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Oct 30, 2022 1 hr 6 min

When Can I Grab Without Asking #365

from Perverted Podcast Hosted by Count Boogie

Is there a time you can grab someone without asking? What is a CNC (Consensual Non Consent) play scene or dynamic? What type of negotiation do you need to make that work? Then Enygma and Boogie talk about the difference between getting a "hall pass" and ENM (Ethical Non-monogamy) Don't for get to WHIP THAT LIKE BUTTON! It really does help!! End show song is "Random"

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Nobody knows she puts on secret clothes and lies in the middle with her hands that behind the back Oh, that's not like a fun Saturday night. You know what that what you know, it sounds familiar. I can't place it That's Elvis Costello 13 steps lead down Stamps lead down what I fucking great. Okay, so I was driving back from Texas Yes, and I might have listened to music which I don't normally do so of course I was listening and I'm like holy shit that Elvis Costello song because then there's another lyric after putting out all the lyrics But then there's another lyric which is I cover up that bruise put on big leather shoes Oh, yeah, I think it's a tonight.

I'm drinking to myself or tonight I'm drinking to your health because I can't stand myself. It sounds like he's conflicted You know like she's kinky 13 steps lead down. I'm assuming it's that she's in the apartment below and she's kinky This is what I'm hoping I read all the lyrics and I couldn't understand them But this is what I'm hoping and when you're driving back hallucinating while you're driving from Texas I had three in the morning. These are the things you think about They're listening about Elvis Costello.

I would yeah Show you're about to hear it's for mature audiences only viewer discretion is advised That means you don't have to listen to it. But if you're curious here we go Hello and happy Halloween and welcome to pervert podcast this show where we explore the adventures of the kinky lifestyle sex and the human mind Recording on send caster thousands of miles apart, but not for long. I'm path girl. I am cow boogie and don't hold your breath back Girl, oh there we go Yet again, you know, it's me.

It's me. It's me girl But I think before we get into all of of my amazing things. Yes. I am back.

I'm in storage in Los Angeles I have traveled back from the land of Tejas. I couldn't handle it anymore And it was great. I beat the heat now. It's nice and cool I'm in storage in a sweater and living in the car, but but that's not what's important.

What's important is you dressed up Oh, yes, and went to a Halloween party last night Yes, and we want the details spare none I will spare none So yes me and our kinky tribe went down to a kinky Halloween party down at a hotel of all places It's very interesting to be walking in and all of our costumes with a wedding going on on one floor in a baby shower and another So we got plenty of I thought oh wow, especially one of the DMS I know he's this big tall six-foot-two guy and he's wearing a pink leather dress and it's just like oh What a great Halloween costume. Yeah, thank you sure So yeah, I got to do a nice scene with Doc last night put my put me on the cross and we started off with so The main point is also so my costume for the night was Velma from Scooby-Doo nice So a nice slutty Velma the horny one. Yeah the horny one To which Doc was absolutely thrilled because he had a huge crush as a child so he got to get out some of his childhood fantasies Nice So I kept the wig in the glasses and the the knee socks on with so I took over the rest of my costume So that was a nice kinky velma But we started with some other straps to warm up and then went to some floggers and that went wonderful rubber So late serrated flogger that I like and then started with a dragon to I have some gorgeous marks on my butt and thighs Oh, I just yeah I need to take pictures of them and finished off with a nice signal We've actually hit a lot of rooms actually throw it and like was able to hit around the front of my thighs even though it's on a cross so right Oh, yeah, very very nice. Oh look at you getting all whip whore now.

Yeah, I've become quite the whip whore The funny thing is there were two people dressed as Jesus last night and we were all laughing of alright Somebody needs to put Jesus on the cross and beat him It's but then one of the Jesus guys was beating up a girl and it's just like we're sitting there going to imagine Yeah, how do you like it? The meek shall inherit my cock you bitch. Yeah, actually one of our friends a couple that we know they did a cute couple costume Where one was a doctor the guy was a doctor and the girl did kinky operation So she like printed out like different kinky things and put them all over her body So she had a paddle on her arm and a nice on another and she was wearing a glowing nose So it looked like you know when you do operations like salad tongs with her and she had a big drawn out cock by her crotch So it was awesome So yeah, they went they won best couple and actually don't it's one for scary as caution He had this big tall Reaper costume. It was kind of awesome.

Oh, that's awesome So you guys had a great time and there was some shenanigans. Did you get some D later that night? Uh, yeah, actually got some D this morning the D this morning was kind of just more routine vanilla sex But he was over on Wednesday night or yeah, wait wait this one's better this morning was vanilla Wednesday afternoon We did a cock worship session. Oh, oh, yes.

