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It's your talk about his recent piece, The first, well, that's fun. Let's get to know you guys all the better with some questions. Who is he? We just said that about, like, you don't really carry out it.
I think I know you guys pretty well. I already know. I'm so sick. I'm so over there bullshit.
Yeah, I'm not interested in it. I also know what these questions are. Like, I think this is definitely what's going on. What's a lesser-known policy, the issue of that you're passionate about that you wish got more attention.
I will practice my settings probably my only serious answer. Maybe not lesser-known in the sense that there are, you know, people, some people are talking about it. But I wish more people would pay attention to the various bills my co-serv that kids on my safety act. Because it will be absolutely horrible for free speech and privacy.
And when I say pay attention to, I really mean learn what something my co-serv would actually do as opposed to what politicians say it'll do. I've had a bunch of people on the show to explain why it's so bad. But basically, it establishes what's called the duty of care for online platforms, whether it's video games, instant messaging apps, streaming services, anything that I'd be used by minors. It will force all these companies to heavily censor users so as not to possibly provide any content that might be inappropriate or upsetting to minors.
And the biggest thing about this is that Republican Attorney General have already said that they're gonna use this to go after LGBTQ related stuff in the guise of quote unquote protecting the children. They will make children actually less safe, particularly when we're talking about maybe at risk kids who might not have access to suicide headlines or information about why they're feeling a certain way. And it's being pushed by both parties, including Chuck Schumer and the Democratic leadership and Joe Biden, and I think it's absolutely shameful. Love that answer, Andy.
I don't think anyone expected that. No. Go off. Yeah, and he did.
I love that for him. I think it's important incredibly important. This is not an unknown policy, but it's something that I think that we have kind of shrugged off, which is our paid maternity leave policy in the United States. So with the family and medical leave act, we have just 12 weeks, 12 weeks of unpaid leave with job protections in the United States.
And we know that in countries around the world in other quote unquote industrialized wealthy nations that parents receive six months, some 12 months of leave. And it's something that we kind of, again, we love to say the American exceptional America is great. And America cares about families, and we really don't. Because largely, a lot of people don't even take the full 12 weeks.
It really does depend state by state and up to the discretion of your employer. And it is something that we saw and was highlighted child care during COVID. And it's something that I think needs to be pushed on a regular basis in the mainstream in this country because there's no reason why we don't have longer maternity leave for families. And also, you know, just overall better care for children.
So that's my issue. Great answer. All right. If your career was a movie, what would the title be?
Mm. OK. I actually want to hear it. Yeah.
So I have to assume that either Jeremy Renner or the guy from the bear, who obviously also named Jeremy would play me because those are the two people I get the most where people say I look like them, where I guess they look like me since I was your first first. The movie would simply be called Ally. Oh, boy. Oh, my god.
Amazing. OK. So my movie would be called for fuck's sake. And honestly, I want Kerry Washington to play me, but I want her to play me as her character with the opponent.
Oh. I would accept Kerry Washington as Olivia Paul playing me as well. I don't know what might be, but I know I want people to play the whole history. I love people.
I said it's not even an ounce of irony, but it would also get him somewhere because if he could pull off play, people would say great after all. Amazing. I want glory for the whole fantastic. That's really great.
If someone told you they wanted to be you when they grew up, what advice would you give them? Oh, well. Nope. Yeah.
Don't worry, my advice would be find it. A quiet place where you can still have one dose because you're going to be like, oh, that's true. And I was like, oh, is it an insane? I don't know.
He's an executive officer. Yeah. Same thing, but different. What's a hobby or activity that's keeping you in your sleep?
I mean, my biggest activity, like the 30 minutes, it takes me to water all the plants in my apartment. And I enjoy doing that. So it's got a lot of plants. Yes.
Mine is extremely geeky and it is ebook-organizing. And I know Jesse, I told you a little bit about this. And I promise I won't bore all those intercedeors. But I just wish on the Kindle ecosystem and Amazon to the cobalt, ecosystem, cobalt is another company that makes a lot of this.
