Run away, run away, run away from this place Run in the light, run in the light It's my life, it's my life, my life, my life Mm-hmm Mm-hmm Mm-hmm Mm-hmm Mm-hmm Mm-hmm Everyone, everyone, Flinko, what happened in the crowd? It must be your January end. It must be someone from the 1980s. I might as well go on press right like as a homie.
Maybe, you might as well open the show up? You guys cool if I open the show? Mm-hmm Sure, that's what we're doing. Welcome back to Impulse of the Number One Pac As in the World.
Thank you guys for listening, watching, viewing, subscribing. I'm eating waffles and eggs, as you can see here, I'm not gonna watch that, but I know it's Andre, not even on the monopod today. Are you all right? Yeah.
Tripod works. Okay cool, so here we are, we're back. Everything's going to be a little bit like a hot date tonight. What?
Okay, I get that deodorant actually. Yeah, but it's not all natural. It's fine. Actually, no, it's not fine.
You might have done what's a movement on your fucking face. I don't want that, not what the risk. I don't want that, not what the risk. I don't want aluminum, deodorant cancer.
So yeah, I got a hot date tonight with the other woman. Then we talked about it, you heard it on the last podcast. I can't talk to this girl. Like, you know, I do the normal girl is my age and under me, I gotta treat her like a woman, like a princess.
What do you do? What do you say to older women? Like, how are the kids today? I don't mean they always get a second to get away from the kids.
She probably wants to be stuck in my life. Maybe a little bit and rejuvenated. You know what I'm saying? Thank you.
Yeah, that's a lot of eggs. I need to check for a D for that. Four eggs? Four eggs?
Four eggs? That's like six. Hey, so I'm excited for that. I know that you did a podcast yesterday.
You want to add him to do is no jumper podcast with face banks. Are you stabbing us in the back? Hell no, bro. I was out there.
I can't tell you the amount of times I use the word impulsive. Oh, for real? You're pluck. Listen, I'm feeling isn't cross promoting a big deal in podcast.
Like you go on somebody's podcast talk about your podcast. But it is and you're saying if Logan had said that, you probably would have been like, yes, it is. He said sure he affirmed it. All right.
Cross promotion is a big deal. I'm a fan of what we do, how we do it. It's good, bro. Me, banks, Adam.
Yeah, it looks like it's getting views, dude. It's getting views. It just wasn't a lot of it. I wonder who's pulling the views.
You were banks. Definitely banks, bro. I don't know. I'm not because like, bro, you're kind of winning your channel that you just made.
It's kind of on fire. Like you get views and you're popping. I don't know how to say this. Yeah, but banks is like the OG.
I'm not discounting myself that much. But like I think it was the three of us together too because it was like three. Solid combo. He's coast, like just like Adam's from New Hampshire.
I'm from Connecticut, banks from low mass. So like the three of us together just talking about all these like crazy topics banks had a revelation about Tana Mongous. Yeah. Yeah Revelation about Tana Mongous.
I said yeah I didn't know if you heard me that had an intercourse Well, can you say that? Yeah, my brother's what the current thing I think had sex with face-based. It was a while back And I guess it was worth now. It's even yeah Not gonna make any I'm gonna make a single facial remark of any kind.
I'm gonna sit here just like this until the topic changes now Sure be invited to gas them. Yeah, let's do it. All right ladies and gentlemen We walked in extremely late and I'm so sorry for that today's guess is an acronym musician We start together in a movie where's the money on Netflix to be out on tour soon? And we seen the upcoming movie crowns be sick.
It's Devin work hyzer I know When you first got here you didn't have a beard I didn't know I'm so sorry scale of one to ten beyond So we don't matter you do like a eight fuck. I know I can tell professional He's a movie star. I know I get a movie with disrespectful. It is so bad when you can even do expect like Logan Paul was gonna break that That like controversial character that everyone thinks he's gonna be and then you come in you're like oh sorry Logan won't be here for another well four hours Yeah, no, I was like I was like oh cool.
I'm gonna see Logan like oh Nope, nope. I try to put you gonna make me wait I try to push the 1230 and then one and then but apparently you showed up at the original time and noon Yeah, I'm pretty punctual did fuck you are you are man And you know why I knew was bad because we did that movie together where's the money shocking bash I'm sorry Andrew bachelor and On the movie man. You're the coolest dude ever like you're awesome and then you walked in I walked in I was a ham So sorry like I'm in sitting here for a hour now. I was like oh no never seen you No, no never have me heated on the movie.
So sorry. We're here. We're here. We're doing it last night I was getting dinner and I saw someone wearing a maverick sweatshirt.
I'm not I'm curious what restaurant this was I was at del Campo on third street burger joints burger joints. I was getting a vegetarian Why not vegan but I like eggs and I'm hungry We know vegan ones that was full vegan he cared so much about animals I love the way you just raised that we cared so much about animals and like the health and like wellness of just like animal species And I know where he became a fucking scumbag Non-stop bro now all I think about is all those fucking dead chickens. It's actually the dude you're right Hey next time you think about talking just don't Hey, man. Hey, you were a vegan once and now you eat eggs.
I'm not here to judge you, you know respect You're working out. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yo. I was asking you this um I was disgusting Yeah, that was weird.
I had some juice in it's asking this bro because I wasn't sure if I was gonna put it in the intro or not Yeah, if I would have said some about next to declassify I say it a rabbit. It's all good for real Yeah, because like some some some was Nickelodeon, right? Yeah So I'm gonna be sorry to try to like stay away from it But how often is that like I think in your life? Dude, it's still the biggest thing that people know me from it's where the majority of my friends Fans at least started from so to try and like distance myself from it Just doesn't it doesn't make it's a part of you my life.
You've embraced it Yeah, it's a part of it was like three of the most fun years of my life and set me up for like half of the adventures and fun I've been on so people call me Ned like yeah, sure I'd love for You to know me for more than that but like if that's why you know me from cool. That's cool It was awesome That 12 year old me right there. This was an awesome show man. It was great It was great our show had like a genuine heart of wanting to help people like really amongst all the comedy and like zeniness Which was so fun to shoot.
Yeah, it genuinely had this message of like wanting to connect with the audience and say hey You're not alone. It's gonna be all right. We're gonna get through this together And I think that's what's carried and it's what I've noticed as I've gotten older with the fans like there's a genuine kind of love and respect for the show That's why what I don't listen. I'm like yeah, dude.
That's awesome. Like comment for for Nickelodeon shows or is that something that you were a part of introducing It was something that the creator of Ned Scott fella was like is all of his show like he just has this thing Yeah, I was gonna say cuz most shows they don't really maybe consider that all the time. No, no They just want to make you laugh and whatever. Yeah, you watch it.
That's cool. So you what I mean I know I did I walk with a bunch of value. Um, yeah, that's the idea and then in the last couple years It's been cool man cuz I've been going to colleges and giving talks. Oh, yeah, I've realized a couple years ago I'm like alright These kids still put me in this position of like give me advice and they're like and they're like half kidding But they're not they're like there's all these tweets every day of like can Ned make a new survival guy?
I don't know what I'm doing it also, but who does like who doesn't need advice? Who's gonna be like no please? I don't need your advice No, exactly So they they still like if they still want to see me as Ned and like ask me for things advice for their life I've kind of like embraced it now. I go to colleges and like talk to them about what I've been learning congrats.
You still talk to cookie Yeah, that's my homie. That's the only way that's down in Long Beach. We're making you wait a minute Yeah, well, I saw mainly his fault cuz he was there and we were doing it. Yeah, I got it And what about the girl what's her name?