Oh, yes So he was we were watching TV on the couch and whatever episode you're watching was done We were gonna go take a nap and I was like no, I'm not gonna take a nap So I started grabbing his crotch and just pulled down his shorts and just went to town on his cock and just Just cock worship for me doesn't matter if you're hard or soft But it's just I was just getting so dripping wet from sucking off on his cock And then even like I was wrapping my tits around his cock and giving him some rubbing that way he was absolutely loving it Oh, yeah, what a bummer what a bummer bummer bummer, dude bummer Which I have to remember it in the in the UK bum is ass So sometimes when you say bummer like in Australia, it's like you're getting fucked in the ass I understand but out here bummer means like that's a drag that's lame It doesn't mean I wonder what that sounds like I don't understand that like I've heard people say that from from From our other side of the pond in our Australian friends. They're like, yeah, we're talking about you say bummer It sounds like someone's getting fucked in the ass Or I'm so bummed out. Yeah, but back to the titty fucking yes. Yes.

Yes So yes, so wrap my tip my big double D's around his cock and I was really working I was getting frustrated because I was like I was going out of her good 20 25 minutes and just even get the point where I was like Grunting while I was sucking his cock and then I think he finally took the hands about already It's been about 20 25 minutes. He's not gonna come that way. So you threw me on the couch and finished off that way good Way to give in yeah Okay fine fine, you're gonna fuck me all right Another failure sexually I've only gotten him once giving him a blowjob. I mean because I guess because I take so long But it's just yeah, I don't like I'm not gonna once but there will be another time.

Oh, yes challenge I'm sure there will well. I mean to be really honest You got to remember guys jerk off differently than women because we have different equipment So for most guys, I'm not gonna say all guys, but for most guys and surely for me. It's a very strong Consistent yeah, you know, so all that softy schmoopsy kissy tipsy stuff. It's like that feels really good But that's not that's not the end game.

That's not gonna go to the end game You have to increase that grip and you have to increase kind of that visceral build I mean in some ways it's it's a lot like when you're going down on a woman that there's a certain point where the kissy the kissy Okay fucking cut that shit out We want some consistency now. Yeah, you're in the zone. Don't fuck around. Yeah, stay there stay the course They of course gotta stay the course God if you think about it like I mean if a guy's jerking off He's thumb would be around the bottom of it and his fingers are kind of wrap around the top So when a girl's doing it not unless you're laying like kind of on the side grabbing the same way you're doing it the opposite way So it's gonna feel different to begin with the same thing with like going down to guy It's like you know I like going down to guys when I'm like facing it like if they were grabbing it because I see like I can get deeper and like the guys can Come better, but it's just yeah, if you're like that face fucking you see in porn It's just kind of like it's hard to come that way because you're doing it's completely like doing almost opposite You know yeah, I mean it also depends once again if how turned on you are like if it's super hot You know you can blow on it and it's gonna blow a load But if it's especially if you're kind of used to that visceral and especially if you're in that mindset like I'm taking control Then it's really there's more control in that you're gonna you're not in a headspace to really come because it's like a dominant kind of thing Yeah, but yeah, yeah, yeah good stuff and it's true I you saying that just makes me think because yeah your thumb would be under the urethra when you're sucking me off right?

You know I like on visualizing you sucking me off. I'm like okay There's path girl and I'm standing over her and there she is she's looking up at me and I smack her in the face with my cock a couple Times sorry, don't it's just part of the show totally platonic sexual fantasizing About cock-wapping path girls face just for logistics and science really just trying to figure out so yeah So when you're going on on my cock then your yeah, your thumb is on my urethra where usually when I jerk off I got four fingers on that kind of like going come on get out get out get out get out get out get out get out Please get out get out get out and then Which for me it's more like Well, no now I'm back in storage so now I can use my normal paper towels and things like that Hey look to train going by oh I'm at the train check to do you hear that oh I heard that loud and clear yeah, that's funny So yes, I am back in storage goddamn it so I learned a valuable lesson Sort of sexually this week and My whole life has changed because you know being homeless you got to shower the gym and then shaving and showering and all that It's so much work So I bought an electric razor and and it's amazing because now I don't have to shower or shaving the shower anymore I have my electric razor and you can maintain it so you feel better especially you know in my condition You feel better when you're cleaner and your face looks good and you don't look all fucking rugged So so I'm always keeping that and and it works really good on my head because I'm bald and the hair is much thinner Obviously because I'm bald but like the stuff that I take off it's much thinner than the whiskers So it works really really good on my head hair and it like makes it nice and smooth And I'm like wow that is fucking awesome And then you know I'm in storage and it's kind of time to you know Do the little manscaped thing and usually I stand over a box and I and I shave with a razor dry razor And I just you know can I shave that when I go what if I mean it works so good on my head What if I use the electric razor on my balls and how would that work? So and let me tell you it works pretty good really yeah I'm like what I got caught no so no no no another car and so I did it and I'm like working it and I'm like it felt kind of weird Like I had this weird sensation. I'm like I don't know if I can get into it man You know cuz I'm fat I can't really see it so but I'm just eating and I'm feeling down and mirror and doing my things like a whole Girl process, you know check myself out and and it looks pretty good And I'm and I'm like oh okay That was pretty fucking cool and I start doing some work and I'm gonna say about 15 to 20 minutes later Uh-huh I start feeling like a little itch.

