When Work Isn't the Hardest Thing: Leadership, Humanity, and Life's Biggest Challenges w/ Jill Wrobel

Have you ever faced a moment that completely changed the way you lead?In this episode, Jule sits down with Jill Wrobel, Chief Human Resources Officer at Brunswick Corporation, whose leadership has been shaped by both executive experience and life's most unexpected challenges.Jill shares how navigating a deeply personal health journey transformed the way she thinks about work, connection, and supporting others. Rather than seeing leadership as simply driving results, she explains why the strongest leaders create environments where people feel seen, trusted, and empowered to bring their best selves to work.For leaders balancing performance with empathy, navigating difficult conversations, or building stronger workplace cultures, Jill offers practical insights on how genuine connection strengthens both people and business outcomes.In this conversation, Jill and Jule discuss:• Why leading with curiosity creates stronger relationships than leading with assumptions• How managers can support employees through life's most difficult moments without having all the answers• Why connection and accountability work best together, not separately• How organizations can intentionally build cultures where people feel valued and supported• The importance of creating space for people to do their best thinking and best workIf you've ever wondered how to lead people through uncertainty, foster trust within your team, or create a culture where both people and performance thrive, this episode is a reminder that great leadership begins with seeing the person before the role.Connection isn't built through perfect answers.It's built through empathy, curiosity, and showing up for people when it matters most.Connect with Jill:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jill-wrobel/Recommended Reading: Lives Lost and Leadership Found: Lessons from Special Somebodies by Ian Ziskin (includes Jill's contributed essay and reflection exercise).Connect with Jule:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/julesalem/Website: www.julesalem.comDialing In is a leadership podcast for operators, executives, and founders that explores how connection drives performance in business. Each episode looks at the human dynamics behind business results and how stronger connection can create greater trust, alignment, accountability, and ultimately, better performance.Join us and subscribe to the show to be the first to hear new episodes.