That's Lindsey at most on the show Lindsey Lindsey Lindsey and I talk every now and then Yeah, Daniel just graduated Cal State Long Beach. He just got his degree That's a list where we're hosting this event that we were shooting for next incredible. Okay. Anybody go crazy Congratulations from the swag with that Drugs on who's pregnant?
Both Susie crackers had a kid. I mean she's great. She's on she's on the walking dead, but she's a kid now But she's a kid now, but she's like Surely someone ruined everything. I'm separated crab and grass.
She's on the walking dead. Oh, oh, dang She got a little baby now. I've seen her years. Oh, baby.
There's her killing zombies. What are these dude? That's fire. Yeah, I would you with a zombie apocalypse happened you Devon work.
All right, or like mentally not necessarily like Would you be alive or dead? Would you be all right? It was what's the attitude? What's your sentiment?
I'd be all right? Yeah, I'm a survivor man. No, I gotta plan I'll just wing it. I'm just gonna wing it.
I'm coming at your castle here. No, it's true. Yeah, and you did good We got spikes in the drive way to pass those I'm coming to this I'm a trap house. I asked because I've always felt like my whole life I've been bred for zombie apocalypse.
Yeah, my dad is Not quite like a weird bunker people but but close. Yeah, you're bunker at Jason. Yeah, like You know those people who have like a hundred thousand dollars with a food in a bunker. I do it's an insane way to live to me But maybe they know something we don't they make even crazier ones for like ultra rich people that are like super luxury Like bunkers yeah, like hot tubs.
Yeah elevators in the apocalypse. You want to be comfortable. Of course, bro I imagine this bro. Everyone you know is dead things are already bad enough You running low on food and now you have to take the fucking stairs because you're on the elevator in your bunker Like you some sort of fucking loser.
I love it all. You have to shower you can't soak in your hot tub That's what I'm saying. I'm not being some dystopian society. I want to be cleaner.
It's black and quite honestly disgusting Oh, okay, so everyone seems to be good. Yeah, no, no one no one went crazy No, it's a Nickelodeon thing though. It's just gonna success. We always just got a good head on their shoulders.
No Who went crazy on? Miranda Victor What happened to Alex Mac remember the show that I was like cream my generation so I'm for your generation Yeah, I'm a fucking you're an awesome. I'm a fossil dude, okay So I feel kind of like Alex Mac was like the Ned's she was able to turn in a puddles dude She's able to turn a person got a sudden slide under doors Definitely don't know I watched it. Yeah, I know wait So this was right around the time when Snick started was Snick still around I was like not even in kelle like not That's all what I watched but not what my show was on no And then like and then like there was a I even had a show called salute salut shorts of course and camp on wannos We hold you in our hearts.
Yeah, hey dude. Oh, I grew up on so much Nickelodeon. Um, are you afraid of the dark for sure? Are you so when you got the show?
I mean this is this is crazy man. Oh, it's life changer And you didn't did you come from acting background? Yeah, I mean I came from Georgia grew up in Georgia I started acting when I was like six or seven or something community theater and Came out to LA for a pilot season like my second pilot My second time in LA to audition for shows I booked nets So it was kind of fast and and it was amazing It also made me think that my whole life and career would go that way because it like Ned's like I booked a lead on a Nickelodeon Show we filmed for three years had all the success. It was amazing.
I thought after that I'm like oh it's nothing But up from here we're gonna cap real me you're gonna be hanging soon Not the case man why why not exactly why you're not Incling of like just being given movies no no, no, but you're good you're good and yeah by the way I was Worry about this when we went into our movie together. Yeah, where's the money? I was like I was interested to see because some some people just aren't good at acting where they like grow out of it for sure But you still were very good. Yeah, I mean that I'm just saying that no I know I'm good.
Yeah, I don't even get you tell me So what what what's the deal? What kind of not having the success after Ned's that I wanted um kind of forced me to Force me to try and see if I loved like the work of it the craft So I got into acting class and just started working my ass off because I realized oh I'm not gonna be handed this like I want to be I need to be good Yeah, so I got a bunch of classes and just like work my ass off for a long time and fell in love with What it is to act without having all the success? Which I think a lot of kid actors kind of fall off on and that's why a lot don't continue I get why so many kid actors don't transition into adulthood because that transition is long and painful There's so much not getting the attention that you got as a kid which feels weird Yeah, like grow up and take time for people to see you as an adult not a kid Like there's a lot of uncomfortability in that transition and a lot of people I get they just like tap out of that Yeah, that's really cool, but I stuck with it because I love it and there's other things that I do which help have you always loved it? Yeah, I really have yeah, I love it What do you like about acting cuz I think like especially coming from Ohio and not really being in the industry and then the kind of sort of getting into it The whole acting thing is definitely something that is really hard to wrap your mind around for the average person of where you're like literally pretending to be another person If you're acting right, you're not pretending you literally are in other verses.
Yeah I love a few things that I can like speak on one of the things but this is I feel like any craft For me to train to become a better actor it gives me insight into being a better like human into a better me There's like this weird symbiotic relationship where there's lessons I learned to be more real and more honest acting wise that actually helped me in My life be more authentic and kind of vice versa and I think that's any artistic craft It should bleed into who you are and into your life So I love that dynamic the other thing is being on sets is one of the most fun environments in the world Yeah, it's a hundred people 50 people a thousand people collaborating to tell this one made up playful even if it's dramatic It's play. It's this it's all these people collaborating on this story people who are different masters of their craft working together to fill out this puzzle that makes like one cohesive story that makes people feel Things it's a magical environment. I absolutely love being on sets. What about hurry up and wait?
There's a lot of that a lot of that there's a lot of that Logan, but it's not gonna be a podcast world. No, I'll be worried up and wait that bugs me No, there's tons of that even on set. They're like hey, you're here at 10am. Oh, sorry Yes, waiting which is kind of a obnoxious experience just like sitting yeah waiting But that's just that's just part of it You learn how to like I don't know bring books and entertain yourself and like be patient Yeah, services free food a lot of people yeah, it was weird being The older I get the weirder it is when I see kid actors now even though I was that Kid actors are the weirdest people man.
Why is that because they're not real? What do you mean what does that mean? They're 12 year olds who can talk to adults like fully who are talking to adults all day long? It's not what normal kids go through so the older I get even the cool kid actors I mean I'm like this it you're like a weird form of a kid.
I do know what you mean I do absolutely yeah, they're like 35. Yes. Yes, you have no life experience to be talking to me like this go away It's waggle away though like you're scared. No, I'm just like go don't talk to me Kids are weird in general.
Yes, it's not even just kid actors, but like we we found out recently that like babies are kind of strange Just like here we all are all sitting here in the set all of our heads are approximately similar sizes Then you've got these small humanoids that have not yet developed into full-body exos or endoskeleton No, they're little goobers. They're just little goobers a little dusty little run dusty runs just walking around not really on Sometimes not even walking they don't even know how to do those little weirdest ones I might imagine if you has to use a little bar to move around the crib bro Cuz you can't even stand up like Jill I love you as my sister and all but what did you do like the kid can't even walk? That's like almost a year old. That's how we come out.
We come out just not knowing anything And we got a Came out It seems like the kid actors you're talking about that they didn't come out empty either like I know exactly I know exactly you're talking about cuz they're just like I'm like why do you like acting why you like what you're doing? They're like well it really gives me the opportunity to open up and be who I am and be aligned with my true self I'm like you're for no you shouldn't be saying no exactly playing a block No exactly, but they don't even know they just heard that and have adopted it They don't even know what they're saying. I realize even me as a kid. I'm like looking back at me I'm like I thought I knew what I was talking about I was being authentic for the time Yeah, but like I didn't know anything that's why so many kids go crazy because really just being Kids including my brother, but he didn't go crazy.
