We Love Bloodstained and Outer Wilds - Kinda Funny Gamescast Ep. 227

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Welcome to the Kind of Funny Games Cast Episode 227. I'm one of your host Greg Miller, alongside the Hispanic heartthrob Andy Cortez. Good afternoon everyone, how are you doing? Andy, where can people keep up with you on Twitch?

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Next to him! Care of Best Hair in the Business! Fran, Mirabella the third! I'm gonna go to Twitch at same thing, slash Gary Wannick.

He's taking over, man. He's also... Yeah, we've got a t-shirt present home, that's pretty easy. He totally, I watched that, he's like, showed me up in terms of promotion, so why even bother now?

He's true, but uh, you're walking for him soon enough. That's right, that's right, I'm at FM3 Underscore on Twitch if you want to support me. And rounding out the courts at the busiest lady in the business who's dressed like a banana. That's right, and Banandria Renee, today, Greg.

And you're of course from What's Good Games, keep you flying across the internet, working on that. Yes, why are you dressed like a banana today? So, um, and let me stand up so everyone can see the full banana. I'd like to be the only speaking rhyme.

Yeah. I'm just doing that by the day, I'm just doing that by the day. I'm just doing that by the day. I'm doing it by the day, so I'm just doing it by the day.

So, the reason I'm dressed as a banana, as Banandria Renee today, I also brought my friend Pedro with, um, so is because I was streaming recently as part of the Guardian Con, St. Jude's charity, which Fran and the DCP crew also streamed, and one of my incentive bonuses was if somebody donated $1,500, I would dress in full banana and do the entire show for either games daily, games cast or what's good games in the banana suit. So one John Drake donated $1,300 to help this kids that does think Jude's research hospital benefits And it was very generous and kind of to do so and so he selected the game's cast as the episode of the Careful I'm in full banana suit, but Andrew I mean I hear Yeah, exactly It's just all for the kids, you know, watch the show this week so if you're just listening there you go now I'll reason to come on over to what I mean. That's the thing.

We know this is the time. You know there's money listeners coming over I've never seen a kid they're great Is that a quote from you? Yeah beautiful kids is Yeah, it's pretty hot. I'm wearing a dress underneath so less you think that I'm new to this It's not crazy.

Yeah, it's a $5,000 donation. It's just a foam shell sure and when you're standing it doesn't feel bad on your neck when you're sitting It's just like cut it's like a joke for the kids right you could probably wear the hat the rest of the show I don't know Every week for sometimes three best friends gather on this table each come and talk about the video games They love and appreciate and what's going on at topics of the show and everything you support over at patreon.com slash kind of funny games Because over there you can give us topics you can give us questions you can be part of the show you can get the show early like We are streaming it right now live you can get an ad free on Fridays. You can get it all early great perfect on patreon But if you have no bucks toss our way no big deal you can go to youtube.com Kind of funny games roosterteeth.com and podcast services around the globe Each and every one day and get the games cast there absolutely free with ads no pre or post show like we're doing here You would have a whole riveting conversation about a sandwiches. Yeah, there was others.

There was why During shows you had a basketball This show housekeeping right now there's a brand-new party mode up It is apex legends and I'm pretty sure he hates it cuz everybody plays with sucks cuz I was here They're right you're the Chino fingers and milk mommy were there and it was up there's a legitimate moment where a Kevin's asking me for a lot of things and he's like did you ping it? I'm like yeah, I ping it I was gonna ping it and I just went son of a bitch and I like and I was like oh I was like just just look around He took his machine went We got second place oh wow I had two kills of like 300 damage something Nick had like 140 damage no kills Kevin zero kills zero damage Really impressive Esports level a fax legends go to youtube.com slash kind of funny games subscribe pick up party mode there one second I forgot that I told an aniologist that I would say looking to the camera and say I'm okay Close to the one on her I'm a banana or maybe another one. I'm a banana. There you go.

You're reference He wrote into the wrong See you in Texas in a couple weeks. I say I'm sorry mama say hi. Sorry like fresh. You know, I'm not doing what I'm talking Hey, mom miss you so much miss you dad as well.

I'll see you guys at our TX Texas forever nice. Texas forever. This is what you say to your family I Say things today we're rock to you guys Later right now we'll start the show with of course what is and forever will be what you've been playing He's very sorry. He's very sorry.

He loves you. I think he tells you every show I think he says it He doesn't say he loves you to Gia. He does a hug Gia You know when I say I love you on the phone. Yeah I love you and you walk out of the room.

Yeah, you hate me. I think about it Andy yeah, it's Fran you guys have been playing bloodstained ritual of the night Frank tell me what are your thoughts here on this bloodstained? So I've only played it for called a hot minute mmm over an hour or something like that got all the way through the first big boss Which from what I can tell is scraping the surface because I have seen a lot of gameplay my brother plays it It's just over the left side of my living room. I'm seeing like tons of gameplay But as many of you probably know, it's from irashii right this was a Kickstarter project originally.

Yeah, yeah It took a while long time late, but man, it's it's really come through. This was the original creator of like what simply the night The mainstays of Castlevania so long story short. That's what you expect is a Metroidvania. It's really cool It is very classic though.

I'll say so you definitely got to be looking for a Metroidvania pull up your map going to areas that you haven't explored yet and You know from the mechanics side of things I guess I didn't know what to expect there And so and you know you can hop in and tell me what's beyond this but I hopped in right and they just kind of have like your You're kicking sure and then that's where you start because very often in Metroidvania So I'll get into start with very little so that made sense But then you just start opening up a lot of chests I know she's getting lots of stuff to wear which increase your defense and then you're getting like a knife or getting a whip or you're getting A gun even and you're getting like a lot of weapons So I don't know how far this goes But I noticed that was to me the biggest surprise in mechanics. I didn't play there's a original blood scene before this right What's it one before this thing before this thing before this thing before this Intecreates put out a 8-bit like hey, here's this other That's right. It's 8-bit or one version of it but it was in the blessing universe. They're like we're gonna do this in the meantime Gotcha.

So yeah, anyway going in I didn't know what to expect was the points But it seems like you just pick up a lot of chess equip a different loadout as you know your play style So I really like it. It's all 2d the style is super vibrant another thing that surprised me I actually don't love the style. I like the characters and stuff. It's very like anime But it's also just a very like separated super vibrant on real engine kind of world It doesn't matter anything I just thought it was gonna be a little more like creepy and more I don't know call it stylistic And you played a lot more right yeah, I'm a little over at 13 hours in I think the map cool I'm like at 65% map completion I'm like that.

I'm having a lot of fun with it. I don't think it's a game without fault I think that like a lot of them maneuvering I It relies on a lot of sort of nostalgic game design Things that I feel like we've evolved past but it still sort of harkens back to like I feel like nowadays It's we should have a forward and a back dash on the same button That's just directional But in this case you have a back step and then you have a slide forward and they're both two separate buttons Where I'd rather be like a dodge button in your putting control on the direction going that way or whatever But it's really frustrating to be running towards an enemy and you might accidentally face face the other way And then you back set towards the enemy instead of like away from the attack It's kind of frustrating. Yeah, the slide is like such an afterthought to me. I don't even most times I forget I even have the damn slide And those are like some of my my main issues with it It's not like 90s controls.

