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Oh, welcome in. Friday, October 8th. The Fantasy Footballers in Cognito Edition. I feel like you're in a disguise today, Jason.
Because I've got the hat. I don't know. It's full down low. Is this a forehead problem?
No, this is a we were up late last night, did not shower this morning. And so I... You're a bit of a mystery. Are you hiding your face because all your players keep getting hurt?
Oh my goodness. If I could hide my team from the Reaper, I would. What you will not be able to hide is your spin later. Oh, it's a wheel of shame.
Oh, it's a wheel of shame. Jason, I'm not spinning the wheel. I'm not spinning it. I'm not spinning it.
That's true. I will spin it and you will... Yeah, see. You get all the benefits though.
That's right. I get the winnings. The winning. So much to talk about today.
We had a Thursday night football game on recap at News and Notes to talk about way too many injuries. Heading into the weekend with players like Christian McCaffrey Dalvin Cook. Joe Mixen. You could have them.
And last night we didn't have Chris Carson, so we'll talk about that, more of the fantasy forecasts, the matchups. And the wheel of shame will be spinning it. We'll be facing off again. Well, no, we.
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thankfully it turned around in the second half week we had a pretty exciting and to the game unfortunately part of that excitement was russell wilson you didn't see on the fall of the rule of a deep target to title of that just missed all holy crap i'll lock it was was five fifty seven but he had ten targets and could have had seven hundred he was so close to one just another monster game you're talking he had a touchdown in the first half that we i watched it was like oh no yeah and then called back yay he was so close to an absolute monster game but he was russell wilson on one of those targets on the fall through i think it was on he hit erin donald if i'm not mistaken and his finger uh... did not enjoy that that collision very much it's started looking wonky uh... they tried to pop it back into place but would not pop he he i think he came back in like came to the ball off but he after that we did not see him we saw jino smith you could see russell on the sidelines extremely disappointed now the update that we got from uh... from coach carol was it's a bad spring and we at this moment of recording we don't have further information that surgery is not off the table but he russell wilson is going to miss time at first time yes he's been an iron man but and it's and it's so unfortunate that's something that would seem so dumb he's like i heard my finger you know but yeah but this is the end of the time now he yeah where we saw like drew breeze not finger but you know when you have a hand injury can't throw the ball so unfortunately you have well seen better prepare for the future without you know what what does that do for your thoughts of dk macaf and telelock it is great wide receivers of jino smith is your quarterback look okay uh...
i mean it could have been that would be where it's you're not prepared for the backup and he just does things so a little bit differently than the starter but you know played well ten for seventeen uh... he he ran a little bit and like a touchdown pass the dk macaf he had a good size one to i think was uh... twenty or twenty plus yards it was it was a great past two so i'm not you you don't need to bail on these players you're going to adjust your expectations of course uh... more concerned for lock it yet that's fair because uh...
you know what makes russ special is these deep shots he takes all the time in the accuracy downfield and that's what lock it drives in and that caps going to be the point of target around the end zone he helps a backup quarterback being the size that he is a lot of has like that mind-melled with russell wilson where on scrambles they know where to go that's proof without russell wilson dk macaf is humongous and he's still humongous with whoever the quarterback is true darryl Henderson look great left the field for a little while which is when so much about the majority of his work michelle did come in for a two-hour touchdown break in the hearts of the darryl hinterson super game hope yeah but uh... hinterson look great i still agree you know whether it's you know he had a nice game but you can probably still trade for his real value and then uh... hey robert woods came to breakfast there we go it was a bit of an over correction here fourteen targets twelve for one fifty uh... and he had several play a couple plays that he was open on that you know staphrod missed him to of my guess with two targets i believe he was your final straw player on the spot i green room show so are you uh...
uh... back back i mean when you when you're talking to and jennison versus robert woods that was concluded this week uh... they force that him the ball kuber cops don't have with the seven for ninety two game that's fine on game you don't score in you know math is that for his disappointment i will say that he has been why also hurt his finger did it is inconsistent for a couple weeks missing some plays uh... miss kuber kappa couple of plays any other takeaways from this game it does not seem that will disney is a thing without gerald ever the last two weeks has been nothing no he does not look like the same player that's like the injuries caught up to him and i would say that alc's cons does appear to be the do anything special in this game fifteen for forty seven but he he had fifteen carries uh...
deja dallas had four uh... and outside of the two-minute drill you know how it's called still uh... you guys in the past in a little bit uh... so he would be the guy as expected should chris karsamis more time yes i guess only saving grace for russ is that there's ten days until the next match up and from what i understand that the best of talking about the surgery you know maybe it's not going to be as long term is is some are fearing uh...
