What do we want? When do we want it?

In this episode, Chelsea & David share a special panel recording from the 2025 National Symposium Unifying Anti-Racist Theory and Practice, bringing together Prof Gracelyn Smallwood, Dale Ruska, Uncle Coco Wharton and Senator Lidia Thorpe to share their responses to the question: “what do we want? And when do we want it?” This rich and far-ranging discussion also offers vital context for our next few episodes, which begin to look at Indigenous critical race theory in practice, and the importance of intellectual work that can confront the scale, urgency, and expansiveness of the war on race in the colony. Reading list Let’s Talk Black Knowing with Uncle Coco Wharton. With Chelsea Watego, David Singh, and Coco Wharton. Triple A Murri Country, October 25, 2024. https://triplea.org.au/lt-black-knowing-with-coco-wharton/. Gregoire, Paul. “The Burning Question of Sovereignty: Interview with IAPA Candidate Uncle Wayne Wharton.” Sydney Criminal Lawyers, April 16, 2025. https://www.sydneycriminallawyers.com.au/blog/the-burning-question-of-sovereignty-interview-with-iapa-candidate-uncle-wayne-wharton/. Smallwood, Gracelyn. Indigenist Critical Realism: Human Rights and First Australians’ Wellbeing. Routledge, 2015 Ruska, Dale, Donna Ruska, Ann Ferguson, et al. Stradbroke Island: Facilitating Change. Edited by Regina Ganter. Queensland Studies Centre, 1997. https://www.lidiathorpe.com/ Credits Recordings and Production: Some of the podcast materials are drawn from Triple A Murri Country’s Let’s Talk Black Politics and Black Knowing, recorded in the studio between 2023-2024, hosted by Professor Chelsea Watego and Dr David Singh in addition to excerpts from QUT Carumba Institute’s National Symposium Unifying Anti-racism Research and Practice, all of which were produced by Anna Carlson. Music: We wish to sincerely thank Matt Hsu’s Obscure Orchestra for granting permission for free use of ‘Live, Laugh, Decolonise’ and ‘Eat the World’ Production & Sound Design: BlakCast Productions Artwork: graphic by Rachel Apelt, Artbalm. This podcast was supported (partially) by the Australian Government through the Australian Research Council's Discovery Indigenous Projects funding scheme (project IN210100008). The views expressed herein are those of the presenters and are not necessarily those of the Australian Government or Australian Research Council.