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EPISODE · Jul 26, 2025 · 56 MIN

Why China and America are Creating the Same Ruling Class | Samo Burja

from "Moment of Zen" · host Antonio Garcia Martinez, Erik Torenberg, Dan Romero

Today on Moment of Zen, Erik Torenberg and Samo Burja explore how China's elite universities are creating a ruling class similar to America's, with student activism and credentialism reshaping both nations' power structures. Make sure to subscribe to Samo Burja's Bismarck Brief and the Live Players podcast to read analyses and briefs like this one: Bismarck Brief: ⁠https://brief.bismarckanalysis.com/⁠ Live Players: ⁠https://link.chtbl.com/liveplayers⁠ -- 📰 Be notified early when Turpentine's drops new publication: ⁠https://www.turpentine.co/exclusiveaccess⁠  🙏 Help shape our show by taking our quick listener survey at ⁠https://bit.ly/TurpentinePulse⁠ -- SPONSORS: NETSUITE | SHOPIFY | SQUAD Over 41,000 businesses trust NetSuite by Oracle, the #1 cloud ERP, to future-proof their operations. Whether you're earning millions or hundreds of millions, NetSuite empowers you to tackle challenges and seize opportunities. Download the free CFO's guide to AI and machine learning at ⁠https://netsuite.com/zen⁠. Shopify is the world's leading e-commerce platform, offering a market-leading checkout system Shoppay and exclusive AI apps. Nobody does selling better than Shopify. Get a $1 per month trial at ⁠https://shopify.com/momentofzen⁠. Head to Squad to access global engineering without the headache and at a fraction of the cost: head to ⁠https://choosesquad.com/⁠ and mention “Turpentine” to skip the waitlist. -- X / TWITTER: @SamoBurja @eriktorenberg @turpentinemedia -- Key Highlights Core Thesis: Elite Convergence China and America are creating remarkably similar ruling classes despite being geopolitical rivals with different political systems Universities are the primary mechanism driving this convergence in both countries China's Leadership Evolution Historic shift: For the first time, Chinese leaders are educated in China's own elite universities (Peking, Tsinghua, etc.) rather than abroad or through practical experience From engineers to lawyers: China moving from technocrats with engineering backgrounds to university-credentialed elites Signaling theory: Chinese elite universities now function like Harvard/MIT as intelligence signals "Chinese Woke" vs Western Woke China already has student activism - but it's Marxist/Maoist students organizing workers' unions Ideological trap: Communist Party struggles because students use party ideology to critique the party itself Future prediction: Chinese "woke" will likely focus on gender/feminism rather than racial/ethnic issues due to China's homogeneity University Power Dynamics Zero-sum tournament: Universities create gatekeeping for elite positions in both countries Elite clubs, not education: Universities function more as exclusive clubs than learning institutions Defensibility: University power will be extremely difficult to dislodge without radical intervention Consequences for China Positives: Better rule of law, higher status for journalists/lawyers, more humanistic perspective Negatives: Loss of business acumen, reduced technical expertise, potential future incompetence as credentials replace competence Mirror Society Concept Both nations face similar paradoxes: Ideological foundations that create unresolvable contradictions Generational warfare: Young elites using ideology to displace older generations in both systems Talent retention: China increasingly keeping its best students domestically rather than sending them to American universities Long-term Prediction China's government may become incompetent as university credentials replace practical experience and technical knowledge Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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