I was that is that by design though? That was the ego's whole thing where we launched the Kickstarter was the idea that Publishers have told me nobody wants this kind of game anymore and I'm improving different No, I think that's precisely it is for the fans of that metroidvial from the 90s with all of his touches, you know Yeah, you're right I have the style of the metroidvania plus like the art style that embodies or is inspired by the original but with updated control schemes to Accommodate for new inputs that you can get in modern controllers It just doesn't make sense to me that you would input that just to like keep the legacy alive when very clearly There's been so much more innovation inputs over the last year you guys are going to be that I'm you got I'm Greg Miller I'm I'm Greg and I do a podcast a certain way right not great I'm not that guy but like I do have whatever I know we've invented podcast beyond right is keep ripping her off and doing His different shows right like I you know you're getting out of a Greg Miller podcast and same what you know You're gonna be a game say we're like make a man 11 right know in a food a so there's rewindability or no That was the collection wasn't it was it I don't remember ever I know you're going I still disagree I think you can you can have the content and the creative embodiment of what it was as a classic retro title without necessarily needing to say The inputs the button the physical button you press the controller are also retro But it fundamentally changed the game place I actually agree with Greg sentiment Which is whether I mean we'd have to ask irasi like that was the goal But meaning it is not like a high animation fast action tons of you know It's very much it's about as slow as a cast of any games I have a whole lot of experience the cast of any games here But I just it doesn't it's not the super fast precise platform or anything like that the now you can remap buttons and things like that which is kind of neat I put my I believe the back step was originally on L1 on PS4 and I mapped it to circle just because I feel like more comfortable with that anyway I don't want to focus too much on that I think it's controls pull you out occasionally a little bit Oh and oh shit I ran into an area last night where you are underwater There's this game has like a hundred demons I believe I you said this on kind of a daily You're right that I wanted to say it was actually 160 okay There's a fuckload of demons and each one of these demons if you kill them The there are chances that they will drop a shard and the shard like you know Inhales and you're like and you're yelling whatever and like you're giving this power now now whether the if it's a small enemy It's usually the power is that you can summon them as a helper that will go at you know Yeah, give some damage off or whatever a little 27 okay, so there's there's a fuckload of demons and holy shit I swear to Christ like some of these demons are just like nouns and adjectives thrown into a randomizer and they hit randomizer Okay, come on cover toaster guitar woman. She's in the game like there's a woman with an electric guitar That is awesome like that creates and there's a fucking puppies head like a little like kind of laval doodle puppy head I just kind of it's really really it's really off-putting anyway It's a fuckload of a shitload of demons in this game and each one of them gives you an ability And you could sort of equip what a couple of time or is just no you have separate you have separate ability So one of them is like your art to yeah Can be an attack I don't really see how they differentiate what can be on your art to attack Whatever you will be in your triangle attack because they are separate like it's almost like having your passive is this and your primary is this and maybe But I think the powers are really cool They changed a lot of the way you can play the game right now I use this thing called Teps Oceus and it's just like if there's a shitload of like like small Ads in the room or whatever I hit R2 and an electrical current kind of zaps all in at the same time And you can upgrade those shards as well and those upgrades come with like oh at first the electrical thing only did three A time now to go for now could go to five enemies or whatever There's a lot of upgrades this game super deep Seems that's where I don't have a place thought diversity The I got to a place last night that was very frustrating though And hopefully it's one of the only spots that I have to deal with it But it's underwater and this whole time I hadn't been able to swim because I hadn't encountered an enemy yet That if you kill it you want to swim if you kill the first time you something may not ever happen But if you leave you come back you kill it again. Nothing ever happens.

It's a random chance It's random chance. Yeah, I was are you gonna fairly quickly But I know killing this little squid last night that gave me the ability to She essentially like aims her arm in the direction that you push water out and then you flow through the Really frustrating thing about this part of the game and holy shit. I was not happy with this choice at all is that Suddenly you are asked to sort of precisely maneuver underwater, but the controls are inverted Oh, so if I have to aim I have to aim top left for me to go bottom right No, I hate that and I'm like pushing myself around and it's it's whatever if I'm just like kind of trying to avoid enemies Sometimes because then when you stop pointing and you want to attack the enemy you start floating up And that's kind of annoying But then I got to a part where there are spikes in the water that are like shooting out and attacking me and dodging and sure I could be More patient and precise like this just doesn't feel good. This is a really bad choice And that's one of that's probably my major guy.

I think the game's super fun though It is addicting you get to that thing where now I have a double jump Let me go back to all the spots I can double jump your classic major I mean you shit I have a there's other parts earlier in the game where you unlock you kill boss and you unlock a power to Sort of reflect your like you shoot a laser out like oh cool You're are to is like this directional thing where your arm just The analog stick actually aim your arm and power like you can for example have a fire power You've light a fuse on a can with it or you aim your arm and a door to open it But one of them is a reflector a where you it shoots It shows like a guiding laser and it hits the ceiling on the ground There are spaces you couldn't go through before but now you can do do do do it and then reflect into there I like I knew it's a lot of fun. I don't I do think the game's kind of ugly in a lot of parts Our style is a little weird huh? And it's not a lot of people in my chat were asking me like do you think it's just a 2.5d I don't think it's super 5d. I think it's I think it's fine that it's 2.5d I don't know what it's about it coming out right where I'm not coming out I mean if you announce me that you go on it I remember this correctly to make it look more like Castellania obviously with like the you know the 3d character or you know I mean the model there but he was like it's just too expensive to do with that way so it's easier to Do this and this is how it's gonna be you create a model and you animate it from there I suppose to the animating frame by frame by frame by frame by frame by It's obviously a lot more efficient, but I don't I don't have a problem with the fact that it's 2.5d I just think a lot of the background art there's some moments where you're walking and there's a a castle in the background Kind of like your very prototypical you see the castle with the moon or whatever you can go there But it's like add some depth of feel or something like this looks like a really low poly model in the background It's there's a lot of background areas and just environment art in general that don't look good I think the lighting's really bizarre.

Yeah, there's a lot like I think of a game like Hollow Knight that has such beautiful Yeah, it's a very sort of mood lighting and some parts of darker and that's fine But I feel like this game felt the need to just be bright everywhere very clean and vibrant all around exactly It's a little too clean environment When I glanced at it reminds me and I started it played for two seconds because I was testing something so I haven't got it And I was waiting for the switch version which I installed but then switches always problems with loading or whatever Yeah, I think I don't know how far this is glancing at the art style is always reminded me and stick with me way forward Chante like you know like animated cartoon thing right but in that it works regardless for either game But like Chante always was like it's a cartoon. That's how it should look like anywhere This one it always has been this juxtaposition of it's clearly trying to be a modern Castlevania and have that aesthetic to it Yeah, but then it looks more like that unless interesting mix Yeah, I mean honestly for a game called bloodstained and it's not based on anything is it? No, yeah, so for some of you everybody we heard you last week. We're aware cyberpunk 2077 is based on cyberpunk Directions but but meeting for something called bloodstained it does not look how you think it's very clean shiny vibrant and also on the 2.5 d-com just so people fully understand though rendering everything's in 3d, but it's 2d left to right Yeah, but just in case they thought it was like super mario.

Oh 3d world You know But anyway, but I do like I think the game is really really good though If you're looking for yeah, if you're looking for that style of gameplay and especially somebody who has a mastery of designing games like that I think that's what it overall delivers on but you said it's not without fault And I've only played you know for an hour But some things do feel a bit to our cake at times but the amount of place out that that did surprise me I was like oh you know quit at any time so many different things in the middle of combat to you like using a way I'll stop I'm using giant clay where I'll stop I'll use this and also the magic replenishes really fast I notice and that they're encouraging to use your powers a lot Which I actually really like I thought it was gonna be that I thought might be moral score you barely ever get to using No, it's not that it's pretty very often. Yeah very forward So I think if you're looking for that type of game you like it but it's probably in that 7 to 8 5 range like I don't know without playing it But you really need to be looking for that here my two questions I think one for just any one for the entire table Andy for you Why this are you surprised you like this you don't have an experience with gasoline before you were something I just it was a game that I've rented a couple times it was anything that I ever like sat down and wanted it wasn't like my Mega Man back in the day, you know, I just I know that I love Metroidvanias. Okay, and so I was like sure I'll play the Because are you surprised this one clicked? Yeah, actually I am.

Yeah, I I do think the design is you know very smart I I do feel though however like a plain axi invert shell years ago where axi invert I thought I'm gonna I think kind of uh Wasn't evolved version of the classic Metroidvania where you go back to certain areas and now these enemies can be affected by this Other power you have that wasn't available before I feel like there's not any of that yet Okay, where everything is still you hit the thing and it dies But I do remember moments and axi invert being like holy shit that's smart I haven't really had a whole lot of moments like that yet It's mostly like level accessibility level accessibility. It's not enemies that you couldn't correct. Yeah. Yeah, yeah Then the question for the table Andrew you are you surprised this game is good and is being critically well received?

No, I'm not I'm not surprised that it's good and as being well received I think a game like this is set up for success because video game media loves classic retro inspired things sure And especially something as classic as a Castlevania game, right? So I think I'm really excited to hear that it's good because I feel like we've seen some of these Kickstarter games I'm not a number nine is the unfortunate poster child for something that people had a lot of high hopes for for really Reinvigorating a classic style from a gigantic creator that just really fell on its face and thankfully this hasn't obviously there's Have a couple hiccups that launch like almost every video game does sure and I think we're talking about it Yeah, I think I'm being switched right like it's got all these loading problems Why not that game breaking bug right? The input delays also yeah, the input delay Sucks Yeah, Jeff Grop showed that on He like they were testing out between PC and switch that switch has three times the input delay where like it shows in slo Mo the button being pushed and then the PC character jumps and the switch characters Oh, yeah, I saw that video going around too I mean that to me is something that's fixable right but I think what I'm glad to hear is that bloodstain doesn't have like Overworking gameplay design flaws that make the game itself broken that you can't fix it like some of the issues that Greg And I had with days gone for example Words about input controls or leg or a bug they were about like design choices overall in the game that we just weren't fans of and it sounds Like what's saying doesn't have that I think it's really good I was gonna mention something about about the game really I think the questions that's from I am surprised that it turned out good because I know it's cool Yeah, my name and I part of it But also just the fact that this is again. I'm not this is a my kind of game I don't like a much for being occasionally, but it's rare.

Thank you. That's right. It's my favorite French That's why I said that I know they just not good usually It was the idea that yeah, I mean I remember like if being a huge deal when you get came to the original kind of funny spare bedroom Right in 2015 and like Colin got to talk to him and all this stuff very normal Huh? Aaron from Game Grumps was there No, that's not right.

He raised that. Oh, here's what I was gonna mention. Oh, sorry And then it was the fact that it's just been going on so long and I was confused as well when into creates put out the 8-bit one I was like wait, what's going on? I remember Jeremy all excited about it and then I felt like literally I was having a conversation with somebody I guess this just came out this week or last week or last week or last week or last week or last week or anything else And so was that III or I sound a conversation made with easy allies that I can imagine.

Oh, yeah, but what it's out next week Yeah, I didn't hear anything about this. I thought I was like that doesn't sound like it's in gonna actually line up the way Yeah, because we're used to and it's like radio silence. Yeah, that's probably you know might be mixed for you know Section or be bad. What'd you remember?

It does show you though that the like again this game It can be kind of unoptimized where I'm running on PS4 Pro and there are still moments Every once in a while where I kill any man Free frame and then the animation happens like there are like kind of some massive frame drops here and there nothing game breaking But it's that's surprising to me given the really not super graphical Exactly and I think that just goes I think that's just mostly because it's a smaller studio working on a game where there's not The times where we play a very small indie game on party mode It's like this was made in unity or whatever by five people and we're still having frame rate issues Not because it's like graphically, you know We're playing out in the same thing too You can if you have blood state at home and when you start a new game put team fat in all caps one word And you'll unlock the kind of funny logo to play as oh really? I that was a testing and I haven't promoted it because it almost gave me like a seizure like it's like It's like what the fuck is going on? I don't know I don't even know if it's been fixed yet So I say the yeah, the real crying shame about this is um, so if this is personal to me I guess but I play games when I'm in a mood in other words There's certain games that I really want to play and switch when I'm on a pleasure That's just the way the gaming has evolved for me and unfortunately So most of my time in front of my PC streaming or playing games there what a nerd grinding out games like destiny division two anything in that world I also like highly cinematic games like last of us days gone god wore all that stuff So anyway my point is this game is perfect for switch. It is like in my opinion It is exactly what I want I'm a huge fan of super Metroid and Metroid and Castlevania Sifty the night all of that and so I would love to bring this on points when I heard that it does not perform Well one that's why I was like wow just play it on PC because I want the best experience Yeah, but if they fixed it up on switch and you have a switch I think it's gonna be a top game this year when you really like look I mean granted a ton of games I have to think about it But I feel like it's gonna fit into a category like you should get this on switch and it's one of those two like I You know Gary and I talked about on games daily this week I think it's telling that they want to fix these problems the fact that they have a statement out the date after the switch was released I'm just like hey, we hear you we see you we're not gonna wait for a giant patch We're doing a bunch of little ones.

We're working on it now granted. They've been working on the game clearly they knew something I don't know I wrote you want to give them but it was at least they're communicating where so many people are terrible at doing these days Yeah, but I don't know if that makes sense But I feel like on that platform it would be a lot more joke because I'm playing it into like 20 minutes dance 40 minutes Dance and flying who knows and I think it's great for that But in front of my PC, I'll be honest I was like playing it for a while and I was like yeah I like this was very archaic and again, there's nothing wrong with that I love those types games, but I can't play them in my PC or even my living room I don't think like just rather play no honestly No, honestly, you have to run into the rooms to save the game And I really don't like is that the and this is clearly just a design choice where they could have done it a certain way that I would have preferred where there are save rooms and there are fast travel rooms Yeah, they are not one of the same and I think that's really dumb like the fact that they have fast travel rooms Yeah, you can find a separate fast travel room But if I get to a spot and I save it it's like fuck I have to go back up there You wanted it and your Maybe there's one in the room kind of near me, but that's the closest one I know of I don't want to risk going that way Let me go all the way back to if you die fuck it you're back to your Yeah, whatever, but I really think that those should have been one of the same just you know you should save more for it idea You got it. It's true that it teaches you really Sorry to twitch things. It's a twitch thing.

Yeah, it's an emote forehead like I should have done that Yeah, exactly, but um These kids these Gary would have Learned a storm no I didn't watch games daily, but I was watching Gary's stream and he was like yeah Greg really got me good when he was like so Gary's stream and speaking of another senior citizen that's pretty standard I Don't know you're playing was classic. Yeah, you know it's by a classic game. What's thing? You're also playing the brand new outer wilds.

Yeah, I beat out of wilds kind of around when we started getting going with e3 So it kind of just got lost in the shuffle I feel but yeah I played in beat outer wilds over maybe a week or something like that a lot of hours here and there a lot of There do you feel it deserves it's get it's deserved. Oh my god. It is one of it is It's probably my game of the year really I first I kept thinking apex of my game They're similar to how like when overwatch was out that year That was my game that I just could not put down and I felt the same way about apex But I think outer wilds my game of the year right now. It is it it is so challenging It throws away.

It is not hold your hand at all. Yeah, you're gonna work for a lot of these puzzles where it's constant It's context clues. There's there's a moment where There's a moment where you have to There's sand being pulled from your planet to another planet and if you get caught in the sand vortex You shoot up but you notice on the ground where the sand moves over there's a guy in the ground and he hasn't been shot By the sand so what's going on here? Oh, he's underneath the bridge if I stand underneath the bridge I won't get sucked up that means that I can do this it's like so it's it reminds me of when people play the witness And they're all up on that like it is problem-solving But tied with this fantastic narrative that you can kind of discover as you play It is you're not gonna play it kind of in the same order than anybody else would you were discovering this mystery about the universe and It's the mys and it's past But I've the feelings that I had watching interstellar in a movie theater.

You're getting with this game a million times I've had this feeling in this game. I was talking I forgot who I was talking to I think it might have been Gary I was like no, it was Daniel Dwyer I was like I have felt every emotion playing this game and at times all of them at the same time Like I'm scared, but I'm excited and I'm like there's gonna be tears in my eyes like this game's fucking incredible Dude, so not to interrupt but to maybe give people some context for what the Outer Wilds is for people who are like I don't know that's I gained it obsidians made it right outer world Yeah, so unfortunately they're both releasing in the same year But so people understand how would you describe what the game of the Outer Wilds is the game of Outer Wilds is a it's on game Pass now so if you have game pass again, it's it's free on game pass if you already are a subscriber or whatever Outer Wilds is very much like a Groundhog Day game where at a certain time period you'll start at the beginning and you have to keep on discovering It's a space exploration sort of a sci-fi narrative But it's not a lot of people immediately think it's like no man's sky where it's like millions of planets It's not always generated. No, no, this is a you're in a contained solar system with I think like eight or nine planets or something like that And you are this sort of spacefaring race of creatures that are you're not human You're just kind of on this planet with a bunch of other like kind of cartoony looking aliens and you are gonna go Explore space and there are other astronauts just like you who have already gone out and you have to kind of seek them out Find out what they've figured out and learn as you go and it is again It is not a game that hand holds you're not gonna get fucking waypoints telling you where to go There's no the clues are all things that you just read in the world There's you're essentially this you're learning about the prior race before you that kind of laid this foundation This is like several hundred thousand years ago I believe or fifty thousand years ago or something because like most video games you start this one no one's a hundred percent sure what's going on You're special right I've played through the intro a couple times and you walk like when you leave You're getting ready to take off you see these little things before you can and you wait back to your spaceship right? There's like a Stachey monument that speaks to you and you turn to everybody you see that like no one's ever It's been like what are you talking about yeah?

And so as you are sort of discovering how that happened to you and why that happened to you you are also learning about Your solar system that you live in and the people that were there before you the explorers that were there before you their technology what they're working on It's it's so fascinating. I can't recommend this game more. I think it's all person. It's offers person.

Yeah I think a lot of people I've noticed you can rush miles you can rush miles. Yeah And people have kind of like told me that they were put off by the flight controls I had problems with the flight controls like fairly just in the beginning. I didn't really continue to have those issues sounds like I didn't enjoy the flight controls when I played but I think that's one thing that you just have to spend time practicing Yeah, you just do a reversal mechanic and again. It's different.

You know just gotta practice Yeah, it's been my experience with it is that judges week last year we played it then there wasn't I went to do sign Our wild hearts around GDC time They had and I played it again and both those times that it was just from the start like go ahead and play and the injury did not click for me And so when it actually launched launch I was like I got it tried I have the past booted it up turned it on jumped in and didn't get much for it was like I'm off the plane and I'm going I was one planet. It's pretty much all water I bumped into something my thruster. I mean the water can get out. I was like all right This isn't you're saying there's no hand holding and you were saying a second ago about you like what mood you need to be in frame Like yeah, I was like I am not right.

