these markdown files into a Gemini notebook. And this is shared with most of the people at my church. And they can just go in and they can chat with this thing. I hope none of them use it for pastoral advice. But I give like an example prompt here.
Like we can just say, like I'm looking for a sermon about how to make it more in like decisions. And it'll go through and it'll search through all of these four years of sermons that I haven't here. And it'll pull out specific ones that you can then go find on our pod bean or on our Apple podcast and stuff. And so for this audience, I think for me, what's most relevant is that sometimes Neelai likes to just drop these random Easter eggs. And I've been on this show for like four or five years.
And sometimes I still have no idea what he's talking about. So I think it would be really nice to just be like, what is Neelai talking about? And he's always like the OGs will know. And I'm like, now I can pretend to be an OG. It makes you feel any better.
I often don't know what he's talking about either. And I've been hosting the show for a long time. There are a lot of deep, verge-cast cuts that were like a thing one person said on one episode in 2012. And they're like, you remember. And it's like, no, no one remembers.
But now we could remember. If it is, it seems like since it's summarizing each part, it's not like you can't search transcripts. So what if it was a quick Easter egg that someone dropped in? Would that even make it into the summary as in, would that show up if you were searching for like, oh, David made an inside joke about shag rugs? When was that?
Do you think that would make it into the summary and be searchable? Or probably not, because it's not like a high level takeaway? Yeah, it really depends. So it probably won't. Although it depends on how long they talk about it.
So I've tried searching things based on anecdotes, because sometimes you tell a story in the middle of the sermon to show a point. And it will pick up on that stuff even if it's a short story. But yeah, like one lineers, they might not pick up on that. How do you think about the difference between this and like, a granola style meeting recorder, right? Like every time we open Google Meet now, it's like, do you want Gemma Net, or record this and send you action items?
And I was like, no, thank you, Gemma. But this idea of being able to find through an archive of stuff is very useful. Do you think, is there some cross-pollination there? Are we going to have a B2B strategy, where we just record everybody's meetings? Yeah, I mean, I think like, I kind of do this manually moving, like going backwards.
But I think moving forward, it would be nice to either have it automated from our YouTube stream, or even like when we upload something to be used, Podbean, as our RSS host. Like if Podbean even just like added this or we, or here, you guys bought it, made it and sold it to them. And they just added this to their website, where you could go to your favorite podcast and you would just be a search bar right there. You've already figured out the exit for our product. This is amazing.
So I'm trying to, my goal is to get this up and running in notebook LM and then see if the website team wants to embed it into the website, because we have like a web page for their podcast there. And that would be a good spot to have it, but with a big disclaimer to not ask for advice, but just use it to look for past recordings. So I have spent a lot of time looking for a tool that does almost exactly this thing that you just described, which is as a reporter, I spend a lot of time talking to people about a lot of things. And I'm constantly like, oh, I was just talking to somebody about this thing. And sometimes that was a week ago and sometimes it was six years ago.
And going through, I have full text search in a transcription app that I use and that's sort of useful. But just to be like, when was I talking about this thing with this person would be hugely useful? And as somebody who like I record a lot of things, because we're doing interviews all the time, this is sort of exactly useful to me professionally. And thus, I want this very badly. You can tell me how you feel, but I'm in a bit a hundred million dollars on this right now.
This needs to exist in my day-to-day workflow starting tomorrow. Okay, I love that. I mean, I think it's super useful and I would use it, but I think from our conversations lately, David, this is so useful to you that I'm gonna let you have it. Like it's truly, I was gonna do like, start at like 75 million, but you go for it, you need this. I legitimately desperately need this.
As everyone who works with me can attest, I have a lot of information, a lot of places, and I can't find anything anywhere. This feels like it will neatly solve a problem for me. I am gonna need you to build me a front end though, because I can't run this whole thing in the terminal or in PowerShell, it'll just, I will break it in ways that I am not able to solve. So you're gonna need to take all of this money that I'm giving you and you're gonna have to build me a mobile app. But I think we got this one.
Yeah, that'll work. I love that. Congratulations on the 100 million dollars. Two free, yes. That's great. Thank you Eddie.
We have a few more folks left. So let's go to Simon who is joining us from the United Kingdom. Simon, I hope you've come up with something unbelievably weird that no one would have ever thought of. I think I have a welcome. Yes.
Yeah, I think I'm kind of one of that generation of perhaps older men who kind of feel strangely empowered by Vicoding to make weird shit. And so I've kind of gone all in. I'm gonna ask you guys a question. And it's kind of relevant to the thing that I've made is imagine that we all went to a party and then I said, Hey, send me the photographs from the party. David, how would you do it?