No they the Disney kids go crazier because Because the Disney kids get more famous because their machine is more it's better the Disney machine is better at making fame I'm really and why is it they're just better at it? I wonder if I'm like marketing why I'm more money like it's just a better engine I'm gonna take a second. I love Jake Paul. I love Jake Paul.
I'm a jake ball. I'm a jake baller Like if people ask me like do I want to watch Logan's content? I watch Jake's content. I won't hear that.
Um, yeah Yeah, I think he's being facetious You're trying to cover that Are you trying to kiss and take while I'm a little round those eyes I think you're a whole I got 12 year olds coming at me left and right now, but uh come do their 12 So I am kidding You do legitimate acting sure you're your life. I act. Yeah, I know it sounds facetious But like uh when we did a movie with with batch and here here's King Batch this Internet star Yeah, like Internet star is there and beyond something is there some sort of wall that you put up or are you jaded about that synergy? I'm pretty open.
Yeah, so for like people who don't know yeah We filmed this movie wears the money like three years ago and it got made because of who you guys are and were yeah The whole reason that movie was happening was because the producers were like I want to get batch a movie Yeah, so I'm not mad about that do the whole reason I'm on that set is because the producers want to give batch a vehicle and you have vehicle like awesome Cool. I got a job because you guys um I was just I was just I was just open and neutrally curious as to like you guys are this new wave of creators and like famous kids and like you're in a different medium than I grew up in and so I was just curious of like What your work ethic would be on set what the vibe would be if you guys are gonna be douche back or not like where we know? No, no, dude. We had a great time.
I remember that. Yeah, you guys both like work your asses off I was so impressed by both of you in terms of we'd shoot, you know long long days We shot this movie super fast actually fast movie ever shot 50 days. It's same That's way too much. I forgot it Yeah, and then you guys would film all day and then make your like vlogs and like that would be up to like five I am every morning making his vlogs the work ethic it made me go.
Oh like it's no it's no wonder It's no secret you guys had the numbers that you have like oh you guys are hustling this like a full-time job And it also made me go because some part of me was like do I need to be doing that and then I watch you guys doing it? And I was like no, it's not for me really. Yeah, I don't want to hustle vlogs like that I feel that I was like oh That's what it takes to really grow that world. I don't want to work on the way a quick quick secret Yeah, some of the people that hustle vlogs like that They don't also logs like that right like they don't there's a lot of people that are like dude I have to make these daily vlogs otherwise I'm a loose-ups I'm right yeah in many ways it is sort of like a cheat code for success if you know how to do it right and a lot of people will It's the same thing for any success in any field Like we all think it's this secret of like genetics and talent and like God given something but like yes sure that but also Work ethic if you work the hardest and the most rhythmically at like just do it and love that Then you're gonna grow and that's what was cool It broke down any like seeing you guys on set honestly broke down any notion that I had that like the kids who are growing this Aren't working their asses off and aren't smart like you guys were hustling while shooting a movie.
Thank you Yeah, we had a conversation about a about work on this podcast yesterday and some kids that were watching the show or some people Thought we were making it seem like that the average jobs weren't okay. Oh, you're like working in nine to five Okay, do we do that on the show? Yeah, like do you feel like we do that at all? I know I don't want to say what's okay.
It's not okay I just like I would urge every viewer and listener to make sure they're doing what they want to be doing And also if you're not by the way after nine to five ends go home and do what you want to do Like you just said after we shot 12 14 hours a day. We go home and shoot. Yeah, it's like four hours not always the healthiest But we got the name acts. Yeah, remember we remember we ordered frozen yogurt I'll never forget because after two weeks of Logan ordering frozen yogurt for everyone post meeting it Like every day on set afterwards.
He was like oh shit like my bills like $500 I spent $2,000 on froyo for everyone Weird hours where they like charge Dude I I Yeah, yeah, so what's that is there a mental hump you have to get for sure what's that like um so so I'm so glad first of all I'm so glad I ran out of money. I'm so glad I didn't get the success I wanted to get when I wanted it because work dude I'm so glad I had to go work a regular job if I didn't have this time in my life I just wouldn't know as much I wouldn't understand myself or the world as much like I'm so happy I've had to get these regular jobs that being said there was definitely a mental hump of like just fear of like What does it mean for my future? What does it mean for my past success? What does it mean for the ego that I am of like what if someone recognizes me in the shop when I'm working and it happened?
That's fine like yeah, I'm working a job because I gotta pay bills because I live in a city like you know I mean I gotta pay my rent and I'm out of money. Yeah fuck The weirdest ones are when I see like now I'm pretty grounded at it's two years later The weirdest ones were when I would see like actors who I know so there was one There was one time at Equinox Terry Cruz who's in where's the money? I've known for years right who's like the nicest human he wouldn't know he wouldn't have judged me in any way for working my Front desk job at Equinox. I didn't say hi to him when he walked out like I had this moment of like oh that's Terry like I want to know and I just like didn't mind anything say hi It was like this moment of fear and kind of like internal failure of There we are Look at your fucking mustache Ham dude, that's horrifying.
I was drunk. I remember this I was hammered. Yeah, you were a mess We showed up super late the cool bus did I yeah, you did I'm always late Yeah, dude, we took the cool bus and I hopped off hammered with the mustache I was like yeah, and we got in the fake but you didn't say hi to Terry no I didn't say hi to Equinox man I had this I had this thing and then in my shop one time my friend Alexander Ludwig who's an actor I've known him for years since auditions and stuff and he came into my shop in Venice and no one else was in it It was him and his girlfriend and I was the only one working there So I had this moment of fear of like wanting to avoid saying hi to him because like he's coming off his history channel show Yeah, and here I am working my job. There is there was that like weird I don't I don't know what that it's bullshit because I honestly love where I work and I love that it gives me the stability of my income right now Like I love it and I love my bought like I genuinely love where I work um But I had this moment of like just like weirdness of wanting to be cooler or seen as more successful But because he was in there with his girlfriend and I'm the only one in there I just had to go say hi and he's the Alex is super fucking nice just like Terry so of course he wasn't Judge me.
It wasn't weird. It was just like was that man. Like how are you welcome back from Iceland? I'm working here Like it was all good.
Were you were you still grinding for acting roles like while you were doing that? I'm still working this job yesterday. I'm still what I'm hustling everything and this job Yeah, I guess I guess I'm just curious like what does it feel like to go back to a life where you have set work hours because a lot Of the people that do work those nine to fives. There is a sense of like freedom and comfort that exists after 5 p.m Yeah, that you lose when you live in LA and you're grinding sure by the way when you live in New York City and you're Grinding to I remember when I was working corporate and I would get out at five o'clock I would be like I don't really feel like looking at my phone till tomorrow Right and I would just go and go to the gym hang out with people or I would call my mom talk to her for a couple I thought there's nothing to do right and so like it's almost like I was it like to go back to a place where You know if you wanted to you knew your paycheck was coming Yeah, it was gonna happen whether you grind it harder or not because you're just gonna get the same check at work You go home at five o'clock you do whatever the fuck you are yeah I mean mine's still not normal.