I'm not in the mood I get a T stick to figure out how to do this. It's like I hate to put people off in this game But it's sort of like recommending somebody watch a 12 hour documentary on JFK or something We're like you're not just gonna sit down and experience a super fast episode of the office that's like being bank Bank on the economy when it's it's it's something you have to sit down and experience and Mertin and immerse yourself like it's the type of game that when I beat it I immediately went to the subreddit and just read on everything I could and I just wanted to learn more and if there's stuff I missed there's a bunch of different endings the just read the subreddit got it The feelings you get from not only what's happening in the game, but paired with the soundtrack the soundtrack is available on Spotify It is fucking great tons of it feels like it There's a lot of those moments where you have these sort of powerful Things that are happening on screen and the amplifying the organs are It's beautiful dude. I think cost some inspiration then from Those vibes where you're watching or selling everything super loud and you're scared But Andrew prawn contact by the way the original I tweeted him and I was like you made one of my favorite soundtracks ever Thank you for this. Yeah, I'm a party so at one point you're in tears and you said The contact reference.

Oh contact. I watch content. It's got some really cheesy, but awesome moment. I don't recommend it more Please play it is it's sort of a student project in 2013 or something like that and then it just you know enough people liked It's where I guess Microsoft or whoever you know published it and built a team around them And I'm gonna go yeah, I'm gonna be checking this out on friday Oh for something new to play and like it's been sitting in my epic store I'll talk about a double promotion, but it's been in the epic store and I've been wanting to play it I have access to it now and a world mystery game about a solar system trapped in an endless time loop Yeah, you have a set amount of time and then you go back to the beginning to do everything I'm a George mask.

It's very similar to like that. You're you're you start you start hearing the music pop up I'm really and you're like oh shit. I have to tell you how much time you have 22 minutes. It does no Series over I got checks out um yeah, yeah like if Well, but you're at building things in the world changing things in the world No, you are you are learning you are sort of collecting knowledge.

Yeah, you're a character members You go back to your happy death day or happy death day to you sure you remember everything when you're recently Yeah, you have this a sort of clue thing on your ship that looks like a it kind of just looks like you know There's information here, and it's all tied together and eventually it all starts tying in yeah, it's so funny hours Would you estimate it might be I'd say maybe close to 20 or 15? So it's not like a 60 hour That's a thing. There's so many you can forego a lot of things in this game and maybe fast track it I don't know how long that would take if that's possible But the game is so weird because you're not exploring it the same way you're not learning this knowledge the same way that anybody else Is playing it is learning it's if I go to this planet first I'm gonna learn stuff there that you might not know because you went to that place first shit like that and you're kind of Pcing this puzzle together cool. It's awesome.

It's incredibly speaking of incredible things ladies and gentlemen I had a dream come true where we travel a lot for you know, not you so much anymore your party PC Yeah, I mean sometimes me and Andrew travel a lot. Yeah, you're going to Texas. Yeah, you are not I want to run you I was conversation with team the other day on our trip back for me three right and I was just like man It just sucks right now, and I was holding my switch of like I have so many games on the switch But none of them are what I want right now. Yeah, we're talking about moods right I can't talking about I want to Line right now.

I just want to run around and smash the hell out of stuff I don't have a little answer It's not what this story is going but I was looking for something to kind of be obsessed with on the switch right and it happened not once But twice maybe in the since then since I guess last games cast really where we got a million press releases as everybody knows One of them that dropped in my inbox the other day was for dandy dungeon have you heard of dandy dungeon? Uh, it was a goofy enough name right where I was like what the hell is dandy dungeon and I scroll down This is what sold me on it dandy dungeon is a story-driven romantic comedy rogue light RPG which uses retro visuals with modern ideas and features an amazing soundtrack which later chip tunes and the humming of the main character himself loot procedurally generated dungeons transform your weapons into legendary blades collect dandy armor sets and catalog monsters in your quest for Love this is a solid discussion and I was like immediately reply Yeah, I'd like a code for this and I got it totally expecting I get quotes for all which stuff and switch I pop in I play for a while I'm like, okay, cool. I can talk like games cast or this is for me And I know I move on to the next thing jumped into this one and immediately just started checking all the boxes of what I want At this moment, right where it is the idea here is that you are full title, right? I don't have any I put pull over here is it's dandy dungeon legend of brave yamata and the idea is that you are yamata son You are a Japanese programmer.

You are 36 You live alone. Yeah, right? Yeah, he looks a lot like Mario as a character to you live alone And you program it like basically they're Nintendo the biggest thing right and you decide you decide he decides he wants to start making His own game, right? And so he starts just working on it as computer and then you go in and play test the levels Right you go in you debug the system and this whole thing starts to evolve You know cute girl moves in next door so he's like he falls in love with her He puts her in the game as the princess now the game changes from just going through the dungeon I'm trying to save the princess right and like then you know his Al has very early and it's not a story driven game His the CEO the publisher comes in it's just like you're not coming to work anymore You're fired right so now he's the evil guy in the game And your mom so proud of you that she's sending you new mini levels to play to put into your thing and do this but what gets crazy about it, right?

Is that husband comes and kills you? No, is that the gameplay isn't turn based it isn't an action game strategy or anything like that It's you go into it's I should point out that this is new to switch as of today as I was recording However, it was a mobile game. So it's got that vertical thing, you know Well now they put on a bunch of stuff on the sides of it But what happens is the gameplay of playing through the dungeons isn't going in and fighting them like with making the choices It's tracing lines are on the map to like it's a tile squares I'm sure you see it now and you trace your path from the start of it bear if you want to bring it up But you need to do you trace your path from the start to the goal And the idea is that you want to touch every one of the tiles to get a bonus and get more gold to come out of But you can also skip it But then you every every empty square you leave that open takes it gives you a hit point or takes away It should say you get damaged so as you go through and start doing this little say He's rolled down. There's a video.

There's five I had to work on the other side. There's five stages five levels to a stage, right? So you have to get clear through them as your as a your modest under the character is going the You know the video game character is going and runs into enemies He'll start attacking them. You don't choose the attacks.

You see it going on there You'll unlock special abilities you'll have a little thing that you can deploy you can deploy a fireball you can do always everything However, it is about like a number one amaze. There's a timer There's penalties if you take too long, but then it is monitoring him on his path of oh, I didn't see this guy He's shooting me from a few tiles away I need to wash my health or I need to make a move beforehand like it's way more complex than I think I initially thought it was Going to be and it's what kept me keeps me coming back to it They're on this comeback trip of like this is so weird like they talk about him humming over the shift tunes like when you do it's It's like the chip to be back on but it is it? Like I use it's really interesting The boss bizarre like a third game. Yeah, it looks like the so is there always indungence.

Yeah, yeah So it looks like it's actually so that the character is almost like Mario as like you work in Nintendo But yeah Mario but the game and the font right is like dragon warrior dragon quest. Yeah, I'm gonna do it Look exactly it's got slimes and stuff. It seems like that's the inspiration for the dungeon So as you see here like this is where the rogue light stuff comes in as you start if you clear the level you bring your treasure Back out you can go back in and replay for bonuses and stars to get more stuff But you bring the gear sets out and then you can level them up with your gold You can take other stuff and infuse them in to make the things stronger the chef outfit comes with a different bonus than say the I think it's a chauffeur outfit with his little it's Super weird and it looks goofy and it's so much fun. It's just a cool idea and at first I when I boot it up It was like oh I didn't realize it's a cell phone game.

Yeah, it's so much deeper than I gave your credit for and if Para Schneider is playing it as well. Oh, I see my leaderboards. I see him on the leaderboard. Yeah, I'll say you to know about this Yeah, so yeah, Danny dungeon legend of brave you modded now on switch again.

That's already out on phones I guess totally get to see over prove a lot of fun really enjoy what I'm playing over it And I was going ham on it having a great time and come back That was the game I was playing down there right have a good time then I went to the kind of funny subreddit frame Oh, and I said I'm gonna say what do you do anything? Huh? Yeah Do you have more questions about? Oh my god, please.

Oh, it was just a very fast and note notable notable point that we don't really cover mobile It's hard to tackle and I'm on a thread with all these ex-apple guys and you know I can tell you how much like for all we know the concert usually here's yeah That gives two years old. It's literally a hundred thousand other games that are better than that that you should play right now I'm sure I think like it's a good reminder that you're liking this game Where were we when this came out? Why did we just wait on our phone like it's still this total mood and this gap of us that we have the bridge I know this and I'm like I don't have time for our phone. Oh, you know, I love this discussion No, totally I'm with you I know there's so many amazing games on mobile devices But again for me it's the buttons in the tactile nature of a switch of a controller to that that I just you're talking about it's 100% true of discovery like in the ground those sites exist those Exists, but I have more games than I'll ever play right now.