Oh No, well, but not just like an it's like a kind of all-encompassing edge Oh, I got a whole whole thing not just like oh that little spot. No, it's like a huh and I'm like oh Just like it I just shaved you know that's a little thing and it starts to build oh no and then the itch turns into a burn And then the burn turns into what the fuck is going on? And I'm like oh my god, and I'm just scratching Fucking don't it got so bad. I grabbed a dog and dragged its ass across my nuts.

I just Was like what's a fuck? I'm running around storage in a circle look for the next three hours. I'm like I'm sitting in a chair I'm like walking like I just took a shit in my pants. Oh Boogie so to any of those who possess the testic eyes Gonna give a little tip.

I don't know about you, but electric razors on the nut sack are no go All right, there could be an argument made and I do know some people with the testiculars that they do use an electric razor But they have to worry about getting their hairs caught on it depending on what kind of razor you use But yeah, you can trim it but not really down to the skin no I'm talking about the thing with a little blades like me not like primmers Yeah, those you know those you don't really touch the skin they go against the skin and then they pick up the hair And so I do that on my every everywhere else I use the clippers everywhere else with no setting But yeah, but like the electric razor the thing with a little three spinning things that you know no roko or whatever Yeah, oh my god. Can you imagine they try to sponsor us for Not anymore. Yeah, they're like we'd like to say no no no no no no no no no no I appreciate the effort but no sponsorship needed here. I am going back to my literally my 19 cent a piece razors Yeah work better than that or maybe it worked too good and took layers of my skin It was like a couple days before I was like okay, I'm gonna touch him now No, I know I shade myself bear down there and it's just but I just use a regular hand raise But yeah, like you said after two I notice up to three days.

I get itchy if I don't keep shaving Yeah, you will get a little it's not like this bro, dude bro, bro, bro Bro Not a good time not a good look for me We'll be running in a circle Oh, but wait a minute wait a minute if you do get a girl you could do that to her and then watch her squirm That would be the awful yeah, no, that's because it's like like I don't like dude don't wax your shit in The afternoon before our date. Oh, yeah, cuz you're not gonna want you're not gonna want anything touching you Yeah, you know do that a couple days before you know, whatever yeah, no And the listeners are like they've done the last seven or eight minutes on pubic care Well, if this show gives you any amount of entertainment at all why don't you go ahead and click that like button right now? That's what this is the time where we plug for if you are a regular listener go ahead and click the like button now Cuz it really does help us and we're now starting that program and there was an increase a slight increase not a big increase but there was a slight increase and what made the increases some of our listeners actually went and went through our SoundCloud page and Click like on multiple videos. I will claim some responsibility for doing my part But I did notice that the further back I went in the archives there were more likes there Then the reason I guess some people are working their way up Well, I was working my way down, but I did notice a bunch of well the plays are the plays are bigger The number of plays are much bigger in the early is because when people listen to pervert a podcast a lot of people start from the beginning And so if you go to our early shows They all have like four or five thousand plays and then it kind of just builds slowly So eventually this episode where we talk about your amazing film a place scene and me dragging a dog's ass across my nutsack It will eventually get up there in in place because people will hear it and then immediately wonder why they're listening and then click unlike But in this moment now go ahead and click like For your piece of mind, please know that the author of every post we discussed in the show has specifically granted us permission to do so Okay, yeah, so we have a wonderful post by ARCs He gave us permission to read his post that was called availability is a fetish so thank you for that so his post reads Can I reach out and hold her touch her pull her towards me right now?

How about now 10 minutes from now an hour ago tomorrow morning It may be asking a lot for a woman to be available on a whim But this threshold is so goddamn hot when it's reached people joke about the stage in a mature relationship when sex becomes something rich Schedule that something rigidly scheduled Thursday after seven is sexy time This doesn't seem sexy to me now before you jump down my throat I realize that life happens and in order for things to fit in people need to schedule time My life today just doesn't require these constraints, so I wish to live without them Well, justically this still has its own inherent issues There are times when she's just not into it. There are times when she's unavailable physically mentally emotionally, etc There are times yes sure I can see to this I'm not naive and I'm also not a monster still her striving to make herself available to me as often as possible is just red hot This doesn't have to mean sex either being able to grab her ass while she's cooking Initiate a make-out session when she's on the couch or just decide that I prefer my hand exploring her lap when we're in the car together This is that not so subtle dominance. I crave Physical autonomy is not is a big deal. This is precisely when it makes it so damn hot Being able to control the physical access to your person is really a requirement of feeling safe in your own body It's not easy and it's not cheap.

It takes loads of trust. She trusts that I will recognize the immense cost She's paying every time she pays it. It's just like trust. I'll continue to do so.

It's one of my favorite things. Oh, yeah Better than burning balls Yes, it is that's the good burn-in-balls right there Well, I'm getting her all the time. You don't have to have burning balls That is that is true then I can literally just be like I'm going to use your tits with aloe vera to Soothe my balls. Yes, I joyous joyous balls.

