EPISODE · Jun 14, 2026 · 54 MIN
What climate comedians can teach us about storytelling
from Two Steps Forward — Sustainability Meets Business Reality · host Joel Makower and Solitaire Townsend
What can climate communicators learn from stand-up comedians? Quite a lot, it turns out. Joel Makower and Solitaire Townsend sit down with Stuart Goldsmith — climate comedian, podcaster, and Live at the Apollo veteran — and Esteban Gast, the Colombian-American comedian behind the Climate Comedy Cohort. They talk about performing for hostile rooms, the power of vulnerability, why hypocrisy is the best material, and why treating your audience like friends might be the most underrated tool in climate communications.
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