I'm worried about three consoles and let alone PC Let alone mobile VR. I'm having counting. I think you nail it with the we haven't or no We've tried we've obviously played mobile games like we prefer the tactile input of See my user term like real and I'm telling you I'm gonna rather these guys and like oh, yeah You're like a baby This is what everybody's playing now and touch you know use your touchscreen You don't need buttons, but I prefer that style and it just is yet the mood and the feel of it And that was the thing like for the record with a bravey mod here dandy dungeon I played on the flight and then for a while it's in parents and it must have been Three hours in three hours straight in this game. Oh, well no I mean over a couple of hours in before I was like wait and I started tracing the line on the finger And I was like realize you can just use your just is so this is clearly how it was designed I'm navigating so much back to the final fantasy white gloved hand around it Like yeah demonstrates the exact problem I'll tell you I also just you can't plan mobile and I don't really have a tablet that I use There's so much other distraction like I'm getting a text message.

I frankly I'm so trained to like check Twitter every like I'm on my phone I'm just gonna cancel the game for like a minute and I'm like it's a terrible experience what I in the same We just did a PlayStation VR show today remember patreon.com I'm gonna play games you watch game and I record a lot before months from now when they're out on YouTube The thing about I love about VR I think speaks to playing switch on a plane it is the idea that with VR Shoop and I'm in that world and I can't look at my phone I can't do this thing I can't worry about anything else in the same way when I'm on a plane right and the switch is on cool I'm not gonna have I don't have that distraction of what's going on my phone you can't walk porty Yeah, exactly right you get to I mean I remember when we when the switch came out and then sell the obviously came out and then what it was like Later that week or a couple maybe eight two weeks later We went to packs and it was a cold cross-country flight and like that I'll never forget landing in Boston being like that felt like it was an hour I played Scott I played Zelda the entire way right I played breath away down at that and it was like exactly it was like the time Just was gone. Yeah, that's such an awesome experience. Yeah similar to the game. I want to talk about now which again I was so happy to have You might have story happening.

I was like good a switch game and I'm all invested on this is cool But I still find I could put it down every so often you know I mean mobile games mobile time to sound games I went to the subreddit while I was in Quebec and found Katie from Greg's comic book club You all know her well, I'm sure she had posted over there moon lighter a Greg Miller asked rogue like on switch Can anyone remember if any of the guys try to talk about a game moon lighter when it came out a year ago? Just started on game pass, but it's also a PlayStation 4 and switch Yeah, I was like I never heard of this I read a description I went and got it and you want to talk about how much I'm out of great This is a game like literally I came in from playing it on the flight home Walked in put it in the dock really control and kept playing it there couldn't feel itself away again frame your bowel Beautiful art You know you push further like a spunk here any other dungeon crawler Whatever you want to say you come back out to the village, right? You go back to your house, and then a new day begins It's daytime and then Fran you sell the stuff you earned in the dungeon because who you are in this game isn't the adventure You are the merchant in town who moonlights as an adventure. Oh, that's cool And so you come back in here and the dates like the combat is fun It's all different jazz you'd expect from that kind of gameplay you come back in and then you do a business simulator Where you go you take your items and like what I'm doing right now is I'm building towards specific gear sets, right?

So I've wishlist everything I need you wishlist thing then my inventory shows if I actually need it for what I'm working on So when I come back out of a dungeon I have all the stuff that I don't need for the projects I'm working on and so I know I'm gonna sell all that I put it on the table I set the prices then I then people come in down people come in they look at it and it's like a Modecom comes up over their head of like dot dot dot then it's either a smiley face They like it the by it this we're grudging smiley face where it's like this a little too much about pay for it a frowny face They won't pay for it and then there's one of the other side spectrum That's gold for eyes like this guy's an idiot He's something way too cheap. Oh, yeah, so you start playing this business thing now of shot man I know what that was and I sold it way too cheap So if it's too cheap is 500, you know you start playing with the economy in the market and then it shows the popular the item You can flood the market with too much of stuff So then your prices go down and they don't care as much then you're earning this money that you then take back out You can upgrade the town bring a blacksmith bring in a guy who you want to find random stuff I'll sell specific stuff Then it's you can upgrade your own shop make a shop bigger You can sell more you've sale tables like so how much of it is playing in the dungeon and fighting things and how much is selling? I would say the majority is playing and fighting the dungeon It's because what happens is in the beginning when you're like, oh, I don't know But right now I've been running the same dungeon over and over again, so I know what I'm getting I know what I'm grinding out towards so when I come back out I just you can there's all these quick features like we're talking about modern game stuff right hover over here quick Move and it'll move it and put it on the table to sell at the price I'd set it up for whether it was popular or not It's kind of like a split of gameplay what if I like battle chef brigade where you would do these dungeon runs to get ingredients Then you would do this like iron chef competition with the ingredients you got in your dungeon run, right? Yeah, interesting, but obviously the art style is very different and like there's no cooking Oh, yeah, totally your nailing in terms of it's this like interesting mashup right of dungeon crawler rogue business simulator doing those Everything's upgrading your town.

It's my favorite type of 2d pixel art day. Yeah, I bought it I played like maybe an hour of it, but I think it was on a trip Yeah, and then I never like picked it up again, but yeah, I enjoyed what I played for sure Yeah, I'm I'm floored like and that's one of those things that you a lot of it's not even a lot of yes actually because we're always usually Ahead of the curve. I'm just taking there right where it's like we get to set tell people what we think it Games before they come out like this I think Katie so much I'm starting this on me because I think of like this is for sure my non-stop switch game Yeah, that's over because I'm just having such a good time with it And if it doesn't have so many road games will put a time on you like oh, yeah fight this thing in this many days or whatever And like this just isn't that pressure. It's like I'm grinding out the same dungeon over and over again And I'm getting the point where I cool I need stuff that I know is in the other dungeon But I'd rather upgrade my shop before I leave so I'm just gonna keep doing this to earn money I'm gonna keep doing this to move on it's cool It's got like also a link to the past kind of vibe.

It's really past its bastion. Yeah What was the one is very full game that I only fought bosses you ran around the little bone arrow We have a check I'll tell you Yeah, I'm gonna be flying the garden. Yeah, I totally recommended I said I'm playing on switch I came home and I didn't think about switching over to PS4 trophies because again It's gonna be something I want to have with me all the different places But again Xbox game pass for free right now. Oh, it's not Xbox game It's really came out in May last year and then came to switch in November of last year So just totally slip either DC apparently coming for it Games like that that as we sit here talking about our mood and where we play it should we play mobile?

That is where I think stadium X cloud eventually gonna be fitting in like if this is on game Spass and it's on X cloud and I can just if I can somehow still play it on the plane though That's you won't be able to play on playing now if I can't Take so many boxes that it's on games. Let's just do it, but I'll be getting this for switching obviously you bring up Say next time you want to talk about you played. Yeah, anything. We didn't have a chance to talk about it So we're ship around here.

But all you want to do is go So wait, yeah, you weren't on the show last week or So anyway, the shorter was what did you say in your tweets if you could recap what your experience? That's all I know that you know about stadia. I played it and you like most your friends I'm always speaking my just my reaction. Yeah, I thought it's great It's all for me.

I play do maternal again. I played on a I played off of a chrome book running an ethernet line into it HDMI to the TV yes, I say that one more time you played off of a chrome book running an ethernet line So I was an ethernet to the chrome so you were hardwired hardwired connection. Mm convenient. Well, sure it's not a full test But whatever 25 minutes per second.

I was in the same room. Yeah, 1080p you guys do like a speakeasy We test no it's always speed test that net you mean no, I mean look I'm gonna trust PR when they told me and I actually talk to one of your falling is friend I also know the PR. No for many years Anyway, yes, the setup was exactly do me turn on 1080p it was on a 30 some inch maybe 40 inch television I think 40 a I'm gonna put connected to a So that's the thing you were actually playing on full-size TV and then we had a stadium controller So yeah, you walked out and so you were like for me it totally reinforced everything that I want that thing to be in it I was like I bought a foundish package after that, you know a press conference and I was like I know I'm doing this on blind faith I'm doing all this I like I walked out of that. I was like I'm in this just justified that purchase of I don't know If it's going to be the end I'll be off it's gonna take off it's gonna do it, but I'm in for the ride of it works I'm in for the ride of that.

Yeah, how'd you like a controller wait? Can we come back to the controller? The easy answer is totally solid. It's based on Xbox.

