When 'tough it out' fails cops | Wearing the Badge

Police work puts officers in the middle of mental illness, homelessness, addiction, and trauma, often with little training and a lot of stigma. In this episode of Wearing the Badge, Garry McCarthy sits down with Ernie Stevens, a retired San Antonio police officer and crisis-intervention trainer, to talk about what works when someone is in crisis, and why officer wellness cannot be an afterthought. 00:00 Cold open 01:40 Who is Ernie Stevens? 03:35 “Volunteered” into crisis training 05:43 The NAMI story that changed him 09:11 Training as a reward 10:29 De-escalation with a gun present 18:15 Homelessness 20:03 Partnering with NAMI 25:03 The stigma of officers getting help 29:10 Officers come forward for help 29:28 Garry’s father and the 1953 shootout 32:58 Adam Toledo and the aftermath 39:34 Building a culture of officer wellness 43:53 What trauma really is 48:22 'Crisis Cops' and why the film mattered Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices