What now for IS fighters' families + quitting the Libs for 'Something Better'

A group of so-called 'ISIS brides' and their children have returned to Australia.There's been fierce debate about how to handle the cohort who have been living in refugee camps for years. We speak to a leading counter-terrorism expert about what their return could mean for national security.And just a few months ago, Charlotte Mortlock was a strong supporter of the Liberal Party and leading a network aimed at encouraging more women to join. Now she's trying to build a new party, says she has no hope for the Liberals. So what's changed? Listen now:01:09 - What happens now for 'ISIS brides' and children11:43 - Quitting the Liberals and starting a new political movementGuests: Ben Saul, United Nations Special Rapporteur on counter terrorism and human rightsCharlotte Mortlock, founder, Something BetterGet the whole story from hack:Follow us on Instagram and TikTokSubscribe to the hack podcastListen on the triple j app or on your radio live every weeknight at 5:30pm