I, V, M. We all agree that the internet in its current form is indispensable to the way the world works, the way we entertain ourselves and so forth. It's too much to take back. Maybe entertainment we can take back.
But everything else, financial health, everything is too ingrained in everything. I'm trying to rewind my head to say 1990 where it was in such a nacency, there was so much skepticism around it, etc. And I could time travel like no, then in 1990 language, I could explain like what the internet really means. It's not about buying shoes online.
It's something a lot more than that. And maybe it's just that we don't have the vision to be able to see it right now. So what I'm really asking you is that you clearly have all V, M actually is clearly able to see what the world is going to look like in say 20, 40, at least with respect to the internet. Can you paint the picture of that for us?
What is the future and the promise that V, M is showing beyond sharing the wealth and all that? Because that to be seems like a very, very small use case. I have a feeling most people who use Twitter really don't want a part of Twitter ads money. They just want a platform to go put their thoughts, follow others and whatever.
So can you paint a little picture or is that again, is that too vague? But any sense of what that final utopia looks like, I think would help a lot of us. Yeah. So there are many like different schools of thought here.
Like you said, the initial, those 17, 18 year olds who started growing up during the COVID era, were sitting at home. They're happy being a remote work. They're like, I live in the metaverse. Again, this is a gross generalization.
But again, you can't live in the metaverse entirely. You still need to go to the toilet. You still need to eat. Yeah.
So that's there. And again, then there is the biology stream that was in the school of thought where again, I do trust biology has given it a lot of thought and I'm not yet read or questioned is working it. And he's like, we started creating our own companies. Then we started to be created our own currency.
We created our own communities and now we can create our own nation. And nation is not why geographic boundaries is going to be like all intellectual, maybe boundaries. I don't know how to say that, how else to put it. And then there is someone like me who is like, you know, not everything has to be decentralized.
The blockchain technology in itself has its efficiencies. Let me give you an example. Yeah, that's a very good point. Yeah.
So I'll give you an example of zoom versus this product called Huddle 01. I have seen Huddle. Yes, I have had one zero. Right.
I've seen it. Yeah. So Huddle works exactly like zoom. You can come in here, have this great video call and zoom is a pure web to product.
People love using people cannot live without zoom in today's world. If you can, let's say love using zoom. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. They can live without zoom. Right. The number of people zoom as enabled to create businesses, it's immense.
And Huddle is built on a peer to peer network and that being a better product, everybody automatically assumes it's going to be more inefficient because a blockchain and a peer to peer network, it's going to be slower. But if you look at Huddle today, it is faster than zoom has higher quality than zoom and has lower latency. Okay. And everything is better.
People will use Huddle 01. They are teachers using Huddle 01 in schools today. They don't care whether it's a vector. They don't care whether it's NFT.
They just care. It's a good product. It's what she gets at earlier. They just want to better experience.
They just want better experience. People just want better experience. So that's what it is. Right.
You're to solve problems. You're not here to create a cut. So that's it. Yeah.
Okay. I know you have a lot more to say, but I genuinely feel the victory community as people who could use same minds like yours. And with the pixel avatars who, you know, in a moment, that's not good. But anyway, that's the point.
Actually, Huddle 01 is a great example. So how does Huddle 01 then have all those qualities that you said of having low latency and all that without the money that zoom does without I'm assuming the servers that zoom has with AWS or whoever it is. So how is it technologically able to do that and to just from a regular person perspective, why should I switch over to Huddle 01? I mean, let's start from there.
Let's start from the and zoom versus Huddle 01 is a great use case. I think to start this experience. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
So let's talk about Huddle 01 first. Again, I don't know the absolute intricacies, but zoom in order for it to become zoom and for us to talk like this over zoom has to use like, I think, eight or 10 different services where they use AWS, you use like eight to 10 different services. And then all of them come together as what gives you that latency. Yeah.
But when you are using one network and one single protocol to communicate with one another, I think Huddle uses only about two or three different things coming in together and giving you that. So it's a lot more efficient and they're creating an entire protocol where it's not just Huddle 01 as a video conference. They've created a protocol to make peer to peer calling a lot easier. So anyone can come in and build a why, but they can come in and build a WhatsApp call.
You know, you can build peer to peer calling wallet to wallet calling or anything using Huddle's protocol. Sure. Yeah. Anybody can do that.