This is This was a very well put and we obviously chop it up We'll put it up on our fat life page in whole we chop it up for the show But this is exactly the dynamic if I'm going to have a relationship with someone This is the exact dynamic that I strive for and will hold out for like if I'm gonna play with you then of course the The access to your body at all times dynamic is not what we're gonna have will negotiate everything that we do You know play-by-play And to whatever level that you want but in a relationship This is the dynamic that I I seek out and I seek out partners that seek out that same dynamic This is this is in many ways a CNC dynamic This is a consensual non-consent dynamic and it can be at any level I mean it can be to the level to where I can grab you and spank you when I want But I can't fuck you or rape your mouth when I want we have to talk about that or it can be all the way like I kind of had with Mew which was I like it when I don't like it and so just take me and I have a safe word my safe, you know I have a safe word if I really really really don't like it and then like he said there's that trust where I kind of know Hey, she's really busy or she's going through this or whatever So I'm still gonna check in but in general that ability to just be able to take when you want I mean I always like being that way and I seek out those kind of relationships to even if it's not in a kinky way like the relationship I have with Don is I'm always expecting for him to pounce on me and like you said whether it be I'm washing the dishes And he smacks my ass or he just kind of like as we're walking through the door I like brush his hands across my boobs and it's just kind of like that little hint of like I'm his is just so fucking amazing Yes, yes an amazing dynamic and once again not for everybody because it really depends on if you have that predator prey Instinct that dynamic that desire some people don't want to give up that much control So this relationship isn't for anyone that doesn't want that type of split in the dynamic And that's where it has to be this has to be something you negotiate You can't assume everyone wants this type of dynamic because it's just not that way a lot of people are very independent and they want their body Autonomy and they want to be able to discuss whenever there's going to be an activity all the way down to I don't want you to touch or hug me Unless we talk about it because some people don't like to be touched You know and they only like to be touched in certain in certain circumstances and that is absolutely cool for that person I'm not going to play with somebody like that because that's not what I'm into But it doesn't mean anyone's a bad person for whatever their personal limits. You don't even need a reason I don't need any reason other than this is how you are So this is something that really needs to be negotiated if this is something that you want in a relationship on both ends Because if you're the bottom and you want to see and see type of situation where you're just going to be grabbed and taken and the top Dominant isn't that type of person that they're always going to be like oh is this okay? Is this okay because they're very scared or they have their own thing where they don't like to just grab and take You're not going to be satisfied is the bottom in that relationship So this is something that you really need to speak about with your partners to start talking about Hey, are you into random grabbings and this and then what does it go to? Can I just fuck you bend you over a couch and fuck you whenever I want?

You that has to be stated yeah, yeah, and it's obviously it's really fucking hot on both sides the fact that wow he could fuck me Anytime you want to I can grab her tits anytime I want but especially on the dominant side speaking as the submissive the dominant It's a lot of responsibility because not only you got to worry about the legal stuff like okay We're walking across the parking lot and don't decide so like stick his fingers up my skirt No, we can't do that on public you got all the legal stuff and then you have the responsibility of like I have a kid I have a job I have a multiple medical issues which just like you got to have that split second up Yeah, I really want to grab her ass right now I want to stick my fingers up her pussy But you know, I know she's not feeling well So probably not gonna do it or like I'm gonna pull her back by the hair and see how she responds to that and then you know My responsibility is yes If I am not in the mood for it I'm gonna say for it But at the same time the dominant has to have some responsibility of don't push your submissive or your your partner pass that limit of I don't want to do this Where it's not fun anymore. It's supposed to be fun. I completely agree I completely agree and that's where this negotiation is so important because if you're on the bottom end Absolutely, just like you said completely agree It is the top's responsibility to do their best at all times in that CNC dynamic To be aware of the headspace of their partner to know when this is pushing them in an unhappy place Or in a place that they're not going to recover well from or that it's going to end up creating problems That is absolutely a responsibility. However, there is no way I can be perfect There is no way I can always understand what's inside your head when an hour ago You were into this and maybe something happened.

You got a phone call or a tax to put you in a headspace But I'm not reading that in your face at that point You are responsible to speak up for yourself You can never assume anyone understands what's going on your head 24 hours day as you move on in the relationship Surely you get better and better in CQ's and on this date and three days before you period and blah blah blah blah blah Yeah, those are all the things we learn it gets better and better But if you can't advocate for yourself if you can't speak up when you know this is not right for you and you have negotiated That there is a safe word in place and you used it on me twice There was two times most of the time she most of the time I pussyed out before she did Because it's like she a lot of times I would grab her and take her and start trying to fuck her Do things to her and she'd like I really don't want to I really don't have time. I don't have time blah blah blah. That's not read We had a discussion and there was a part of her that that was the CNC She got so turned on after the fact that I didn't care and I just pushed through and I just took what the fuck I wanted that was super hot to her and in the moment She really didn't want it and a lot of times she would start saying I don't want this or whatever and then I'd get like all I know But twice she did use her her safe word and if you can't use that safe word you have no fucking business in that type of dynamic You are not ready for that type of dynamic that is a danger to you and it is a danger to the dominant You have both of you have to be at that point to where you can negotiate these types of dynamics because you can run into really major Problems and not even just yes legally and whatever But just in the relationship you have to be able to have that communication together You have to be strong enough and that is once again another responsibility of the dominant to create an environment where you are as the bottom I would just speak up for yourself and you are encouraged to that and you are rewarded for that without a bunch of gaslighting and judgment Because now you're just in an abusive relationship. Yeah, and it doesn't even have to be about safe-boarding I mean me as a woman I'm very very self-conscious of my body smells and it's just like I could be running around all day and getting home from work And I'm still in my scrubs and like if you know don't just get pulled back by the hair and expect to take me now be like very politely Sir, it would or just even like would it be okay if I ran to the bathroom first and cleaned up and you know just you know Speak just speaking up for myself respectfully and like yes I want to do this but can you just give me a minute or even take the sex out of it?