like russ is the type that he's going to play in ten days he shouldn't be care of the heels quick it's it'll play poorly uh... you remember when he was out there in his mood oh yeah with all the injuries and he's is like not good for the team but still out there yeah could happen we'll find out more later this week and into next news and notes from around the league presented my sleeper well we found out shortly after yesterday's episode of the calvin really will not travel to london he is out this week wide receiver for the falcons personal matter won't play against the jets russell gage also is out so you're started week in calpets uh... is going to be very necessary cordial yeah and i i'm a throw the name out there again i i i do think mike davis is a fine play this week they have to be more involved in the run the match-up is good yeah i i'm starting to to uh... come around there to think i might have a sneaky and what uh...
you got uh... is that right of the cus to kiss yes we live in christian macafry practiced in limited fashion feels great has a chance to play sunday i am in the positive side of him playing believe will be out there jason just crossed both his fingers and his toes aj brown practice and full of the back yeah he's a go and people been asking me you know what i do with a j-brown and to me he's practicing for if he's on the field he's he's right back to where i would have him rinks normally a mid-level guy like sterling shepherd when he gets back out there all probably rest in a week of their is higher rest of your bench as he plays real football yes rest in my bench as he plays real football uh... you know because there is still a chance for his 100 re-aggravation with hamstring injury but when you're a star you like a different you do need to start when they come out this is going this game a place i can build your start of the week as marvin jones jr would you play marvin jones would go right back to the world a different don't mix of who you didn't practice i don't think he's gonna play jones and did not practice uh... not spotted early today right now looks like he's gonna miss the game the return to a limited practice he seems to be fine same with Antonio kibson down cook in practice on thursday it's gonna be down cook watch again and maybe the least fortunate situation possible which is active but not a hundred and i i think we have a decent chance to double cook is out this week like the plan to try lines i know that teams you can't overlook your opponent but madison it coach jimmer is has been talking about alan matter said uh...
as of recently they if they have the confidence in that he can carry the rushing attack against the the lions of a very inferior opponent then it for the long term of the season it would make sense to give down cook a week off unfortunately uh... christian kaffrey dot both early games this week so it'll make the decisions a little easier chase at once didn't practice their shoulder injury work on the side today's a big day to find out there's something really brewing there if this was just a you know as a small thing and then kind of a blindsided morning t j hockinson was limited on thursday and then the dollar of the lines be brighter they've percate reported that dand camel said hockinson has a chance to play what i mean we here's a thing we knew that he was you know limited participant uh... with the death of the designation and we saw this but nobody made it seem like it was uh... worrisome a serious thing possible missing a game but that's right for last night oh and now it's like a good he's got to work a chance to play now is this is this george kiddell chance to play like last week is this like a everyone has a chance to play is this a good chance i don't think it's that one mike you have to make plans you have to make plans uh...
and those plans hurts those plans are still yeah you're not you're not yeah i mean it for people uh... you know just that's big of you to admit that publicly that you might be earching i might be earching i would prefer to be conclining uh... and i prefer to be dand arlman conking uh... so dand Arnold zakerts tala conclin now fockinson uh...
you don't know what about all ricki seals do i would prefer to be fourth on the list which which you prefer to do the con con con con con con con con con is better than the seal i'd like to see on the list of the case by rose yet but this is the animal that's on is that's on still slice people fire fire that you wonder on just like if one of those ninety song for people might you know it was overrated no that's on the punchy right the fields that ever yes with that movies alright uh... nine heinsden practice jimmy jim practice george kiddell didn't practice elijah mitchell was limited and right now uh... it seems like maybe it's a trillance i think it would be yeah it does appear that that's i think we're late enough in the week uh... and the quote from shanham's talk about how jenny gropple has to be able to fully step into his throw uh...
uh... yeah those aren't inspiring words if russell is a fast healer jim jisley other he's a fast injury yes yes well said mike uh... the vontay parkers or hamstrings uh... come on the time decision for a player with an opportunity to watch the last man standing mike is it yep those two and then close your eyes and put them in your alright any other headline injury players that you want to talk about what the india blitz by castor uh...
by new podcast host methi that's all you know i would highlight is kurtis and you did not practice on thursday we talked about the win today they were just resting on yeah growing uh... this has been this is not a couple weeks thing this is going on six months so uh... just said also he is my drop for my time and pick up he's already set huge to drop in the morning the uh... the giant swiper seabers shepherd and slate they did not practice a Thursday so i would be moving forward with that they will be out in adjusting the rankings their integrity for limited again so he's at least on track that he could clear the country protocol i don't like saying i love it again this is the hot one of the highest over is the week the dallas new york game tony holiday yes ingram uh...
yeah i i don't think i'd play in he was on every one of the waivers that i looked at and uh... you would put him six i think i'll do alright this week me he has a plan his plan is to get targeted to not produce for fancy that's right uh... was so good at that man i don't know if there's ever been a player who has been targeted more and produce less for as long a period of time as evan ingram you know we say like uh... kyle pitso just trust the more predictable metrics with ingram just trust the lack of production results over process with them and i was today's news and i was brought to you by sleep with the leader in breaking news alerts which i'm right into the match-ups and uh...