And another thing is Huddle's master stroke, in my opinion was they did not make it compulsory for you to have a wallet to come in. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
I tried to remember when they asked me met a mask, but I said, no, I don't want to do all that on. They said, you can just sign up over here. Yeah. Yeah.
So I can very, very good question, but I'm guessing this can be the next lap related to a lot of other users. How does Huddle make money in that case? Suppose we want to do our next recording like this and then we just want to use Huddle for free. How does Huddle make money that way?
So Huddle is not making any money right now. Their whole focus is to create that protocol. So once people start using the protocol, they can charge a small fee off of it, but they do not have permission to shut that up. Okay.
This is interesting. I think this is a small bit over there, which I think we will have to discuss, which is the whole money making part for Web3 thing. So, but I also see on the site something called token gating and all that. So could you talk about that a little bit one and two, I think whatever you said about Huddle 01 so far as being a great elevator pitch for this at Verdege and what's the chances we use the elevator pitch twice, it has simplified the recording.
My thing is see, why can't they just sell it as a better version of Zoom or do video calls with low latency, etc. My point is why give it the baggage that exists about Web3 because I open it right now and immediately like a Vectory native Zoom for DAOs. Like one that's complicated too, if I have, you know, Twitter, then both of these are reflex to me and I will want to use something say, you know, I consider safer or at least doesn't have a pixel in a monkey somewhere over there. So both of these questions are kind of like the same, but yeah, make it through it.
Yeah, it's a great question why Huddle 01 cannot be another Zoom. So how many video conferencing apps can you name after Zoom and Google name? Can you name five? I unfortunately know MS Teams but yeah, sure, but not more than five.
You can name five, like you can name the next five, right? So again, you see what's up, all doesn't, I'm assuming what's up or the accidental Instagram. Yeah, I get a point. Yeah, so if the market is concentrated, right, what they're planning to do is they have a larger vision in mind.
They're like, let's make communication decentralized like content delivery and communication can be decentralized. You don't need to depend on a geo working right now. This whole thing could just go down if one like geotower or something just stopped working or it could also be maybe the act fibernet or it could be something it would be anything maybe zoom going down or this stream. You are going down it would be anything but when you have like a peer to peer network, the chances of these happening are very, very low.
The points of failure are very, very low. Yeah. And once you create that protocol and many people come and start building these communication apps on top of it, that's how Huddle is going to make your money. Then other people start using that protocol.
But then the argument could be, hey, that centralized again, you know, it's like using it. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, that is. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. The beauty of protocols is that AWS somebody can just click a button and shut you down and protocols nobody can do that because you're governed by a set of rules that are on chain and when it's on chain, it's immutable. Those are the rules.
The CEO, I use cannot go and shut you down. But then again, it brings up a different point where maybe Isis could run their own podcast on it. Yeah. Yeah.
No, I mean, there are so many things. I mean, this entire conversation, I know, it's been very theoretical. The some things that we brought it to. But again, all these ethical regulatory questions, right?
Like, now, right at the beginning was branding about how Twitter has clicked Trump off and I genuinely did not know how to react to react to it. That's a good thing or a bad thing. Absolutely. Yeah.
So these kind of, and I'm not asking for a resolution for that right now, but these kind of questions will exist. Right? Yeah, Isis could host their own podcast. I mean, there could be all sorts of, but yeah, it's cases like it seems to me and this is me being extremely liberal with respect to what I see in every right now.
It seems that the best case scenario for VB3 is that some of the practices and some of the spirit of VB3 is imbibed and utilized, I guess, in what are web 2.0 Companies or apps today, is that sort of like one way of thinking? Oh, absolutely. So again, blockchain technology, it's not revolution on its own. It's slow.
So if you open the Indian government's website, you'll see the number of projects India's actually building on the blockchain building on the blockchain. Yeah, yeah. All these consultancies, all these consultancies like CTS, PCS, Accenture, all of these guys have separate blockchain departments that help their legacy clients migrate to blockchain, banking via blockchain. So there's not other blockchain as a technology, it's a solid concept, which has many, many bits.
And I guess one of the big mistakes that people make is conflating blockchain with cryptocurrency as a whole and describing the pros and cons of one to the other, which I think is separate episode by itself. Yeah, sorry, sorry, sorry. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. No, absolutely. I get it. But again, you don't get to decide the inflation rates in India, right?