It took me like a month. I had it download all my books from Amazon, which is like 2000. And I had it put them in a program called caliber on my computer. And I had it fixed all the metadata and organized them into series and all that fun stuff.
And it sounds tedious. And it sounds boring. Probably the most people I could not have had more fun. And I know that says volumes about me.
But I'm OK with that. I love that for you. Well, I'm biking as far as I can to eat good slices of pizza each weekend at the summer. So I'm trying to do 20 miles each day.
That's what I suppose. Because you almost bike off all the calories. It's in perfect. It's like an carbonosis.
Yes. The part of the carboxy. The ecosystem. And so it's like that got with Trump.
I think Kramer who signedele would somehow be a Trump. I get that voice of them. Oh, wow, these are good. Oh, What was the guy, what is his name?
He would show the handyman Tim Allen. Yeah. And then J. He vases his next door neighbor.
Correct. That's who I think. Oh, and that is like his best friend. Yeah.
I think it would be Tim Allen on what's the show? Home improvement. I'm going with Joe from arrested the building. He's an attacker.
100%, just to look at the really good. That's built for a bad fulfil. Yeah. If you think that we're on a chair and no longer exists, I don't blame you.
It's over his next guest before explaining that it still exists and also white presidential by the list and before he leaves office joining you now is right around the great forever wars newsletter at forever dash wars dot com contributor to many sounds new journalistic endeavors a tail creator along with Evan narcissist of the fly out to have the comic series while versus wild storm which is now available in our cover the upcoming writer of iron man and Pulitzer prize winning journalist Spencer Ackerman Spencer thank you so much for being so before we get into why you say the war on term of the end of the next few months I'm going to point out a couple things first you wrote this piece for a detail a few weeks ago before Joe Biden dropped out of the presidential race and vice president Kamala Harris became the presumptive nominee of the Democratic Party but that's really nothing about what you say right nothing I'm writing as I often do about the dangers of this apparatus of security that is extremely easy to try into an apparatus of domestic repression where you use as an apparatus of domestic oppression no matter who the president is residents that any given person like presidents you know give him a thing up like the driving factor behind this home specifically was surely Donald Trump we shouldn't think the Trump can't win the presidency just because he's facing Harris now and not Biden but also the fact that the Supreme Court has just transformed the presidency structurally yeah for sure I'm going to write that line of your piece is Biden must abolish war on terror now or we risk Trump's political retribution campaign and we'll get to the retribution campaign in a minute but first tell us more specifically what you're talking about when you refer to the war on terror in the year of our 2020 for it we no longer have to turn up to the end of Iraq so the war on terror is over spent trying to get a lot of stuff so the thing about that is that the authorities institutions and many if not most of the operations of the war on terror persist past Afghanistan and Iraq now what do I mean by that so for instance the 2001 authorization to use military force is still in place and that gives the president the authority to wage war anywhere on earth that he or she please it is at this point something that while is technically a grant of power by Congress and that means an act of Congress to repeal now functions as a normal and newy Larry power of the United States president and this is something that makes so that when we know our efforts at Afghanistan or something like that it's more like a temporary reprieve they can always ramp you know it's there's same issues that make it specifically not you know if I will please read that guy like anywhere in the Middle East that the United States still has military presence which is a substantial number of places and we've been including still Iraq and Syria so unless you get rid of the 2001 I was the A1F you know you can use this in matters that will you know potentially allow a red guy rather than including era you can do this you know down a lot the department of Homeland Security still exists the hyper-blurization of immigration still exists and very importantly apparatus of master violence created after 9-11 and now pretty much see the eye with the 21st century economy still remains in place and under Biden earlier this year received a tremendous expansion of what that means so just anticipate an objection there's a lot of stuff that Biden can't you know I really get rid of there's also a lot of aspects of this enterprise where if Biden just pulled the plug on an operation starting back up is going to be more difficult than I think a lot of advocates particularly within the surveillance apparatus to the president that's actually really interesting point and I want to talk more about you know you mentioned surveillance and the rise of master violence that we've seen in this country since 9-11 is there even any difference between our government's ability to surveil American citizens now than there was at say the height of the war on terror you would like to think and look I know the answer to this but I want to get details from you like you would like to think that many of the tools that were just handed over to intelligence