What if I'm not excited about the idea of going to heaven?

In this episode, Grace admits that she is nervous about the idea of heaven. Heaven often feels abstract, or even uncomfortable to imagine, and it's... forever. Drew suggests that lack of excitement might actually stem from a misunderstanding of what Heaven really is. To help them untangle it all, they’re joined by guest expert Matthew McCullough, author of Remember Heaven: Meditations on the World to Come for Life in the Meantime.Together, they explore how our assumptions about the afterlife shape the way we live now — and how a richer, more grounded vision of Heaven might actually make life on earth more meaningful. Whether you’ve secretly dreaded the idea of eternity or just never thought much about it, this conversation may give you a fresh (and surprisingly hopeful) perspective.Tune in and reconsider what Heaven might really be — and why it matters right now.