Yeah. The central bank does and we're just at the brunt of it and it's affecting us and they want the circulation. See, everybody wants regulation, everybody wants power in their hands and everybody feels like they're doing good for the people. The opposite of that opposite of regulation is absolute entirely free markets.
Right. What happens with free markets? Maybe money laundering, terrorists getting a lot of money, they're getting funded, they're causing a lot of the problem in the world. There is no like fine balance.
We feel that we've achieved a fine balance by, you know, bringing in regulation, removing money laundering, all of this. But we have prevented free markets to a huge degree. Again, there are people who are in completely free markets. They are believers in absolute regulation.
Anybody in front of you, they love regulation. They are very palsy with them. If you go and ask Vijay Shikar Sharma, we have PDM, he may not like cryptocurrency. He's like, so it's very tricky.
Nobody knows what it's going to be. I think this is also another aspect, right? And coming back to that other point of solving every problem, so to speak. I mean, the thing is a lot of people are asking all of these fundamental and repeating all of these fundamental questions of a lot of three technologies.
While saying that, you know what, it falls down on this test. It falls down on that test or it does not answer so and so questions. The one thing I'd say is, I mean, I think there can be a space and I think that could be something where just there is an acknowledgement of the fact that this is not completed or resolved technology as yet. Right.
And the other aspect, even the existing monetary technological system that we have has so many fundamental flaws. Like for example, if you look at like that's what like Marien gave the example of Twitter banning Trump. Right. Like where you are saying on one hand, yes, I mean instinctively we all know it was the right thing to do.
But from a free speech point of view, it's a major problem. Right. And so that itself creates that dichotomy. So you can't, I mean, there are current technologies, the way current technologies, the way current monetary systems work, that are fundamental flaws that are very, very deep rooted.
And we have progressed with them. It's because humankind has worked with them for centuries and we know no other way. Right. Yeah.
So in my exactly, I was beautifully phrase because I was struggling to phrase a question in my head and I think you actually put it out there. I mean, just help me a little bit. It's almost like whenever we think of something revolutionary and there's no doubt that victory is something revolutionary. Like if a lot of people don't get it, then it's like it should be revolutionary.
The problem is we are always made down by what we know and use at the moment. Right. So when we think of victory, we're always thinking, ha, but we're already doing this. This is even though that there even though there are flaws, which is why a few questions that I asked you for what that utopia is.
And unfortunately there also your answer our discussion after that bent back to what we know about Web to right now in the form of Facebook, et cetera. And again, so here's where the three case observation help. Right. Like if you try to revamp the monetary system today, the fact is you're trying to revamp with the current monetary system.
All of us need to have. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Exactly. All of us need to still earn our salaries and all that by the time we decide what to do with the monetary system and we get to this. So an other kind of radical way of looking at this is scrap everything in terms of monetary systems and okay, if not monetary system, at least in terms of the internet right now. I've heard many people say that victory is closer to web one than it is to web two and web two.
I understand has just complicated the whole thing with a whole bunch of capitalism and few just a few decision makers and all that sort of thing. Let's try and other way to explain the utopia that that three venture is realistic. Web three back to say the seventies and eighties. Binsurf and Rob Khan had just come out with these the concept of TCP IP and it was as one point O as we could get.
Now assume that we had all the technology ability, whatever, in a couple of years, we have like all these machines. We have not maybe not eight of us, but whatever it is. From there is a possibility in utopia. So that we have in the benefit of hindsight saying, we dodged that Twitter bullet.
We lost that Instagram advertising bullet. We dodged this thing. So is that possible? Again, that's closer to an MCU sort of situation, but I see some movie on the sampling at some point.
I honestly don't know what utopia exactly looks like. But again, utopia for me would be a more efficient way of doing all the things I'm doing anyway. So let's say Twitter, I love Twitter. I'm on Twitter three hours a day.
But if there was a platform exactly like Twitter that would never ban me or what I write, I would go there and there is something called Farkaster and it's beautiful. And the way they are doing all of this is also quite amazing. They've built a very similar user experience to Twitter where there's the home button and the search bar. It's a very, very familiar experience and extremely high quality discussions are going on with it.
And initial Twitter days, if you were a beautiful day for you. Yeah, exactly. I'm not that. It's called Farkaster.
Yeah. So they're building a protocol for Twitter and then people can build more bigger social graphs using their social data. They can build better applications in the future. All of this is happening.
