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EPISODE · Jan 21, 2026 · 1H 5M

What Does Unity Really Cost?

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🎯 IN THIS EPISODE: What does spiritual unity really cost, and how do we steward it in the church? In this episode Tyler, Maron, and Barry welcome Aussie pastor Ken Kamau for a conversation about unity in the Spirit and what it takes to build it across cultures and churches. Ken shares his journey from Nairobi to Sydney, creative ministry strategies like free weddings, and his work revitalizing multicultural churches in Australia. We explore what spiritual unity requires—pride, comfort, exclusivity—and why unity is something we steward, not manufacture. Plus, hear about Grace Church's global partnerships, stories about mead-making, sports fandom, and the reality of navigating dissent in church community. Don't forget to check out the Grace Church app, and subscribe so you don't miss next week's episode! ⏰ TIMESTAMPS: 00:07 Introduction and Welcome 01:15 Ken's Background and Adjusting to U.S. Winter 05:26 Personal Updates and Hobbies 07:53 Sports Fandom and Family Stories 10:47 Ken's New Need for Reading Glasses 12:14 Ken's Family and Call to Ministry 16:44 Journey to Ministry in Sydney 19:08 Church Revitalization and Growth Strategies 22:16 Role with Baptist Association and Church Planting 24:10 Transition of Leadership at Earlwood 25:01 Sydney's Church Landscape and Revitalization 26:36 Challenges of Multicultural Ministry in Sydney 28:01 Building Unity Across Cultures and Churches 31:31 Ken's Current Role at Ryde Baptist Church 35:00 Grace Church's Partnership with Ken's Ministry 36:26 Transition to Sermon Discussion: Spirit of Unity 37:51 Examples of Spiritual Unity in Practice 44:11 Costs and Requirements of Spiritual Unity 47:31 Church Change, Maturity, and Cultural Adaptation 57:14 Navigating Dissent and Disunity 1:00:54 Stewarding Unity and Responding to Disunity 1:04:02 Where Do We Go Next & Sign Off 🎙️ ABOUT THE SHOW: Church services happen on weekends. And that's all well and good until we get to Mondays and find ourselves asking, "Now what?" Welcome to Between Sundays! Join hosts Tyler, Maron, and Barry every Wednesday as they hang out and catch up on the conversations, sermons, and culture of Grace Church. 🔔 Don't forget to hit that SUBSCRIBE button to watch new episodes every Wednesday

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