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EPISODE · Mar 24, 2026 · 43 MIN

When Telling the Truth Could Cost You Everything, with Margaret Donovan

from Flourishing Leadership in Tough Times · host Debbie Owen

Rooted & Rising: Flourishing Leadership in Tough Times. Season 1, Episode 12.Truth, Loyalty, and Leadership; A Conversation with Ex-JAG Margaret Donovan.What happens when the people in charge stop leading?In this compelling episode of Flourishing Leadership in Tough Times, Deborah Owen sits down with former Army JAG officer and Assistant U.S. Attorney Margaret Donovan to explore what real leadership looks like when institutions are strained and credibility is on the line.They discuss:✅ Why holding a title doesn’t make someone a leader✅ How “loyalty” without truth corrodes integrity✅ The hidden cost of speaking out in volatile systems✅ Why mentorship anchors leaders in moments of crisis✅ How to fortify your character before you find yourself in the foxholeDrawing from her experience in the military and the Department of Justice, Margaret reflects on moral courage, institutional accountability, and why citizens are not required to accept every official as a model of leadership.🎧 Listen now and discover what it truly means to lead when it costs something.🔗 Subscribe for more episodes on staying rooted with integrity and rising with courage: https://debbieowen.substack.com/What distinguishes a leader from someone who simply holds power? Share your thoughts below.Margaret teaches at Yale Law School and writes publicly on issues of leadership and institutional accountability.====HERE ARE THE NEURO-BASED ENNEAGRAM BOOKS mentioned in the middle of the episode:Links to the Lent series, “When Sorrow Speaks”https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0GGQBSX24?binding=kindle_edition&ref_=dbs_s_ks_series_rwt_tkin&qid=1774199947&sr=1-1Links to the Advent series, “The Awaiting” https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0G1Z6QHP5?binding=paperback&searchxofy=true&ref_=dbs_s_aps_series_rwt_tpbk&qid=1774199908&sr=8-1====leadership, integrity, truth and loyalty, Margaret Donovan, Deborah Owen, ex JAG, moral courage, institutional accountability, leadership under pressure, mentorship, ethical leadership, resilient leadership, public service, rule of law, tough times, flourishing leadership, leadership podcast, leadership development Get full access to Rooted & Rising at debbieowen.substack.com/subscribe

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