I know people that are sexually available and that includes taking photos or going to a semi-public place You know going out in their car and masturbating you know, you know, you know recording of it, you know logistically where it's just like I'm at work You gotta give me ten minutes to get to a bathroom or I'm in a park and I don't want to get something for sexually You know just speaking up and basically saying yes I want to do this but just give me a minute or let me change the circumstances a bit and then I'm all yours I once again that is absolute communication that that this is the difference between reality and the face Fantasy and of course it is good to challenge yourself and to strive to be more available and to have like little things in place Like oh if this moment comes of course, that's that's wonderful and exciting and you're free to challenge yourself Whatever, but ultimately this is something that requires an ability to communicate Because if you just say well, we're just gonna try it and see what happens You are almost guaranteed to run into some significant problems Most people will not just be lucky Sometimes you you know, you know enough and you get with somebody that you know, both both people are experienced in CNC and Consensual non-consent as part of their you know, like their DNA and so yeah It works out a little better because you have a lot more to it, but you can't rely on That expertise because humans aren't perfect. We don't always interpret each other perfectly There's always gonna be moments where our signals get crossed and we don't smell the pheromones right or pheromones Whatever and that is where there always has to be that environment that you've created that hey We can speak up about this and if you need a shower or if you need the thing because there's times where people have said Oh, I don't feel fresh and I'm like, I'm carrying stick in my face there Yeah, I'm just gonna fuck you and then now you'll have a reason to go fucking shower Yeah, or even one of my one of my first dominance like when I come over to his place after work He'd grab me by the hair and one it was under see what just tell me you're gonna go shower You're not gonna put on clothes and you're gonna kneel on the bed and wait for me And I would do that so that way I'd be you know he would respect my boundary of I want to feel fresh and like Give it as it as an order or even you could start small and just say okay We're gonna go to negotiate between the two of us that from the hours of like six and ten every night You're gonna be available for me So that means by five thirty you should be in a shower or put whatever close on or whatever and just set the mood for us And then once that works then expanded and that's and that is once again that goes back to that whole idea that you create your dynamic With your partner whatever that level is maybe the only thing that's okay is that little smack while I'm cooking and that's what you know I like that that's okay. That makes me feel dirty and and also that I'm yours But I don't want you to just grab me and fuck me or like you said between a certain time Absolutely make it work for how your relationship works And if it doesn't work for you then you have to be able to speak up about that You have to be able to advocate for yourself on both ends and be like this doesn't work for you for me and and go from there and at the end of the game Maybe that's not the right partner for you Yeah, and you need to not be afraid of that because let me tell you don't get into CNC relationships when you're not into fucking CNC Yeah, you're just asking to be in a negative situation and yes You are asking because you're choosing to stay in something. You know that you're not into Yeah, get the fuck out.

Yeah, both ends say yeah I'm both ends can I just say like one of my favorite things is just I love it like what you know I've always I always cook my guys dinner and like especially when I'm washing the dishes for my guys just come Behind me and just bite me on the back of the shoulders and I'm trying so hard because I feel so fucking good But I'm trying not to drop a plate in the sink or break something and it's just like oh fuck Oh shit. Oh fuck. Oh shit. I'm not the break stuff is just oh I fucking love that Oh, yeah Just push her face into the fucking sink with the dirty dishes and start fingering her or just grab utensils out of the thing fucking Swatter ass with it and then throw it in the sink and say clean that too.

Oh Yeah God those were the good old days. Oh I'm sad Well, thank you for our forgiving us permission for this wonderful post it really was awesome I don't know that's asking a name. Oh, you should know because he's got the same name my spooky brother from another spooky mother Oh, now that boogie. How do you be this evening?

I be evening? I mean whenever people are listening to the podcast 135 in the afternoon. I don't even know what time zone I'm in I'm still kind of dealing with being back from Texas and the time is different and I'm just like oh no It's time it's light out. That's pretty good.