I think and it feels sort of normal It's kind of got the PlayStation stick layout though, right? Let's go back to it But so I'm gonna ask you you're playing do maternal on this right? Did you want to play do maternal on this was that sort of way or you're just like wait it works and so whatever comes this way You know this is how I think we talked about my doom thing last week right where this is where you're gonna play key to it was that Oh, I sweet you're saying if you have it now, and they all come out at the same time when you say to me You're like I'm totally in I'm just wondering what does that mean? Does that mean that you actually own two versions?

But you're gonna play it on the road sometimes and you assume it is cross-air What does it for me? I know that's getting in the me totally comes down to that's a TV I shake the magic a ball and can't tell you because I don't have all the information I need to see what it runs like on my house Wi-Fi what it runs like on hotel Wi-Fi and see if it's yeah You still want to see if Stadia works outside the test and I sure what it's interesting that you bring up a single-player experience I mean obviously doom has multiplayer, but they've already said that they don't know what their cross-play situation across save situations Gonna be with stadia when it launches because they don't have those deals worked out with the other platform makers And so I think it's going to be nice to have an option especially for people like you and I friend that play a lot of destiny I that has a cloud-saving system So I could play it at home on my ps4 and then if I'm on the road I don't have to bring my ps4 and my game screen and all of that all the cables and everything that go along with that I can just bring my iPad and play stadia with my you know Right no That's like the promise of what stadia can do however We don't know if I'm gonna have to buy a license for shadowkeeper whatever the next thing for destiny is on PlayStation and on stadia Yeah, no you do right get it with your founders pastor You don't have to worry about sorry your first month of pro stadia pro you get shadowkeep so technically you own two versions But you're set because now you owe off your main version and that version but what is it working on other games? And that's what I'm going with this is what you want stadia for you think of playing your living room So you're saying for stars you guys see the works at 100% let's say do I talk about this on the games Cast me and Tim did at e3 where we were doing beers and hang out But if stadia and I know this won't happen I don't bother even throwing hot coals on me, but if stadia works the way it works when we used it and on the road works Cl comparable maybe there's a degree in visual quality, but I'm still not feeling late in you know what I mean I do I felt like do I'm a serious I'm a stadia felt like doom when we played it a judge's week on whatever fancy SPC we're playing with both controller If that is the same way then it will be a long hard conversation It will suddenly become a am I gonna play in this game? No, then probably go to stadia Visit bet MDM casino and check out the newest exclusive the prices right fortune pick bet MDM and game sense reminds you to play responsibly 19 plus the waiter Ontario only please play responsibly if you have questions are concerned about your gambling or someone close to you Please contact connect Ontario at 1 8 6 6 5 3 1 2 600 to speak to an advisor Recharge bet MDM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario Because you might want to play on the road or something.

I'm on the road so much I do so many things that yeah Like it just makes more sense that if I you know it was of you know I talk about me I wish there's something on switch I say that because I'm on the road so much as I'm a switch with me It's easy when I go, you know, it's easy when we're at Jen's parents house in the country that cool We're gonna go downstairs and you know for 45 minutes or whatever she's playing start doing on playing a Yamaada right before bed It's like that's so much easier than cool. We're gonna stairs in the first five minutes is me breaking out the ps4 on wine the cable plugging in What's your wife like? What a hassle it's not even that it's like such a first world problem Yeah, but it's so much you know it's going if it was sometimes I'm just like I just leave in the back Yeah, I don't want to back her and that's the thing I was talking about if it's just turn on the iPad turn on the controller And I'm playing a game and this is the kind of funny model. We talk about all this that's good enough Yeah, it's good enough then yeah like playing doom eternal It was I was like good enough.

Oh, yeah, but I was like, oh, yeah I'm not even that guy you kind of are that guy I was like this the colors look a little bit more washed out than I remember I Always be better on certain times right I don't give a shit. I would have played it there right perfect segue So So I played it. I also played x-by the way I don't know if you guys had the chance um But I went in with a very critical eye to because I'm the video guy and also you know like if I take a photo right I'm zooming in it takes me like seven years to release a single photo because I'm like every all the detail right so to be fair I'm trying to set myself up I am a snob when it comes to fidelity of stuff But that's one thing that I really enjoy and that is why I've been very bought in still to the idea that I probably will have you know The ps5 and the next Xbox and be really all in on that hooked up to either you know My PC screens or my home 4k screen and all about fidelity because the difference between direct output versus what's going on with Stadia that was the biggest thing I want to see I describe it as you're playing YouTube right you're selecting the 1080p or you selecting 4k Like that is the experience you're getting quote unquote because it's you know It sends this direct signal and it comes back to you after being compressed as a video signal and that's a and it's Google Making it trust me. It's not that far off of probably what YouTube does for its encoding long story short when you were just brought up You know yeah look a little more washed out man.

I saw a lot more than that going on I also to be fair I went in looking for it I had just played doom eternal on PC at the Bethesda event, you know the day before so I had a very good point of reference Where I'm going with this is yes, it's good enough and the input latency. Let's just address that I was surprised I was surprised as you I was like I was like testing I was like is this really is it working right? I was like wow like it's pretty close You know like I'd have to get into like a multiplayer match I think but I felt like I could aim at the enemy So I didn't feel like I was really searching for the feeling of like bad latency and input I was surprised you know didn't have that I think we're in a situation now hearing you guys talk about it where if Stadia can beat out switch There's really no reason why you would ever want to play a third-party game on switch over Stadia because as we've seen I've yet to see a third-party triple-lay release on hold on switch that hasn't had some kind of resolution dip Sure frame rate dips latency issues some kind of technical down grain I'm saying switches what double the price of Stadia right now true But I was gonna say and we I do this we always do this how you gonna play on the bus the airplane at the park What is your plan see what I'm saying like LTE on your phone at the park? I guess hopefully you're good But you need 25 make a bit of sex for 1080p no I'm with you I'm just bringing that up The switch is my playing machine right like when I'm not because I can barely do gmail on plain Wi-Fi I'm not happening right I'm right there with you in the fact that I think in this that world that it would just be the fact that my Consoles are coming with me What's just a stadia where I think like I could still think of the switch would be the indie machine It probably would be where I still play moon lighter because all right cool I want to be able to play it anywhere on the bus on the on the Sun on the Muni or whatever Yeah, but I'm thinking of my stadia experiences in a perfect world that I know won't have it is that cool Oh man kick out my heels in bed in between a shoot on a set before You know hurry up and wait before we film this thing I boot up and I will run a couple things in division again dream world Thanks Joey.

Yep. So anyway, yeah, I think that is what's gonna get a lot of us is like Should I get it on switch because I'm not gonna have a connection or maybe I'm gonna yeah I'll just get stadia because I think I'm gonna have a connection most of them It's gonna be interesting to go through that But just to finish where I was going with it is on the gameplay was working fine on this 1080p recommended 25 minutes per second Fidelity wise though It is very much a 1080p video encoded frame and it just hit me in the face like a truck and for me I felt like I was playing an Xbox, you know 360 game. That's an exaggeration. You played the same thing You didn't feel like that right now, but I knew something's down That guy was she it's was she you're gonna get a desaturated look from video compression You're also gonna get some artifact levels are always like raised up a little bit.

Oh, yeah It's all over the place. I mean the truth is if if and when I should say we see this side-by-side I think you'll be surprised at how different the fidelity looks and also it brings in a question What is the fidelity? I mean playing people in their minds? I and maybe where you're going are still like oh man, it's gonna be like a 2080 TI highest end graphics card anything that's coming over an internet connection is always gonna be less than something That's native on a disc or even that's downloaded as a piece of well That's what's it on your system.

Yeah, that's what's being sent back to you So it's degraded coming back to but my point is in the cloud we don't I don't know if we got hardware specs yet No, no, I think in the cloud that I mean they kept on sort of you know Showing off and saying that you are gonna be playing these games at a highest settings possible in 4k I mean that's on that means I'm like, you know, but is it a 980s of 28? You see what I'm getting at? Well, they said you could play I think it's like the equivalent of playing a PC game on high setting at at launch Google City will use a custom 2.5 gigahertz hyper threaded x86 CPU with AVX 2 SIMD a custom AMD GPU capable of 10.7 teraflops 16 gigabytes of RAM with up to 484 gigabytes per second transfer speeds I'd have to look at that bandwidth and compare it to like the cards out there Doesn't really matter for a small subset of gamers to be frank, you know The people that are very into their TV settings and no, it's way dude. I actually know it's a huge difference No, I was going with this I think though that the people who are going to be bought into stadium at launch are not those people those people are gonna continue to Play in their PC where they have been playing hundred percent.

Yeah, yeah, but I just I'm just so two things one We need to see 4k because if you can do 4k HDR whatever in your home that was like So I'm curious to see how that encoding looks and maybe if you can even play 1080p in that but like I said I'm the video guy. I'm not being even overly critical. There's a big difference in the I am I've been the most critical of so It's okay friend. I'm coming I'm coming when I say yes, I get pick over video fidelity.