I would, well, the honest answer is I would forget and never do it. Okay, cool. That's great. I would probably text you a bunch of photos or worst case we're getting a shared album in like Apple photos, which I think is no one's idea of a good time, but is probably what we would resort to. Yeah, Hayden, what about you?
For this is like my house. So I'm really glad you asked. It's something that affects me every couple of days. It is my biggest, like I think about this way too much. Okay, so here's exactly what I would do.
I would not create a shared album because the other day I'd have to spend five hours troubleshooting a shared album for my virtual party. So no, instead I would do less than 20 photos per text because if you do more than 20, it creates an iCloud link and the person can't even access it for like six hours. So I would divide the photos into less than 20 increments and send each one to you. And I also like to send people all the photos because maybe they think they like one that I wouldn't send. So yeah, basically it's a horrible situation.
You're just texting people 19 photos at a time. Yes, I mean, I'm so horrible. If I'm taking pictures of my friend, you better believe I'm taking like 40 pictures, not just one. Come on. All right, so I'm gonna have a willing audience.
Let's hear what you need. What you need is this. You need to gather in. Okay, and I'm hoping that I'm gonna share my screen. There it is.
It's Gary. I'm a celebrant. I'm a humanist, celebrant, so I conduct funerals for the godless and the factless. And I've noticed that a lot of families really like to gather photographs of the deceased after somebody's died and they wanna get a picture together because they maybe wanna do a slideshow or create a memorial book. And as you have just pointed out, it's a bit of a pain in the ask.
I'm gonna WhatsApp them to you. I'm gonna put them in my iCloud. I'm gonna drop up to them to you. Oh, I'll give you access to my Google pictures. It's all a nightmare, especially when somebody's kind of grieving and they've got a whole load of things that they need to sort out.
The last thing they need to do is sort out. So I created gathering and I've built it completely with the Vibe code using Claude. And the backend is Firebase, none of which I had any idea before. Like I used to build websites with Dreamweaver in the 90s. I mean, I could do a little bit of front end HTML and that was it.
The idea of building a full stack thing was kind of completely beyond me. This was built of an idea because there was a need. I'm gonna open it up here if I go to login. So this is actually live, right? So there's a couple of, I kind of created it and people know that's a good idea.
So for example, here is one. And in fact, let's start a new gathering. So I can make a, let's do one about Jack. We go Jack, he was born in 1945 and he died in 2025. And he was great.
So we'll just create a picture of it. We'll do that. I love Jack. He's great. It's keeping it simple.
I'm gonna choose a banner color. We could add a picture of Jack, but we'll skip that for now. We'll leave it live for 60 days. Because what I don't want this to be is a kind of a repository of photos. I want this to be a place where you gather pictures and then you do something with them.
So we create the gathering and then here's Jack. This is what people would share. So you basically just email people a link or you send them a QR code in whatever, you know, you can share a volume mail via WhatsApp, whatever. And so what people will see is like that. Can you see that? Okay.
Yeah, you got it. So people will see that they can add photos. If they're on their phone and they've got this on their desktop, they can just click on the URL and upload it from their device. So is the idea to make something sort of public? I'm imagining you have obituary pages which are public.
Are these are designed to be sort of for the people for whom they are shared? Is that right? There's nothing public about it. It is literally a simple way of people gathering in photographs of a deceased person. Now it was both deceased, but subsequently people said, oh, I could do that for my wedding, or I could do that for this party or whatever.
It was about to write this thing. It was about to write party. I'll just, I'll get Dorco to run you up a version of a Hayden Viewer by your body. So yeah, so that was the idea. So people can just gather the photographs.
It's life of 30 days. They can download them. On the upload bit, there's a little bit of kind of, is this a public photograph or is that a private photograph? I got some pictures of weird Uncle John doing some strange things. You might like to see these pictures, but I don't really want them to be made public.
So you can mark a picture as being something that you wouldn't want. So it's absolutely got kind of privacy. It's for people who want to collect photos and make it as simple as possible for their mates. Got it. Yeah, I mean, this is really, I think I could see this being, I can see it being really useful for what you made it for, because I have had to do this for multiple people.
Even for a friend's father, for example, I was a photo gatherer and it was very annoying. But of course, I was happy to do it, but it took a very long time. And so what I do want to know is how you download photos from this. It does allow batch download and you can save them, for example, to your camera roll. Yeah, you select them, you select them all and download them as a sit-fon.
OK, you start the betting, David. 200. Wow. This is the easiest business we've found. Yeah, this is the one that pays off all the other investments.
The other ones are like great, useful for me. This is the one we're going to turn into. This one's getting into Y Combinator like in three months. You know what I mean? I'm going to say, 215.
250. I want this one. OK, you can have it. Right, amazing. We did it, Simon. We're going to be billionaires.
Yeah, more than you're a billionaire. I should say, but now we're both going to be people. That's great news. Thank you so much. All right, fantastic.
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Hey, how's it going? Thank you so much for being here. I'm so excited to be here. What do you have for us? So I am going to show you Pain Frame.
This is a basic pain tracking app that I have created to make pain tracking for my own purposes and some of the loved ones in my life pain free. You don't have to hold on to that information anymore. I found that I would end up on the Dr. Google rabbit hole. And over time, I found out that the severe stuff generally isn't the case, but this kind of chronic pattern I would miss.
And then by the time I got to a doctor's appointment and five weeks or whenever they scheduled out, I would totally forget the last five weeks of what I've been going through. I also found that a lot of the options in the app store have a lot of pop-ups, a lot of ads, a lot of unnecessary features that I didn't really want to deal with. I just wanted to be able to quickly log my pain and then be able to pull it up for my doctor. One of my other requirements was that it could work on any device because I have different people in my family, iOS, Android. And I also wanted to be able to use it on my e-reader.
So I have that. It works on my e-reader as well. All Pain Frame is is two separate HTML pages, very basic, very paired back. This first page is a landing page where you can have a moment to enter your pain very quickly. So it just asks three questions, your pain intensity, how much it's interfering with your activity today, and how much it's interfering with your interfering with your enjoyment of life.
These questions did some research found that these are some of the main questions doctors are going to look at to be able to actually bridge what's causing your pain to the experience of pain. So no extra fluff, just really getting to what the doctors need. I have another tab where I can do a more detailed entry. If I'd like to, if I have more time where I can describe where I'm experiencing the pain, some qualities about the pain, and then I have some details at the bottom where I could add worsening factors, what's relieving any on-setter pattern. I can choose to connect a quick entry to a more detailed entry at a later time.
So if I go in, I just do a quick entry, like while I'm kind of going about my day, I can sit and reflect later and add more details to that. I also have another tab that I called the Pain Frame, where I have this 3D outline anatomical model of a body. It was very funny seeing Claude get to this final design. There were a lot of very funky interpretations of the human body that came before this one. But I have a front option where I can see kind of the front profile of the body and I have a back option where I can see the back of the body.
I have these different stamps up here that feel very like a pick-start to me, like, you know, those kids kind of stamping apps that I used to use in grade school where I can just put a stamp on where I'm feeling the pain in my body. And I can also click to adjust its location. I can make it bigger, smaller, delete it. And this works with the touch screen on my e-reader, so that's like very useful for me also. And then I do want to know the export and backup, because I think one of the important things here is how do you get this data out to show somebody, right?
Totally. So I have a, you can export it as a CSV at any time. You can also export the pain frames as a JSON file. And then they pull into this separate HTML file that's also very basic, where I can load in that CSV data. I can also add that JSON data and then I can see some very simple bar graphs that I could bring to my doctor as well as kind of like this map of, you know, overlying the locations that I selected over time.
OK, yeah, I really like that you can export it and it's readable by either like a doctor or even like if you were implementing it into like some type of health AI, you could, you know, it's readable by a human or machine, it seems. Which leads to a good question, which is, do you have a big AI doctor play in here? Are you like, should Claude get all involved in the data you're pulling here? Oh, totally. And that was my intention.
A lot of the apps that I would find on the app store like involved me adding in medications that day and my food and that day and my cycle. These are all things I already track in other places, like, you know, with my Apple Watch or other data. So I didn't want to create something that tried to bring this all in. I just want to place like a document and then pull it into those other tools I already have, pull it into Claude, do some extra analysis. So really just try to capture that data quickly and pain free.
Hey, and you get to go first. What do you want to bid? OK, yeah, I think I'll start at 50 million. I'll go to 70. OK, I'll do 90.
That sounds fabulous. Yeah, I think you can have it at 90. This is this is this is a good one. I like this. I think there is also the all of the Claude integration stuff you're talking about is going to make people very uncomfortable in some ways and also be very useful in some ways, which is my favorite thing about AI right now.