And if I were to give you a web to analogy of similar thing Skype was there. We all use Skype for way longer than we use zoom. Why are we using zoom? Zoom maybe to the business first approach saying that we all meetings should be like this.
And maybe Skype was not often enough. Right. So we slowly move to zoom and how many people use Skype? No, nobody uses it.
So I think it's also I mean very simply if you look at it this way is that why does anyone use any platform? It's because all the people they know are using it like primarily like there are these there are leaders. Okay. There are like technology leaders who moved to new platforms and who set them up and who have the potential of attracting like the later the earlier doctors and the middle adopters.
But the later doctors are all using it because everyone else is doing the same. So if someone sends me a zoom link I'm using zoom. It's not that I chose zoom over something else. In some cases, yes.
I mean say teams is really glitchy. So I'm using zoom instead. That is where because I've used both platforms. I know that teams it's better.
But it's not like I am a zoom fan boy. That's why I'm using it. Right. And so a moment a better platform that has lower latency that has fewer drops that allows for like like video drops and video drops and all that stuff.
You would definitely move to that platform. But only in the case that all the other people that you are interacting with on regular basis are there as well. Absolutely. And these are all small steps.
Right. We all have a college friends group and maybe we all catch up once a month. And there's this all this this one guy who says I said. Yeah.
Yeah. That's the platform you're using. Yeah. That's the platform you're using.
So imagine I'm that guy and I say, hey guys, I'm sending you this joint and I send a huddle. It's a lot of so and then maybe some six seven calls later. Everybody realizes it is a cool platform. Let me and the beauty of human behavior is everybody wants to be an early adopter means they want to show that they're an earlier.
Which is why WhatsApp groups like they want to be the first people to tell the news to the rest of the family or. So if I saw something cool, I want to go and tell my friends about it. And I use and there are all these people who love being away from the mainstream just because somebody likes doesn't be. But they like it's like so they're like people like that who also do.
Listen for a lot of products. So I think it will get there as soon as better products come out and for better products to come out. The infrastructure layer should be robust and it should be a lot more efficient, which it is not now. The only way it can become faster more efficient is when more validators are into the peer to peer network.
More people are coming into the peer network. And that's a catch 22. It's a slow as well as a catch 22 process because the network doesn't work as well because there are no more peers in it and more peers aren't coming. Because the network is not big enough.
So that's a catch 22 and that usually gets broken by either a large influencer who is like drawing a lot of people in a technological breakthrough of some magnitude that actually has brought a whole bunch of people in or some kind of like Zooms market share is completely over. So you have a large global event that actually pushes people into a certain thing. So, I mean, we are probably a major network failure or a massive privacy breach or some kind of massive event away from actually like going from thinking, Oh, that's a cute idea to really cap any to migrate my life to those technologies. Yeah.
But one thing that defies these things is the rise of Bitcoin. So when Bitcoin was originally proposed, it was just a paper and one really understood it from there to now people talking. There are things called there are people called Bitcoin. It's a little paper and people.
I don't understand. But there are people who feel that all, you know, everyone should have their money only in Bitcoin or only in cryptocurrency because, you know, the states cannot be trusted to because America is the biggest culprit. It's just printing money and everyone's worried about the hyperinflation phase because China, you know, the reason everything is cheap is because China is manufacturing a lot of stuff. Yeah.
And when that starts drying up for whatever reason, everyone has these huge statues of cash chasing fewer and fewer good is going to lead to hyperinflation and going to push out a lot of lot of people at the bottom of the pyramid. That's what people feel. Inflation and attacks on the poor, it just hurts poor people. Yeah.
So Bitcoin spread without really anyone doing it. But yeah, I guess it's spread because of the pandemic and because of all the stuff that will happen to the pandemic. I don't think Bitcoin was that high before the pre-the pandemic, right? It wasn't that expensive.
No, it was in 2019. There was a huge bull run in Bitcoin and Bitcoin is always for the whole number of reasons. And I think that itself is a little bit of a sore. Yeah.
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I saw some study recently that said that Vipri is one of the most sought-after skills on LinkedIn as well as one of the highest paying roles and all that. So fundamentally, what is it that somebody who is a Web3 developer do and how is it different from, I don't know, Web2 developer? Because if I am a marketing guy in a SOAP company and if I move over to an automobile company, yes, some nuances change about the industry and all that, but fundamentally, what I do doesn't change. So how does that change for in the case of Web2 to Web3?