Hey, how's the Halloween haunting going? It's going pretty good I mean there's you know the normal drama that only scare people can do but other than that I'm definitely getting to the point where I am tired and I just want to sleep for a week For those who've never worked in a haunted house It's actually pretty stressful on the body and you're you're up at least for me Like I have to be at the at the haunt at like 2 30 afternoon and sometimes I'm not gone until 1 30 the next morning. So oh, you know It's like monsters ink where you're like all like I just need a break from scaring Oh, it's exactly like it's exactly the same way like once I'm out there and I'm at I'm scaring and I'm doing my job Like the screams of everybody are just fulfilling to my soul Um, but you know then I have to go like then you relax in my body's like oh this hurts and this hurts and this hurts and this hurts and this hurts So it's a lot it's a lot like me in a rock star You know, it's like all the non glamour is driving and sitting around and sound check and waiting in the band or the motel or hotel Whatever depending on what level of star you are and the actual fun part is literally like an hour or two That you get to finally jump on stage and interact with your audience and remember why you're there and stuff They haven't songs great songs written about that, but it's kind of like that for uh scaring people Mm-hmm very much though. It's good to know man.

Well, then god damn it You are a spooky rock star and I love you for it. Have you so have you had any time for shenanigans? Uh, not particularly my weekends are definitely taken up with that And so I have I have lots of like hunting and primal fantasies as I'm out there because I can't actually do anything You even though so many people do hit on us which can get weird at a certain point. Um, it's like I'm in a 90 What or 13?

Oh no. Yeah. Yeah, so many years legal I'm yeah, like I mean fair. Um and knows what she's doing but like I know there's just people who like flirt with me that I'm like you are a child.

No. Yeah, no, no Yeah, no, but are you getting some good cougar fucking flirting? I have a lot the the primary people that because like I walk around with basically this club type prop the people who ask me to hit them are usually in the I would say 40 and over range so like Um, those are the ones who like to get hit and I'm like you're the wrong place. Meet me at a different place and yes, but um I'm gonna win the lottery.

I made that plan. I bought my ticket Okay, and we are going to have a fully inclusive full sexual consensual sign the waiver video intro consent All fucking haunted house I would love that my my goal. It's not as kinky But I would like to start like you know when I'm rich and famous and have the the disposal income It's like I would like to have like a big haunted like renaissance fair type thing that has hey ride has mazes But has like I have this whole plan in my head And I would love and it would be in like an adult like not not pornographic necessarily But it would be like an adult like no kids allowed type of it So like we could actually have gore and we can actually like you know get a little explicit with our scare Like I just think it would be so much more fun. I like you had me at no kids But then you lost me when you're like well, not really pornographic.

I'm like, okay Well, I mean I would like to have like a naked day I think that would be like one night during the season like all the new discs can come out and Participate in this event but like buck ass nude and can't you condom club fuck them Like just wrapping it to have a bag of fucking giant condoms and just stick that club you carry in a condom and just bend people over and fuck them with it I mean that that could happen on the sexy naked night. Yeah, okay I just wanted to make sure that we're on the same page with what we want to do with our honey I mean you have the experience so obviously I have to consult with you Oh, creepy, you know, you guys are gonna be the ones developing the the scare But I am gonna insist that it be extra creepy, you know Oh, of course, I would I go for actual scary not like disney land level scares like it It's stuff that will give you nightmares and or wet dreams depending on how you feel about it I just want to club fuck a lot of chicks. That's that's my thing. I mean call me old fashioned call me old fashioned I scare you boo.

I jump out. I pretend to cut your throat and then you're turned on and I club fuck you I'm just that's just my vanilla Super vanilla boogie. I can say that's my bad. That's my poor scary Oh Well, god damn it So but you'll be back into some action pretty soon and I'm glad that that's going and it always is fun every year that we get to talk About it because you know people like to be scared and we've talked about how it turns you on and it's the type of sexuality and it ties Into your primal so uh the fact that you get to do it every year is is a treat to talk about that's for sure But we do have A topic that I kind of wanted to touch on a little bit because I was reading through the old reds And I said oh, this is one good to talk about with enigma and uh a guy roan in and I love this because You know we get all highfalutin in our ego going with our community with our lifestyle with how much we know And whatever but the reality is is there are people that are kind of doing it right even not necessarily in the lifestyle They're still doing the things that instinctively you would do if you want to do something ethically and responsibly in your relationship Absolutely, it helps if you're in a lifestyle with a lot of people all doing that you can surely draw learn faster get more opinions But it's nice to see that people have the right idea And this guy reached out in uh in a bds m advice group And uh, I'll just kind of paraphrase a little bit.