Yes, I do But it's also a huge difference from just playing say you're switching something to be you get a very degraded okay various Exetration, I'm only playing one game, but I noticed there's the point that is my biggest concern if you're going into by stadium I just want to put it into categories I have buyer be excited and buyer beware the buyer be excited is what Greg talked about like wow it works Oh my god suddenly I can probably just play this in like a decent hotel like we'll see where that goes and have the convenience like Like play wherever you want and it's it's stuff like the vision You know just be able to pop that open without bringing your ps4 with you I mean that's amazing or for me on the road I'm super excited to have a copy of destiny to shadow keep and be like I just log on a play strike and not like I don't have to Bring it with it's amazing the buyer beware side is I think you'll be surprised with the fidelity at 1080p currently We'll see if that improves over time, and I want to see where 4k goes I think those are the same. I don't think you can I think I don't think they're mutually exclusive I think you're both I'm both we're I'm super excited and I keep saying here It's probably not gonna be that way like I'm aware exactly I think they'll get there Yeah, I hope so right, you know, but I think like when this thing goes live it's gonna have a ton of problems sure Right, what did you think of the controller? We're taking the pain? Yeah?

Yeah, so actually that was really impressed with the controller It felt natural it didn't at any point didn't really stand out to me I was funny to doom controls like we're kind of like I had the claw grip a few times But I'm pretty used to it at this point The controller felt totally fine to me felt inspired by both the Xbox and PlayStation I was surprised about when I played it is not I liked it a lot I'm a big fan when I picked it up It felt super light yeah almost to six access level light where I was like oh wait a second And then when I started playing with it in the rumble and I was like oh, okay, it's fine Yeah, I didn't think about it right yeah exactly can you though use your Xbox one or dual shot for controller now So why even better? Founders pack right comes the regardless Solid you know the stadium controller has like those special sort of Never use that stuff but but the door was it was good in other words like yeah If you don't have to buy it I wouldn't because if you already have an Xbox you know controller or whatever then you're fine But if you are getting you shouldn't be concerned, you know, I think that's the good news But my last thing I was just gonna say it was something when I looked at moonlight again assuming I could play it wherever I want That's a type of game that I think you're not gonna have to worry about fidelity Oh, yeah I know what I'm gonna Lower frame because this was running at 60 frames and like that's another thing like I haven't played a game at 30 frames a second on this And so the encoding is gonna be twice as good and like maybe 30 frame games are a really good sweet spot You know like wow like it looks pretty much as good as switch and we don't know that yet But um, but that's where I'm excited to see where that stuff goes. Yeah, I can't wait I can't hide potential. Yeah, I want to get my hands on it in the real world and see what's all about Yeah, uh frame Andrea I need of course your destiny expertise because I have a question from the legend of Kanto All the other couple other ones, but first let's talk about our sponsor this episode of the kind of funny games gas is brought to you by Upstart as most of us have found out the hard way getting into debt is easy getting out as hard Especially if your FICO score isn't great thankfully now The legendary lending platform that knows you are more than just a credit score and offers a smarter interest rates to help you pay off high interest credit Card debt ladies and gentlemen I've talked about it before when I moved out here when I got divorced when I had a move to a Different place I didn't take on I was in a huge thing of debt it was a pain in the ass not the credit cards already had I wish this had existed upstart goes beyond the traditional FICO score when assessing your credit worthiness That's a reward you based on your education and job history in the form of a smarter interest rate upstart It leaves you more than a credit score They believe in you and they understand that they make it fast simple and easy to check the rate in just a few minutes without affecting your credit score The best part once the loan is approved most people get their funds the very next business day the next day people over 200,000 people have used upstart Dot-com to pay off credit cards student loans fun their wedding and make large purchases free yourself of the burden of high interest credit cards debt by consolidating everything into one monthly payment with upstart See why I'm starting ranked number one their category with over 300 businesses on trust pilot in hurry to upstart dot com Slash kind of funny to find out how low your upstart rate is checking your rate takes only a few minutes and won't affect your credit That's upstart dot com slash kind of funny.

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Hooker is in love with this game I thought that I would be more into it So I thought because it's a rhythm based game. I love using rhythm games rhythm genre games are right in my wheelhouse I absolutely needed to try this and the music is fantastic But I was just really struggling with getting a rhythm to the beat dude That's why I started a curve to the neck or dancer, and I was like it looked awesome great I got in there and I'm like I so rhythmically challenged that I just don't enjoy this Yeah, so thankfully the developers of this game put in a mode where you can turn off the beat matching for your character movement But the enemies attacks are still beat based and so you still need to be aware of the music They have like a little metronome style thing at the bottom of the screen So you can visually see it as well and you do a calibration before you begin to see like where your visual and audio System is set up. I would love to see Kevin try this. He's a Challenge This is a game built to destroy it You move using the d-pad somebody in the reddit for this game actually recommended mapping the buttons for movement to the buttons It's in the d-pad so you're tapping like up left down right to the beat Yeah, so it's easier because I started off using the sticks because I tried it on my pro controller and the game was like Hey, we see you're using the left thumbstick.

You probably shouldn't do that You're gonna find it really difficult to move But the enemies are really unique in the sense that they all are beat based and so they have certain tells for about when they're gonna attack At this one enemy will raise its arms before attacks one like squins one does this like raises its weapon You're dodging on beat you're dodging on beat you're attacking on beat everything is beat based and each different tile But you're in as you you know Legend of Zelda style you're moving through you see these different tiles of the map open and the music will change depending on what enemies are around And if you clear all the enemies from a tile the music slows down you can move around freely But you can also like I said just turn that movement beat matching off altogether move around freely But again, the enemies are still going to move and enemies only move when you move and so it really is this choreographed dance of sorts To be able to attack and clue the enemies they have dungeons in the game Which is kind of me They're obviously much smaller than your traditional Zelda dungeons are but I wanted to bring it up because I thought it was a really neat Style and more importantly, I think it's a fantastic example of Nintendo working with independent developer to take one of their most well-known beloved franchises and really trusting Trusting the team to do something really inventive with it And so if you liked crypto the knicker dancer at all or if you are interested in like classic Zelda top-down Exploration gameplay with this really cool beat mechanic definitely worth checking out cadence of Hyrule. Yeah, that's awesome. Good job, Andrew Yeah, sorry miss on the notes. That's right.

It's like a sad I got a destiny question. Oh, yeah You guys ready for it's ready. There's other questions to turn it off. You hate this legend of can't go right in Depatrion.com slash kind of funny games says my question today pertains to destiny to more specifically its evolution now that Bungie is Independent from Activision as more hardcore destiny players friend Andrea Where would you like to see the franchise focus?

Well, would you guys prefer more focus on the story and game PvP customization? Etc. Also, would love to know as more peripheral fans that Andy and Greg are what their viewpoints are on the matter And if at this point there's anything they could do to get you guys back in you guys were talking earlier, right? You're doing some back in no me and I'm playing what you guys want going on But then even right now you were talking about something today.

I was playing the heroic version the menagerie and the whole Right, what the hell's that? Menagerie there's six-person match made activity. So it's other than the raid There's well in PvP. There's no six-person activities.

You can just hop in and shoot stuff and like habitat a fun That our PvE base Six player matchmaking is currently available in the crucible so exactly so non PvP It's one of the things you just go and shoot stuff with a bunch of other people at super chaotic It's actually a lot of fun pushing right now your weapons But they released a heroic mode of it Which you do have to find people to go in because it's so difficult They don't want you to be because they're essentially bringing in raid puzzle like mechanics into the menagerie But in a much smaller scale and so that you can do it in much shorter time frame because that's great knows sometimes raids take But but it's very short review of the road menagerie It was definitely difficult, but I got blessed to play with a very good team that I played with the testing community podcast team And they're really good so we blew through it the first time actually I feel like 75% of it The way that it works was almost felt similar because we were also all max life very powerful Yeah, it's for reference point by the way You are capped at 750 power right now But the as you go towards the end of this mode at 770 and that 20 light scale it hits you like a truck So you got to be super careful, which is a lot what they do with the raids on day one Anyway, it was a lot of fun, but the action the last boss they make it's such a bullets punch That's how they turn it into the rogue activity and frankly the rewards that you get you can get like a sword from it You also get a catalyst out of doing it and something else I'm forgetting you can we can it's called master working your weapons You can master work your drop that you get once a week. However, it's not curated I know I'm getting in the weeds guys, but like what you want is an awesome perfect role, right? But you're not guaranteed that it's just it might drop as a master work Which really you can spend money on anyway, it's sure since they would change the master work system and they I have yet to have anything Drop master work already. Yeah, I have not bothered master working anything You're constantly getting new gear the refresh of gear just as constant So like why spend the resources to master work and item then you have to constantly infuse it and then that cost even more money It's an economy from I have a huge problem with which is different I think what I personally would love from destiny is more story based content.

