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I thought you were good, babe He is good. He's real good. But there's I did both it's more artistic like skateboarding It really has always been that but there was a time there where Like be getting paid and not not working because that's what it's called to me and just skateboarding and that's your job That's that's the goal right like yeah But then imagine it's like if you did comedy and they go if you don't do like seven your mom's fat jokes Like you know you get paid so you so you work hard on some your mom's fat jokes It's not really what you want to do But it's how you make the money and then you get to be creative doing all the rest of this stuff. That's like so analogy It's it's it became like to me.
I didn't know any other way like what I got into skateboarding. I skateboarding I skate I love skateboarding I skate all day. I try to make up stuff. I love doing it That's the best thing from it now that it's all done and I'm older the greatest thing I got from skateboarding is it was a Point there where I could just make it do whatever I wanted and I loved it and I would like that my aggression out They my fears my sadness I would pour it out on my skateboard and it was like a therapy to me Like they were tricks I used to do I still do them like that a certain way like I grind this pull down the road now Like if you lean into a grind and the coping's chipped It'll like grab your board it makes it harder to do it But I refuse to do it any other way I like to lean into it and try to rip that shit in half because I'm angry Yeah, you know, but if I do it a couple times I'm happy because I got it out so there's this therapy in it And what do you think it is?
Do you think it and I oddly kind of don't totally know the answer in comedy? I think I have an idea But do you think it's the adrenaline which turns into dopamine or do you think it's the self-esteem hit? I'm really good at this hard thing and I just did it I must not be a complete piece of shit or it's just like we need that was fun All of them. Yeah, they all exist The creative thing as well the same thing in the comedy thing where you create something and this is the other thing that's super similar You write a joke you make up a trick you do it a bunch of times and it evolves into something else Mm-hmm before your eyes like I've done tricks before where I didn't plan to make it go that far like this Cross-burned Vertrix because Chris is gonna fight harder, but there's a trick called a slob air.
It's just a 180 slob air slob air Yeah, it's slob air and people do it tuck me I did it between the leg and between the leg is usually not cool But I started to straighten my back foot out when I did it And then I started to straighten it out and one time I straighten it out and it overturned all the way past and I was like Oh, and then that became like my way of doing that and to me still to this day No one's ever done a slob air better than mine like it's that's me. I run it if you do want in front of me I go you having fun? That's awesome I will say that already on slob air tonight This is fascinating to me because like I'm obsessed with the similarities between comedy and skateboarding I'm obsessed that you're obsessed with skateboarding similarities with comedy. This is so Well, can I just start with my first quam with skateboarding?
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Ellis you have unusually thick balls And I was on the Instagram. I was like yeah, and then right when I was like yeah excruciating pain came Oh really? Yeah, and like they pulled on one of the chords right in the balls Yeah, they get a fusicord and I think before they fuse the chord doc yankton a little bit and it felt like a crazy kick to the nuts Oh, and I was like oh, I'm gonna faint. I don't even think I'm hardcore, but I felt it can ask you a question I'm sorry that I'm an idiot or maybe we need to googles.
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Yes like the smallest amount Oh god, okay, okay, like negligible now copy that okay, so I'm obsessed with the like comedy and skating thing because I think it's so Similar I mean there's a reason that do you find more and more similar to that you get bigger as a Santa? Yeah, yeah, and the best thing about is if you do it wrong you don't go to hospital I say it all the time And that's it when you're older and you're like you're like At some point, but let me just let me do my quan with skating real quick. Why is it that skates shoes? You can't wear socks I Love it I'd be I'd be like oh no, but why don't they what am I doing special skate socks for skates shoes?
I mean if you have high socks usually high up down at the full yeah, huh down at the food Why can I have I would like to do a Yelp review on your fallen shoes because they're too low well wait? What that's a normal height, but usually you go either invisible socks Yeah, if you want to wear shorts or you go socks that are actually like up the calf Oh, you realize if anybody else's room had your jeans on they'd be stupid Hey guys first thing I do of course walking over like hey man get the fuck out of my studio I've seen you in a time. I've seen you in a clam digger and honestly I was like no one else can pull it off But you're wearing clam diggers one time. It's like pants that come like knit calf.
Yeah, that was accident, but I Explain let me explain And I went to the mall and I went to Nike store and I was like I like this this pants that silky ones Like warm up hands or whatever yeah, and I was just I don't like shopping So I like I got him and I was like cool a large done and then I get home back to LA and I put it on and I might Put my page like 120 bucks. I'm wearing them wearing them About how about it every time you wear them you wear them more And that's my those are my pants when something's expensive I have to get it down to a dollar so I go if something is a hundred twenty I have to wear it 120 times Until some beach air comes in I'm not giving those pants up because I don't have any more silky pants That's her when I get an opportunity to buy more silky pants that go all the way to the ankle I'm gonna be there. It's gonna be exciting. Can I ask you a question?
Okay, so in comedy, you know a joke is funny because the audience has an involuntary reaction they laugh, right? I mean there's a lot of times You'll see a comedian whose hilarious like a Brody Stevens or you know Brian Holtzman where the audience is maybe confused or you know Norm and Donald with the Bob Sagarose, but you know how funny it is but they're building some awkwardness intention whatever How do you know when a skate trick is cool? Wow, that's a life that's a life of studying because I don't you don't start out knowing they're cool like you'll Depending on what area you start in like I started in 1990 And so pressure flips were big and double flips and triple flips were big And so I have a soft spot in my heart for all these tricks that were deemed wack as shit I like that there's the Mount Rushmore of skaters that decide because comedians were kind of like that too in a way where It's like those are getting laughs, but we don't respect that You have to be cutthroat from the get go with I've always been cut cut but isn't it go back into my archives and see me do anything stupid? Oh, you can see my mind.
Yeah, no, can you just mention three of them? He was a mongo at first. I was a mongo. I'm glad that you got that.
But here's the thing I had to tell my bro. I told my nephew I had to send a video to my nephew who's like seven at the time like cuz he's pushed mongo and I was like play that for him So I did a demonstration in the parking lot of like dumb you are for doing that I know it's difficult at first, but you need to make the change. What is the equivalent in comedy? It's like being a prop comic is mine Yeah, yeah, okay, that was really quick because I was trying to say anyone has mentioned a name That's where I was gonna go comedian pushes my You figure that out It's more like it to me having such love for the game Yes is where style and selection of tricks comes from okay, like when you're this is like a thing where I don't want to sound racist But I'm leaving this there's no way this is gonna go Brazil Brazil resilience You know they come from a different place and when they do tricks They just do as many tricks as they can because they're really excited about being a power scape Mm-hmm enable do things on street where I'm like you're doing virtual on the street course and I know and you don't which is crazy That what you just did is unacceptable like there was a couple years there in ex games where there was some Brazilian guys We're doing kick-flip indies on the street course and I was like if I do a kick-flip in the on a vert man solid Also depending on how you do it if you kick-flip in the ball goes all the way over there And then you bring it on your feet it better be in a fucking contest right because if that's your actual kick-flip in the Don't talk to me is that like me doing a street joke in a special or something?
What's a street joke is like a joke that everybody you know kind of knows and tells like yeah And he's like I'm scared and the pedophiles like you're scared. I've got here alone. It's like street joke Yeah, yeah, I feel like you know that and there's like an old school way of doing jokes where I don't want to get I'm not gonna say people but there's like you know I mean there's a hickory dickery dark kind of a thing where if you do it now, it's like whoa wait You know what's happening these days like we don't do that no more like new cutting-edge humor and saving skateboarding where there's some people It's the thing has changed now where skateboarding is a lot more accepting it every of everybody Right, and I like it because I used to be a bully like but I was but it was coming from a good place I was a bully because I have passion you know if you do a trick where you where you're just doing it to make it I'm like have some respect for that front today Hey everybody Jason else Jason I'll show liquid death. I'm our owner of liquid death I invested in this company because I knew that it was gonna be huge now They've got it in Canada in Australia and they got it in Europe And now the police know that when a child has it that it's not a beer because it's water and it's in a can and then look at all These other companies trying to copy liquid death because they know liquid death is ahead of the game But it's all it's the first it's the original.
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It's called set list so check it out you guys But here's what I'll say if you're in it to be serious and be the best It's not always bullying its constructive criticism like you know Neil Brennan like you know He said things to me that I'm like that hurt out why he's such a bully and then I'm like I need to hear that Wow, I really needed to hear that the audience last was never gonna convey that I could have gotten away with this one thing forever and been really good Yeah, him telling me that I now know how to be great I need to tell me that and everybody's too afraid to give the feedback or they don't have to articulate it Yes, or like you're doing so well. Why would I give you any criticism? Can I ask what the thing was it was basically smile more? But it was it was more of like you know what you're saying is already you know Like what I was doing on stage it was basically like you could be less angry about it Do you know what I mean?
And I think for the longest time it's really hard to tell when you're out of the woods You know and when I started it's like I had to fight so hard to get respect and I'd fight so hard to get the audience's attention And then by the time I had it I hadn't updated my software on my status yet So I was still like coming out with this like I'm gonna wait yep I'm gonna when you guys over and you guys don't respect me and it was like no you got him you got no one's fighting I was a shadow boxing and it was just kind of like you can have fun up there You're allowed to have fun up there doesn't mean you don't fight every time you know And so it was like honestly such a gift because I didn't see the audience is like an adversarial relationship anymore You know It was just like this tiny little tweak that I really needed to hear but it made a big difference huge But my ego was like that was mean and blah blah blah and then later when I was able to like dissolve my ego and let it sink in Like that just changed my life. Wow. Yeah, like if you've forgotten like constructive criticism that felt like bullying and then later You're like oof that was such a good point. I mean for skateboarding.
Yeah, but for for comedy I just don't see it's a weird thing where I don't really see myself as comedian like I Was like the other day he did a set the car at the store that I was on I was standing up on the spot with Jeremiah And he walked up to me and he goes him and you're comedian as I'm trying to be And he's like I was like you've been on my show before he's like what show and I'm like oh I'm like it's Serious show and he goes wait you friends with that skateboarder guy like a real good skateboard I'm like Tony Hall you guys. Yeah, yeah, I'm like, yeah, I know you and then he walks off and I was like Like he was like he thought I was a comedian and then he realized I was a skateboarder It became less interested but I was like because at first I think he was like you're trying to be a comedian I'm gonna be supportive and I was like oh you're just you're trying to say hello to me because I'm charting me I'm a new comedian like he's like further in the sport and he's like oh you're Tony's friend like I think it was going I think it was going down that way either way I guess I like I like it this way because I don't know my feelings have never hurt right sometimes if I don't do that well I'm still low. I'm still yeah, I'm get cocky. That's like I have an ego that is a monster You said something when we first started I think it was off camera We were talking about you in finance about him like complaining about stuff like that's our nature all the time You know I mean like that we don't you know know any other way to see the world I've had to do so much work on myself to turn off my comedian brain when I'm just like what is this car?
Dude like it's the only way we know how to see the world and also you know We're not great at one-on-one interactions That's why we wanted to turn into a sphere where security guards removed you if you talk back like let me say what I need to say like You know and it's taking me a long time to realize it like sometimes we're not always people people you know So it takes a while to like sort of be able to navigate all that The personality or sleep orders not like that there aren't certain people that are kind of curmudgeonly and other ones are I get There used to be a lot more of that these days. It's really inviting like everybody is so Approachable and like welcoming the city and understanding it's believe it alone. Not everybody hits their head That's more of an old-school thing like the last of those guys is like Tony and myself where it was like But dudes in the 80s and 90s that were like if you got knocked out You were like what I get knocked out on and then you try and do that trick five minutes after you wake up Yeah, we didn't know yeah, yeah, like now. It's like dude you got knocked out you're done for the day Yeah, like maybe couple day maybe week it's like a week back in the day Which is so crazy because not that long ago.
It was like I got knocked out woke up on my hand shattered I'm like I'm in the contest give me some duct tape and everybody saw me do it and nobody was like jace Maybe maybe call it a night like it was it was like right you know I'd stick out of duty you got one more ride like you know It was just a mentality like Jake Brown the biggest slam ever in the history of skateboarding Hopefully nobody gets worse than that when he woke up. He said how many rides do I have left and I was like You're done for the day dude. He was like did I win like he's been all he's been back on the right In a way you did you won the most watched x games clip of all time You're using your highlight in the x games for years to come so ever you might as well have one in that regard Yeah, it's like the the the Mazvidal Ascarin right right there You're also have this community where you also are like helping each other when you're physically injured and watching out for each other Like I was just I wanted to redo my answer on the bill bar thing Like it's also wild to think these two alpha males are just in the same room I mean just on a primordial level It's just if you and burr were like in the back of the commister green room Like just watching alphas interact Green room I didn't know he was a surprise guest and I go into the green room upstairs and he's in there So I left because he was talking to somebody about his personal life I don't need to be a part of like this is inappropriate. Yeah, but when I went out after him I was like because people have said you kind of look like him.
I'm not very first of all I just got like a station favorite. I was like I know I kind of look like bill burt except if I was like molested by a football team Australia like that's the only difference Like that's one of those people like when I grew up skateboy like watch Antonio Where I was like that's what I want to be I don't want to be bill burr. I want to be a girl Burr I just want to be like yeah, he riffs the set up on the spot is riffing. Yeah I was like to do so I don't think comedians know necessarily how to like receive love and have like an intimate moment all the time So saying thank you to a compliment is I've only just started to we're not great at receiving.
I'll shine it I'll be I'll go thanks, but I'm really not listening. Yeah. Oh, yeah, thank you. Yeah, and I'm registering that you did say that I'm going you know You know calm down dickhead cuz I don't like that's what I was gonna say before my ego is embarrassing It's like a monster, you know like when things have got good at me and go good for me in the past I've become an asshole take grip to So I try to squash that guy all the time because I'm scared he's gonna show up and ruin things for me Like the people that I have around me now that I love and care for I don't want that guy coming out right right I mean myself and I rain you just don't want to action Yeah, like man.
I got like I don't kind of remember. I got video proof of me being a douche You know it's like why do you do that? It's like shit. I'm one of the great skateboarders.
Well, fuck everybody It's like Big I was like Okay, but also we were talking about this on the way over first I do want to say the compliment thing is hard because I do think in order to receive a compliment You have to agree with it on some level or else you think someone's just lighting you were fucking with you I mean so it's like if I'm like that was so funny in order to say thank you have to agree with it or else I'm being sarcastic Or like trolling you know when I said you're a genius you time now But then when I said you're more on after it you feel better When it comes to doing what you guys do I'm fascinated by this in comedy like being insecure is a really big part of our engine But then there's a point where you do need to start having delusional confidence like in order to look at a skateboard and go this This murder machine this desk trap in front of me I'm gonna do a flip and not die that takes a certain amount of delusional confidence and ego right there is There is a well I can't speak for everybody but can speak for myself is there's a really solid risk assessment and inventory of what I can do Factually and it's not a cocky thing, but it's more of like can you switch foot that yeah? I can it's not a cocky thing. I'm just being factual because I think it's actually more conceited and more cocky to go I do I suck I'm not even that good and you're right because I mean someone that's good and you really suck so you self-deprecating It's like obvious you've been doing this for so long you've achieved this pro status You've got like you won contest against the best people in the world you then are saying oh not even that good Which means that you know how good you are and then you're downplaying it because you're so good I have to downplay it you know what I mean? I did that like I I talked myself into being really good And then I was really good and I felt that it was a little bit embarrassing to be the guy in the room That was like I'm the best ever and then win the demo win the contest This is living in the shade where you I lived on an island where I was the best in that in that country So I have my little ego and my little like Australasian title four years in a row nobody could beat me No, and I wouldn't even have to practice I would just wipe the floor with everybody yeah, and then after party I'd be like morons You know I mean I bet everybody and then I do what's that playing it down you sound like an asshole You think that's part of the reason you became the best I used to say oh I suck you I mean like to chill the room I'd be like I you know do the best I came for being a dumbass and then I started to get worse at Skateboarding Okay, go back to being cocky because you're like falling off in contest.
Yeah, it wasn't it was it's like I Shit by myself too much, but then it was like but then I took this took decades where it's like you don't okay Don't maybe don't go walking over him and go. I am the king you morons There's probably somewhere in the middle there Right, but it was not it wasn't a Like everybody like I'm humble I'm happy for everybody made the best man win But you know what it comes down to what I'm probably going to win Well most of the guys that are that are in the Upper echelon of skateboarding most of them come from a town where they're the best they were the best one They were you right almost all of them and then they would all convene at like Tampa Am Right and you show up to like you would have that one verb contest and we would have that one street contest It was Tampa Am you go to Tampa Am after winning every contest in your area hands down super easy You go down to Tampa and be like I'm not good like I I was so good here So obviously the best and I came down here and there are like generational like stars are in there like where you're skating with Pee Rod mark up a yard called cannon like stuff on Janowski all the dudes Like like the difference is it's like totally if you are from an area where there's a there's a group of the best guys And you were like a little kid skating with them because to me I'm from Australia when I'm the first born Australian that was pro Whoa before before me there was no so you didn't have competition You know I mean there was people that were good But there was nobody there was a professional American skateboarder from Australia Wow the first one that went to Australia to America and then turn pro for an American company and Came back and like did all the things that American pros did in Australia and then and everybody in Australia There was like pros from Australia before that I'm the first one I ever got a check for being a pro It was hundreds of you, you know like I was like I run my town and I get to America The only difference was my ego didn't show up for that when I saw Tony Hawk in real life And then all these other people I saw like Jinx Jimmy Martin as a guy you wouldn't even know right at a rate And a mini-ramp that had hips and spines and there was hell yeah at the time I'd never seen a mini-ramp or a hip or a spine is that a gills no it was like some dudes back yard So I got off the plane when I got the plane did this into the juice that I got I see movies I seen Hollywood I seen beaches with chicks with tans and bleach blonde hair and I get out of LAX and I'm like Like I'm the thrill that I had from being at LAX You never have that through LAX ever The juice that it gave me like I said I did it I did a speech the other day in Inglewood for children at school for like 16 to 7 year old 17 year olds that are like troubled teens I don't get tattoos Struggling in school I was like you know I can barely read alright I have a New York Times best-seller book anything is possible I love that I put the work in but I told him I was like I came with a sleeping bag and I slept in a kid's playground And before anybody like I met some other pros that were like hey man Like you you're cool We had to crash at my house and then I started to have like a place to stay But the juice that I had from being at the airport made it easy to sleep in the kids playground the donut store because there was no such Things a donut store in Australia where you had a store that only sold donuts Yeah, and I was like and then I go in there and they're like here you get a box of them for like three bucks I'm like a box like you say like 12 like yeah, how much? Like 40 cents a donut get the fuck out of here. It was like every donut I said oh The juice that I had went for months Donuts individually in Australia with your family And they would have muffins and donut and it was a shit donut There's free healthcare there's less on healthy options They might have it now look I haven't they therefore over 20 years but there but I'm pretty sure they don't have the thing that we have here Which is just it's a donut store.