And yeah, I guess what I'm trying to ask is what does Web3 developer do? Yeah, it's very, very interesting. So again, it's very similar to that marketing analogy, okay, the core motivators for a developer remain the same, but it is this Ex-pac that changes. So if you look at Python, Python and JavaScript, these are some very high-level languages that people can learn and you could virtually learn JavaScript in maybe a month or less, depending and maybe write your first piece of code.
But blockchain is a very, it's a deep tech, it's a very low-level language. And if somebody asked you to code and you uni-code, you asked 90% of the developers in the world today to write low-level code, they won't be able to. And since blockchain is a very low-level technology, you need to know low-level code, you need to know cryptography, you need to know all of this. But again, that is a very, that's an amazing skill set.
But then, Vitalik himself created a high-level language called Solidity, which made it easier for people to learn developers to come and start building on Ethereum, which was the master stream. And Solana uses a lower-level language called Rust, RUSD. And those are probably the highest-grade developers in the world, because it's a low-level language, very scarce resource to find somebody who knows Rust very well. And most of the time, I've seen people who are great Rust developers know the workings of a computer inside out, like from the hardware level to...
So I understand why they're in demand from a demand versus sub-light perspective. But I think my question is a little more fundamental. Can't you use tools like Python C++ etc. to solve to develop WebPri apps?
No, it's like speaking two different languages. It's not on the HTTPS protocol. You cannot build a straight-up WebPri. But again, the front-end of WebPri, since we are all using the HTTP protocols.
And it's the same, everybody's using JavaScript. Sometimes, it makes me wonder, we are so used to this graphical user interface that what happens behind it is actually completely mind-blowing and the fact that so many billions of people use the internet use these things so intuitively. It's a testament to the amount of work that has been done by countless people over the years that we don't even bother with questions like this. We don't know the people who created the best browsers.
One of them is a Vethri evangelist. So, sticking to this, what you said about Rust developers and all the other languages, as well as the rare languages, etc. So how do people learn? Suppose somebody is listening to this and actually wants to become a Vethri developer.
Are there institutes or do they just learn online and put it up on LinkedIn saying that they have managed to complete this CoCERA course and hence you should hire me. How does one actually do that? So, the beauty of Vethri is they don't care about your history. They don't care about your history.
You might have been the best Java developer there is, but that doesn't mean you'll be a great solidity to them. Because again, the language is different. Just because your English is good doesn't mean you mind-driven. It's that level of health.
So, they need proof of work for everything. Any Vethri company that, even the current incubator that I'm working for, they told me they never asked me what I'd not once did they ask me what I did before. Is it why Vethri? Why do you think this is going to change everything?
And what have you done to contribute to the community? Didn't ask you a single thermodynamics question. I think I'm good. Yeah.
Thank God. Yeah. So, that's what happened. And you always have to show your proof of work to get hired because you're paying a high amount.
You're paying maybe 100,000 dollars or 200,000 dollars per annum to somebody who just says I'm good at Java. No, you have to show what kind of apps you have built. And for this, you need the education layer which are coming to your question. How do I learn?
So, if you want to learn coding in Vethri specifically, there's this large online community called build space, which a lot of people go through. Anybody new to Vethri has been on build space. Even I went on build space, of course, due to my horrible coding knowledge, I could not even go through a build space, which is considered to be the easiest way to get into Vethri as a coder. I could not get through it.
And even after you finish build space, it doesn't mean that you're a good coder. You have to show something. You might have built a site project with somebody. You might have contributed to it out.
You might have hit something called a bug bounty. Find a bug in the protocol and we'll give you a number of tokens. So, you might have done a completed bug bounty. Another thing to do is open source contribution.
All of these major blockchains are all open source. So, maybe you made an open source contribution to one of the protocols that change its specifics. So, these are all good ways to show proof of work to get a job. But to learn, many different CBCs have come up.
Priti Kaciradi, who was a former partner at A16Z, runs something called the DAPcamp. And she promises the highest quality developers. Wow. Yeah.
So, she's running it on her own in the Bay Area. And I think it's a $300 CBC, but she says it's totally worth it. Almost everybody, she trains or has trained with the best developers from the top to the top. Yeah.
Just like how any successful CBC runs it, and she gets people jobs at the top protocols. So, that's another great way. But most people that I met were great developers, learned it on the other one. Now, the thorough absolute curiosity, go experiment, think about it on your GitHub, show your GitHub and get paid at the end of the day.
