I'm Tom Bilyeu and this is Impact Theory. If you're a denizen of the Internet, my guest today needs no introduction. Since the party, the Daily Wire, she's established herself as one of the most listened to independent voices in the world. Her name is Candace Owens.
She's controversial, but whether you love her or hate her, her popularity makes it clear that a lot of people want to hear what she has to say. For me, I want to understand what makes her believe what she believes. I want to understand the base assumptions that drive her worldview. I felt like I needed more time with this one to really understand her views, but nonetheless, I'm eager to hear what you guys think of my time with Candace Owens.
When you have power, obviously you're looking to solidify your power. One of the things I always say is, you know, capitalists make the best of socialists, for example, right? Once you climb the ladder and like you've be a capitalist and say you're Jeff Bezos, I'm using as an example, not pointing out for anything, but you're Jeff Bezos and you're like the richest man in the world. And you become the richest man in the world because you built animals.
Well, you don't want the next big guy to come around and make something bigger than Amazon, right? So you're looking at how you can make sure there's no competition. But the very thing that let you into the market is that you don't want the market to be so free anymore. And it's why so many people in the past, this is why we initially had to pass laws against monopolies because powerful people were just allowed to buy up all the smaller guys and become more and more powerful.
That's like the instinct is to just maintain your power whether you're a business, whether you're a government, or whether you've realized that a relationship between businesses and the governments is the best way to maintain your power. And I'm speaking about the vaccine industry. It's a perfect marriage between the manufacturers who don't allow any competition. There's very few.
You got, you know, Pfizer, you got Merck, there's a couple other ones I'm forgetting, but it's a very small group of people and they're in lockstep with the fda and you've got sort of this perfect marriage and they have a lot of power. And in my view, they become a drug cartel because of those reasons. So yeah, I mean, that would be, I think, my answer to that question of who is trying to control things, that people have power, that don't want to let go of it and don't want their power right now. I heard you say something when I was researching you that it gave me pause.
So I'm very curious to hear you and I share a fear of authoritarian rule. But when you were talking to Andrew Tate, you said that maybe Putin wouldn't be the worst. You were being a little tongue in cheek. But I'm curious, do you actually think that the way that Putin runs his government is better than what's happening here?
I think America is running the government exactly like Putin, that we just have an illusion of freedom. I don't see like there was actually this notorious point. I want to say things about that because I actually do recognize that the way Putin is running his government and China's running their government is obviously going to take America out because there's now society that can survive that. Strong men.
And we're now encouraging weak men. So if you're, if you're betting on a horse, go go with the strong one, not the weak one. Right. And that was kind of one of the things we were talking about was like Operation Global Homo, right?
And we were saying that obviously just giving a fighting into it. But there is this increase in like transgender, the lesbian, you know, get kids on pharmaceuticals. We are now society of weak men. So when you say objectively which government is running their country better?
Well, how do you run a country? You want your country to survive, right? The next generation to be able survive and to be in a position of power. America is not doing that right now.
Where we are, we are making our country weaker and weaker and weaker. And that's why I say this is my granddad's America, right? So this is not the are way too effeminate and it's just the culture is rotten. But to go back to my first point I was going to make, there was this point when Joe Biden said something he called Putin a killer, right?
A cold blooded killer. And Putin responded, I'm interested enough. I go read his speeches because I know the media lies, that everything they lied about was causing the Ukraine war. You know, you have to read everyone speech and try to discern for yourself what's true.
But Putin said it takes one to no one. What mirage are we existing that you think Putin is a cold blood killer and not America who's now war overseas? We bombed a million Iraqi civilians, one million innocent people. We bombed, we've been bombing the militias, been bombing non stop liquid in Afghanistan.
So it's like we just have this illusion because it's not happening on our soil and the media is telling us every time we're stomping out terrorists. I mean, do yourself a favor and obviously Wikipedia is not a great source or anything, but you should just go up and look up color revolutions and just look at the list of how many times we overthrew governments. Who are we to do that? Could you imagine?