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defense has to be avoided right now yet really when it comes to match ups you want to look at the extremes the people that get torched the people that give up nothing and then outside of that you know that there's good defenses and less good defenses but these are the fel teams they can score so i'm not i'm not fearful not binging jail and hurts or uh... davanta smith i think those two guys are people that have to be in your lineups miles is someone that i would prefer to bench until until we know either one of two things that the game plan is going to change or that's a predictable victory i still would confidently start miles and is unpredictable victory if if the game happens to be one where the eagles come out jump up on top and and ride to a victory i'll bet miles in top of the game but when they're down he does not seem to be as important to the offense into the system as you would hope he is especially because ken is getting well specializes in in those attributes yeah i think you summed it up well on the other side one of the other final straw players is robbie anderson eleven targets last week which was a lot more than what he saw in the first three weeks but i think i think i think i think i think i think i think he's back so i prefer to put him on the bench if i can i'd rather watch the final straw experiment from the bench but dj more is locked and loaded christian macafry if he's active no hesitation right now uh... if he's if he's active even if you get half of christian kaffrey it will be worth more than a full to the hubber to so he's in your lineup and i would start up to the uh... uh...
i never go to the so i would uh... i would start robbie anderson if christian macafry is inactive dallas got it uh... if if you're willing to play dallas got it you need to be willing to play zucards because they're the they're the same player they are they're opportunities are exactly the same it's a touchdown chance dallas got it is the superior player in my opinion athletic but that's not stopping them from sharing it's a it's very similar to what's going on in dallas with uh... blake jarwin adults cholts except we haven't had one of the titans separate when it comes to production the patriots one and three travel to take on the Houston Texans at one and three reading that is a bit shocking they're the same record the Texans much maligned and then the one that are second-year division that's not really that you make yourself like i just like i already knew i already knew the joke uh...
but yeah it is a laughable fact the dk sports book line drafting says it is minus nine on the road over under thirty nine and a half great news because the patrons are also second division yeah well uh... you don't play any i'm gonna say don't play texan including brandon cuck's one hundred percent of every week no i'm not playing brandon cuck's there's one thing bill bell check has always done this is historically statistically proven the number one weapon for a team has a nerfed game almost always against bill bell check the revenge game bro sh well breakers a lot of revenge games uh... maybe that's why he put it up so many numbers he's talented he could break along her revenge but i'm going to bet against this is a bad against Davis Mills i don't know that's a cash okay so you don't know what you play i play money i play rondell more i take a shot while i play a j green what about jujus minster against the denver broncos sure that one i would maybe like a injury i play could i play cook i don't want to completely like he's not a must bench julis not excited julan wattle against a bit of a definitely really yet julan wattle to be like thirteen targets okay is uh... involved you can't run on tampa bay you got to throw the ball and i would expect that uh...
yeah probably back and i would expect to see another five or fifty game from from cuck's it's not it's not saying that like he is going to goos or be worthless it's just i don't see him having a good game against the patreon and he could have a terrible because this is the best defense of match up of the year like going into a week match on's coming off his first multi-touchdown game damey and harris is a smash play this week at running back because the match up is delightful taxes given up twenty three point five fancy points opposing running backs and almost all of that's going to be damey and harris in this game and then jacobie mire so far he doesn't score but he's got a least eight catches in the last two games is a comfortable like what you play jacobie mire's over and cooks you know yeah for sure uh... jacobie mills last week at eighty seven total passing arts for the game the week prior one hundred sixty eight week prior one hundred and two this is yucky poo poo pants alright here's a fun fact the patriots have had a different leading receiver each game this year agalor then james white and kendrick borne jacobie mires all mac jones spread the ball around i mean it could be a killer this week but it probably won't be yet it could be bring a bolded johnny smith under henry well this is a statement is a problem on confidence level though it's highest with the inherent and then are you playing the tight ends they both score last week right yeah i'm not going to play the tight ends uh... i don't look the direction you know we talk about uh... how bad the offense has been for the use of texans the office is not been good for the new one patric and i put up a ton of yardage a ton of points uh...
it'll be nice this week you know it maybe maybe obviously the texans are good so if you want to take your shot but i all those other times i mean earlier i would rather play over uh... these two options scogel bears to take it on the three-in-one Las Vegas raiders drafting sports book line raiders minus five at home over under forty four and a half in this one just a few years we'll get the start now in forever in chicago their car he didn't have a great game that he did bounce back in the second half in my goodness state he was really close to another deep bond that would give him three touchdowns in that game so uh... i i i i like the raiders to win this one i don't think that the bears will get enough done without david montgomery to be their lynch pin of the offense david williams will get a lot of work but i don't have enough on the office of side of the body pass the raiders in the defense that's going to be very interesting to see what is this bears offense now that they are fully committed to just in fields will they change how they're running for the will they be formulated appropriately around the skill set of just in fields and what they do that that their superstar running back is not out there and i i imagine that will turn into some more running for just in fields i'm not there's other streamers that i prefer over just in fields this week but he is he's definitely on on a you should be paying attention watching seeing what he is doing but alan robinson and darndell muni against this rate of defense that is currently seventh against fancy wide receivers are you i guess you said you play with you said you play muni over uh... cooks but in general are you trying to find other options i i would personally be benching both of these guys if i have other options um...