He has a submissive and and she recently brought up the idea of giving him a hall pass Which uh, I've heard the term a lot before and uh and she basically wanted to give him permission once or twice a month To kind of go out and do whatever he likes, you know, basically with somebody else, you know Go play and have sex and and so instead of just being like fuck yeah and dropping it He you know, he had a conversation with her and he's like hey, so why do you feel the need to bring this up and and she's like She had her reasons, you know, there's a lot of different little reasons and she's doesn't want to worry that he's not getting everything He needs I don't know he didn't get into their sexuality or what they do and don't do But she was kind of just feeling like, you know, she would rather be more comfortable knowing that things are going well for him and that he's satisfied and uh And so apparently she had some trust issues before and ever since then one of his remedies was that they will sit down And he will if she feels comfortable if that makes her comfortable She can look through his phones or his fat life and you know, because he's like I don't have anything to hide So if it makes her feel more comfortable, she's getting in her head about it Which I've done that with partners too because I have nothing to hide so um and then he just talks a lot about The discussions that he has with her and the fact that he sits down with her But then he follows up with hey, I was just wondering if any of you guys had this experience And I just started laughing because obviously this guy is not in the community and I send back a message I go well what you're calling a hall pass we call ethical non-monogamy What you're doing is is very normal for a lot of people It's not I mean hall pass is kind of I wanted to talk about the difference between a hall pass or whatever But what he was talking about they negotiated they talked about it They were concerned for each other's feelings and they I guess set up some boundaries and and so forth Which to me and what's your opinion on this? But that kind of sounds like he's on the path of ethical non-monogamy Yeah, I mean I've been on the negative side of a hall pass before Um, and so we can talk about that a little bit, but yeah, it definitely sounds like they're they're doing some version of polyamory without calling it polyamory And I think that's something that I think that's something that happens a lot like in the equivalent vanilla world is like that They will like a more vanilla more not kinky related couple will discover something about kink They will call it something else and be like oh, there's this really cool thing And I thought it was called this but actually like there's this whole community that that is that surrounds it like they will start to do some sort of like DS dynamic and not really know what it's called until they start investigating it and then like they they realize that there's like So much more to it than what they were just doing on a superficial level So I think for sure what they're doing is very very cool But also like it is kind of adorable to see them kind of figure this out on their own and do it in a pretty ethical way Yeah, and I mean in the other thing that of course I think is is really good is that he did just as we suggest to do reach out and get other opinions See if you can find some information online join some groups See if you can have some people talking through this maybe give you some ins and out because surely there are a lot of mistakes to be made In polyamory and ethical non-monogamy And there's a lot of things that you like surely a billion things that I didn't know that I heard other people with a lot of experience share That made a lot more sense to me. So I think it's really good shifting into the hall pass once again I don't you know, I'm not into names or titles But to me a hall pass kind of sounds like it's wrong But I know you really want it So I'll just build up the energy to kind of suck it up and let you go fuck someone and get it out of your system So I don't feel like you're doing it behind my back It doesn't really sound like it's motivated necessarily from a healthy place Right and like a lot of it is like Like I said, I had kind of a negative experience with it where I was hooking up with this person who I knew from college And like it was like the second time I was over there Like I thought like I was kind of I knew a little bit about polyamory and such so I thought that that was kind of what was going on And then we were talking about it and she was like, yeah He told me just to like it was kind of a don't-ask-don't-tell situation, right? And like that really put a It put a sour taste in my mouth because like I didn't Really feel like I was being appreciated as like a partner I was just like a secret side piece and that felt really nasty and it didn't like I just kind of like let it fizzle out at one point because it's just like this isn't this isn't healthy for either one of us And I'm not gonna be like I don't know how to say it because it seemed like something that they were okay with Right, um it did not feel good on on that end of things and that I absolutely agree That that's where that negotiation For some people is extremely necessary because you had different needs in that even though it was a plaything and you were Enjoying that person sexually without a serious relationship You still have a need to kind of feel like you're at least important to the person outside of the sex And that's something and that's something that needs to be discussed If you're good with it, then absolutely as long as everybody everyone involved no one's lying and cheating to anybody There are lots of dynamics out there lots of people with the dynamic of don't-ask don't-tell And and if they're once again if that's you know, they just you know, they're okay with it They understand it.