Yeah, I think you can choose what you do. And it'll also be really heavily used by like one population. So we love also pain frame is just a good name. It's just like it's going to work because just because the name works really well. People can remember that one.
I like this. Thank you, meals. Thank you. Thanks, thank you. Thank you.
We have two listeners from Georgia, but one is from the country and one is from the state. First from the country of Georgia, please welcome. Roussline. Hi, everyone. What do you have for us today?
So I have open source project that shows three maps for stock exchanges. Just explained what a three might be. Imagine a giant mosaic where every every tile is a company, the bigger the tile, the bigger the company. And we need the share prices up and that means the itself, you know. So in March 2025, when President Trump announced the US Bitcoin Reserve, people keep asking me to do the same thing for crypto.
No, but the thing is this whole room can contain the fucking people crypto. So instead, I do three map for pocket cards, just in case that pocket cards will become the next strategic reserve, you know. So the goal was to make every tile to show the actual card card. But lovely, my go to the shopping library couldn't do that. So I asked Claude to build the same, the stream map using GT, which is another the checking tool.
So when I saw this result, I was so fast, I used the same approach for my main charts. So this is the pocket market market. Each rectangle is a pocket market set. And we can see that the most valuable one is based set on 1999, which cost, which cost about by 15k. If we zoom in, here it is, chat is at work over 5k by the way.
You can click on it and see like the information, more information about this card and how does that look on scan? I think this is really, really great. I think I would want you to redesign the front end a little bit just to, because from the birth-eye view, it's hard to see how cool it is when you zoom into these different markets and offers. But all the data is there, which is awesome. There's so much here.
I can't believe it. I also, Roussaint, I should confess, while you were talking, I've just been poking around your website. And now I'm looking at the Yu-Gi-Oh ones and I'm looking at the one piece tracker. And I think you have identified an important thing, which is that if crypto can be worth all of this, if we can do NFTs, then absolutely, yes, there's going to be a gigantic market forever in all of these things. So, so we're, you and I together are going to corner the market on collectable arbitrage.
This is what we're going to do together and we're going to get just, just Charizard to the moon, you and me. This is what we're going to do. I'm going to, I'm going to start at 150 here. Again, because this is just the easiest one in the world to make money from. I can just see it.
We're going to be billionaires. I'm going to go to 175. I'll go to 200. Two, 10. I'm looking at the Yu-Gi-Oh one now and there are so many options.
You can't even see any pictures in the rectangles. That's how intense this screen is. This is amazing. Go. All right.
I'm going to go to 225 and that's that's as high as I can do on this one. Okay. I'm going to let him have it. Yes. Okay.
This is, this is wild. Roussaint, thank you. I'm going to learn a lot about Pokemon and then you and I are going to get. You open the highest amount yet, Roussaint. So great job.
I've gone from having a lot of money to having no money, but I feel good about it. It's going to be great. Roussaint. Thank you so much. Bye.
Thanks Roussaint. All right. I have one listener left for you from the great state of Georgia. Please welcome Spencer. Hey, there bears.
I have a very simple idea that is very, that I think we could sell off to Garmin and I think we could all turn out well in the end. So I have a ride calculator that I've built. So I ride my bike a lot. You can see one of my bikes up here on my office wall. But what's really important through my rides is to end on my solid numbers.
So ending on 15 miles, if it's a longer ride, ending on 45, what drives me nuts is if I'm doing a lunch ride, I get back to the church to my parking lot wherever. And I'm at 13.2 miles. I can't stop there. I have to get to 15. Oh, you won't just ride the point eight.
You'll ride another one point eight to get to 15. Yeah. You know, weekly goals, monthly goals and this is just teaching us a lot about the person we're getting into business with as you describe this is a full vision. If I go in, I go. So so so I keep writing and then I'm doing the mental math.
OK, where do I turn around to get back into parking lot at the right mileage and tricky is possible, but tricky to do while writing also dangerous because you're distracted and are writing around cars. So it was on one of those rides. I was just wondering if I could work. So later I got on Jim and I basically rambled the same pitch I'm giving to you guys to Jim and I and on the first try it put out a working ride calculator, which was surprising. I did design tweak it a bit until I liked how it looked and then made a progressive web app.
I saved my phone because progressive web apps are where to go. So what we got here, the right calculator, you've got two text boxes. One is your goal distance. So I'll do 15 current distance. Say I'm back to my parking lot at 13 point or five miles.