It's still not a nine to five like it's it's three to four days a week Um and there's so much shit. I have to do after yeah, some days I just go home and pass out and chill but there's still so much other stuff. I'm hustling my music that acting just my life Yeah, so my schedule is still not normal when I first got the job man. It was crazy So my life like your life fell apart in a different way my life fell apart my life fell apart like three years ago in a pretty like my Parents started a divorce like three years ago that happened.
I ran out of money So I was working two jobs and doing a play at the same time This was like an eight month run where I was working two jobs for the first time I was out of money I was so stressed my parents were getting divorced my family's phone apart and I was doing this play and It was a really intense time in my life and then followed up with like a giant relationship coming to an end a girl I thought I would marry ended yeah, I remember like there's been so much breaking down in my life and if you just I don't know if you just don't Lose your shit during that time or lose it a little bit but like find out what can it teach me? What am I learning? What do I do now? How do I move forward now like it's actually been an amazing time in my life I feel stronger than ever and like I feel more me than ever but it came through like three years of a lot of breakdown Yeah, I've been saying what you just said verbatim for the past month I feel more me than I ever have in my life and I want to ask you when you I'm sure you had a moment during that Those tumultuous times when you felt like you were maybe not at rock bottom But there is definitely a bottom of some sort for sure.
What do you tell yourself or what do you do to get out of that? It's a lot of different things coming together and kind of waves of kind of starting to do better and then falling again, but To me, it's just got to start with like some base level belief that it's gonna change Yeah, and that I deserve a good life Like there's some base foundation of like this feels horrible right now and my whole identity is being rocked and like my family's falling apart and like It feels like the ground inside of me is fucking crumbling So it's just kind of like grounding in like okay It's gonna be gnarly for a while but it's gonna change and what can I do to support myself through this? I mean one of the things being working out honestly, I know you get that like fitness The word that you're looking for I think is because I can resonate with this a lot. What are you looking for is hope?
Yeah A little understanding that it'll be okay and sometimes it's so small I talk about this my book I remember when it was so small there's almost nothing left of that sliver of hope But as long as you could keep that little ember burning Yeah, and it can keep pushing you through those really hard times And I also say a lot if you can't you know you see all of us running around all the time people out there That's just running around running around running around like man. I wish I could run or I wish I could get a nine to five and walk Right even if you can't do those things and you just crawl yeah Like just pull your fucking self gio style through the bullshit and keep that piece of hope alive Yeah, there is not the reason I bring it up is because we lost a youtuber in our community Yesterday we're filming this now. We happened yesterday to suicide a guy named Edica and Clearly he had had had enough You know and that ember had gone out you know and that thought that things could get better would get better stop burning and Yeah, I mean that that kernel of hope is it is so important I mean, I don't I would never know how to teach that to somebody except for just to say keep it burning Yeah, I don't know how you teach it either Without like you need it's so many different it comes from so many different areas like my grounding was in my family Before my parents got their divorce like that was the place I would go to like reground when everything would feel insane and then that fell apart and then I went wow like what do I have to Grab myself in now. So it's finding what those things are for you and it's really sad and sucks when when people Don't have it anymore and they choose to go.
Yeah, I had a friend Commence suicide like eight years ago and it's brutal It's brutal to know that that happened it's brutal to know that they were in that place and all you want to do is be like How could I how could I help like I should why why didn't I call more? Why didn't I but like the truth is like there something in them, you know, yeah? Yeah, I hear that man. Yeah, the thing that you said that's just so important is like even for you I'm sure once your parents split you probably still had contact with with you Have the solid unit that you hope to have but yeah, I think I'll have them the biggest thing when I look back at Tough times of mine and other people have made it out of those struggles.
Yeah, some sort of network is oversource Or support system man, and so whenever I see someone like Edica It just it makes me think that he just didn't have that Yeah, like I can't imagine looking back at my life and thinking y'all what if I didn't have the family and friends that got me through it When I ran out of money like I saw how close like how easy it is for you to drop the ball on life And if I didn't have a support system like I saw the edge of like I'm out of money Like if I didn't have my mom to call on for a little bit of help my family like I saw the edge of like whoa This goes really south really quickly like mis-managing my money for just this little chunk of time where some bills came in that I wasn't expecting Wiped it all out like whoa if I don't have a support system right now I don't have my apartment. I'm on someone's couch like it starts to fall really quickly without a support system when you're like at that At that dire survival time So yeah, I was kind of is kind of wild to see and I'm glad that I have the support system the other most important thing to you I think is Not blaming and taking as much accountability and responsibility as Can we've been going at this mental health conversation with people that we truly love in this house over the past couple weeks and you're hitting Exact tenants of the conversation and even on the podcast recently Michael J. White said the same thing he said Oh, you were he was at the same exact thing nothing nothing changed for me either until I started sick He said he said he said he said he said will change until you go what can I do now? It's not blame it's not blaming yourself and saying I'm shit.
I caused all this bad stuff to happen. It's it's not fault It's responsibility to go. It's like well here. I am and I somehow Created this situation like I'm a part of this.
I made this happen What can I take accountability for and do moving forward that like helps me get off this and I'm curious to hear from you guys and Edit a situation like he posts this video and he is blaming himself. So I know it I think when we when things like this happen I think it's a time for us to reflect and like really ask ourselves like are we doing enough? Like do you think that situation is preventable? I know it's a really tough conversation.
I don't know if we want to go there But I think there's always more to be done, but I don't think suicide is ever fully preventable It's an option as a way out like this life is hard for everyone like and it is it's an option available to us It's an early one. It doesn't it's it's something that also doesn't get talked about a lot But I don't think it's ever fully preventable because you have you haven't Kevin heins Kevin Heinz. Kevin Heinz will say yes Yeah, yeah, so so he'll he'll say yes, it's a really good question Spencer. I am What actually instead of me speaking on our even like I love to know the audience So you guys are listening please comment below because this is something where it's I'm not sure there is like an answer No, there is no it's it's a conversation that has to be had as like a society and as people because the option is available I think what could help is it blows my mind.
We get taught we had taught math We get taught some weird form of history. We get taught all this bullshit in school. We don't get taught emotional intelligence Yeah, yeah seems weird to me because I'm gonna need to know how to identify and like Live with my emotions in a healthy responsible way more than I'll ever need to know the fucking treaty of 19 whatever Yeah, to that point I visited Finland and they have the best education system in the world and they have the happiest people in the world So it's super interesting how what you're saying is a hundred percent true like we live in this system Especially in America that is so focused on you need to memorize this you need to know this I did you guys have it where when you were in like elementary school you had teachers and you're not gonna be ready for middle school And then you have those teachers in middle school you're not gonna be ready for high school and then it's like this constant rat race that we Question to yeah, and then you live your life perpetually feeling like I'm not ready for the next step right Mindset that we promote in this country. So this meme is one viral right now 18 and I got my first $2,000 brandy line vine was like sick No, I was 19 I was in college my first year so $2,000.
I've never made that much money in my life never have to work again My mom calls she goes alright, so you know you have to file taxes on that I was going what do you mean? Taxes she goes we have to give like 30 to 50% away depending on how much you make I go mom I don't think I understand I just made $2,000. She's like I'm only and it's my money I just made myself government didn't do this video for me like I had an hour conversation with her and she was describing to me How you have to give the money that you just made to the government? I didn't know what fucking taxes were bro, and maybe I was a dumb kid But also I wasn't no but they could teach us that and I don't teach me about taxes and it's me I could fucking square dance with you right now and you knew all about you knew all about obtuse angles All about it's a cute equalateral all of them but yeah, yeah, it's good to get there shit Emotion intelligence classes would be yeah like teaching I think that can go a long way to preventing people from getting to this place where they Don't feel like they have a way out teach people how to like Meditate and take a pause in their emotions or like just teach them that like how to make the distinction between it's my fault And I am responsible.