Yeah, and it's like so there's another one on the corner Sick donut stores now like Krispy Kreme thin I reckon there's probably a Krispy Kreme in Australia because if you had millions of dollars And you didn't open a Krispy Kreme in Australia You because that's I always used to say this when I was when I go back when I see I used to go back to Australia once a year And I was like I didn't make money. I was like Taco Bell You know me subway like all the things that they didn't have over there I was like open one and just bank it. This is America I did a place like subway will have a pedophile as a spokesperson and not take a hit You know subway has not taken a hit telling I both hate sub work He's good smell and like that how that the bread's got like Your mats in it like always see home says the whole thing about subway. Yeah, it's brilliant In New York what gets me especially when it's hot is there's a lot of underground businesses You can just be walking past a subway state like an actual subway train station You can smell I'm like not that's not what bread smells like first of all And it's like if I choose to I think it's very offensive if I choose to go into your store I'm signing up to smell your shit.
I would never go in your store leave me the fuck alone with your goddamn smell I'm a freak that never had a common fish you would be like a hundred yards away and be smelling that your car or whatever it was So I'm obsessed with that sounded like a weird cut wasn't cut just my Repotism I'm obsessed with the personality of people that do certain things especially masochistic things and now that I'm in authority on all Things skateboarding The one thing I don't know what is the personality difference or is it just like a geographic location difference of skaters that choose to Do vert versus skaters that you see can I just say how adorable it is? How much you love us because you love him? This is fucking you guys are becoming like you look furry to me I mean, I love furry things. I really love you too Like two little rabbits you'd gay It's true what is the day like what?
Seriously, I look like you really interested in my seat But I'm curious why we get along so well because I've never been in a relationship where it was so locked step philosophical like same place When I work really hard I have to do spots you're gonna go to another spot You know because they board like yeah, we do it until we get it. You know just I know you I feel like just judging by the way you talk about yourself that you've gone through a lot and I know I've listened to you on how it's done back in the day when I was on stone you've been through a lot and you're at a point now because it to me it's like I've been in a lot of relationships I mean I'm at my step now where I have to make an amends and most of the people on my list is only people that I had a relationship with Yeah, because they really tried to speed with me and I feel sorry for them all because I just wasn't there I was like I'm no when you fix myself So how the hell can I help you and I feel like you're in a spot now and Chris is at a spot now where you're older You're wiser. You've realized you've made some mistakes You're willing to accept that sometimes it might be your fault and you can apologize for things And now you're like I'm in a relationship now where I don't like we have like quarrels But we just say it. Yeah, and it's like I also if you say to me like I'm doing something that might be wrong I go Am I okay?
Let me analyze that yeah. Wow. Wow Would never it made me realize you know a couple things number one being with an equal is I think always very important because if you don't Respect somebody you're not gonna you're not gonna listen to them when they say like it was shitty that you did that You know like what you're you about judgment why would I like it? Right if Chris is ever like that hit me sideways.
I'm like oh my god You would never lie you're the most honest person I've ever met you're so generous I know that you hate fighting and you don't have like a mean bone in your body So like you must be right like my default is I trust you know and I'm obsessed I'm sorry. This is whatever my ass burger's I functioning autism whatever I'm obsessed with like why people are great at what they do especially really hard dangerous things like stand up emotional danger I mean I guess there's some physical danger in Stand up now that Will Smith is out there just knocking out comedians and I know I know notice that will Smith did not come for you a Rogan right somebody said it to me a club before when I was On the road like man, what happens if there's a heckles like don't worry about it. I got you I only do it to people they know that they can you see the Jeffries one right? Yeah, I think that was an Australia.
Okay, you're right So I'm kidding I'm kidding I'm kidding I'm obsessed with what because he you have to have a very good relationship with the truth in order to be good at skating right? He's one of the most honest people I've ever met like to a fault like sometimes I didn't even hear that like it's really honest with the thing also But like you have to be honest in self-aware to know whether you can hit the landing on Wallenberg I Skater be a lot you're and be good at skating comedy You cannot be too delusional or a liar and be good at comming you have to have a really good inventory like you have to know Like you like you'll ask people that you trust what what what am I perceived like this way? You don't do a caricature of yourself. You want to know it's like we do a really good inventory of of what we actually have Rather than like it goes into compartments like some people are kickflippers some people are heel flippers Some people very few have both switch it back Right very few have both and it's like to know where your strength fly is the only way that you're actually going to pick a trick And get it done at the spot that you go to especially if you haven't been practicing that trick You have to be pretty real about like I'm about to do some on on the job learning right now But you get the weight in comedy I succeeded a lot by doubting myself and having low self-esteem I had to change that later when it was no longer serving me but going like that suck that wasn't good even if I got Nipalas break I'm like good I've been better I cheated I was like phony like I got credit for things I'm not doing any but that will serve you really well You just have to be able to turn it off when you leave work, you know because any guy that comes up stage is like nailed it You're like okay.
Well, I'm getting better at that. I also don't mind I If I don't do well and it burns I know from my skateboard career that it's okay to let it burn Because that is the passion like when I don't do as good as I expected to do I'm not gonna penalize myself to the point Where I'm sad for two days like I used to be smart now I will be sad for an hour can you usually figure out why things didn't go? Happened in Philadelphia this weekend tell me I have been doing open mics and I did a couple jokes recently where I'm watching What other comedians do you film it then you watch it and you see people laugh at the certain things and you go right? That's worth using and I got cocky I got to fill it I was like I'll do this new joke into this new joke and then I'll go into some of my other stuff and They're not perfected in any way and then I was talking to Catherine about like adding a thing right before I went out And I forgot the punchline to it and some of the things that I did in it I'm doing open mics in an alleyway with six people watching and some of the comics that were laughing were laughing because there's Six fucks and the joke that I had was it wasn't funny.
It was just sick and they laughed at it That's worth doing and when I did it didn't work and then the next one I did instead of going back to my old material I did another thing that didn't it didn't bomb. Yeah, it just didn't fire off like I was just emotionally dyslexic So I know I killed if I come up stage and none of the comedians say that was funny Well, you know, I mean so if I kind of eat shit people like that was great That was awesome like they take comfort in the fact that I kind of failed But if I like murder come up stage like how are you like it won't be addressed? You know, I mean that's so funny so if comedians are laughing at jokes that really you know for the first couple years I was doing stand up I was definitely going super dirty first all just like neuter myself in a way or to feel tough for something when I felt vulnerable Or scared but also because the comedians are back with laugh and I was like oh if open my comics are laughing This must be funny the audience must not know anything and then I went oh no they love that I'm failing Yeah, and when I started killing they wouldn't talk to me or laugh, you know, but after I felt really bad And he my girlfriend told me off the ledge. It was also very honest about it Like I think I think other people like no, it wasn't as bad as you think and it's like okay wasn't your best You just started it and I was like, oh, I was hoping for somebody to lie and just tell me that it was actually good And I just didn't realize the crowd was totally I'll do that.
Yeah, it wasn't it whatever it was it was a huge learning curve Like you this is something you've been you've gotten so successful so fast in comedy that some of these moments where you really like it's like You know when I take a thing. Yeah, totally. It's seared in Right don't do that. It's sometimes it has to be that bad in order for it to really lock in the mouth And you're not gonna make that's funny because it's gay boy.
That's every trick I've used to say this every trick I've ever done in skateboarding on for I've eaten shit on It's like even the most basic like this was a body Chris I rocked the fakey one time I was just in my own head totally totally I'm gonna drop on a rock to fake and and fell all the way back and ate like total shit and I'm gonna get up and go on Okay, I believe I've eaten shit on every trick I've ever done because that's a lot of you fucking serious Well, no I just took off my headphones and I just did crazy no, but it's so I'm a skate efficient Yeah, so what's funny about what you said about the way the the skate efficient auto and the tricks that you do being like You're not gonna do the wack shit. I've taken it upon myself to try to do them all I want to catch them all and so it's like even the grossest like half cap double heel flip I want it right I want to have done it once I don't need to do it because there's already enough tricks that you learn over a career That you that you have in the cloud you have to redownload right you don't have it downloaded right now Yeah, but you got the blueprints and so you need a couple goes and you re-learn it and redownload from the cloud right but There are those other tricks that are I have done. I can't do like 720 triple flip I'll do it. I don't need to have it I need to have done it one time and I love doing that even if it's disgusting even if it's the nastiest shit I want it just so I can say like it is so much impossible.