you don't know what you're going to get in either player you saw you know a heavily targeted game to darndell muni but that's one game that is incredibly small sample size is also limited with a growing injury in practice today so muni might if money is out then i think you can you can confidently flex alan robinson uh... i but otherwise i don't want to start either of uh... you know that here's the tough part of the where we fight with enough of the season we've seen a couple of games and you've got to answer questions like jacobie muyers or alan robinson right which just seems so crazy and um... i think i would lean to go be muyers uh...
over alan rumpson in both of the rookie quarterback uh... situation but they're not equal and so far the wide receiver uh... position is not done well against the o the loss of a good rate of the mind they've played some great wide receivers it's not like uh... you know that the the raiders have just faced nobody's let me ask you a question like how this is kind of a temperature jack on dameen williams in the start potential you play in a book or darlin patterson against the jets who all that's a great question that what seems like secure volume for dameen over the guy that just keeps going to us in a plus match up without that without calvin really i i guess i'll play patterson there would be a house that he's over or or dameen will if uh...
scoring format will matter there i give it to ppr go to me or with a with with a little bit of it's yeah i'm gonna take a minute and that one for sure nice call lock it in i would take dameen williams over dameen here is this week as well by the way into a good givson you guys you can go back to the i'm going to be a great about his athleticism yes very strong and fast on the other side of the ball it you can't play edwards unfortunately the team is to not game plan for him in your own system dark roads always uh... hunter and frozen is just he's five catches every game he's she's about as safe as a ppr option can get not exciting not you know he's definitely not exciting but maybe if you're you're lying needs a little bit of balance and the but kind of the note i want to give here for the raiders is i think in drake should be stashed especially if you need a lot of tickets and we were seeing this a lot with you know the running back some of the firstly suffering injuries with a barber out with turf toe and josh jacobs has already been shaky this year i think that trick is a is someone that on ston sean more you should just throw on the back of your bench just in case anything jacobs will have a solid game this week uh... you have to type of a rate is when this game and you said you've got them when this game like to use the goes as does the drafting right so usually josh jacobs is a very good fancy option cleveland brown to three and one take on the los angeles charges of three and one the drafting sports with line charges minus two over under forty seven this is an exciting game i think uh... there is a uh...
defensive browns defense narrative for this game how solid they've been how they may stifle the charges but then there's the but just a minute outstanding yes seven touchdowns over the last two weeks keena now and mike williams are going to threaten any secondary and then jared coxman involved austin acclara the backfield is always a threat so do you have any hesitation on the charges of the ball staying in the flames with these offensive options simply because they're playing the browns who have been really good against opposing wide receivers you saw shut down to a degree i don't feel it completely in the japanese and slow down a little bit yeah i don't have an ounce of hesitation but i have completely different expectations there are uh... you know i i don't see a world where you're just gonna have forty points put on the on the board of mike williams and canada both dominate uh... but i can't fathom benching echol or kina now or mike williams those three are kind of they're out of luck you're gonna have good weeks and bad weeks ups and downs and right now they are you're gonna have all of it in your starting roster just manager expectations if you're going up against a great opponent and you've got you know mike williams there may be a new swing for the fences with your flax anything that they're mike it just if they're able to be kind of whole keen in mike williams and check is where you jacie what your cook you up you may have a tight end situation i don't know if you're cooking on our way to the list just but he is in our place if he was there would you pick up conklin or jared if he was there i'd be picking up jared kuk i'd i'd like i was player a way for hockinson uh... but you know he's he's been out there over half the snaps every single week the week before seventy two percent of snaps and he's gotten enough targets eight uh...
he had a down game two weeks ago and seven last week he's involved in the red zone i think kyuk is is a waiver wire guy that you should you know if he were on the waivers i'd be willing to play nichob always in your lineup but uh... his nfl numbers never matches fantasy production dream hunt leaves cleveland with a hundred twenty one receiving hours a season yeah i'd be there leading receiver i i i think one thing that can't be uh... dismissed here so good the the loss of charges yes as well this is a game where i'm curious i would imagine the line might have opened higher but this could be a defensive match up all of these teams defenses have uh... met and exceeded expectations so far this season yeah charges number two against opposing fantasy whiteouts disappointing game for back home baker was managing in his managing injury i did something very exciting yesterday on that's awesome i i took away a temptation in my life i have had ode elle becom jr at various points in the last two years and the names bill bears so much weight that i'm always tempted i have a hard time benching in games like this so i traded him away smart so i don't have to worry about it anymore uh...
