When the Ocean Has Rights with Callie Veelenturf & Michelle Bender

What happens when science, law, and love for the Ocean come together? Callie Veelenturf, marine conservation biologist and National Geographic Explorer, has walked the nesting beaches with sea turtles and worked hand in hand with coastal communities, turning relationship into real protection. Michelle Bender, an international leader in Ocean Rights, is helping reshape law itself—pioneering policies that recognize the Ocean and her beings not as resources, but as relatives with rights of their own.In this conversation, Callie and Michelle share how their paths of biology and law weave into a movement for change: sea turtles and people thriving side by side, orcas and other beings gaining legal recognition, and humanity stepping into its role as caretaker of the living Sea. Be inspired by two voices showing that transformation is not only possible—it is already underway.Callie Veelenturf is a marine conservation biologist, National Geographic Explorer, a Scientist with the United Nations Harmony with Nature Programme, and Founder of The Leatherback Project and National Geographic Society’s program For Nature, who inspires high-impact conservation measures through collaborative scientific research initiatives. Callie has a special focus on marine turtles, ocean ecosystems and the Rights of Nature. As Founder of The Leatherback Project, she has trained over two thousand Panamanian Army and Navy soldiers in the recognition of illegal sea turtle products; identified new to science sea turtle nesting and foraging sites; and spearheaded groundbreaking conservation proposals and laws in Panama including a new National Wildlife Refuge; Law 287 recognizing the Rights of Nature; and Article 29 of Law 371 that recognizes sea turtles as legal entities with specific rights. She leads the Operations for three field research programs that document coastal development threats, justify new protection measures, and combat fisheries bycatch in the Pearl Islands Archipelago, Darien Gap, and project Iluminar el Mar from 2022-2025 in Ecuador.  Most recently, she has received the 2024 Future For Nature Award, 2024 Schmidt Ocean Institute Visionary Award, and 2024 New Explorer of The Year Award from The Explorers Club and been named a 2022 United Nations Development Programme Ocean Innovator and 2020 National Geographic Early Career Leader.Michelle Bender is the creator and leading expert in the movement towards "Ocean Rights," the application of Rights of Nature in the ocean policy seascape. She has provided her expertise to Rights of Nature laws and policies worldwide, including in the United States (Rhode Island and Washington), Panama (national law, sea turtle conservation law and marine reserve), the Philippines (national law), Aruba (constitutional amendment), the Moananui Sanctuary Agreement to recognise whales as legal persons, and within international law and institutions (IUCN Motion 056 (2025)). She serves on the Advisory Board for the Global Alliance for the Rights of Nature, is a member of the IUCN's World Commission on Environmental Law, an expert of the UN Harmony with Nature initiative and Steering Committee Member for the UN Ocean Decade Coordination Office on Connecting People and the Ocean. In 2018, she was named one of 15 Youth Ocean Leaders taking on the world internationally by the Sustainable Ocean Alliance. Michelle graduated Summa Cum Laude from Vermont Law School, where she earned a Master’s in Environmental Law and Policy and holds a B.S. in Biology with a Marine Emphasis from Western Washington University.  To learn more about Michelle and her work visit the Ocean Vision Legal website.  Support the show