And then you have a media going. Russia spent a million dollars trying to influence our election. And I think it's just, it's hilarious how people can be so plugged in that they don't even realize we specialize in overthrowing countries in their election and stalling people. We did this in Ukraine.
This is the reason that this whole, this whole conflict didn't begin two years ago. This whole conflict began when John McCain went over there and into something Diet and I spoke about and was protesting in the streets. They overthrew a duly elected government in Ukraine and stalled a puppet for the West. That's going to create tension in various areas.
And so to think at what we did to get offy. I mean, horrific. So to what I don't accept, once you learn about history, talking about actual present and what America has done to other countries, I no longer accept the Putin boogeyman theory. Like it takes one to no one.
These are how governments are run. He's open about what he is. We are still making people think, well, we pass gay marriage. Like, I guess it means like we're not like dropping bombs on children everywhere, all across the world and staging elections around the world and overthrowing, you know, people's duly elected election and making countries worse after we're there, as we tell our public that we're spreading democracy.
Go check out this. All the countries that we've said that we're spreading democracy, we're bombing them into oblivion. Yeah. There is no doubt in my mind that realpolitik the movements of people to establish power internationally and keep that power is a bloody and horrifying game that America has certainly been very involved.
Involved in. But going back to the idea of. So right now I have the belief that the American system is far better than the Russian system. So I want to understand.
So the reason I believe that is while I believe that democracy is very fragile, that it is certainly under assault, that we for sure should be very worried about some of the authoritarian moves, we at least have had the transition power. I am very aware of how people feel about recent events in terms of it not being as peaceful as it ought to have been. But in Russia, they've had the same leader for whatever, 16 years or something. That, to me, is an indicator of an underlying authoritarian rule that is a step farther down the road than where we are now.
Is that your situation, or are you like, if we could literally one for one swap, we'd be better off, America be tougher. We wouldn't be raising weak men. Do you think that would be better than what we have now? I don't think that what we have now is what we believe we have now.
So I recognize that America's just a Hollywood production. I mean, I don't think, or at least I would hope that most people recognize that Joe Biden has not been running the nation for four years. Right. I think we kind of all acknowledge that he's not been running the nation for four years.
The question is, who has been? And this gets into the shadow government. You know, the media completely panicked when she was tailspin when cover cross went over there. They're going to be body Putin.
Why? Right. Why would you be an complete girlfriend? Is what journalists are supposed to do.
Since the beginning of time, journalists are supposed to go and speak to other groups of countries to get information, and they forgot about this. And one of the most compelling parts of that conversation was when Tucker asked him a meaningful question. I think it might have been about President Clinton. And he said, like, you know, when President Clinton spoke about this, maybe it was about him joining NATO, because he said, I've tried joining NATO several times, and I tried to work with the west, which is true, by the way.
That's a fact he has. But they not want to do that for whatever reason. And he almost looked at a child. He's just like, I don't deal with your presence.
I deal with the CIA. It's like, nobody cares about your president. I know. It's like a fun thing.
And democracy wins. We all get to applaud. And, yeah, the first white president. At the end of the day, like, my belief is that this is an oligarchy and the CIA is running things.
And so, yeah, if they're doing things, not even having to come to the American people for permission, I thought Congress had to prove us going to war. How are we sending all of these packages? Billions of dollars overseas. The state tells us, Pentagon tells us, oh, couldn't figure out the account.
We lost all that money. We can't tell you where it went. Meanwhile, they're sending 550,000 more IRS agents to make sure, you pay that extra 100 bucks. So to me, it's just, it's all an illusion.
And I thought that was. That was honest like, that. That was actually what I appreciate. It was just, why.
I mean, like, what kind of non. Obviously do I deal with cna, you know, like. And so I, in that way, kind of think it's a little bit of the Truman show here in America. And people are invested in believing that there's going to be change.
But when you really take a look into it, nothing ever really does change. I have a big belief that it doesn't matter what you look at. It matters what you see. And my look, I'm very open to that.
