What the IB gets right that most schools get wrong

Efficiency is often the enemy of real education. In an age of instant answers and AI shortcuts, we are tempted to prioritise the "output" over the "process." But intellectual growth requires friction; if we let robots do the heavy lifting in our classrooms, we aren’t innovating - we are simply making our students, and our systems, weaker.In this episode, Olli-Pekka Heinonen, Director General of the International Baccalaureate (IB), challenges the "top-down" approach to school reform. The discussion unpacks why classroom change cannot be imposed from above, why culture matters more than charisma, and why the most successful leaders in 2026 are those brave enough to "swim against the tide."This is a sharp, blunt conversation on what AI can do, what it must never be allowed to do, and why the future of education depends on building systems that are actually worthy of the teachers within them.Download, subscribe, and share the EdVance Podcast for conversations with the world's most influential education leaders.