and law enforcement communities in the wake of 9-11 that somebody at some point would have said hey it's time to end this stuff and I know some people have run wide in particular but we haven't gotten rid of anything as you say it's something to be expanded we've kept a lot more than we've gotten rid of the major thing that when it comes to surveillance two major things that are gone our first something that we when I wrote for the Guardian we exposed after the Edward Snowden revelations which is that purely domestic phone call meditative records of what you call to call you how long call Western so on pure collection of that is gone and also an important aspect of the Patriot act known as section 215 which had been used to shoe horn that authority into it was something that despite a lot of political effort on part of the security services and the parties in leadership congress that expired as well however in the interim the security apparatus kind of recognized that it could deal with losing the domestic phone records collection because much less of the way communications operate in 2024 and even that they did in 2015 has to do with phone calls you can have a lot more intelligence rolling data from siphoning messages from the internet and where we are now is that while formally there needs to be a working place before the collection of purely domestic communications to decide in the reality is the way dreadnits that the essay establishes to collect domestic to foreign communications operate so that there is so much over collection of purely domestic communications or privacy impacting reviewing information about the American collective in communications that happen overseas in those communications across borders do not necessarily have to do with terrorism with the commissioners espionage and the other crimes and security service that's as the rest of national security that these authorities were set up to address you make him that all this has been bipartisan and I want to clear about that that keeping the surveillance powers that have been kept expanding whatever has been expanded all this has been a bipartisan effort hasn't it we just not say that there aren't people in both parties who are supposed to it but it has it has been an achievement by democratic congressional leadership by republican convention leadership and by president Biden has it not it's very much like that it is an interesting circumstance that kind of works in the inverse of what we see a lot of national level politics inside Congress in the electoral realm play out is so this is a circumstance where the more certainly ideological members of the Republican and the Democratic parties that people who are more progressive in the people who are more should we say conservative to nationalists the further away they get from leadership and leadership in parties and the chairmanship the judiciary intelligence and our services committees the more likely they are to want to restrict service the closer they get to those leadership positions the more influence that they become by the leadership of the security agencies and that's been a really durable way since 911 that surveillance detentions the other aspects of the war on terror can withstand challenges from the more ideological components of the different parties and those that I think is fair to say closer to what the focus want to what makes this so urgent why you say it's urgent that a lot of this dismantling happened really in the next several months and as you said earlier it has to do with the recent decision by the Supreme Court in Trump the US that gives president community from prosecution for a corner quote official act that they take while in office so you've got a combination of that plus this unbelievable surveillance et cetera apparatus in your mind you're saying this is unbelievably combustible and dangerous yes so to go through it the implications of Trump V. US is that the president as the Supreme Court wrote has absolutely immunity for official acts now let's remember that as we move over to looking at what surveillance apparatus has been since 911 definitely since the 2008 passage of the court in surveillance law that created what is known you know circles the follow-up as surveillance as section 702 every single time the security chiefs have to explain why it's okay to continue to operate and apparatus of mass surveillance that necessarily impacts the communications of an untold number but in the billion tens of millions hundreds of millions it's always to say that there are robust and thorough safeguards placed internally to those agencies there's submissions to a secret court nor is the FISA court that keep the intelligence agencies in line and make sure that they're not dropping on the privacy rights of American citizens consistently for 15 years that very same court when these opinions are declassified show that the intelligence agencies violate the rules that they submit to this secret court again again again this has happened is such a consistent practice over 15 years that it blurs the line between what's used and what's abuse now the president does it have anyone to answer to not just to liquid but criminally for eradicating that distinction at all so we can no longer have any confidence if we ever could before that there will be any like substantive meeting to the safeguards that the intelligence agencies say to place on on this extremely intrusive all the contesting apparatus of surveillance if before they had to paint a mine to the FISA court that they are going to abide by these restrictions I would expect they would still say