When Turnbull met Trump — and what it means for today’s changing world order

Australia's 29th Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull joins former Canadian Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland to deliver a candid appraisal of the shifting sands of global politics, from Donald Trump to AUKUS to rising right wing populism in liberal democracies.This conversation was recorded at the Harvard Kennedy School at Harvard University on 16 April 2026.Speakers:Malcom TurnbullAustralian Prime Minister, 2015 to 2018President of the International Hydropower AssociationChrystia Freeland (host)Fellow at the Harvard Kennedy School, Harvard UniversityEconomic advisor to the President of UkraineFormer Canadian deputy prime minister and finance minister 2019 to 2024Author, Plutocrats: The Rise of the New Global Super Rich and the Fall of Everyone Else, and Sale of the Century: Russia's Wild Ride from Communism to Capitalism