In the final analysis, I'm the one that's delusional. And I look at something and I'm not seeing what's really there. And obviously you do not know me, but my whole thing is beliefs have utility and they either help you do the things you're trying to do, and I'll assume that somebody has an honorable goal. And so my thing is, hey, you should only do and believe that which moves you towards that honorable goal.
Now, I look at Russia versus America and I go, okay, we. If as a business, I was always looking at KPIs, all right, so we have a way better economy and compared to Russia. So I look at Russia and I say, all right, one guy in charge. Make him happy.
You can do what you want. Don't make him happy. You can't. America is, hey, I get it.
There's a lot of bs, There's a lot of narrative, there's a lot of convincing people that we are something that we're really not. But at the same time, the structure that we have created has attracted and produced some of the most extraordinary innovators the world has ever seen. And so I look at that and I'm the guy for whom the system works. I grew up middle class, maybe even lower middle class, and I have succeeded tremendously.
And so I look at the system and I'm like, hey, I don't want this system to fall apart. I look at Russian, I say that that is a fundamentally different belief system that is the collective over the individual that. Have you been to Russia? I have not.
Interesting. Yeah, So I, I couldn't tell you because I had not been to Russia. But I always think it's interesting when people speak passionately about a place they've never seen. Maybe you know Russians.
I mean, I. I can only say I know Russians, and it's just interesting it's interesting to hear. And that's one thing I always do, too, is I. I try not to speak about places that I don't feel that I have a leg in, because I've been so blown away by what I thought was true.
And then what kind of. What situation when I arrived somewhere, you go to American cities and they're in ruin. There's homeless people on the street, there's homeless encampments. You know, you and I both got ahead.
Not coming from much, but the circumstance, when you look at the filth that surrounds these cities, it's so shocking to step outside of that and go somewhere. And you're kind of constantly being told, america's a great place in the world, America's greatest place in the world. And you just wonder why it is. And I think he actually targeted this.
How he was shocked by how clean everything was and, like, how. I don't know. I think he did this thing where got me in front of him. He got me from the meeting up at the grocery store and spoke about how cheap the prices were versus what he had expected in his American mindset before going out there.
So it's only an asking the gentleman there, either, but I'm wondering if you're relying upon, not the church of science, the church of media to inform what you believe to be about Russia. Do you think they all hate him and he's an evil dictator, or do you think the Russians love him? I don't have any knowledge of that. I am.
I'm surprised that you said you thought I was speaking passionately about Russia. I'm speaking passionately about America. So look, no, I'm passionate in, like, not positive passion, just like, you know, you have a very formed opinion of Russia, right? You're kind of like Russia compared to the America.
Yeah, but I'm talking about KPI, so I'm looking at economics. So you look at the economic output of the two countries. We are way ahead of Russia. And then the next question is, okay, why?
Maybe the punchline is Western interference. Okay, that's possible. I'm very open to whatever the punchline ends up being, but in trying to. I'm trying to leverage you as somebody who looks at the narratives that we're being told, identifies that many of them are not true, and then offers a way forward.
And so I'm trying to figure out how you judge. Like, the Putin thing was the one where I was like, whoa, I didn't see that one coming. I couldn't map it to what I thought of as your worldview. And so I'm just trying to understand from your perspective what that represents so far.
What I've taken away. And if this is missing or inaccurate, let me know. But what I've taken away so far is a. Some very substantive portion of why that feels at least intuitively right to you is that America is generating weak men.
And I've heard you talk a lot about the roles between the sexes. The way that we're raising men and women has a high level of dysfunction. But I didn't know if there was more to it. If it's like, just.
That's you grappling with feeling like there's a cultural problem that we have here in the west that they have solved better than us, or if, like, you've really done a deep dive and you're like, yo, we'd be better off with that style of government. Well, no, I have not. And what I would say is the social aspects really matter to me. So I was covering on my show this story where they were presenting it like, Russia was this terrible place because they were hunting down a woman who, in protest, like, took her top off in front of this sacred cathedral.