That's that's a good idea I love that can I do a question. When did you two meet? Both say at the same time Meetings this people means where when you're both pro and you're a bird guy and he's a street guy We don't usually link up when he gets a certain level in the game. It's a head nod Yeah, I mean like it's always me no one Chris and Chris no one Jason It was yeah, and then we were off because I'm like you probably don't want to know me dude I'm a bird guy first probably thinking the same thing.
I know the first time. What did you think of him before you met? I know the first time we spoke with a Tony thing right? Yeah, is that the Tony thing?
It was about 11 years ago of years ago. It was Tony Hawks silent auction stand up for skate parks at the Green Acres of State in Beverly Hills Yeah, that's where the godfather the horse had seen the exterior was Inside but when they hear him scream and you see the outside of the house That's the that's the dimension up in Beverly It was like a famous place. Yeah, I never knew what from us. Yeah, so we were he was into things that I didn't know he was into Yeah, we were he was seen off it, but I Madeleine stuff where I'm talking about because I didn't see I saw street dudes as not I'm for a bird guy I'm I'm a holly like I'm a maniac.
Yeah, you're definitely early Metallica albums and I'm more of like the black album Like the way you skated and everything it was just like Jump at the fire, you know, and I was definitely more of a running Rome sort of yeah But same thing that I say same there like the Bilbar of you You imagine if someone that was doing skating, you know for a little doing skating a little while came in you'd probably Hey, you're like, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah in that in that area. Yeah, I was definitely you would have paid the same Well, I just look I'm from an area where when I became one of the best skateboarding tied So there was a there was a time there where I was easily tough five bird dude in the world and I made no money Oh, I'm telling hope was making like fifteen hundred bucks a month and he was the greatest skateboarder alive. Yeah Dead But vert was big dead so like there was street dudes that could make a little bit of a living But just a little bit if you were a vert dude you were fired Why did this happen because vert was so popular in the 80s and it was time for a transition the magazine started to put streets That getting demolished so there was like all the like Delmar Apple and all these ball and all these famous skate parks But those so there was no shit for them to ride Street's getting came from where I relate to believe is these vert dudes were kicked out of the skate park and they were skating the curb in the parking lot Yeah, that's where I was I was in the nardeses and the gonzers and all these people started doing like really creative cool shit and being vibrant cool People just to watch and talk like my console is still to me one of the greatest humans It's ever lived like just listening to the man talk you're like are you fucking really a human cuz I'm Robbie Mullen like what the fuck Seriously who who makes who made you yeah, you know and it's very that's a rare thing and then all the sudden streets came became Don't be in a contest. Don't you know go to a handrail like like Neil Blender was like before his time Neil Blender was like a person that was like I don't answer to you I don't answer anything that any of you do I will do a video part where I skate a bank that has six inch transition and two foot Of a and it's been days on it and just do every truth that no one could give a shit about yeah Because I don't care what's popular.
Yeah, I'm an an aboard like it was he was he was an artist It was an artist that picked skateboarding He is as one of the forms as one of the forms of his art and also There's there was something to the fact that like for you know a decade pretty much you were watching You were watching a ramp and so to see an urban landscape in different places each clip There's like a different background and there's cars going by and it's like there's a hustle and bustle it created this new excitement I started skating then so I was obsessed with skateboarding for two years didn't have a skateboard was asking for a skateboard Got a skateboard two years ran out front of my house like I got it where's everybody and I looked around and there was nobody there So I skated I Miss guy Jason McCowan. He lived five doors down for me. He played drums in like a punk band He went to Danzig concerts. He had a Zorlack board the Metallica Zorlack with the Crimson Ghost as his grip tape like cut into pieces just a huge Crimson skull and and he taught me how to Ollie and I then skated out front of my house for two years completely alone first year out front of my house didn't even go around the block Second year went around the block to the other side of the neighborhood I mean you were not all of it But that's a thing that helped you like if you start with nothing because that's the thing that helped me You start by yourself and then when you got a little bit better than you found another person to skate with made it more exciting So I found another thing an obstacle that was actually built for skated You'd already done all these you skating nothing so it's more exciting It like it helped you like you had because it's gonna be a level of tolerance when you first out skateboarding skate the skateboard hates you It gives you love it.
It gives you nothing it makes you feel like nothing and you'll never conquer it But if you if you that's the thing that I got from it though I use everything I do like comedy you bomb nobody cares I'm hanging out with you in the green room in the commie store and then I leave and I do comedy in front of four people in Allie way and I'm like I'm just at Ellis. I'm like you don't come into two people one of them's not listening You know everybody cares at all and I'm like yeah, we'll see my sometimes you get more out of those sometimes you get more out of those It's our job. It's like, you know, I don't know if you guys are into surfing whatever But it's like I do think that comedy I know be nice. I know that comedy I believe it's a little bit like surfing but you have to make waves yourself So it's like you're making this momentum and then you have to ride it I mean so it's like how do you get that sort of like rhythm going and that hypnosis?
You know, it's also kind of like boxing I think too you can't be there Or a second behind and a lot of times yet a lot of times you're like queuing out for a combination That's not gonna pay off for the two minutes And it doesn't show up at first and you keep coming and then all of a sudden all like you when you start doing a Computer download thing. There's a thing where you know, I've been boxing for 15 years. I'm 50 man Like it's not supposed to learn stuff But every now and then in boxing these days especially from being sober I'll start to like get a footpad and where I'm like and then I'm the chess match where I'm like I've never known this chess match Like I come in and you hit me I hit you and now I'm like I'll fake and then I see that you lift that hand if I fake So if I make you fake that hand then I'll go to this side and fake the other side and then I'll go down Over to I'm actually gonna go up high and I'm doing all these steps in front like you're doing stand up where I'm like that person over there It's looking funny and while I'm telling this joke that I'm gonna add a little joke to it But I'm definitely gonna go over there and talk that person about the shoes But you're in the back of your mind listening to all that happen and you're like am I? Is my brain really doing that many things because I did show with you the first only to show with you still the most nerve-wracking thing I've ever done in my entire life to be 13,000 By the way how wild our brains are I'm not gonna over-pathologize myself, but I thought you didn't like me because I was like Oh, this will be so great.
I'll come to the show and then we were in the green room together and I was like oh I was like I was like maybe something's I'm lame I was like 1,300 people the last set I did a set I'd be doing it for about a year at the dime bar So it's like eight people I figured out how to do 10 minutes Brian's sickle at love you Brian's sickle I've got me to do a show at Brea improv he had six hundred people there and my knees wouldn't stop shaking the whole time I did my 10 minutes okay Whitney DMS me I've met her but I don't know her and she said hey I said you don't come he's gonna do a show me I was like yeah I'm gonna say no but yeah And then it's like a theater and I'm like a theater and I was in a theater I'm like oh I'm not ready and then Tony's like hey man like I'll come and I'm like I don't want my friend to watch me I'm like this is even worse I know you're okay I'm like even if he's not funny he's a masochist and whole show I'm doing But in the green room I'm thinking oh yeah, can you remember what your jokes are so like she's okay how's it going? I'm like I gotta talk about the thing I don't forget the thing and she's like so you're having been doing it I'm like I can't I was just racking you know what you're saying yeah the whole time I'm like envious that she's like bubbly and excited about life and not Thinking about her upcoming six I'm like aren't you nervous it's your show are you gonna remember what you're gonna say? But now you know we're better now you see like when you see you're in the green room and it's like everybody That's about to go up is kind of like like you they kind of separate a little bit They start talking last they're trying to they're trying to like think about like how they're going to walk out what it's gonna be like out there You're notorious for for we talked about it the past week She's done with you And just goes go Doesn't does the same thing he's like wanking on to people and he's like oh now and then he goes out and destroys it And I'm I'm in the exhibit when I see that I go but I mean I like getting pumped in really like I usually get up and start pacing And I'm because I'm gonna be high energy and if I stay low in the green room and come out I might be low at the start and I look like prick I gotta be approachable when I come out like I got a game plan And I'm like you're new you know me. I love this.
I'm full of fucking energy about it I want to come out be like fuck like I look I my part my thing is like I want to be funny But I also want to leave I want people to learn something I know it's crazy because I'm not educated, but I do know it's a shit Jason I know some shit about life. I'm trying to be funny But I also want people to go you know what give me one that bad because I know that there's always somebody in the crowd That's thinking that and then there's also some bad depression and addiction and being sober where I know I'm out I'm free. I want to tell you about it. You want to share the treasure that you found?
Yeah, I want you to get a fucking die. Are you dressed like this when you're sometimes More than ever you really learn something from high hope you'll bar More gold teeth for my grill bird really land It's happening like as soon as I make the money it's all cuz I have the face I'm a little too much. I am too much. I think that I love that that should be the name of your next book your special I think I had a pilot HBO called a lot that was like I am a lot I don't if you don't fuck with this you're a little and like I'm not gonna make myself I'm not your little thing is about before going on.