and because i would have had out there again and i don't think it's gonna be a great week but you you look at the weapons they have right now you go how does back up not do something right i mean they don't have jobs landry and they're gonna need to throw the football to be fair to back up two weeks ago in his debut he looked great like the the player and he just missed his past week it's it's so bizarre how there's just how something is just not connected with baker and ode elle the giants take on the cowboys in dallas the drafting sportsbook line is calibos minus seven the overunders fifty two and a half points i think this is the match up that i'm the most excited about for this week uh... it'd be easy to say it's kansas city buffalo we just heard that that game i have some rain and a little bit rain a little bit rain as we say uh brooks you caught the halberts are reference under my breath he's down the freeway in your hot hot car but uh... daniel johnson's been better than advertised so far this year in terms of being able to move the offense and kenny golly is helped that equation and he's been better as well guderius tony had six catches for 78 yards last week say kwan barkley looks to be himself in the overtime win uh... ingrown looks to be himself yeah the same old same old but what are you doing decision-making wise on the giant side are you are you where i'm at where golliday is uh...
a start in tony is a kind of more of a desperation flex that's where i'm at i'd like i'd be i want in on this fifty two and a half points i know daniel jones is your start right yes i do i do yes here we go here we go with my grandchild and jones is the start of the week all right that is that is accurate and it's a division game and sometimes division games like promises they could be crazy we start last night with the uh the rams the seahawks going into halftime with ten points on the board but this is you got to trust the process of uh the bookmakers and they know what they're doing these are two offenses that can move two defenses that can give up points as well so i want you know this uh... wherever i can on the other side of the ball deck very efficiently for tashtians on only under 200 yards zik is locked into your lineup i will say this i could see you know i'm looking especially at the fs or or dart throws on my team like this could be a game where tony pauler gets the fourth quarter right like if if the cowboys take care of business they're at home they're heavily favored you could see 10 plus opportunities for pauler which you know he's been the yard spaker leader in football been very efficient i don't hate tony pauler this week yeah i mean if you want a matchup that you could play them in uh you know being heavily favored at home is is always is always nice i think you could maybe make an argument that it's the super high scoring games where maybe they're down where tony pauler might be more necessary that's what it sounds like because you view him as the scat back the satellite back but the reality is if you look at the routes run and how they're using zik that's not really just the case the case is not like that that that pauler is they're passing down's back and zik isn't so i would agree with you i think tony pauler could be a flex option in this he could it's he's it it's hard to get a grasp on on pauler when he will or will not go because you had the game against philadelphia where i mean it was 41 to 21 by the end but it was a shellacking and tony pauler only saw 12 opportunities in that game he's his opportunity since the week two explosions have actually gone down every week in in uh carries and targets and as far as amari cooper and cd lamb um cd lamb's been very disappointing the last two weeks they have not needed to throw the ball a lot this could be one of those games where that happens but i i think the passing game is great i think it's just the ebbs and flows of a normal season and i would take the combined you know cooper and lamb i would say we'll score more fantasy points this week than keena and mike williams so i would take this side based on these matchups so if you're fine starting those guys i think you should be absolutely fine starting cooper and lamb i agree i think this might be the bounce back week for cd lamb i like him uh to break out of this kind of two-week funk and uh hopefully the giants can compete enough to make that necessary because no the one thing we've learned this year is dallas they can run the football and if they are effective that way you may see a disappointing and uh performance from white outs or even deck breaking news not the fun kind but rob ronkowski is out oh i thought that was the breaking news that i just saw which was t hiccans is in which is the fun kind oh okay well we've we've brought balance to the force net neutral we are we are even we weren't really thinking wrong was back were we no and we were kind of thinking the hiccans was gonna play weren't we yeah so maybe that was just news but it broke live on the show right yeah i have wasn't news maybe it's just breaking just the breaking but it's just the breaking all right the 49ers two and two taking on the four right now here's on carter carnell's 26 and a half points how can we have it said there's other teams are four no but there aren't any uh the drafting sports machine carnell's minus four over under is 49 points you know what's what's been nice for uh here's on a sports is that when we're very prideful and boastful about our teams nothing ever goes wrong it works out to an oh and then you'll notice i'm not wearing an NBA champions hat i am wearing the we got there yeah uh carnell's four and oh 49ers two and two we talked earlier that uh you know it might be a trilance game he may get the start for the first time in his career Arizona is 5 1 and 1 and it's passed seven games against San Francisco it's something that i think is interesting they're at home um is that the new line brooks because i had seen five and a half yesterday is this line changed i believe it opened at six so it has moved to be it's carnell's minus four i wonder if that's with the trending towards lanes the very i don't know it's probably just people are taking the points so how do we see this game breaking down i think this is the bounce back game