They can process it. They just don't want any of the details That is absolutely fine To be a part of that dynamic, but once again your new lovers also need to know that's what it is because it is a little bit different Then Everybody's involved and it's Compergent and you know those types of things go in comparison of course is you being happy about your lovers lovers because it makes your lover happy Kind of thing something I don't have Yeah, and I think I don't have yeah that thing you don't have and also like One thing that I look back on like I had a couple of relationships back there back then where like I didn't know what the Like what like demisexual was and I didn't like I don't think that was even a term yet Or it wasn't a popular term yet And so like knowing that now it's like oh that totally makes sense because like I was in this because like we were flirting and it was fun But like I didn't really have that emotional connection and like because she was married and had a whole other relationship And I was at Secret Sidepiece so like knowing that now it makes a lot more sense why I was so uncomfortable with that arrangement But I still look at that as like the way that they were doing the hall pass was I at least I don't think was very ethical and I don't think it was very I think it sounded more like she wanted to do the thing and he didn't want to lose his wife So right he kind of like let her go do the BDS and thing and then like she would come home every night So I I kind of see it more in that space than Something like something like the the Redditor sounds like they were doing it a much more ethical way Which gets me to you know I hate titles and I hate you know all the new things that people come up with and always in the new term But I will say out of all the terms That have come on to the scene in the last few years I think demisexual is probably the most helpful Of terms because people were really confused about this A lot of people really were confused about why am I not attracted you know because we're told you know He she they what you know that you're supposed to primal and you see you take you get taken You know, it's like a lot of cut and dry But a lot of people were very confused that they weren't kind of able to just jump in and do it Right and I think the fact that we said oh no you just need a stronger connection With someone before you can jump in because to be honest, I think most people have at least in my experience Have some level of demisexual where they need a connection They need to feel that at least they're moderately important to the person I think most people can't just jump in to a meat locker situation And expect that to go okay I think most people kind of seek that validation and emotional connection So I think that's one of the I think it was really good when people started using that term and understanding what it meant At varying levels it gave a lot of people relief Yeah, and like yes, I think there there is a point where like um, you know, labels kind of become superfluous But like I I think sometimes like for like when I look back at the college my college years Like I would see people hooking up all around me at college parties and be like I like I don't feel like I want to participate But I also don't um and like I don't feel uh like really compelled to do that and I think that's why a lot of people have these fantasies of like oh I want to go to like I want to go do glory hole I want to go do like a gangbang and have that like that fantasy of stranger is using you taking you all that stuff But then they do that and then they come out of it and they're like that something was missing from that And and that's why like I know a lot of the people that I know in our community If they're planning that it's like okay, they're gonna pick up a specific person and that person is going to pick specific people And then those people are gonna come in to participate and it's like it's gonna be a lot more of an emotional connection Then like, you know, like we see that on fattlife now a lot of people like hey I'm putting an event we're having a gangbang at such a such a joke on down And I like most of the people I know will see those and laugh because like there's no way they're going to those Right There is no way and I think I like the term because I don't necessarily believe it as an orientation like it's an actual orientation I believe it's more of a personality or a characteristic or even an archetype That demisexual is just I need to be connected to somebody before I can have sex Yeah, no, I I don't think I think a lot of though like even demi a's all of the like all of those kind of I think they are more of identifiers within somebody's sexuality Um like the person is there it's it's they're straight there. They're by their gay, but they are also demi ace pan whatever Um, yeah, these are terms these are terms to describe your behaviors and your likes and your dislikes It's not something to go make another fucking flag and uh and wave around so you can isolate yourself from other people It's it's a personality. It's a it's a way to explain yourself When you talk to people who you may either be interested in dating or who have similar feelings and are struggling with not being able to go to swingers parties and glory All right, right Good topic I think it's a very good topic and I think it's something important for everyone to talk about Um, like that there are different ways to do ethical non-monogamy Um, and there's there's no one way to describe it There's no one way to look at it, but as long as everybody involved is in the know of what's going on That's what makes it ethical when you go beyond that it just becomes cheating Fantastic and if you love an iG.

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What's your favorite? What's one of your favorite soups? Oh, uh, she's in broccoli Nice Nice a good cheese and broccoli on a on a wintery day. I am a white clam chowder guy.

Uh, yeah I find the the I've tried that before and the clam chowder is disgusting But I do like other types of chowder. I do like there's like bacon chowder I do like other chowder, but just not clam chowder What's great about it is I can eat a bowl of clam chowder while i'm fucking a chick from behind and then just you know I don't feel like coming but you know she wants to feel like I did I just wait till it gets to that body temperature level and then I just go oh yeah, maybe here it comes and just flip a Spoonful onto her back and she's like oh my god what a fat load and then I like flick another spoonful And she's like oh my god, and I'm like keep your face down bitch I'm gonna come more and then I flip more and then I take my finger and I scrape it and then she doesn't know it's not my spooge And then I go oh yeah, I'm tasting my own spooge and she's like you freak. Oh my god And then she tastes that's and I like how much garlic did you eat? You're I am a salty and kind of motherfucker I got a blood pressure You're a cum tastes like clam chowder.

Yes. Yes it does. I don't know if that's a motivation to suck my dick But anyway, good job. It will see you on the next one inigma sounds good Is the end of show 365?

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I got the fucking that got the aloe vera right here. My balls are like hey You're the wrong way you're supposed to drive these not west god damn it Your loss whatever we'll see you guys down the next show Sure Mama's all have curly dicks and spit on you when you bring up your drama I can be me and not give a damn I can talk my penis in between my legs and pretend i'm a woman Forals and etiquette bucket i've had them Nice much more fun when you do something random Chains of propriety scream for removal Live my life for your bullshit. Oh, I see the world. I can poop up on a mountain I could scream the beazer in my ass and jump into a public fountain I can be god and make my own religion I can paint up your love and chick fucking a donkey in my kitchen Orals and etiquette bucket i've had them I've much more fun when you do something random chains of propriety scream for removal I won't live my life for your bullshit Eat like a biking in a restaurant have kinky sex and public places where a bikini to a funeral and make argondorded faces Where a shirt made out of bacon, die your pubic hair blue I swear your life will suck much less if you change your point of view Crot in your scope and expand your brain Baby watch your chicken's buck a toast or ense if you're entertained Sexes and war or a battle of wiz I eat your pussy fairies fair now.

Why won't you let me come on your tits? Why? Forals and etiquette buckets i've had them Nice much more fun when you do something random Chains of propriety scream for removal I won't live my life for your bullshit

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