I think everyone's got like whatever their process But I think the key is the day the show I try not to talk to anybody so that I'm so like you know I can't wait to talk I can't wait to connect with people So it's not an effort and then part of talking to people before I go on is that I want it to be like I want to throw myself off I want to throw myself off so I don't go out and do the same show I want actually like you know sometimes I'll come out and I'll have like something I'm gonna say there's a brand new Joker observation my bomb that my kill but I want to throw myself off Yeah, that's yeah to start without a plan it I find accidentally has really worked like they make me Moment and it makes me not go I'm gonna put on the show for these people especially with podcasting now people expect a conversation They expect you to be present I think they would rather you be present and connected to them then having applause break joke for each joke I think they'd rather you be there because then when you start going into this like roped thing that works before it's like Sex or anything, you know, I mean, it's just like I just feel like you're going through the motions Like I paid money like I have experience with you so to me It's more about connecting but I do like flustering myself a little bit because I know that my like type a brain Will go into like let me make the show perfect and the more you try to make it perfect the less connected you are It's funny. It's like is that how he is What was your what was your take on Chris before you Say for people to know Chris he's actually you're very like Like by the way, you know that I saw him say for the first time a week ago. Yeah Yeah, what do you mean on in person wait you're saying that when you first met him you didn't realize how good a skateboard Was not you made I know so little about getting and I'm gonna get in trouble here I he's such a husky burly man like a filled-out dude. I thought skaters were like skinny wiry vegans that like were I don't know Airwalks watch it.
That's just what I'd seen. I know a comedian's were just a bunch of skinny like receding hair line angry white guys Fair and then you get in and you're like, oh wait, that's not true fair I think it's just when you look at people like you. You're so big. You're like it would be two dangerous to skate with Right, right?
I didn't understand so yeah, see me I didn't realize how you know barely dry my left foot when I get out of the shower right now He's like well, he can't be really successful because if he fell it would be devastating So she thought it was like oh good for him like good for him like he loves you morning, but like good for him I wonder what he like does, you know So good that you have a thing you can do that's not gonna you know injury all the time when he's healing from injuries But like he's got woodworking and I saw him he was showing off his axe that he had made and a box And I was like oh, he's like a woodworker who like just gave yeah any man That is attracted to a female comedian as a radical feminist Funny this is wild. I was like this is the nicest person I've ever met you came over He was getting a tattoo a snake tattoo and he came over and took my trash out He that's not a metaphor the garbage and then he started waxing my all this sounds sexual I'm seeing waxing my cutting boards and just fixing the things in my friend like I tightened up all the knobs like he's so funny To me like he kills me. Yeah, like you don't believe me. I swear I do see a lot of identity made several jokes I didn't mean to you know what we need I have a similar experience He didn't fuck me, but he when I met him I was like street dude Whatever like any one of the best dudes and I'm like you're a nerd like you're not such a nerd But he but he he said things that Within whatever because I'm gonna hit my head a lot But I remember like from the night that we hung out from there on out whenever I saw Chris I would go over and hang out with him because Chris is alright and I know from me back then it was like there was very Few skateboarders that I would consider that you know I was surprised it was somebody hung out.
It was like everything you said I was like No idea like this whole time you were And this is what comments do I think sometimes it's like you know I assume if I had known he was any more successful I would not have been interested at all like I've never wanted to date someone in the public eye or like famous I'm really I'm so funny. I think it works better because you're both now So I accidentally stumbled into this it is kind of the life hack especially when you are forward-facing and you have vampires and people from your Past that are trying to exploit you and hurt you and you know use the court of public opinion to try to destroy you We both have that and to talk about that with someone that hasn't experienced it It just sounds like you're bragging or you're asking for pity for something that is like you know a champagne problem or something Like that's a weird thing because these days more than ever if there somebody does accuse you of doing something that isn't cool The public is just so quick to have a hardcore one side of the other opinion where it's like do you know the person? If you met either one of the people and it's like yeah, man, but trust me They are fucked up and I'm like what are you basing it on and it's like no one no one will even list have listen to the argument It's just like no I've made up a mind. He's a piece of shit or she's a piece of shit That's it that's the count gets me otherwise.
I'm like where did you get it from well one time on Twitter? I saw someone say and I'm like did that look we're talking about someone's whole life here They're whole like try to try to try because that's it. I've lived in so many different people's shoes It's easier for me like old me would have been like yeah trash that person straight away But I've had people say things about me where I go whoa, I mean I am an asshole, but that's not true That's crazy and I'm like wow people have said a lot of people What happens when you believe that when someone when you're like yeah The person is a shit it usually means you're insecure it You said you used to do that to people same You're you need to judge someone else you need to make a snob judgment You need to say someone's a piece of shit because in comparison it makes you feel you know You must be better, you know When we so I think that whenever people in the court of public opinion that do go oh yeah that person said that thing in the court Of public opinion which by the way people go to the court of public opinion because they know they wouldn't win in court Do you mean so if something happens illegal that is illegal you go to court okay? And then for people that say like well, I'm not gonna go to court because I'm causing money not if you're telling the truth It won't so if you go to the court of public opinion what you're saying probably is not you know Based in any kind of reality or truth because you're going to the people you know that are addicted to self-righteous You know and the people that you know want to Basically lambasted the people feel better about themselves So I do have compassion for those people when someone sees something on the internet that's not true enough out in reality Just you know someone's trying to destroy someone else like yeah that person is an asshole like it's harder because I'm like I know what you're doing I did that when I was insecure too It made me feel better to think someone was an asshole You know it made me go like you must not be a tool piece of shit because you've never done that you know And it's a great distraction from all that you have to do and all you have to worry about and it's like somebody made the decision for me Like I can just I can just go black and white yeah that person's out and then move and then be like ah Like something new to focus on instead of the instead of your boss as an asshole instead of like that friendship You may have outgrown that friendship and you don't want to you know give them a call for that barbecue You have but like you know it's gonna be awkward like whatever you're avoiding in the day Yeah, it's also like you know So we bonded so deeply on that because it's been so hard like you know for people that aren't the public eye to sort of understand When someone has like a vendetta and just wants to ruin your life It's I think when you're forward-facing and someone that wants to be famous or get clout like and they can't do it on their own They're gonna go like let me attack someone that does have it and I'll get some relevance that way or whatever it is You know and then we also like because comedy and skateboarding do have so many Interesting like adjacent lanes, right?
There's so many character traits that you end up like she had a completely different life and a completely different Job but somehow we learned the same lessons Yeah And then we get together with the same value system and the same things that we hold value in and like our love languages or whatever And then also like what causes what causes us to feel happy and fulfilled all lines up And so it was like oh, this is like a really weird situation where we just kind of like all these things are like a yeah And the things that kind of made us and I'm curious if this is the case for you as well I'm learning more about you as we get closer But like the things that make me go to what I do it's hard to say that I know and embarrassing about and think what makes him very what he does is you don't give up on something impossible You know, it's like whatever Wallenberg you hit it you go. Well, I'm now one failure closer to making it I said you hit it, you know, and you just go oh you just keep trying you just keep hurting yourself until I get it same I just need to try that joke again. I need to try it again And in relationships, especially toxic relationships that are not working you can't do Wallenberg with a person You know, it's crazy is there was a time there where I've always had that determination I had a tattoo on my back I got it when I was like 19 and it's helped me get through a lot of stuff and you can't see it But when it came to relationships, I never pointed that ability at relationships like making adjustments You know, like if I'm trying to trick and I can't make it if you try it like a hundred times And I'll tell the Christmas notice as well as I do. I've done three days or I've tried the same trick for three days I get there a warm up.
I try I don't make you a relationship with three days No, but I've been what I'm gonna finish What you have to do I longer if you're not sleeping I Will start to try doing it in a different way you're gonna knock over that coffee I will start to try doing different techniques to make the trick work in relationships I would just bang my head against the wall over and over again with the same outcome and go What what's wrong with this person and then it took many mistakes and divorces to go? Okay, the pattern I see is you Your other problem, but it's not them They're saying the same thing when we leave and we get divorced or say the same thing that the other ones said You know, you need to learn you need to make adjustments You need to accept your faults and start fixing them But first you gotta face them like and because I have this thing in skateboard I'm a tough coach. You're a piece of shit You fucking weak prick fucking get up and go and it's like you're not a weak prick You're not a piece of shit. I made a mistake you can make an adjustment You're still a good guy like this You can do this if you just if you do it go about it a different way relearn it dude This whole thing a different way and it's like you already knew that but you never could do it in the thing That is like I skate all the time.
I thought so not scared fucking always been a relationship I want to love somebody and I want to be loved and you're just doing the same do it one Well, you know, I have such a lot of people like Jesus dude. Well, I doesn't work that way But sooner or later will no it won't well I think that what what also happens is you go like you do the small tweaks to a skate trick to try to make it Eventually, you'll probably land it right But you never took a second to be like tweaking it and then realize that you're actually surfing and not skating And you go oh because you never you never gave the thought to let me back up Maybe we're not right for each other. Yeah You know, maybe we've gone value the same things and this is an impossible task Here's the difference with the vert skating is when you ask the question about Virgin Street And this is not for all st. Virgin Street comparisons But in both skating when you're doing something that's really big which is mainly what I would do the miss if you make a big mistake You get really hurt so there's like this other thing that involves like a Fear like I want to do the trick.
I've got to think about doing the trick I've got to think about the technical aspects of making the trick but also there's this big Beast that's involved like the mega ramp stuff you there's difficult technical tricks you can do a mega ramp if you do it wrong You can kind of die like not die pretty close like Jake. I've only died Yeah, so we can die on that thing so there's like this adrenaline. It's cool. I love it I don't don't get me wrong, but it's also like I don't want this adrenaline my whole life like I'm in war.
There's anxiety where it's like I'm gonna go and they're like good Like even when I ride vert now like 52 2055 like when we're like trying to do something that's like head-high That's like hard. It's like hey man good luck, you know because it's like we're borderline if you like hey you're kind of stupid I'm not even argue with you. I'm like I know right like this is like the risk reward is like if I make this would be pretty cool for who Like Nice and then that's like but that's also like you know like when I did a day and Tony wasn't there for it He just goes dude like I'm almost here in my hotel room because he knows what I What I did was for me my level and how old I am Yeah, I'm supposed to be made again, dude You don't skate enough to make that country about 5,000 people on you know social media saying that was awesome That was awesome when you feel that until Tony texts that's what it matters. It's no respect all that I'm super happy that that is a thing that happened.
I love that people like man. You're inspiring me to skate at your age I love that that's awesome, but Tony's you know I've I just I did that kid that guy since I was like a little kid. He's a god to me Yeah, and now he's a friend of mine who I know he loves me. That was the other thing This is a weird thing I said one time I did a 360 very well his rent just meet him skating and I hadn't done one for 20 years And I was on the ramp and I was getting emotional I was like I love you man and I'm chucking up and he didn't say anything and I was like I get it like you know What we're dudes and then it was like two weeks later I did that show with you and when I was walking off the stage after I did the set He jumped in my back and I didn't know who it was and I was like what the fuck and he said he loved me And I was like this is the gayest shit you and I will ever do ever But I knew it was like he couldn't say that the ramp so pretty we got me back where he meant it felt he could do it right there But it was like I know he does and it's like there's a respect thing where he made skateboarding and skateboarding made me and he's Such an ambassador and such a great example of a human being and skateboarding what it's done for me and all the people in the world And it all coming together and like I'm gonna die you know like I don't know And I don't It's also Incredible that like I know we probably talked about this But you've definitely thought of it But like how incredible is it that you just so happen to be born at the time that Tony Hawk is is alive And you get to watch him skate and now your friends with him like the Tony Hawk is alive in this time period And I just happen to be there fucking nuts I was in a contest my father paid for me to be in the contest the ramp right in Australia And I was late to qualifying so they put me in the fourth heat with Tony Hawk and Tony Hawk is standing on the ramp And I'm standing next to him and my little brother and my dad are filming me with a camera And I'm like and I'm like and you can see my face that I'm in or that he's standing next to me And like at one point I'm looking at him and he looks to my direction And I immediately look away because I can't get eye contact with the great Tony Hawk and it's like at this point It's like it's like a It's not real.
It's like a it's like a fantasy. There are certain people that I still fan out on every time I see him Eric Austin, Guy Mariano, Mark Johnson, Rodney Mullen, Tony Hawk, you just go whoo man We had dinner, we had dinner with Tony the other night we faced that Yeah, but you were a little like Yeah, you should be you have to be it's like that Yeah, we're if you want yeah, yeah, like skateboarding owes like if they owe anybody they owe Tony Hawk and Rodney Mull Those are the the two dudes like and it's just like we owe them everything It's not it's nowhere close to what it is without those two people And because you've got what you've got from skateboarding I've got what I've got from skateboarding and then also the things that you've passed on to millions You might you don't know it But there are millions of people that you've influenced the skate and then travel the world and have the joys that you and I have had on the road without other brothers and sisters of skateboarding Yeah, those two trigger all of it Totally, you know, we owe them just like our favorite our favorite musicians You know, like like Joe Perry, right Joe Perry gives it up to Muddy Waters or to you know, BB King or anybody of the old blue stuff But that didn't really hit you as much Like these kids that watch me now the Rodney Mullen Tony Hawk era doesn't hit them as much as my era with P-ROT and things like that Hit them, that's what we talk and we go hey Look it look back. We have to check it out. It's worth watching That's better than we are like as far as athletes go like you think like dude I mean they just keep getting better and better as far as athletically goes No, they don't the humans do not get better athletically We are we are if anything we are equal to the dudes that were skating in the early 90s doing like with 39 millimeter wheels doing back I have a joke him my said Tony Hawk where I talk about how there's the time they were I competed against him And after the contest he would win and I would be lucky to get top 10 And then he would stay on the ramp and continue to skate and I would go get cocaine and hookers Right because it was the 90s and I got top 10 in the world and like if you got top 10 in the world You got cocaine and hookers like that's what I was that was the prize person I never look at him and on the ramp and go on He's looking at any cocaine if he stays up there And then looking at their part of my Look at back there.
I'm like there is no Jason Ellis pro skater You know, I'm like I feel like that might have had something to do with the decisions of doing cocaine and hookers after it But then I say I mean the game I'm gonna say out of that to the game Hiring hookers radical feminist giving a woman money supporting a woman paying for sex Thank you a lot of men are not doing it and they're just doing these transactional things where they know it's gonna be that dynamic And they don't pay you finance someone's daughter's college education the first time I've ever received a compliment for getting a process Love you. Can I ask three questions? I know you do but I have these questions that I want to know number one Do you think because I look at a lot of skateboards and comedians and I see that they you know have rough personal lives Whether it's you know his dad left so even though he was in something that you know didn't work He's like I'm not gonna leave like my dad left You don't leave I think the way you said earlier about the therapy about skating being therapy for you And I'm sure you do too you didn't hit a bottom enough to go to therapy actual therapy soon enough Do you know what I mean? It's like comedy for me in a lot of ways I was able to work out my feelings and get you know the validation I needed for people corroborating my reality by doing stand-up right because I always thought I was invisible and crazy and then I would say something on stage people laughing Okay, so I'm not crazy So I didn't actually go work on myself because that was like a band aid that was keeping me Oh yeah, the success of skateboarding if I well the different aerosols how to go to therapy back then but like it's it's more of a Acceptable thing these days like when I came from old school like my father's like if you go to therapy or gay but Nothing yet the success That I would do that like if I had have not been if I had to go to pay off from all the hard work in skateboarding It would have been I would have been quicker to go.
Okay, you've got problems Right, right because I was like a problem child a frustrated scared little boy And I pushed all that energy into skateboarding skateboarding paid off like even when there was a bad the era of like you didn't make a lot of money I was still one of the coolest people in my little world So I need therapy like I was I an asshole did I neglect people did I treat women like in a way that they didn't deserve because I wasn't thinking about their emotions or hell yeah I can't even remember it like I was just like yeah, I'm like I'm having sex with some girl in the road and then I go I think I love you and I'm like wow that's retarded and then I go off and say but somebody else I'm breaking people's hearts and not Understanding that I'm doing it. There's something wrong without person to that thinks they're in love you after one that's not Still they would it like yeah, but you can't change them, but you can change you that's it and I could have just said look that's crazy You know like I'm definitely probably not gonna reach out to you again or even before it happens just so you know I'm gonna do this. They just don't make as much as you think they do Well then what about now how are they now? It's it's it's weird skateboarding is bigger than it's ever been but there's like a big cloud of money that floats above And some people are getting it, but it's a very few amount like let's say there's probably 20 skaters in the world that make a good living Yeah, and everybody else is just getting right because I know a bird guy like Jimmy Wilkins to me is One of the greatest orders alive amazing.
He doesn't make a lot of money Right, and I just think because because people don't appreciate vert skating and it's it's been it's high time It flipped. I don't want street dudes to not make money. I just want vertudes I don't want to hear the sub-story for like what we're talking 30 years now where vertudes don't get paid and I'm like what look what they're doing Because it's it's sponsorships, right? It's not cool.
We only want we ride one ramp and we compete This as I said earlier street dude cannot compete. It's actually cooler to not compete If you are creative and you have great artistic photos and videos where the backdrop and the trick you're doing is stunning And then that is like real money people buy your shoes. Yeah, Jimmy Wilkins can't sell a shoe because there's only there's only I love it, but because I've got another job, but we're dead. We're ninjas with a lot of a dying breed It sounds like what it is what's really what's the commodity to what you do is that you're selling a lifestyle and there's so there's So many facets of the lifestyle that you can sell as a street scater There's only one lifestyle that you're selling as a first-gater I'm on this ramp isn't the coolest lifestyle There's like a there's real injuries in I You can get just as worked on that you can't unvert But you don't do 12-step rails in the first three years of your skateboarding in vert you're dropping in the first three years And now you're doing like 35 mile an hour if you do it wrong You get knocked out you know what's also there's just way more street skaters than the rubber skaters because of because So there's there's so many more people that you market to as a street skateboarder And then those video parts like for a long time in the 90s Right like every team had to have one token bird dude like you had vert covered if you had one person like um Like mad circle had toss poppas, right?