And look at this unfree country. Like, you know, they're putting her on a list, and cops are searching for her. Question like, do you think you could drive a place? I said, like, you couldn't take.
We want to see the other extreme. People can defecate on a cathedral. People can wear naked all the time. We have slut walks and we go, oh, this is freedom.
This is not freedom. This is not freedom at all. We have no respect for anything in this country. And so it's not that Russia is better than America.
It's that Russia in America, if you think about it, are just opposite sides. It's like. It's like, you know, it's like a horseshoe theory. It's really like, this is the other extreme.
And it's awful. It's absolutely awful. We should. San Francisco should not have hoop police.
You know what I mean? And you're like, well, at least you can take your top off at a cathedral on the. I don't want to do that. Like, I have enough respect for me and my community, my neighbors.
But I could totally find there was a law that if you took your top off at a cathedral, get arrested and actually okay with that. Like, if we have to regulate, like, having common decency and respect because we somehow have had our brains rinsed into believing that this is what freedom is. No, this is not freedom. And so of course one of the things also is that it's a tremendous, it's a very Christian society.
And obviously that's a bias I could lay down. You know, it's kind of orthodox Christian society. And yeah, it matters to me that there are strong men. I think it's important to have strong men.
And so one of the things, yeah, it's not even, it's more of a commentary that the opposite thing is not good. Right. You're like, you can't swing the pendulum to the exact opposite side. So this must be good.
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Well, I would say that if you don't have bodily autonomy, you definitely can't purport to be a free society. So that for me was like, wow, like force vaccine people to go to work is. That's enslavement. That's crazy.
You know, you cannot stay living in a free society. When the government attempted to implement force like, you can't work. You're gonna get fired if you don't get this vaccine that we created. That's not a free society.
The tax burden and the way that's increased, not even being able to know where your taxes are. This is just not. This is not the vision that our founding fathers had. We are very far removed from that and we're inching closer and closer to socialism.
You know, the money that is being spent on welfare isn't actually increasing people's welfare. Right? You got trillions of dollars spent on the welfare system since it was implemented. And the people that receive the recipients are poorer today than they were when it began.
So this seems like. It seems like they're encouraging a sort of neo slavery. It's an illusion of freedom, but in fact, it's like neo slavery where they kind of want everyone to be a welfare recipient. They want everyone to be relying on the government for something and A big piece of that is also the pharmaceutical industry, which is creating addicts, the opioid crisis.
No one ever gets into trouble. And you see more and more kids that are being put on very serious drugs at a young age. And I don't think the government has our best interest at heart. Now you add that in addition to that, look at the education system we're creating.
The Department of Education, they said in. What was it? Which president was that? The Jimmy Carter in 1970.
And it's because every child deserves to have an access to education. What are the results? In fact, kids are getting dumber and dumber and dumber. It's an abject failure or it's been a success because the goal is to create the illusion of education while all you're actually doing is creating a bunch of brats who are so convinced that they're smart, but they can't do a basic math problem.
They don't understand that they cannot even write an English paper. They can't even speak English. And then you weigh that against. And this is something that Matt Walsh bought into before I go read a letter written by a Civil War soldier who had no formal education.
It sounds like poetry. We're systematically being dumbed down. I believe that we're systematically being poisoned. I believe that we're systematically being made sicker be the things that are allowed in our food.
They're not allowed in the food in Europe. I go say even London for months of time because my husband's from the uk. I feel better, like they weren't allowed to poison us here. Because of course, like I said, the FBI is cooling with these people.
Monsanto. Everything that's happening in America right now does not feel like freedom. It feels like a very slow darkening, a very slow diminishing of the human mind and the human body. Would you want to see more freedom and a return to that or to capture it for the first time?
Or would you value decency above freedom? Well, I don't think it violates my freedom in any way to say, like, hey, you can't advocate on the streets. Like, and I think that's, you know, I would be totally fine with that actually. What I would like to see, I think the only way to attain your freedom is on a household to household basis and making those decisions to step outside of the quote unquote matrix or the system that's been created for you.