that they do but in practice there's not going to be any consequence for violation conceitle that means you've got a circumstance where you know one political party is a like Biden did after this is a pretty work really I promise to always abide by the rules in the Constitution and the other side the Republican side the Trump is side it's saying I can't wait to redefine the Constitution according to whatever I want to be in just like a 30,000 foot view that's a recipe for disaster no matter what I'm looking specifically at this one really urgent area where I don't mean to be drafted out this but I think it's fair to say our freedoms as Americans are threat the laser violence is already weaponized we saw in 2020 when the Department of Homeland Security went after left wing protesters for black lives employment put drones over 15 American cities protesting for such things and unleash joint terrorism test forces which are local police to federal law enforcement partnerships predicated on eradicating terrorist threats inside country justice the movie already happened I'm talking about getting rid of the stuff that will also feature in the sequel before the sequel and it's also not a circumstance where the answer is just a way to Democrats because what we just saw from Joe Biden is an expansion of the surveillance apparatus I expect pretty similar behavior for President Kamala Harris yeah which leads me to my next question and I suspect I know the answer to this but so what do you think the actual chances of Joe Biden taking any actions to curb the security and surveillance state and I'll give you a scale of one to ten with one being LOL LMAO and ten being God is good I've got to go with zero and fall work or whatever it's not going to happen my piece doesn't I was writing this piece to point out the danger and then at the end of it point out the weakness of how I am asking for the point of a point of a point of a point here right like this is not something that our elected leadership will naturally incline toward doing I'm writing this to point out that there needs to be popular movements incorporating as some of them already do to their men's credit the anti-surveillance anti-war on terror generally anti-war perspective into pressuring their public officials at all levels of government to accomplish this even levels that can't actually produce this name this has to be part of an actual democratic culture demands on its leadership yeah I actually point out all of this stuff it's so important I completely agree that you are not exaggerating when you say that our freedom in a large sense hinges on this stuff not being just a thing that we shrug at and say well that's the way things are it actually may be thinking we were talking about the AU and earlier I have sort of forgotten that that wasn't always the case that that's only been in place in 911 and granted part of that is because you know presidents families to sort of declare war without Congress before that but the fact that it's been basically codified since 2001 to 2002 it's hard to believe that it hasn't been that way forever we become in your just stuff like this and we just forget that it doesn't have to be this way that's right and I think that circles back to your first question the war on terror has ended it's been normalized and I think a really important question of journalism is to combat that normalization where ever possible Spencer thank you so much for being here I'm sorry I didn't ask you about your upcoming iron man series from our comics but I can't wait to read people go out and read everything Spencer written whether it's both your comic books or whether it's ever war or it's a tale just he never misses Spencer thanks again hey thank you so much I do well folks I am very happy to welcome back to the new abnormal keep working in who is a film producer author national political commentator former White House a all of the things and author of the book which we discuss on the normal why does everything have to be about race Keith is a new day it is a new day with three and a half months until the most consequential election of our time we have a new presumptive nominee in vice president Tom La Harris over the course of the announcement there has seems to be renewed energy that was desperately lacking in the Biden campaign as we were beginning to look ahead I want to get your reactions to where we find ourselves right now we're Democrats find themselves right now making this historic change and how many people are hailing president Biden as a true patriot putting country above ego yeah it's a new day I like the way you said it is a brand new day can you feel a brand new day let me say that's all but yeah it's a new day feels new and refreshing now the choice is crystal clear do you want a 59 year old black woman is accomplished prosecutor you have senator and vice president or do you want Donald Trump a 78 year old convicted felon who is adjudicated rapist who is twice a piece my dribbling diet who is now the oldest nominee for the presidency that's the choice and if you want the future do you want the guy who's gonna settle his grievances and make it festivities every day in retribution and related to battles the past eight years do you want somebody to compete for country for and I think the choice of Kamala Harris for the Democratic Party helps to clarify the choice for the American people between Donald Trump and the Democrats we will be no project 25 no agenda 47 and no efforts to implement national abortion banner take away rights for LGBTQIA people or to eliminate the Department of Education or to take