Hit calculate, turn around and it says turn around at 14.22 miles. So it works. I use it multiple times a week and pulling up your phone while you're writing your bike. So little dangerous. So I had Jim and I go and make a custom data field on my Garmin watch, whichever cord my rides on.
So as I'm going, when I get to my place, I want to end, I just hit the lap button and then a big numbers. Turn around at 14.2 miles. And so I get back every time at the right distance where I want to be and it's perfect. I love it. I think a lot of people may not know they need it.
I think everybody needs it, whether you ride bikes or run or walk. You think we're going to sell it to Garmin? I think you're wrong. I think we're going to sell it to everybody. This becomes what we need to give this feature like a really catchy name because honestly, if you're like you can you can land somewhere at the perfect stopping point for your ride, walk, run, whatever.
Do you know how many people are going to experience this like emotional pleasure of I have run exactly the correct number of miles? I think this is a I don't know. Hey, maybe this is just this is just the two of us and not you, but I can see how this would cause me great joy in my life to have everything be round numbers like this. My question is what what is different about this than just planning your route ahead of time? So like let's say on Strava or something, you want to get to back to your house.
So you're going to do a loop, but you want to be exactly 15 miles. Why not just playing it out ahead of time? Why you know, do it during like, you know, I would think that if you cared this much about an exact number, you would plan out the route ahead of time and you would already kind of know it and you would just like kind of see it on your watch or whatever you were using as you ran the route. No, in theory, that is true because I'll plan a right. I'm going to do a 35 mile ride.
I tell my wife that and then I get out there and I'm feeling good and I decide I want to go for 45. And so on the fly, I can't I'm like, okay, I don't know how to just my ride to get there just at the right point. So it's more for that on the on the go. That makes sense. Cool.
I want my only product request for you is I want to I want this to be both distance and minutes. I want a version of this that's like I've been going I've been going for 17 minutes. I want to go I want to go for 20. Tell me when to turn around. So I'll be back here in 20 minutes.
Perfect. And that way I can just run nice and slow or I can bike nice and slow and I can still get back and I will have nailed it at an exact time. I think we're one catchy product name away from being able to trademark this and sell it to every exercise company that exists on Planet Earth. I mean, Hayden, I think you're going to win just because you have more money than I do here. But I'm in on this one at 100 million. Easy.
Okay, I'm going to go 150. I'm not sure. I'm out of funds here. I think you're going to get it for 150. You have like 650.
No, I just spent all of my money. Oh, really? Okay, Blas. Yeah, I'll take it. You guys are going to get rich.
That works for me. It's going to be good. Spencer, thank you. Appreciate you being here. Thank you guys.
Thanks, and that's it. That's everybody. We did it. Those were shockingly good ideas. I kept waiting for the person to show up and be like, I have a thing that won't make any sense to anyone except for me, which to me is the true beauty of vibe coding.
But all of these were like good, relatable ideas. I love this. Yeah, these were good. This is good stuff. All right.
Travis, do you want to give us the final tallies? Yes, I would love to give you your final tallies. So Hayden ends with $545 million still in her pocket. John's tablet grocery request app went for 100 million. Sarah's child meal tracker 115, meals pain frame for 90 and Spencer's bike app went for 150.
The thing we learned from this is that we should have spent more money. And also, here's what I think. Before you even read my number, Travis, hold me to this. I'm saying it live here on the podcast. We're going to do this again, but we each start with only the balance we currently have.
Yep. Great. Great. So David, you have $400 billion remaining. Do we have a new one, man?
You bought Eddie Sermon Search for 100, Simon's photo sharing app for $250, and Ruslan's Pokemon card market tree map also for $250. There's at least two I should go back and get now. Can I just Bigfoot, Hayden's deal? Nope. Nope.
That's not how Bear Layer works. We all know how Bear Layer works. I guess we can't spend all of our money or we'd be too leveraged against all of this stuff. This way, Hayden and I can still feed our families. Travis, Hayden, thank you for being here.
Thank you to all of our guests, all of our applicants, all of our, I don't know what they're called, contestants here on Bear Layer. I hope we all get fabulously wealthy. We will do this again. Hayden, good to see you next time. Always a pleasure.
All right, that's it for the show. Thank you to Hayden for being my co-bear. Thank you to everybody who came on the show, hung out on the stream yard with us, and made their pitches. They were all very impressive. Actually, almost every single one of these was something that I was like, actually into.
This was great. We're going to do this again. Get your ideas ready. Hayden and I are going to be more aggressive with our money next time. I'm very much looking forward to it.
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