Yeah, you know Do you think do you think this is like a like kind of fluffy LA talk or I don't because I can imagine if someone sat me down And they're like when I was young they're like we're gonna talk about your emotions, and I went home until my dad I was this class. I don't know what his reaction be I'm just not sure that's great Yeah, there's a whole People who wouldn't understand it but if you just bring it up generally like that like hey We're gonna talk about your emotions, but but it'd be so easy to connect to a high school class Hey, how many people feel like they're fucking worthless sometimes? You know like you bring it up in that how many people sometimes have emotions that they can't describe but they're being like overwhelmed by You know what I mean like you ask your way in and of course it's universal. We're all experiencing this So kids are open to that too kids are the thing is if you can supercharge a kid to be emotionally intelligent They're gonna take it home and actually like affect the family the family's gonna have to respond to it But what's happening is like you're so influenced by your parents and there's no support system at the school system Like the schools are like oh that's for the parents.
Yeah, nobody's owning The church now that's for the school right I think another big thing on the mental health is is this media that we live in It doesn't I mean it promotes anxiety and it promotes like Feedback that might not actually be landing so you have a ton of you you have a ton of followers, but maybe this guy did But that doesn't necessarily translate to actually feeling like you're worth something moving through your life Like you're worth it on here and you're worth it on here with all these strangers But it doesn't sometimes it does but it doesn't necessarily mean you're actually feeling like full like full or like I have value in my life Or I you know what I mean? Yeah, it's it's disconnected a little bit easy sort of sort of Because I've spoken on this before I feel very blessed and very fortunate to be able to have gotten to where I'm at and To me, you know the followers and the fans and the people I connect with when I post content It does mean something to me and it is very important in a way it is very validating to me I feel because like how great is it that I get to do what I love and people get to watch it and then enjoy it Like I've said this before if I just if I just made content and put it on I'm not sure I'm not really sure how long I would be doing that if it wasn't being received for sure You know for sure and and and there's that especially at the level that you have a solid fan base that you have a a relationship It's like a cyclical yeah, and that's awesome for so many kids Especially like these high school kids who see you or see me and they want this but like that's where it's dangerous If you want what Logan has and you're chasing it It's dangerous man because dangerous. I said this I did a Forbes interview, which is gonna be got I think the same day is this maybe earlier, but I said this if you want to be a contact creator or a youtuber Which by the way is the most desired job for sure? Don't do it because you want to be a youtuber make sure you're doing it because you love making videos Which I can always fall back and I happen I said this on Forbes I happen to love doing this thing that people love to consume right I just was blessed to be in that And otherwise it's almost like a chase you don't think but that like there's those memes with the thing over your head You're chasing like the dessert like you never get yeah And if you're chasing I think a lot of kids of course they see someone like you and they go I want that because then I won't feel so unseen.
I won't feel so worthless I won't feel so like shitty But if you're chasing it for that reason like it will always be this thing that you're chasing you won't find it Once you hit the fame you nobody like once you hit it It's not like it doesn't make everything easier. No, there's definitely you can build a great community with it And you can build a healthy relationship to it, but it does not make things easier I think that's one thing that I've been because I'm new to all this shit and being on the show and like relatively new to all The views and the content and so one thing that I've tried to do since I started racking up followers and using subscribers and all that shit is Portray a more Authentic Bella talked about this on the podcast hasn't heard yet to promote a more authentic person. Yes, I have very shitty days I have mental health problems. I have severe addiction to opiates at one point in life I have strained relationships with family members with it's not perfect Logan has done a good job over the past year plus of showing those Pieces of armor that are missing on his arm I think that's so important to show people yo We've worked really hard, but we are just like you we have the same kind of problems that you do So yeah getting famous making money like all that stuff It doesn't make everything better.
No, it's just the work at making those things better Just like you work together. Yeah, you have to work that too And what's weird with the fame too, and it's kind of what I saw happen with you is like We all need feedback in our lives And it's internal and it's external we need feedback for us to know if what we're doing is right like where to go how to learn and unless our Internal map is really strong, but it only gets strong by like doing this thing with external feedback It's like we need to listen to the world outside you get super famous for being a certain way and doing a certain thing All the feedback is positive, but it's not the most reliable source of feedback Yeah, it's especially for a young dude who doesn't who hasn't had a ton of life experience really like how you're putting this Yeah, success is not failure is better life experience than success truly It's better for you to learn and test your character and see who you are and so getting all that positive feedback like you were making Millions of dollars being a certain type of way and I watched it from the movie to you getting publicly exploded You had just started your like daily vlogs, okay? We were on the movie and you were one type away Yeah, no, I know and you started doing these daily vlogs Which was like this momentum and this energy and this like caricature you kind of became of yourself and you're getting all this feedback saying keep going Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I think it I think for you It had to take something pretty humiliating and intense and gnarly I can't even imagine what that's like For you to to break through that bubble of positive feedback like something had to stop you dude. You were a maniac Yeah, yeah, I know I was and I agree It was it was life telling me like stop right there kid before like you by the way like who knows you die something bad happens Yeah, someone yeah like and Chrissy Teigen actually before she flipped on me and rightfully so she actually took the same stance that you did It's she questioned it's the same audience that builds you up and builds you up and builds you up for doing being a moron Essentially eventually if you do something that doesn't fit in their agenda And by the way rightfully so because it is like a certain type of feedback in the experience and the way you absorb it and process it There's something to be said about the culture that is breeding the creators, you know Like you talk about this a lot like why why are we and I know the answer Why are we listening to music where it's cool to pop pills on the daily?
Yeah, well it fucking slaps and it's dope But is the message that great probably not yeah? I is it kids nowadays? I mean what is there's some statistic about opiates and in drugs and it's in Sentules and generations see and it's crazy. I think it's probably higher than it's ever been just because the current culture we're living in It's normal as it's normal as it's no I'm pretty careful about like I'm pretty selective about the music that I listen to and it's all of it the people you're around the music You listen to like it will become you will become that well I think it's your on a deeper level comes down to your subconscious mind like you're programming your subconscious mind and Your subconscious mind is different from your conscious mind So if you are telling your subconscious mind like you know what a lot of these songs have like doing drugs You know living like flip in a bag tumble it like all this stuff and you don't actually have that success And you're just living how these rappers are living or whatever you're living in this false reality And you're not gonna flip the bag all the time well You don't even have the resources to flip a bag to flip don't have a bag to flip like you're you're programming yourself Like you just gotta be careful you gotta be aware that's such a good point like how many people out there that you see like Just like all over their Instagrams like talking about bags that they're flipping and they don't have a bag You know I have a single fucking bag trust that anyone like flaunting about the bag of the car They just bought or unless they're like an a list of Liberty.
I can promise you it's not true exhibit a soldier boy I'm sorry this dude like a week before he got locked up is with sitting on like a orange McLaren next to a orange Lamborghini Ulus and I'm like brother you haven't made a hit songs since On God's green earth you think you're supporting the J-4 like there's real people out there that talk about this stuff and I think it's amazing I'm curious. Do you think that with the the new success that you're finding? Do you think this audience is different from the audience that you popped off from? Yeah, for sure because you lost a bunch of them first sure It's just that audience has grown up They're not they're not necessarily different people but it's a combination of new people and that audience has grown up Like you're not gonna be 14 years old and I mean the low gang for the rest of your life I've been doing vlogs for how long I mean three years so now the 14 year olds are 17 And they've gone through puberty and they like different things and they drink coffee now They're adults and so yeah, we've aged up our content and for sure.
