What If Failure Isn’t Real? Rethinking Outcomes and Growth

Welcome to Season 4 of It's In The Experience! This season, the podcast theme is "What's Up With..?" and each episode will dive deeper into a specific topic within Experiential Education. In the Season 4 premiere, host Sherry Bagley is joined by Matt Nannis, founder of PIVOTPoint WNC, for a conversation exploring the topic of  “failure as fiction.” Matt challenges the idea of failure as a fixed truth, describing it instead as a story people assign to outcomes and experiences. Together, they discuss how reframing those narratives can influence emotional responses, support self-regulation and co-regulation, and create greater space for empathy, reflection, and connection. Drawing from the world of experiential education, Matt explains how undesired outcomes often provide opportunities for resilience, curiosity, and growth, while the label of “failure” can reinforce feelings of inadequacy and narrow thinking. The conversation also explores practical approaches to shifting perspective, including recognizing personal narratives as optional and using language that separates identity from experience, ultimately helping facilitators and participants better understand growth and behavior over time.   It's in the Experience is produced by Association Briefings.