That's fascinating. And I mean, there are still just so many questions that are unanswered. But I guess that's kind of like the nature of this. I'll be honest, like this is like after a long time, like one of the most refreshing things, I mean, refreshing conversations I've had about every and like just the issue.
I mean, the fact that you didn't have an answer for a lot of things and okay saying that I think itself just put everything in a lot of these. But I guess, I mean, for all, you know, we should just make this an unknown. I don't think we could do a longer period. I think the way that these two technologies evolving.
And that's why, right? I mean, the thing is, what happened is, I mean, I remember our last conversation with Aclavya when we were talking about it, which was still during the bull run and everyone was talking about crypto and it was a major thing. And then suddenly like with the crypto crash, suddenly we became like, okay, yeah, this whole entire thing, crypto is a scam and everything. Everything gets heated with that conversation.
And I think that's what it's like, it's how attention spans kind of work nowadays. Like everything is like very short, evaluated on a short term and you're either like the goods or your bust. And I think that three is, I mean, as much as it was during the bull run, I think that three is here to stay and that three is here to kind of evolve and it'll be the place where the new technologies of the future are getting created and going to evolve in that way. And so that's where I feel like, it's something that you cannot, I mean, you probably cannot ignore just on where the where crypto is at, whether the market's down or up.
It's something that you keep like looking at and you have to keep evolving and keep figuring out whether this is the right solution for you as with all the technologies that you mentioned during this conversation. Well said, and I actually think that the crash strains as it may be, I have a feeling that this crypto crash might actually be the best thing to happen to victory in some sense. A lot of the other ideas. Yeah, in some sense, I have a feeling about any of the time you'll be drawing direct variables between the stock and the dot com crash of the early 2000s to the crypto crash of 2022, because that was also built up on the back of a lot of hype, a lot of money going in.
And then the crash came and the people who survived that crash, Amazon beat Google and all that, they ended up being the behemoths of today. And I have, I mean, it's kind of like, it's historically proven, right? Whichever company come during a crash, other guys who have solid business, what is their reason to get good quality employees, the VCs who will put their money behind those. So it's another matter now because of the nature of victory, whether you want those behemoths quote unquote to come up.
And I guess that's another story for our update in a few months time. I'll give you some good stats on this because I've seen what happened at the bull market in the bear market. So I joined the bear market was just starting and people just didn't know what went the bear market. Everybody was, you know, during that coinbase event that happened in India and I was at the coinbase event.
And the organization that I worked for is had held a demo day and we had like hundreds of applications coming in. And when I looked at the statistics, I was doing the data crunching to see what kind of projects are being built. About 16% of them actually had an MVP. Everything else was an idea.
And these at that time were just funding ideas. And we are doing a demo day tomorrow. And 92% of them have an MVP. It shows the majority of the VCs also.
Yeah, that's amazing. It actually just backs up with numbers. I'll just say that a while back. I'm gonna make sure this old Albert cartoon during the dot com.
Just a matter of a few months. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. I remember there's a cartoon where Volley decided he was going to become an internet entrepreneur. And he put his hair in a ponytail and he started throwing jargon around.
VCs came in and just gave him money not understanding what he did. And came in and said, you find it to be making two months and you burn through millions of dollars of cash and until you impress us with some more jargon about making money. So he says something like HTTP or something, he says, and then they go go and they give him an other million dollars. So it feels kind of like that.
But since we're in a really refreshing conversation, we never actually ended up talking about the networks. It is actually what led to this entire conversation. That has to be another episode. Yeah.
That's another episode which I think will be a very natural extension of this one. But yeah, thank you so much. And good luck with what it is that you are doing right now scripting in the chapter in internet history as it were. We never asked actually, what is it that you do and what is it that your company does?
So I work for an organization called Builders Drive where we are experimenting with community incubation for startups and equity. So there's like a network of mentors, there's a network of capital partners. We may be the quality filter and we're trying to do that in a scalable way and we're experimenting with the product. And to create more awareness and to be more out there, you need to put out research and that's what I handle.
So you could say research plus content marketing plus journalism. Yeah, very cool. That's a very nice intersection to be in for it. So that's about it.
So nothing, you know what to do. Yeah. So this is awesome. So I just want to say that stay safe, stay blockchain and stay simplified.
Somehow stay blockchain is not what give the wise that you are thinking it. That's fantastic. It's been fantastic. Nice to get you.