away head start or cut some security medicare if we have Kamala Harris as our next president but we have Donald Trump is present before more years of chaos and crisis and controversy and all the nonsense we've witnessed since he came down that gold nestled here in 2015 I don't think it matters what that I think we're tired of that that's part of the reason why there was an effort to push Joe by now and by the way I strongly supported Joe Biden's candidacy not because I strongly supported Joe Biden but because I strongly supported a line election and my biggest fear all along in picking out and alternative to Biden was that if you pick Kamala Harris the party might not be hundred and he picks the party might engage in the Civil War because the black voters would have based the party would be pissed off if you would get over so I'm pleased to see that the party did not escape over her that she immediately gathered the endorsements of the people that she didn't want to limit nomination she immediately gathered on one half with the delegate she didn't just the first day and nearly got nearly a hundred million hours with Democrat Party in the first day so I think that the record shows that she will be a strong effective candidate that the Democrat Party is now united we have people all up and down the ballot who are finally excited to energize that we're not on defense we're on offense and the windows are back I love all of that I do I too feel the energy and it's renewed belief that we have a fighting chance against fascism that so many people that I talk to who are academics and studied on fascism authoritarianism I always ask the question of you know have you ever seen a backsliding democracy reverse itself have you ever seen you know a time when fascism was breathing down the net of a nation for them to make a pivot and many of them at the time had said no the grips and the claws are very deep and we also know that the pockets they're funding project 2025 and funding Donald Trump are very deep and so for the last month or so the media's attention had been moved away from the threat that's essential threat of project 2025 and just consumed with Joe Biden his age his perceived health do you think now how does VP Harris how do Democrats make this hard pivot and really make the case that we need to rid ourselves of Donald Trump and Trump is on one central how do we make that hard pivot with three and a half months ago I'm not sure it's hard pivot anymore I mean it's hard in the sense that you're making dramatic shifts but what makes it less hard you know they talk a lot of self-mining with the economy if you're supposed to be at a very soft landing with this transition because this could have done up really quickly I mean left and back like this could have really been a disaster right from the start and there was an inclination that there might be some some of the ruffles when Joe Manchin announced that he might become a Democratic guy and he might run against her and challenger pretty quickly wisely back down and actually I think he couldn't do it anyway according to the rules I read in the party that he would not have been qualified to run I think that there are you know we're doing the concerns about making that type of hard pivot you talk about but I don't think they're done doable I think we see it happen right now I think the different part you know anything else wants to win they want to defeat Donald Trump and I think a lot of people were reluctantly going along with Joe Biden because they thought that he was the best chance to be Donald Trump but they were head concerned about his age and now they don't have those concerns to do with now we're the ones who get to get the case about Donald Trump being too old to be president we have to defend someone who's older than him now we don't have to carry the baggage if there is any of Joe Biden making mistake every now and which people do on a regular basis but the media area translates every mistake into a question about his competence or office we don't have to be on defense about those things so we can be an offense we can start attacking their Republicans for what they're doing about project 25 and we can start pushing them because we know that it's working out of time we try to run away from we try to hide it's nuts it's a product 25 and keep going well he's responsible gender of 47 so project 25 well you know what that's not true because he's responsible for the people who put the data product 25 we'll clean down the dollar it's not anymore the agenda 47 isn't very different from product 25 it sounds very similar to project 25 so the both my own department of education they both they make dramatic changes in terms of cuts of federal government programs they both want to be able to hire Trump loyalists replace civil servants they both want mass deportations and immigrants they both want to curtail women's reproductive rights control and body all this is very deadly and that's what you're wearing their Republicans I think the Trump campaign is not a difficult time selling this message I also think that picking J. Vance was a huge mistake yeah I wanted to get to that because J. Diana as of the time of the last recording I want to read you you probably have seen that but I want to read you what he has said now about this shift with Kamala Harris now being the presumptive nominee brace yourself quote she is a childless cat lady who is quote miserable with her life because she didn't have children and that not having children means that she doesn't have a direct state in America yeah I mean that's the things that state you know J.