We've got the grinding We've got the pve we've got the pvp we've got you know raids and end-game content What we still are lacking is really meaningful Narrative based missions that are story based that really enhance the world of destiny that are in the game So I'm not having to chase a piece of lore here a piece of lore here a piece of lore here and then having to piece it together in menus It's being played out in cutscenes or with voiceover from these characters that we've come to love over the many years of destiny I really crave that experience and that's why I really enjoyed doing the heroic story missions every week because it brings me back to Something I think bungee does really well, which is make these really fantastic story missions that have meaningful Bits of lore, but they just always felt so disjointed and not really connected like it's never had like a true campaign Right like even in one four-second launch and everything was going down with like Kate or whatever It's just like it's still like okay You got to go here and then back to the tower and then you gotta go here and you gotta go talk to this vendor You know it doesn't feel like you're setting up and you can like sit down and play the story for like three or four hours at a time It's like you're playing it for like 20 minutes at a time instead. I mean that's why anthem suffer I think that's really hard to pull off But I know what you mean like it would be great to get I would say just like a standalone expansion set in the universe of destiny Like we're gonna make we're gonna make a first-person shooter standalone expansion in the world of destiny That doesn't have any of this other open-world stuff in it that just is like a short experience It's a lot legacy kind of a thing where you don't have to worry about going to the tower and picking up bounties and all that bullshit that We loved him too in destiny. I would think that would be fantastic Very different up but that would give me that's the answer And to be able to play it co-op a single player experience you want to play it with a fire team and that's the thing for Can't just question like what would get me back and I can't speak for Andy But like when Luke and the team did the stream right that was like hey Here's our coming up party. We're independent.

Here's where destiny's going all the stuff I was so impressed with them in the way they handled it and what they were talking about and the expansion of the cross-saving All that jazz I'm like I tweet it right like I'm not to play destiny Like that sounds like fun in the way they were talking about the new stuff that you'll be able to jump on and go That seems like a great time and you guys can play with me I don't feel like I'm holding you back but you can bring me forward the problem I have with destiny having you know Laps since what I planted it December right after yeah So two years ago like I just don't even know what the hell's going on like to turn that back I was like DC inverse online when I turn it back on I have no idea what I should be doing So that no go ahead that's what they're trying to fix with shadow keep like you said we don't know the Exact but we know a lot it does sound like you know hop in you can skip a bunch of this story stuff or go back and play As long as you purchase it but that is definitely one of the gaps like if you go in now It's like wait what do I have to play okay? I gotta go here What do I have to buy to get this thing and it takes a lot of research or just asking your friends and I think if they can effectively remove that Bear you might might be in right because ideally what happens is you come back to destiny you Buy shadow keep in addition to the free version maybe you didn't play this stuff and you didn't buy it I just got chow keep fine So then you're all in on that and you can just start getting into the story and also your light level will be appropriate They've got a fix for that Yeah, seemingly you know They got these power surge systems as part of the quest where just bumps you up But the problem is right now to do those you actually have to still play the story content for before like I just ran into it My third character on my Titan who's not totally leveled and I went to grab thinking my power surge bounty And I like logged on and I was like wait where my drops because what happens is you do it I want character and it drops the yeah for you yeah I'll get stuff so I was looking at what's going on and then and I was looking I didn't play forsaken on this character yet But I'd literally have to spend like four to six hours doing that just to play the character in the car So that's the stuff that I think if they can fix they're gonna fix it for you guys You just hop in what were you back anything? I mean I plan on coming back for shadow keep only because whenever there's a I feel like I always come back to destiny whenever There's sort of this big refresh where you know destiny one came out I was all on this and want to play the shit out of it Even though it was like really really grindy I don't play I think I play a lot of destiny like when it comes out And when destiny two comes out and then when four seconds comes out But then I still I'm still not able to tell when destiny is bad or good You know what I mean like I just I always enjoyed it while I'm playing it But then there's always I hear from the community that like oh yeah, it's up right now this and to me It's just like I'm just playing it. I guess you're having fun.

It's never bad Exactly exactly that's why yeah, so I I feel like I come back to destiny whenever there's a giant sort of refresh when they are They're kind of saying alright guys. We're you know, you could start here This is a great time to jump back in a destiny whenever that big refresh happens That's when I feel like I am a lot more sort of yeah I don't know I'm willing to jump back in yeah, yeah I know we're short on time so to answer the question one was I agree with Andrew They could do better with the story everybody wants that knows that we want more cinematic absolutely But the biggest stuff for me they've been doing a little bit of which is dropping content like we saw with forsaken But they dropped just amazing news strikes and like story based content worlds to play and basically then they had these things called Senate challenges They were way to like it was the black and white world so to speak where you hopped in and did these challenges that weren't just Gunning down people they had puzzle elements to them So they added that to the game like I said they added the six person activity They now have these layers to play with that They're getting pretty good with I'd say as well as you want new weapon drops and all this other stuff and a new story to play But that's they just need to keep on that path and have enough of it because is when you're rapping his destiny play It's never enough you burn through the first part and then what happens is you sink to the grind that's Andy where everybody starts complaining about All these little things that bother them and some people are like wait I just wait for 15 hours. It also just seemed like I never played when the off Expansions were going on like when you know I know that the person was sirens Yeah, a lot of those expansions I wasn't playing at the time so I never I feel like I never experienced destiny at its worst I want to say worse, but like I was pretty much destiny to and it's worse A lot of the the hardcore the hardcore or like yeah, this is not very good I was never in at those moments. I can never really you know judge it's any consolation it's the best it's been so far right now and It won best ongoing game at the GCA's which I was really impressed with yeah I'm really looking forward to shadow keep it has as much content as forsaken the raid was amazing for saying all the stuff It's a man So they just need to take some of these layers They already have and to finish the point I was gonna say I would like to see a little more like a strike every quarter a new one And a new PvP map has been a big issue and then also bring back trials of Osiris It's a super highly competitive 3d 3 mode Well, they turned it the 4v4 and it just got all broken but they can add all that back in but give you a little more content quarterly Yeah, they're still doing pretty good, but um they've had some hit or miss with it's last year They're on a really good track.

I want to retry my so I didn't play a whole lot of four-second. I'm just remembering that now like I'm Gosh the the gambit. Yeah, so was gambit. That was recently.

Yeah, that was part of the season You think about came at prime Fran. Oh, oh, oh, you're talking about regular game Right here. Oh, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're gonna play that Yeah, so I played a decent amount of four-second Not as much as just straight up to when destiny two came out or destiny one came out That's why I did about something a lot of it is changed so dramatic.

It is a really good spot and I'm excited about you You're almost there. The show's almost over. I'm so sweaty. I'm so sweaty The final question is from jdob 84 and requires you all to clear your mind So that everyone will get one pick we will start with Andrea and with me and then in this game test Jdob 84 says video game Mount Rushmore with a greater emphasis these days on elevating gaming personality such as creators producers Studio heads, etc It makes me wonder who you would put on video game Mount Rushmore than he does a whole bunch of things I'm not gonna put in your head.

Yeah, I'm my god. I'm clear head. You're the first one slam dunk Give me a slam of jam. Who would you put on the not rush more video game?

Yeah? Oh my gosh It's a clear mind exercise just shut it out. What are you saying? You are chiseling faces into the side of your mouth.

Oh, sorry. I think um Me a moto sign Yeah I'm so not ready at all me a motor was the easy one sure I'll go second. Go Jima. Okay.

There you go Don't pick another Japanese mail for the yeah, I know right Second all these like super iconic I know it's a big deal. Yeah, I mean I know that design and I know that it's kind of you want it all jdob healing way more He would eat more modern, but I don't I don't agree with the modern cuz we're not putting in love me Not what I should put yeah, yeah, I mean Ken is a genius. I don't think he belongs in the Mount Rushmore. That's rude to him I can't I literally can't I want to put me in my own I'm gonna agree.

I don't know why I'm usually think of just like Koji condo just cuz his music was yeah Okay, I really keep your time here's what you say what we end up with Greg we will be like judge by the people understand It's a clear your mind activity I think Bonnie would be in a nice nobody's watching anymore I Tetris Awesome Jdob went on to say me a motto and Kajima both seem like no brainers But who else would you put in those there's some great personality such as Phil Spencer gory barlog J Rayman, etc, but just wondering which five people you would elevate to this fictional monument. I think it goes on well beyond that I was looking at cases for so many people like Nolan Bushnell. That's absolutely back father like right now and like all this stuff Right like I mean like the list of her stuff and then yeah, when do you want to bring in a more modern person? I'd love to bring up on you right?

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