Yeah, we all we're looking for the team the team that didn't have a Team that didn't have a bird guy and then the fast forward button we called the vert button because you'd be fast forward in the bird Everybody fast forward at our pot Can you tell me and I just met your new gal who I texted with already. I love her her pupils are the correct size I love everything about her. I'm obsessed with her. I walk in there's a there's 25 dogs There are two legs 25 dogs.
There's honey and a big bucket and not even a sexual thing just for health I'm obsessed with her how can people that love you and love him for the right reasons and don't want to hurt him He hasn't really been in a lot of those but um how do we Support your need to jump off buildings and do all these things But not sorry micromanager try to control you because we're scared you're gonna get hurt and we're gonna lose you Do you feel that way with him? Yes, because I know he has to do this thing and now that I know he's really good at it which People come up to him and they're like you're my hero your wife does that make it feel better? Do you know that he's really good at it? Because it's a safety like is it's you think you think you think you think you would if you thought about it But hold on hold on I see we're going with that but also when you are really good You know you're good at the demands get higher the demands get higher your um you might not be as humble to You're you're back being perpendicular to your pelvis I don't know because the job needs to get done.
Here's how I say it is. It's just to several people look it's dangerous Yeah, right I get it. I could get hurt. I could take it you can take it.
I won't die That's all you need to worry about the way you just said that to me is so That's what I need. Can you say that to me? He's definitely just look around your head But does something else happen when you start skating less like what am I in for when you start skating less now is he gonna get into He's not he's not even if you're like a drug guy or like they're gonna turn to that. He's not that Human being yeah, he's a businessman like he'll evolve and be more creative in other we have to check I cannot stop being a comedian.
I cannot stop thinking about jokes I know that that's the thing that I have to I have to have one of those things because if I've lost skateboarding I dabble I go down there and I play we find I didn't get hurt today. Yeah, or sometimes I fall and get really hurt doing too much I posted on Instagram and it's embarrassing. This is okay. This is my life.
So comedy is like I've loved it Yes, you have to because I have that skateboarding doesn't burn that I can't do it By the way, running danger filled in start till he was like 60, you know, this is actually I think He got no respect now. He's the most respected. I feel like he's one of those people that Is prepared and aware. Yeah, it's not forever.
Yeah, and won't be like it like I mean I'm still I'm still good like It does happen to some of us because we're younger we didn't see it coming. Oh, you're not popular and you don't have a job anymore Yeah, he's prepared and never he never lived in the clouds like he's one of the greatest skateboarders there But he doesn't act like it like it's the same thing as Tony like Tony is like like if it really boils down to it You probably can't get him to say it, but he's one of the greatest people in the world. Is that you're allowed to say you can go? No, no, it's not me No, I just spent all the time saying honest to us Yeah, that's fair.
I mean that's your fault. I thought that more of a joke because you watched it go off and so I'm saying no, it was like a He doesn't walk around like he is one of the like No, he was successful you're not acting like some asshole that would have gotten all these trophies He doesn't think of which means when it's over he can move on because he never thought that the world owed him anything for being that good in the first And I also think that our before lives before we you know Decided to like figure out a way to get self-esteem We surrounded herself with people that kept ourselves team well also You know what I mean? And that didn't want us to shine and didn't want us to you know have the power that we have or like I think Chris is always hung up with people that are always equal in the level of skateboard where he hangs out with skateboard legends That's his that's his people who also understand that Yeah, I'm really good at skateboarding But that doesn't make me better than any other human like we're all still people you all deserve even respect I'll tell you're a dick, but if you're a good guy or good like I respect you and you don't owe me You don't have to open the door for me. You know, do you know who I am like how dare any of this?
Every time they want I'm trying to do a skateboard trick. I'll be like come on man. He's your self That's your self that's your self that's your nation Do you know I mean I'm also still trying to figure out do you know? Last thing last thing you guys should have done this without me.
I don't mind here Darable The pro skateboard Chris calls pro skateboards love when you go is it true? It's real is it just a gutter? Do they really do they ride horses together? They make a heavy bone?
Oh my gosh, good kid. How's that all work? How about this? By the way, I'm not afraid of jumping off the building scared of horses little no Just get horses.
All right, healthy Healthy respect for healthy respect for horses because they are machines they are they are massive they are stronger than you They're the ultimate I grew up my mother was obsessed with horses and in order to keep in order to keep a pony that she had At these stables we would go and we would take care of all the horses at the stables That was the agreement and so I grew up around these horses living in a townhouse, but going to this to this I did get kicked I got stepped on on my throat So I have a healthy respect because I've been bit kicked stepped on which I'd like to hear the horses side of the story You probably you gotta let it come in yeah, you gotta let it know it sounds like you deserved it for sure I was like you got one like I'm a surprise behind him No, but like I did startle them in some way just not knowing but Superhero origin stories, you know didn't you also have leg braces? I did I had leg braces when I was a kid who braces leg braces Before I scummed yourself. I did yeah What Jenny yeah, what were the it was because your legs were bowed. I had really bowed legs So it's like a way to straighten my legs out how long did you have worked no idea?
I might have helped I Think a slight bow to the legs just very very slight makes you More athletic but too much bow you have problems any of a bad style straight like perfectly straight legs Sometimes you have problems a little bow Like races would you be an even better skater? No, but I ride horses better Yeah, that's true and then also I'm obsessed with y'all's minds like didn't you one time I laughed and I didn't mean to but I said Something and about a short bus and you were like I wrote a short bus I did I went to a school for learning disabilities for two years Me too, and I would have to stay for sure bus. Yeah, but whatever they failed in that school Yeah, I failed everything in the last three years of my schooling I went so eighth and ninth grade I was gonna fail out in seventh and I barely pulled it so eighth and ninth grade I went to a different school It was over in Trenton, New Jersey and like I went to a school for learning disabilities had to take the short bus Yeah for two years and then one and I kind of learned how I learned so that when I came back to school I wouldn't fail completely but I did graduate high school like unlike a lot of the other skaters like who dropped out I Was like well, I spent all this time. I'm gonna get that trophy at the end They let me walk But then I had to go to summer school because I had missed so many days because I already like skating going to contest You have a dream when you didn't skates you think about skating in your head and do skateboard tricks in your head all day All day every single day and I would work it in like if you had to work something into a sentence You had to like nouns and burbs and stuff it would always be about skateboarding Yeah, like in my like fifth grade sixth grade like it was just every I failed so much that I just got bullied for being a Tired at school and then I like hooked up with one of the only girls that was cute in school So then people used to beat me up.
I was my first type test a famous I was known for the kid that got beat up in the cricket nets for a whole lunch break So I go school it's like the batting pits Whatever but I did I started going into a alleyway and I'll go to school and I would hang out in an alleyway from 9 till 3 bad boy It sit there and do skateboarding Oh, it does work. It does work there like after a certain point. This is real like Like first world bullshit I'll say it but at a certain point and maybe if people aren't at that point yet They'll get some inspiration here at a certain point when you've done so many hours probably 20,000 hours of skateboarding You can get on a plane you can sit on a plane and you can think about a trick You can go through all the possible outcomes in your head within within minutes It will earn the trick get off the plane do the trick it without having ever done it There's a famous story about somebody who was somewhere in Asia was a political prisoner who was a concert pianist and they let him out of Jail and he did a piano concert like that night because he said he'd been practicing in his mind the entire time he was in jail There you go problem is with you He got he knows if it's this kind of a guest that I'm gonna talk a lot and he wants you to try to get some things in He's the person that makes this all work like he's dealt with Jason not sober who is like wait What was I saying he goes you were saying this or what am I talking about like He's the one that pulls a Jason I'll show together like there's been a decade or two depending on the year of the month where I'm not Fucking here. I'm just here battling about God knows what and it's like okay.
Jason made a funny now Let's actually get back to like some sort of like constructive show. The Jason I'll show his last of two decades because of him well I am it's time for you this off your rocker gonna go But anyway, come on to say what's coming to us. Let me ask this one thing come on to do this. Yeah, you're the guest Yeah, I know it's me like they're ever tell you about me Do you know how good I am because I'm gonna take a quick look at the guy I feel like you two podcasting together So many skaters are gonna like want to hear this and I'm just in the way so I'm just trying to facilitate no It's more if he was on a whole webinar Yeah, but this is more the fans of the show and more like oh wow skateboarding.
We don't usually get into that Yeah, we can pick it up over there with the with the grip tape grip Love this like I don't want to be in the way no the skates fans need you there too You know you like learn something new and you like I have to tell everybody about it But I do I am fascinated by the how to emotionally support, you know someone that does what you do. I just love it Just let us love it. You know what you actually probably have toxoplasmosis. What is that this makes so much sense?
Oh my toxoplasmosis is the it's if you want to Google if you just I'm gonna go ahead I'm gonna get a voice that I ask her an obvious. I this is how much I love you I refuse to allow a resentment to be built We are at a time in the world where if you are asking me a question that is easily googled you hate me You hate my god, so you know I'm just gonna have to Google it or I'm gonna totally work for you I'm not your Siri. I'm not Siri. Yeah person.