Vance is a lot of nerve talk about this ad hominem attack first of all on the first black woman vice president the first woman vice president the first Asian vice president these attacks on Kamala Harris are going to backfire on the Republican party because what Donald Trump failed to do and pick a big fan dance was to expand his reach what he's trying to do and that's most candidates trying to do and pick your right mate is he trying to go beyond the base you can't just talk to the base expect to win Donald Trump is never one of the majority of the vote and any of his elections anyone in florally you lost in both elections and so if you want to get those soccer moms of those independent voters for suburban voters those people who are out there who have a little questions about Donald Trump but maybe maybe have been inclined about Republican past he's done nothing to reach out to them I mean he told the story about his assassination attempt and tried to curry some sympathy for that but they wanted to this girl has attacks on Democrats on Nancy Pelosi crazy and attacking people who were his enemies I mean Jay Vance a guy who wants to know abortion practically all circumstances and it doesn't do any things to cover with women voters women do the population doesn't do any to reach out to suburban voters and they have Jay Vance to make the fence of things about women regardless whether Mary and not and children are not it shows and how to tell tell if they are and these people who are upset because he were playing news word portals they are deplorable and they continue to be deplorable because they are in the Biden country and we need people who are trying to divide us and putting us together it seems that you know because Jay Vance is not the first person since this announcement has happened from the Republican Party to come out and directly attack the vice president for not having children we've seen Laura Loomer do that and it will begin to mount we've seen some of these right wing white supremacist quote unquote preachers reverence the say things how do you think that Democrats the establishment should rally around what we know is going to be a barrage of massaging or a barrage of attacks that probably rival and will surpass those that were lauded at Hillary Clinton oh yeah well I think we should expect it and I think we should let them hang themselves with their own ropes I mean they clearly are going to go too far as I already have and I think it's going to turn off the American people what is it attacking Kamah Harris for being a school child with family what does that do with we're nervous how does that create a single job or reason anyway how does that bring healthcare people who want healthcare or reduce the price of healthcare how does that lower the cost of college tuition or believe the debt that students are bearing for the loans that they take enough how does that improve the quality of housing or reduce the cost of housing or country how does that take care of the climate change of the environment how does that fix the criminal justice system in America how does that create a system that develops trust in democracy those attacks don't do a thing to make our country stronger or safer a better it just alienates people who want the country to be unified yeah I talk a lot about this and I mentioned in I think I previously knew I'm sorry my book with a quote from Tony Morrison about the function of racism she says a distraction and that's true of all these forms of racism sexism misogyny massage war harmful heterosexual imperialism it's all related to the same fear the sphere of the other as long as the people in power convince the people who are powerless they should be fearful of those others instead of being fearful of people who actually have power that's how they say in power they want to just back to your attention they don't want you to ask them questions about jobs in our education for climate change right here those things they want to focus on immigrants coming over across the border and to focus on trans kids and drag queens and diversion issues about AP history courses that teach African American history and critical race theory and whether a woman has children or not and this is a particularly ironic concern that Republican party doesn't seem to trust me to decide what to do with their bodies what to do with the number of children they choose to have or not they have so I just think that the message will backfire lately and I think that you know to oh my god as long as jade answers oh but he redo yeah you went in on the ticket led by a 78 year old billionaire are exactly representative where America is in control of the joy populations I mean it's not like I want to give the Republicans any advice but I agree with you in fact that now after the fact that Colin Harris at the top of the ticket that jade dance was the wrong pick that they would have done better to pick