I enjoy making content for my type of person I think it's just super interesting to me because it just when you look at what YouTube has done to the world You know and the fact that people are growing up and now they're still consuming content like TV is gone like Bro, oh my god, I'm so glad he brought this up watching TV I went to watch TV last night. We had the house in my room you did And I'm flipping through the channels and this is so foreign to me. Yeah, all the channels suck and commercial suck everything about it Socks and I'm like, oh my god. I can't I now know why this is dying.
Yeah, I'm dead Well, it's so obvious to me talk about this a lot too, and I want to make sure that we're kind of careful TV still represents the most consumed media for sure. It's by long shot. It's not even close. Okay, what are the settlements?
I hope I'll sum it up yet So but it's but it's called the gap is getting closer and the age of discrepancy younger people are way Go from five to 25 Back to TV to yeah, it's like Or I'm talking about Traditional cable homes fell to 76.4% from 80.4% and this is so that's the stat if you watch cable back in 2017 Yeah, so it's like 75 minutes. I'll be dropping. Yeah, it's dropping sure that's what was weird with like you guys like vine and YouTube stars was like I Was like at that last end of like Pre-social media Child actors and then all of a sudden there was the social media boom and then the like new media It was crazy to watch I also find interesting is now the kids who are on Nickelodeon the kid actors or Disney can Develop a following and have this other asset and completely new entity that you were able to have because social media Neds mist like Twitter by like I like this little chunk of time by like a year Maybe and every other kid who is on Nickelodeon just a little bit past us like all their numbers Just Like all these like were a little bit after ours and there like that's Missed it they all have such monetize Brother's chick this girl Olivia Rodrigo she was on my brother show Bizardvark Okay, and I think I met her and you know she was like 13 14 3000 followers right now. She's in the Disney machine.
She's got one point one million by the way this girl has insane talent Like she can sing to yeah, I wouldn't be sir. Hey mark my words right now. What year's a 2019 this girl could be like Grande type is in day a personality because she's cool mega talented But it was so interesting I remember meeting her for the first time and she has such a small following so down to earth And I'm looking at her and I'm like I know exactly what you're gonna become in the next five years It's crazy and a lot of it's gonna ruin you but it's already like she's already blossomed and developed and having that she can do so much with this Yes, I know and it's crazy. I just miss that dude Evan you were born like two years too early It's so weird but a lot of my life or my adolescent life has gone that way and in hindsight, I'm so glad dude Like I hate it then.
I'm like, oh my god Like all my contemporaries around me who I've known this whole time even kid actors are like rising in their numbers And they're getting new shows and they're getting new shows They're getting more like doing lifetime movies and shit and it was hard to watch and it still is at times like watching These kids that I know where I'm like I'm like I'm better than you Watching them be more successful, but I'm so glad it went that way because I was able to like sort of live my life and make mistakes Like you had to make this huge fuck up in front of so many people I was able to like have enough fame to have some something and make some money But enough anonymity to like go to music festivals and go to Burning Man and like have people not know who I am I live the best life I've been six years Six years in a row More sometimes No way how I'll be there early to build a camp and then I'll stay later I love what draws you to Burning Man So I went when I was 20 I went in 2011 and I just gotten out of this relationship And I was down with the relationship to be over but I was kind of like a little lost on like what is life now and my sister My older sister was like hey, let's go on a trip like let's do like you and me time You're homies and all of a sudden the trip turned into wait. Why don't we go to Burning Man? This was the last year you could buy tickets like the week before she's like why don't we go to Burning Man like our friend read it? He goes to Burning Man like let's go so we planned this trip and we went um Like at that time that's kind of just what like got me into I mean I've been to Coachella So I was like open to Burning Man I didn't know what I was getting myself into what was so what brought me back and what I love and what I'll forever be grateful for about that space is I think we're all self-aware people like you're aware of your dynamics socially So many people talk about social anxiety all that stuff that's being aware of how people are perceiving you and you get caught up with like Well, how do I do the best things where I'm received?
Well all that all that mental talk and mental awareness It just takes energy especially as an actor. I've been an actor since I was 10 years old I'm painfully self-aware in social situations My job is literally to go in a room audition and be judged like welcome judgment judge if I'm good enough Like that is emotionally and energetically taxing and So to be in that my whole life and then go to Burning Man and genuinely feel like oh Like that's not what's happening here. I'm gonna city and no one is judging in that way No one's playing no one's like marking my worth They're just here to see each other and have a good fucking time That started to die because now I have their same influencers are starting to ruin the plot I haven't been back in my house. I heard this massive because like listen you go to the plot everybody's out there Everybody's relaxing at one point like you weren't supposed to be taking any fucking photos You weren't supposed to be doing anything along lines of anything like that Now you've got the entire Victoria's so Secret supermodel squad out there taking pictures like I am flocking flaunting And they're like yo you're in my way of watching the burn right now The burn is happening.
You are standing there taking photos. I can't see the burn Yeah, the last time I went I There's no service in the desert absolutely zero and when I left I found out The one day I was there and we did manage to get a video up because we had my sister drive the footy three hours in and out of the camp to the nearest Why if I watched that vlog I hated it which was one day in Burning Man The single day yeah where it got the one where things went wrong. Yeah, okay. I probably hated you for it.
Why? So Well, that's what I want to talk about because I do want to attach you a little bit on But um Yeah, I got an email from the people at Burning Man And they told me they were gonna come and I can't find me and kick me out because I was filming And by the way like influencers in a way But probably are ruining like the sentiment of what to the first and true Burning Man is so so you can't you can't stop the change of culture Like I went in 2011 for my first time there's already burners who in 2011 are they've been going since since 1993 and this is not what it was. So it's always been changing. However, it tipped into the mainstream in like 2012, 2013.
It started being in Rolling Stone. It started being like, it tipped into the mainstream culture. People now know it. It used to not be like known at all.
That change, yeah, I don't think is the best because you go in now with having seen so many photos, having so many expectations of what it looks like, what it feels like you're there to get your photo. Like it's just changed the level of like when I went in, it was just discovery, dude. I saw we drove 12 hours from LA and all of a sudden we're driving through the middle of the desert. It's dark for three hours and all of a sudden I see these lights on the horizon in the middle of nowhere.
And it's like, oh, we're about to go into that for a week with no service. Like eight days we have all our own food and water. Like we're going to build shade. What is about to happen?
There was this level of like, whoa, I'm about to go into something. Playing devil's advocate to that. I think part of that's natural because, you know, like Burning Man is this community where there's no government. Have you been?
No, I really want to. But like similar to Venice and Santa Monica, there's this culture, you guys have been, you've seen it, it's very disconnected. And I think it can be a form of escapism. Or is it more connected?
Oh, for sure. It's literally to be a human. And that's the whole reason why you're not supposed to have phones and videos. Here's my problem.
The sanctity of Burning Man. And I will tell you, and I'm sure a burner will tell you, that your opinion on Burning Man is the last thing burners want to hear. That is just how, what kind of person doesn't want to hear it? I'm not saying me.
But what I'm saying is burners are historically against anything that ruins the sanctity of Burning Man. People that leave true. It's totally cool. I just want to say what's cool is Burning Man is a city of 70,000 people.
There is no one burner. Some people think it's all hippies. Nah, dude. The OG 15 year burners are like gnarly desert Madnax mechanics who were like into like cussing people out.