for dionry hopkins you do you had an injury limited game you had a jailer rams a game this is the game where i feel like uh hopkins is going to remind us why he was such a hydraf pick and uh so i'm expecting big things out of him in this match up san francisco secondary was starting josh norman a couple of weeks ago this is not they have not been as good as we've we've hoped or thought that they might be able to be and they've been pretty bad against opposing fantasy quarterbacks as well so i have great confidence in hopkins this week i don't ever really know who to have the most confidence in outside of hopkins when it comes to the other three and really it's the other two i don't know how easily we can throw rondell more into the equation but what you know is that there is there's a lot of fantasy production that will be had and shared across this wide receiver core and you are playing you're playing like 50-50 roulette because you know you're betting on green uh black or red here because um i don't think you know christian kirk i played him last week one target one reception five yards was still in the field for 72 percent of the snaps has half of his games great half of his games duds but because it just went the uh went to a green and went to a different player and i think it's going to continue to be rotating uh through the course of the season i don't believe that aj green or christian kirk or rondell more will fully entrench themselves as the clear cut every week number two target it's just who's open um i will say this chase edmunds if he doesn't play um the the shorter you know the slot guys might be a little bit more involved rondell more in christian kirk but what you're doing here i think you can start them i think you can start christian kirk um in a car aj green because you're taking a shot we talk about all the time all wide receivers are inconsistent so go with the ones who can actually have a really good game and i i think you know christian kirk has obviously shown two top 20 weeks one top 10 week already so if chase edmunds is always james conner automatically in oh yeah oh yeah 20 opportunities last week no question yeah he's he's a touchdown threat and he'll be the guy kylar he's locked into your lineup i agree with everything you said it's funny because as the aj green truther somebody where aj green said six targets in every game he's double digits three consecutive games i still i'm kind of looking to start somebody else because i don't think the ceiling is high enough like if you just need six targets and whatever that becomes with aj green that's fine like i'm playing marvin jones over him this week because i want ceiling the other side of the ball it's very difficult to project here 22 points is the implied point total for san francisco look at traleint starts you start him for fantasy over uh almost everybody would you start him over ryan tanhill jackson would you start him over sam donald against philadelphia yeah i don't think i'll say is you know first game jitters there is the the low the interception risk the fumble risk but because of how much he runs you're still gonna end up fine you're not gonna end up with juson fields game where it's three and seven points where he doesn't run the ball at all traleint will make a play in this game or two and you might be thinking to yourself well we talked about juson fields having that nice rushing baseline of security as well juson fields is a supreme athlete a great mobile quarterback but it's not in the same stratosphere as far as rushing production as traleint straight lands is much more of the lamar jackson kyla murray esk rushing volume but i i don't you know the cardels have been really really good on defense they're at home they've been great in their own building on defense historically ninth against quarterback tenth against running back second against tight ends look i don't have any prescription for the running back room in san francisco if alijah is active which it looks like he will be he's gonna split time not just with tracermen but with kyle yustec and i don't want to mess with any of them against erazon's defense of front that's distributing 18 points across multiple players in the running background yeah you got to let that shake out uh it's on the pants yeah like elijah it's this is one of the situations i'm benching him if he happens to have an explosive big game great i'm cool cool yeah moving forward now i have confidence to start him but first thing for tisco at traleint's great streaming option you got to stay in the in the flames with debo here and then if i'm here george kittle who is not practicing if he's if he plays you're you're not streaming off of the waiver wire over an active george kittle but that's it and you like brand new nyuk with traleint's no thank you no way tracermen debos obviously and yes yes yes he's he's the one i would play also thank you i i know al you've been really pining for more debo drops correct and do you start fulfilled now i do um he just wants that because he's on his fantasy team it doesn't that's not like playing like you don't have to knock on wood after you hit that every time with debo do you i mean apparently you do what it's not going to phrase it that you want debo drops that's that's not something i best for matt's william's we're gonna bring him up i wasn't gonna bring up max Williams but we can i was gonna bring up uh bairan murphy uh that is the corner back for there's no carl's who's been outstanding this year not been practicing there is a very good chance he does not know yeah there's a very good chance he doesn't play this week which would change oh no i was defense quite drastically i don't know that it would do enough for me to start i you can fact i know it would not know like i would not know no but it could do enough where he ends up with a decent game but be aware of uh that injury for whatever you want whatever you know for your if you're picking against the spread all right it's on a football okay yes buffalo bells three and one taking on the two and two chiefs drafting sports with line chiefs minus three over under is 56 that's what you like to see chiefs with almost uh what 30 points bills with 27 and yeah this is uh against the replay of what the AFC title game last year who