Nikki Haley but if we all remember that Donald Trump says she doesn't have a complexion for that job but Nikki Haley found herself on that RNC convention stage she found herself getting the credit to Donald Trump in kissing the ring but one of the clips that are going around right now is when she was competing again saying instead that Donald Trump remains at the top of the ticket we will have a president Kamala Harris and I pray that that is that is the foreshadowing of what's the come keep as we look forward now in just a few weeks to to the Democratic convention you know like I said we all witnessed the clown show and the foolishness the other foolishness that was RNC convention from Hulk Hogan ribbon off his shirt to other things what do you hope to see and what do you expect to see at this Democratic convention to draw again this dark contrast between where America should be going and where Republicans want America to stay we forgot Jim justice talking to the dog oh that too sorry yes the full dog and her own was telling people that she felt at home when the Republican party with the tattoo in her head knowing that they don't really like like people were black women but there was so much hypocrisy in the sound of state that convention and I just want to add to it before I wrote something with the Democratic convention you mentioned Nikki Haley I mean it's not just Nikki Haley but the Democrats want me remember and Cole said that she's part of the back because he was the wrong complexion as well she can support someone who's that background and let's not get started with Tim Scott you know poor Tim Scott engaged to be married and everything and he didn't get picked and he had no show any everybody I guess they don't care about that you know so it's a sad state of affairs that the Republican Party and the Republican convention has devolved to a clown show and I think the Democratic Party has not been in now it is convention Chicago next month to really show a party that is unified it's not just going to performance it's not embarrassed by it's nominee because our nominee will not be convicted for one our nominee will not be convicted for this our nominee will not have been impeached twice or in daddy four times I think the Democrats in general I said to you that wasn't certainly when people have just a few days ago I'm confident about this convention I'm looking forward to the convention there were a lot of parallels people were talking 1968 before this and they were naked in parallel because in 1968 of course Lyndon Johnson dropped out of the race and then there was a big battle with the convention in Chicago 1968 and there were protests in the streets and it was just a mess in Democrats and they were losing to which in Nixon and we know what history they went for there I don't think that those same fears are there anymore because they will be at least at this point of the period they won't be any sort of conflict about the nomination it will be not a coronation but not necessarily equal to love fest but an honest conversation with the party in the country about we're gonna request one move us in the future we're talking ahead of high to get platform and high the values and high the fact that they took away rovers as way and went ask abortion they had to remove that from their party platform after decades of having in there because they knew they didn't pull well don't have to do that we know that we're on the right side of the abortion issue we know they're on the right side of the gun control issue we know that we're on the right side of the issue of the issue of men in the ways we know they're on the right side of the issue of healthcare for everyone and so we don't have to be ashamed of our principles like they do we don't have to disguise and we don't have to distract your attention and get people focused on these stupid diversionary issues about other people who live here so I think the biggest wrong position going into the convention amazing well keep we will leave it there for today always appreciate your insight and analysis into where we are headed in the next three and a half months and certainly love to talk to you again before we make it to November that thank you Danielle always pleasure to be with you okay we're checking out this episode of the new abnormal we're back every Tuesday Friday and Sunday if you enjoyed it please share it with a friend and keep the conversation going this podcast is a daily B production with production by Jesse Kennan and Shamus color one more great listen check out our comedy podcast the last last and our source started the daily B podcast at the alb's dot com slash podcast if you enjoyed this episode consider becoming a daily B subscriber subscribing is the best way to feed the B's and support all of your podcast as we cover what might become the darkest timeline head to the daily B's dot com slash membership slash podcast and sign up today