Yeah, I try to intercept it early myself and I'll go anyway What is the last Moses? It's a parasitic infection caused by toxoplasma a single cell organism that can affect humans and other animals Okay, leaving caught Oh interesting, but what it does is it makes it so that you have a higher tolerance for fear It's like something about your amygdala doesn't activate the same way So people that are fear seekers people that are adrenaline seekers high-risk athletes many times have toxoplasmosis And it is a parasite that rats that it It breeds or it duplicates whatever in the stomach of a cat So you'll see videos look up rat toxoplasmosis a rat will try to get near a cat and try to get eaten It stops having fear of a cat because it needs to the try to meet up. I don't think I have that But how do we blame this on our mothers? I got it people often get it from eating undercooked meat So if you want to be racist against Australians and say that you know she undercooked a shrimp on the Barbie He got it that way also Contact from cat feces your mom is a huge animal person Yeah, my my parents under pet store and I lived above it can I just say can I ask the question?
Okay, I Terrified of everything I do not want pain like people think I'm like a magic is like I love pain. I'm not I do not I just I want you will not beat me No, you're trying to scare me. Yeah, I'll fucking show you what scary is So you guys people are my the ramp is trying to flinch me from not doing stuff and I've backed down before and I Feel terrible. I would rather get knocked out by van de la silver before I say to van de la silver No, I will not that's a great way to operate when you move through life though Is because to me I'm all about shame avoidance What do I need to do in this moment to not have shame later because that is intolerable So even if it means like overcoming being super scared of this I'd rather be super scared of this then have shame later And there's a there's a mindset.
There's a switch when you do it for as long as I have there's a switch there I will fucking click it if the only differences now because I'm older sometimes it's not necessary to click that switch I'll think about the afterward afterwards like is this worth to switch on this one you wait tomorrow when you wake up and you did that Or it went bad was worth it not it's not worth it back off So totally nobody now my I don't love snowboarding I like snowboarding, but I don't love it and I'll look at a rain I'll go oh you could probably back to the lip black and I go click the switch I go Mmm, or you could go get a coffee And then like your kid maybe doesn't go to the hospital with you because there's a 50-50 on that one I go yeah, you know There's other times where you know it might not be that necessary people won't even see it and I'll go yeah I'm doing it. It's like Rogan and I just like to switch and I go yeah fighting people man like sometimes when I Spout people it's like we're just moving around I got guys that are like you know 25 I got people that are good fighters that I spot sometimes and I'll get whoop and I'll get one and I'll be like are we going? And I'm like don't go you mean like you're going to work tomorrow or I'll go you know what it's been a minute Yeah, and I went I'll dig in and he'll know because he knows me well He's like oh shit Jason's like the switch you know what they call that with me when I go skate they'll be like oh He's going street week mode. Yeah, they say it like because there'll be a time where I'm kind of pussing around I'm kind of skating around and then there's a moment where I like walk in and you actually physically you watch it happen Yeah, like this try changed like he now he got competitive with himself and he's on he means everything now new gear Yeah, and that's a thing that like a lot of people you miss out on in life like it to say I will die for this Mm-hmm.
It's going too far But it's also when you do it you make it or you don't make it when you when you walk off you don't know me You can't stand next to me because I made a choice You didn't even say that loud fucking die before I don't make this fucking trick or I will fuck it like I don't like doing I said with you I don't want to do that like first time I Was that but China and she was like you don't have a trip a three-some triple H no, but you're challenging me And I will not back down mmm like this is certain thing you were gay just because you didn't want to back down I wasn't gay because I didn't want to back down I was gay because I was addicted to running and I'll sleep with anybody or anything because it's it's a way to run Yeah, totally so the people that were the scariest people to sleep with mmm were often the most attractive people to sleep with me Totally because if I sleep with them, I won't be thinking. Yeah about the mistakes I made the the the things that I haven't apologized for the things that I should but should have done instead of the things that I Did yeah, I can run it's to me sleeping with I hate saying this because I don't want to say anything bad about it I love gay people. I love trans people. I love everybody.
It's just for me. It's easier. It's not gay It's I don't want to sleep like I still love hoars. Mmm.
Like if you were really hoary Like I love like dangerous because that's someone that's you're not gonna have to worry about their feelings and take care I'm just gonna like I don't like I don't like charm-resing which by the way Can I call you out on something and I know we need to stop this is anyone that accuses him of being Okay, if you're like I'm like a people I'm gonna In between taping of my special the last special I did which was on OFTV Which was the only place I wasn't scared to talk about the trans stuff and I had all these trans jokes Which I feel like we're pretty balanced and Jason was there in the green room I allowed two people in the green room Jason Alice and Kevin Christie whom Brilliant opens for me make stickers for toy machine No big deal look at me and After the first show I did all these jokes about trans people more like it from the point of view of a woman like trans people complaining I still think of you when I back into a parking space fantastic Yeah, and then just idea of like trans women are like hey crunches happen to me men are calling me a slut online and a whore And a stupid liar I'm like yeah, welcome to being a woman bitch like this is how it is Like what do you know that kind of stuff and so after the first show you're back So you're like really like kind of upset and like you know I was like what's up and you're like well there's some trans people that came in the audience so for the next show like Can you just be like you were worried about me hurting their feelings, you know And I was like wait Jason you can't be this good of a person you can't be this nice like you were like so protective And I thought that that was really endearing and sweet why because I was like I was like I talk about I don't know what makes a lot of like weird It's like a political tie sometimes where it's like your bathroom and I'm like I'm not I'm not for pedophilia Like calm down I'm just you don't know what it's like to be a man born in a woman's like your woman's brain of the man's body and vice-versa Where I've watched them I've been friends with them for 20 years and I've watched their fight and their insecurities in the hell that they go Through my or you could just let her let him just call her her like cool If that girl was born a girl and now she's a man and she had all the surgeries and took tests I was around it's really hurt you to just like hey man I was like going because you don't know how many how happy it makes them totally If it's a bad person then we're different but most of the people that I met at a trans I'm just trying to live they're trying to live their truth and I and I don't nest and I feel like sometimes those people Overreact, but I'm because I know where it comes from. It's the same as like if somebody puffs up with me now and says something like you want to fucking go I go aww you know cuz I know where it came from Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, me be like you puff up on me. I'll puff back. I'm like yeah.
I'll fucking go give me a better shot I'll be a dumb as you know, I'm like this guy's insecure This guy's gone through a lot of stuff He puffs up because he's scared and he's doing this to like protect the little boy inside him I know I've done that yeah, and it's the same with like oh you're calling me a man And it's like because you've because of your insecurities and the things that you've grown up with the most hurtful thing You can hear it's like you're just a dude you're chick with a dick It's like in the person that says it is scared of pretty girls that have penises and you have to say you're a chick with a dick to try Make yourself feel better understand where everyone's coming from but I also know that most people don't understand where anyone's coming from Yeah, so it's reaction reaction reaction reaction But I also think that the person that does that isn't just me to trans people I think everyone oftentimes you are correct So thank you neither of us can prove that either of our statements But it's like the kind of thing where it's like this person isn't just a dick to you They're dick to everybody I mean that's just me and those are the things these days when you say comments on social media I Really don't care because I'm just like I'm in love with my day I mean I love I love rumble beanie comes in bed with hugs me with Catherine and I have a bed I have a house. I have a pool. It has a button that has a waterfall in a fire pit. You've got to be fucking joking me Yeah, you know if I'm gay.
Oh, okay, right? Yeah, you win dude. You got me. Yeah, I'm too busy looking good I try to be gay didn't you know that yeah, that makes sense didn't take me yet?
Well a forever, you know Well, it was like a well, I don't know how to do it I don't know horse your train cowboy Hey Easy you gotta come out and hang with horses. I want to yeah, yeah Catherine's got a friend that has a bigger horse that carries me So I wanted my ultimate thing my favorite thing on social media is obviously bull cats But horses that swim and and I want to ride a horse that goes in the water because I see people that ride the horse And they swim and they jump off the horse and then the horse goes gets him and takes him back to a spot where they can jump Off the horse again, I'm like, okay, that to me is the coolest thing. Okay. We'll dig into that at some point Here's the thing so Chris is a good father and he has to drive four hours to his daughter's volleyball game Yeah, so we have to expect that it's the longest Jason I'll show in the history It's a very special episode is what this was great.
I love you guys I think you're probably great people I think anybody that thinks differently should maybe do some more research on themselves and these two people Because I know them personally and they have a lot of love in their hearts And I am a good judge of character because I've been through a lot and I've worn a lot of people's shoes And these people deserve respect and love and if you don't know them and you're talking shit Reassess yourself because you got it wrong These are really great people so I appreciate you guys coming on and you're adorable that you love each other I love you. You should come up with out me. I feel like I'm uh, I'll do the other one. I'll do that Okay, I won't both of you all come on and just talk to Tully if you like you know what I've got a my I know sorry.
Yes, right? I did have a migraine. I had to cancel I didn't want to be like an idiot on this show. I love you Your fans are so by the way when your fans come up to me.
They're always so gracious. They're always there's so many piercings But they all have tetanus, but they're always so bad. I'm just happy that there's a fan of mine that comes to you Yeah, there's a lot like tight eye cracks like I don't know they're living their truth and they are tired But they're always so gracious. Thanks to be on the show like describe everybody If you want to see the patreon patreon.com slash Ellis mate do not dark