But it is a board. But it is a board. And they make decisions based on trying to keep out all of that bullshit. The shit that we all live with.
I think it's a space for that. But what I'm getting at is that there's a part of natural evolution where an idea as cool as Burning Man needs to make it to that general population. It's kind of like, yep. That's what I mean.
You've got to keep it in can't stop it. But eventually, it's less cool when everyone knows about it. And I don't mean that. I mean, it's genuinely like it's less easy to experience discovery there when you already have expectation about it.
Got you. Well, it's like, I guess I'm making the comparison to like yoga. Like, yoga is like booming right now. And there's a lot of people who are, you know, a lot of people are claiming they're bastardizing it because it's all about these fancy positions.
And let's show off. And that goes completely against the meaning of yoga. So it's kind of interesting how it has to make it to the world. Nike released their yoga line.
Like that's part of something that's going to happen. I don't think you can fight it. Yeah. Last thing I was going to say, I'm just going to blow it off.
My great conversation. No, I do. I agree. I'll talk about Burning Man for six hours.
So how many with this? My problem with Burning Man was I was, I'm not good at having nothing to do that isn't always benefiting. Maybe I don't want to see my career. That isn't maybe benefiting my life.
I found myself sleeping just the past the time because I had nothing to do. And sure, you go ride the bikes and you look at a sculpture and you go watch the thing. And then like, what? Like, now what?
That's so funny. It's like, but I think what the answer that is, like it's like somebody who can't read being at the library. Like you don't, you don't, you don't have a bind with the kind of things that happen at Burning Man, which is why they want to keep people like you out of Burning Man. Because they want people who appreciate the arts, the culture, the sights and the sound all by the way, I might be in the same boat as you.
I'm not, I don't want to bastardize you. I think that probably was. You definitely was. I love having eight days.
Well, now there's service out there, which I hate. There is. Yeah, do people are on their phones? It's ridiculous.
I'm like, I haven't been in two years. I put my shit down, which is another thing I learned. I threw it out. Like, you're gonna buy phone.
I turn my phone off and only use it for photos. I turn it on, I play mode the whole time. What I love, I love not having anything to do but exist for eight days. I don't know how liberating that is.
Just how liberating it is to not be in the mode that we're always in here, which is like, how do I keep my life progressing? Which is a great motif. I love it. I love it.
I love it. I love it. Being in that state. But going to Burning Man, we're like, I literally just get to wake up, like breathe, and go like, what do I want to do today?
I don't know. I'm going to walk that way and see what happens. Oh, and like Burning Man's full of, I know. Burning Man's full of, I don't know.
Or like, I'm gonna stumble upon a dance party or a phone party or a bar. Everything's free and gifted to Burning Man. I don't have to spend money. Like, I literally just get to walk and discover what my day is.
It's like my favorite place in the world for that. I get you not being able to turn off your little worker. Right? I have a problem.
It's deeply healing and like, I need it. I need for my soul to like shut off this like progress mind. Some of the time everybody needs that. I think we're seeing mental health become such a crisis and everybody's like, what?
What's going on? It's like, it's for that exact reason. If you can't unplug from your work, if you can't shut things off, like we know that. Like, neuroscience is proving this.
Like you have to shut off. I remember at one point, not too many years ago, if you weren't able to shut off from things, you knew that was a mental. Like for me, when I was a kid or even in my adult years, and I couldn't put the video games down or I couldn't stop watching movies, I'm like, this isn't good. Now I see people like Logan in some cases and people of his, you know, similar age group, they're like, no, I can't do that, but that's okay.
Like I'm grinding. You have to turn it off. If you can't turn your work off, life is not happening for you. You're not even living a life.
Bro, bro, bro. Do you understand what I'm even living a living a living? Sorry, sorry. I gave you this note in the van and you didn't take it.
No, no, no, no, no. I gave you these absolute concrete statements. Yeah, no, and that's like quite simply not true. It's part of a, but it's part of a balanced life for me, being able to like, turn off, not need to be this thing or not need to be my progress, but just like be just go out and sit there.
And you, I can do it in the woods. I bet you can. It's very easy. It's so odd to me.
And it's so good for your bandit. I like going on hikes for seven days and hike for seven days. Don't make some leave your phone. Like just for your, just it's different for everybody, right?
Like each of us have that thing that we can put hours into and be like, holy shit, that was only five minutes. So how was that? For me, it's the water. Like I've always told you that.
Like whatever. And the reason why I like it is because it's the one place that I could go and I'm floating on a raft. It's, for some reason, the water does something very calming to my nerves and I know it's water's proven to that. And like, that's and all kinds of stuff.
And people bring their dogs that have arthritis into the water and they feel better. When I'm in the water, I just feel more calm. And I can put my phone down and just relax. The thing with the thing that I love for just back to Burning Man is like, it's that and it's so much stress and intensity and works a lot.
Burning Man is work. Here's the other thing that people are missing and something that is hard to change within the culture, but it's gonna, it can ruin it is people who fly in and fly out, have an RV already there for them. Like for me, the release is I like, I go crazy the month before packing, renting a van, packing a van, like 3D Tetris with all this shit that we're gonna need to survive, getting there on no sleep, building a camp with sledgehammers and like my body after having no sleep, building this camp because we need it to survive to live in these intense ass conditions, building all that, falling asleep and then waking up and then being able to like, just drop it. That is so, like the way it's the best.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's exhausting and there's definitely, it's like a third experience. Yes. When you then after, yes.
I never, I never thought of it. Like that because I think there's been such a, a quick trajectory for me that I'm just now realizing now that you're saying it that like I may never experience a thing in the right way again. Like, yo, when I go to a music festival now, I call the music festival people that are putting it on. They say your artist band will be here, your luxury glamping, dome will be ready with castor mattresses in their conditioner.
I say, oh God, I hope I can fly private for this, but if I can't, I'm gonna have to fly in a condiment, Delta, but I fly there, the shit set up, my food's ready. And I'm like, oh, I wanna go to the show at the festival, everybody else is walking with their friends, I'm on a golf cart by myself. And then, yo, fuck you guys, I didn't realize. I'm just a whole bunch of people.
And then you all got a car. And then you really made it like, not even, but it's not even, but still enough to realize that it's starting to decay. And then you wanna know why you don't feel like connected at the experience or, you know what I mean? Like sometimes it's not making it the most luxury I've ever had.
Like do it as a real human and you'll actually get like rewarded cause some of it'll suck. Do we have more fun in GA and VIP at Coachella or in the artist backstage? Cause I know I have more fun. We're at the bar and VIP at the gym.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Going crazy. Yeah, for sure. There's some experiences we're doing VIPs.
Oh, and each other is one of them. We all have our hardest passes. We get to go back and use the air conditioning. Yeah, there's experiences where you're like, I'm not in GA today.
Yo, you should, you have a podcast? No. You should. You should.
You're really animated and wise and articulate. I think you'd be good if you had one. Okay, I'll do the Life Survival Guide podcast. That's awesome.
Just got, just got. By the way, we have a guy that can literally do it. You know, Brad has a whole team. You're on Logan's payroll.
It's great. Logan's gonna pay for my podcast. You heard it first. And if you named it that dude, I'm sure there'd be like a little viral spark.
All right. You don't do that. I'm doing it at these college talks. Like I'm doing it in person.
I just haven't done it on podcast, but this is what I'm just getting in the room. You're a really good guest. And we've been talking about a lot of things. You know a lot of a lot of things.