are you sitting in this game that's the real question i mean me it's always been yeah that's good a good answer good answer well i'm glad with two straight top 20 weeks Jason uh you're definitely not sitting uh Clyde always i was doing the starts oh yeah yeah i mean he's back back hundred yard uh games i mean the bill's defense has been outstanding so it'll be really interesting um devon single terry is the only player that's kind of questionable that i might uh i might prefer to bench yeah single terry last week 15 he's had more than 12 opportunities every game is that intriguing i mean the defense does that change your opinion i guess because the defense has been so shoddy i mean the chiefs have got to be a bottom five defense in football yeah i'm not super into the single terry play uh all right i don't think i look at single terry and mozzlery differently from a recommendation standpoint i don't they've all been seeing tons of work yeah they they're they're mostly split i would just say zachmos has a little bit higher touchdown potential than yeah then josh alan's and stepon digs yep and annual sanders sure tairique yeah kelsey mhm dossin ox he's had yes i didn't vet it but i i read that he had more targets than beasley for three straight weeks or it targets or routes run that is why it was one of those yeah i mean cold beasley is it's very bizarre it's been a bizarre season because because beasley has been uh a reliable uh target hawk and because it was 13 week one but then dropped before 13 in week three back down to two it's it's been a strange ride here for beasley but dossin ox you got it with the tight end landscape you got to just ride this out a lot of points uh it will go up in this game and just hope knocks grabs touchdown it's gonna be a fun one all right our final match up Indianapolis Colts one and three taken on the Baltimore Ravens at three and one Monday night football the drafting sports book line Ravens minus six and a half over under his 45 i don't know if mike is even uh yeah i'm super happy that Lamar Jackson's on Monday night again oh okay so i can't wait to lose again well you will have lost by then yeah you're playing me i well i probably lost last night thank you dk mecha thank you dk mecha uh Lamar Jackson on Monday night i was i was referring to the fact that you're attached to the Ravens with Lamar and yet you despise them because of what happened to Tyson Williams that is accurate it's it's a very uh there's a lot of inner turmoil over here right over i like john harba and yet i'm very upset with him uh well yeah i mean you guys got to work it out right getting room together break it all down uh the Colts defense has been good against the run only given up 16 and a half fantasy points we know what to be litavious and friends um from the late 90s uh so are you confident enough with them the opportunities yes the game is for the tavious yeah he i mean 18 opportunities that's that's a number that we haven't seen you know from Baltimore Ravens but they look like they're they're gonna feature mary is there any reason to avoid Hollywood in this game where no just stay in the flames no i i would be starting Hollywood he he should have had just a string of great games in a row that is wildly amazing for the position at wider steve rick set for all the drops two weeks ago you you need to be starting uh Hollywood all right you know mark andrew's back to back to top 12 weeks no touchdowns on the season he's fine although staying back to top 12 weeks of tight end is not necessarily a real badge of honor from where you drop the mark andrew's yeah he's he's been good what's funny with with Andrews is he's currently the titan 10 and has no touchdowns and he's always thought of this as this very touchdown dependent tight end but he's been put up the yardage hundred and nine yards two weeks ago 67 yards last week obviously you're starting him if you've got him what about the other side jonathan tailors in your lineup without question but it gets shakier after that i mean michael pippin has been very involved he has not ended up in the end zone doing his best jacobie mire's impression so that means he's been outside of the top 33 or four weeks but 12 targets 12 targets eight targets i don't mind taking a shot at him in this game yeah he feels like somebody that like it it will hit for michael pippin it's he's a little bit of a you know for jacobie mire's the difference is michael pippin is six four two hundred twenty plus pounds like he is someone who i believe is he's he's turning into a number one wide receiver the after the week one like strangeness of the start the season for the cold 35 percent of the targets 33 25 percent like the targets are there he can make a big play happens i think it's it's only a matter of the only a matter of time it's not the best match up here against the Ravens but the volume says that pitman is a is a flex worthy player yeah flex worthy i would start him over brand and cooks which seems to be our barometer this week but i don't expect great things against a very good defense but he's still a trade for target because of the targets he's been receiving and if you look at their upcoming schedule they've got houston tinnessee the jets and the jacobie jaguars is four of their next five games so the breakout could be coming when you see this amount of targets he's played some difficult match ups and is about to have good ones i have to play courtland sutton against pittsburgh or michael pippin well we it does i do believe we got news that teddy britwater looks like he is um going to start this week so probably sutton would you play tylor boyed against the green bay packers or michael pippin i played pippin yeah i think i go pippin there by the way another update for you chase edmunds on the field for friday's practice so that is a good sign for those of you that have him and uh the bangles plan is to evaluate joe mixon saturday before determining his status so just add him to the pile of uh what cmc and dalvin cook and now joe mixon that are eugh still really nice to have them evaluate him on a saturday versus the game time decision where you have the night before if your waivers run at a certain time in the morning beforehand you don't have to it was at our request yeah thank you so they said sure