What the Tabernacle Teaches Us About God's Presence

In this episode of Conversations, I talk about one of the biggest tensions in the modern church: we’ve become skilled at gathering crowds, building brands, and producing experiences—but many churches no longer know how to host the presence of God.Drawing from Exodus and the tabernacle as a blueprint for God’s presence, we walk through how church leadership has shifted from forming priests to creating consumers and spectators.The tabernacle was never just structure—it was formation, reverence, holiness, and proximity to God.We talk about:Why the modern church struggles with reverenceThe difference between crowds and priestsWhy God is near but never commonThe outer court: sacrifice and repentanceThe bronze laver: formation beyond forgivenessThe holy place: prayer, truth, and priestly leadershipThe Holy of Holies: presence stewardship and aweWhy performance-driven ministry cannot sustain spiritual depthHow the church can recover wonder, holiness, and intentionalityIf you’re a pastor, worship leader, church planter, or someone hungry for deeper intimacy with God, this conversation will challenge how you think about ministry, leadership, and hosting God’s presence.I send a free newsletter where I share honest thoughts on leadership, ministry, faith, and building something that actually lasts. Subscribe here: https://conversations-with-josh-andrew.beehiiv.com/🎙️ Editing & Production I use Descript to edit and produce this podcast. It makes audio and video editing simple, fast, and clean. 👉 https://descript.cello.so/5I4MealWKa2Get More Views & Subscribers on YouTube https://vidiq.com/joshnandrew/🔗 Connect with Josh Andrew Website: https://joshandrew.orgMore links: https://linktr.ee/Joshnandrew