Listen to you saying, man, you also sing. I do. That's great. What you want to tour?
I'm not going to tour, but I'm opening for seal, right? Two shows. This is like a big break in my music life. I played my shop in January, which was 50 people.
And now I'm going to open two shows for seal at venues that are 2,500 people. Oh, congrats. Thanks, man. That's awesome.
Hey! We got the flossing lights now. I'm really excited. How does that happen?
My manager partnered with another manager, who managed to see us. So now I'm managed by a seals manager. I love you. My own Daniel, those are my managers.
And now some things are happening. And I have this new EP that I indie go-goed. And it's a good campaign. And now I have this new EP.
And I'm doing these shows. And I'm really pumped, man. That's awesome. What kind of music?
Sing a songwriter like my version of John Mayer, Jason Morav. Really? My thing with that. I want to hear some.
You want to hear it? Yeah, you want me to play song? I'm a guitar. I'm a guitar.
I'm a guitar. I'm a guitar. Awesome. That was awesome.
That was really good. Oh, good for seal. July 13th. Wow.
Had the by far the best I think music performance we've ever had on the show. I had the Blink 182 vibes on the intro and outro. It's got a lot of touches on some of those tones that we've been talking about. Mental health and just sticking with it.
Where can we download that song? It's not out yet. It's exclusive. It's exclusive.
It's exclusive. It's kind of a known sort of that. But I have a video for that. That'll be out probably by the end of the summer.
That is awesome. Thank you, man. I love the chords on that. And you can play with the hard dude.
You can see what don't you do. I think what I pulled from that is your life experience, all that shit that you went through, now giving you something to actually sing. If you didn't go through that, that song that you just played, went out the way it just did. Straight up.
That was powerful. That's awesome. Yeah. We got to go through stuff.
And that's where again, the success can actually isolate you from experiencing the things you need to experience to say something or actually connect with people if you're just built up since you're a kid. It's why I think it actors sometimes go crazy when they get older. They're not ready for the few things that go wrong. No, it's not.
They're built up and then all of a sudden they're like, who am I and where am I and what does it mean when it all comes down? Yeah. So think about all the like just right like, you know, I say regular, but like people who just go the traditional route go to college like think about all the people who go crazy going that route. Like it's not like we look at these kid actors and be like, Oh my God, they go crazy.
People saying that are just equally as crazy. So true because I think the bigger problem is that we are so sheltered and we are bred to fear failure. Like when someone like you or you make a mistake, like you're you don't want to talk to Terry Cruz or anybody that's coming in like we as a society breed this like you should fear failure. Like, Hey, you're getting a C you're a C student, you're a D student.
Like immediately we start to say, Oh my God, I'm not as good as somebody else. Like it sucks. And it's the best thing guys out there. If you can fill in those moments and not blame when you're experiencing failure, if you can go, I thought I was doing it right and I wasn't and like, Oh, what can I do now?
Yeah, just admitting it's the lesson just drop into it, man. You don't have to be perfect. There's a lot of value in this podcast. Hey, our audience is waking up.
Hey, wake up. One by one. We're waking up and a Weinstein, Eric Weinstein said it was because of the podcast world, like we are not traditional media. We don't have to answer.
We don't have to say the things that like parents want to hear. Yeah, it's kind of true. And it's long form. It's not these little sensitize like or sanitized like snippets.
It's one of the known crazy stat to prove what you're saying is 100% true. I just looked at that Fox News is the number one watched cable television show and Hannity it was one of the examples is it gets or got whenever it was airing an average of three million viewers. Hannity Hannity, which is their number one show. He's getting three million.
Three million. Think about that. Yeah, think about how many is what 20 million. This is getting a million.
We're communicating that. I think of how many millions of dollars they're spending on advertising and just placement that have cable and like all this infrastructure. We don't have to do any of that. We're getting a million people.
If we don't strictly speaking on like advertisements, if we don't reap the benefits of like the podcast base in the audience, like we should, I think we're definitely teeing it up for the next generation of podcasts. There's like what I mean, like exactly. Like what is the digital space of value for what it's worth. I'm just a couple of Fox.
Yeah, please. We can't get a non-forget about you guys. No spots. I know one very quick and I know he's trying to move, but the people that they talk to on Hannity are people that are locked into their beliefs.
They're at 40 to 60 years old, 78 years. We're talking to a million plus moldable. Yeah, it's a television program. It's a program.
It's a program. Like that is like design that person's there. You know, if they don't agree with what needs to be said, somebody else is going to come in that we don't have that. You don't have someone behind you saying, Hey, Logan, this is what you got to tell these kids and this is what we're going to sell them.
Yeah, it's nice. It's real nice. Hey, do you have any facts? We do segments on the show.
We have a segment called Faxx Dispensers. Hey, always usually comes with facts. Bring us some facts, bro. Bring us some fresh hot fancies.
It's crazy because I got it. So, I'm going to win. I'm going to have a side effect, please. I saw it go.
Brad's giving us the finger. Like, hold on one second. Maybe we just need to do the facts. Maybe both of you guys can say it.
Why are you going to say it? Three, two, one facts. Why don't we just say it from now? That's so much easier.
So San Francisco is that all that it was? Oh, it's got a little sparkle. It's got a little sparkle to it. So San Francisco becomes the first US city to ban e cigarettes.
Hey, all right, San Fran. No jewels allowed. No jewels. Jewels are 70% of the e-cigarette market.
Of course they are. So much money. Sucking these things down. Do you guys live on?
No, we don't have jewels. Jewel life is not welcome. It's not welcome. We're just like, we're pretty conscious here, dude.
Like, no respect. And more so, we just don't really like, I don't know. Girls, white girls love. Yeah, like, no nicotine.
It's not to be. White girls love jewels. Like, can you imagine how many sad white girls are in San Francisco? Wait, wait, wait, wait.
I don't understand. What's the stick with like, why do I smoke jewels? Okay, so vaporized. So, yeah, so, it doesn't contain the...
It doesn't contain the... It doesn't contain the tobacco. It doesn't contain the tobacco. This is the moral situation because a spokesperson...
What are you fucking moron? You're killing yourself. You're killing yourself. Well, please leave your lungs.
This is the debate. Is that a spokesperson from Jewel said, basically people are going to end up going back to tobacco. They're going to smoke tobacco if jewels aren't available or if e-cigarettes aren't available. And Jewel is 95% safer than smoking traditional cigarettes.
But the reason why they're banning it is because there's no long-term studies. It's completely legal for anybody to put an e-cigarette on the market right now. But think about how funny that is that they say that. Because e-cigarettes that they don't know the effects of are illegal.
But cigarettes, what you know, cause cancer. One hundred percent. We hands down. That's what they say too.
It's the most ridiculous thing I've ever had. That is stupid. Oh my God. That's not a conundrum.
Well, and Marlboro owns the majority of Jewel. I know. Really? Yeah, the tobacco industry owns the e-cigarettes.
Yeah, they just change the product and they're making all the money. So, come on guys, we can't wake up. I mean, the problem is like, even with marijuana being legalized, the problem is kids. If an adult wants to hit a jewel or whatever, but teenagers, you can't stop your brain as a teenager from doing something that you're addicted to or that feels good.
You're a teenager and your brain's still being molded. But you see all these people's vaping or smoking weed or fucking doing the jewels and you're like, yeah, it's the best. Yeah, yeah. I don't know.
Yeah, and there's no long-term study on that. I'm just always like, you know when they give you dairy classes in high school? Yeah, yeah. And a lot of kids were like, you're like, you're like stupid.