uh don't forget the rankings if you need to help with start decisions you go to the website the fantasy footballer dot com without further ado let's jump into the face off fantasy face off presented by drafkangs now that the you're listening home on the podcast you don't get to see the graphic but the the visual graphic for the youtube side of fantasy face off it makes it appear like mike and i are the only ones facing off when it's always been a head-to-head competition but it does kind of seem like mike and i are facing off at this point it's like we were just you know trading who gets first and second yes so mike took it home this past week i was in second place mike rode his own recommendations with sam darndold and dj more and to victory and and of course then jason lost so thanks tramp's kelsey you suck travisy kelsey uh so without further ado it is time to spin the wheel wheel of shame i'm so excited how we're heading here i'm just i'm super excited i can't wait to see uh what i land on let's go arrive all right we have uh jester hat clavick oh no uh what is this no the nerd spinner hat okay all right this is good for hat day it is good for hat day for me so the producers are bringing around oh but they also have another accessory oh this isn't a punishment at all so so we have the jason has we have the beanie that fits real well oh this is a little bit and you got your lollie oh yeah so a week after you were a baby with a pacifier you have now grown up a little bit you got no i feel like you guys are teaching me you you gotta keep losing that fun over here so you got a lollipop and a spinner hat i feel like jason is wait did we take the plastic off yeah oh yeah it's ready to eat oh wait he's got a treat he gets a treat for the show okay and he is uh oh that's cool he's diving in uh okay so week five he's a little disturbing again the screenshots from these shows are wonderful week five into the face off we've all got a lineup uh mike and i can will compete for first once again so mike why don't you kick it off with your quarterback uh let me pull up i will kick it off with mike i'm gonna stay in the flames with jason herbert uh i know the match of thumb against cleveland but let's see what's this 6.8 so i feel like i'm saving there uh saving a few bucks on jason herbert and so uh that's where i'm going what flavor lollie is that this is classic lollipop flavored which is just sugar it just tastes sweet like sugar all right um my quarterback is jaylin hertz i wanted a russian baseline at seven thousand i he's kind of that in the middle price tag where i feel like in a cash game i'm going to get points i have upside don't break the bank but i'm not saving it to us again jaylin hertz right i'm riding the snake i'm putting the rookie in tray lance at 5700 uh against the arizona cardinals so if he doesn't start you've got to do a 5700 if he doesn't start i have uh i have a hundred dollars remaining in my salary and i would just i would move up to uh travel lance okay so that's so i do have the backup option but right now it's gonna be trilance i had running back i'm not i'm not playing one of these weeks right now without darikandry so me neither either all right well that darikandry doesn't matter all right and i've got the other one i'm gonna go with james robinson at six thousand uh jackson bill given him 20 plus opportunities two straight weeks and i've got linter for net at 5200 my name is the start of the week i've actually got him as well as my flex okay well uh i'll go with my other flex since it's a running back i went with my start of the week in damean williams okay i went with his price he was at 5600 okay i do not have williams who's your flex my flex is coderia stony uh he's super cheap 4k against that dallas i mentioned i want pieces of that game and that's a real cheap way to get exposure and your running backs were henry and for net for net okay i have tony so getting into the wider stevers i've got coderia stony the other two i have devontae adam's maybe you've heard of him and i'm going in tonyobrown uh at 5200 so out of the 8200 brown at 5200 tony at 4 000 i have an Antonio brown as well at 5200 um i am kabawaw wow man well we've got some cross over quarter back i went with jamaar chase at 5800 uh this is that's a good play i mean that that would really hurt if he uh you know stinks and hurts my lineup but um and i've got marvin jones junior at 5700 um against tennessee my wife sucker for marvin jones junior yep he's a lollie lollie for fuck roast uh the wider seamer position i'm sticking with my man dj more the price is going up but he is an absolute stud this year at 7500 i've got the auntie johnson against the dore brown coast just take that shirt uh ppr value at 6500 and i figured that somebody would have marvin jones and i'm so i went with the the budget version so cheap i'm going with laviscan all for 48 yeah 4800 against the tennessee titans i love that peter that's so affordable uh my tie-in and my defense for titan i'm actually taking a shot on john new smith at only 3300 okay i don't match up against you and then i'm gonna go on defense i don't know if you guys end up with the same one it's kind of the chalk pick of the week washington 2300 it's where i could save some money so i could spend up on devontae adam's elsewhere so those are my uh titan and likewise i do have washington at that price titan i went mike gesicki 4200 another affordable option but in a ppr league like drafkings you're gonna hopefully have a lot of volume his way we're both getting down with gesickness because i got him at 4200 as well that i mean especially now with the vante parker limited i mean that that's just that has increased the ossick as a solid game i went with the minnesota vikings at 3k against the detroit lions don't mind it lions giving up multiple sacks of game and the vikings rank very high in pressure rate okay well we'll be back next week someone's gonna be spinning that wheel and uh i think jason baby now he's a small kid next week i'll bring you some teenager theme and then you know moving out of lessons you can lose the whole year i did win the first week so i don't remember that no i don't it was when you lost honking now i'm starting to i'm sorry the place 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