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EPISODE · Mar 28, 2026 · 24 MIN

We're Still Here with Simon and Julie

from The John Fugelsang Podcast

In this episode of We're Still Here, John Fugelsang welcomes Indigenous advocates Simon Moya Smith and Julie Franciello to a dive deep into the troubling issue of identity appropriation, spotlighting the controversial case of former Border Patrol chief Greg Pavino, who falsely claimed Native American identity in a legal context. The conversation explores the broader implications of such appropriations, particularly in professional and legal settings, and the harm they cause to genuine Indigenous representation. The hosts discuss the absurdity of cultural capital and how individuals often exploit Indigenous identity for personal gain, while also addressing the historical context of such actions. They also highlight a recent inspiring victory for Indigenous rights at Brigham Young University, where student Jaron First Charger fought for his right to keep his cultural braids, emphasizing the significance of hair in Indigenous spiritual and cultural practices. Tune in for a thought-provoking discussion on the complexities of identity, representation, and the ongoing struggle for recognition and respect in today's society.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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