That's why I encourage homeschooling. And the homeschool students are excelling right now. You know, there's A reason for that because they're not being put in a classroom that's just trying to marry them to various social causes. I mean, trying to pass like CRT and like race training about making sure kids can be mathematically competitive.
Do you really think like China's not going to stop on America in a generation? Their kids are like this on a calculator when they're three years old. So I think that the best way to achieve freedom is to achieve freedom within your own household. You know, and that's why Karasha parents said you can always control what happens in your own household.
You can always be the person that stands up and says, like, this is my bottom line. My kids are not doing this and we're not doing this. And also making yourself more self sufficient. Because I wanted to achieve freedoms, I learned how to grow food.
People don't even realize that that has even created welfare recipients. Like if something happens in New York City, people think that food grows in a grocery store. And it was shocking to me to realize that it's wisdom that our grandparents all had. They knew how to farm the land.
They all knew. Even today, girls, women don't even know how to cook. Forget, like to grow the food. They're like, oh, I don't cook.
I'm achieving like a career. And I'm like, so we're all just a bunch of welfare recipients. You don't even know what agricultural zone you're in. You don't even know it grows in your soil outside.
So these are things I encourage with my work, like get off of welfare. Like we're all on welfare in some regard, right? Learn how to grow food so that something happens. You know what to do.
Actually make sure that you're gathering books with true knowledge that you can pass down to your children. Like your parents could go out and grab a plant. My granddad used to do this and I had to cut or a burn. He knew, he knew the plants that were around that could fix something.
And I think that truly is the only way that you can achieve freedom. Rather than trying to solve the world's problems, try to solve the problems in your own household. And when you say something like learn how to make your own food or grow your own food hunt, what are the odds that you think something so catastrophic happens that becomes necessary? Odds are always high, honey.
But that's the problem is we don't have a memory of hard times. Our grandparents did, you know, a couple generations ago. These are things that your grandparents would never allow to happen because they Lived through hard times. You had grandparents that never even put cash in a bank because they lived through a time where there was a collapse.
And you had the grandparents who always kept canned foods and stashed up on food because they know that that can happen. And so, yeah, I would say I have an apocalyptic mind. It was definitely a reason that I married my husband because I liked that my husband could hun about that traditional masculinity, right? Like, can you go outside and fish and hunt?
If the answer is no, what are you doing if there's no food? Like, are you, like, what's your plan here? I get it. You have, like, a nice Rico Suave suit and you work on Wall Street.
But, like, you're pathetic. I always say, I value my friends. I'm like, would they be in our apocalyptic tribe? What could they bring to the table?
Sorry, that nice Wall street studio is getting cut. We actually don't need to hear in the forest, you know, do you have science mind? And the answer for most people is no. They know nothing about anything because they just rely on the experts.
They don't know basic science. So it's. It has been a very empowering process for me to realize how little I knew. Despite the fact that I achieved two college degrees, I know that I knew nothing.
And I made an effort to learn things that actually matter, like how to survive on your own. Women don't know how to sew. Stitch nothing. The I've got it all figured out.
You got me some Amish neighbors. I assume the things that you say, you say because you believe that they are accurate and oftentimes even just common sense. So why do you think it is that people find you, or so many people find you controversial? I think I am controversial because I think it's controversial to think now, like, to have an opinion, to ask questions is really controversial.
I was actually just thinking about this on my podcast. Even if you look at old media pieces from, let's call it, 20 years ago, you were allowed to think. People were allowed to present theories, like, go watch the old Oprah shows. It's incredible.
People that she would have on today, she'd be called Alex Jones. Like, she could never host those same show. Today we've grown increasingly authoritarian as society, and there's sort of been this implicit nod that, you know, you should only let the experts do the thinking and you should just do the remembering. And I've never been wired that way.
Like, I've always been. I wouldn't even say contrarian, but I don't like arbitrary authority, which is to say you need to actually give me an explanation. And I would like to process your explanation and see if I accept that explanation before I just mandate that into my life. Now, you've warned people against taking a black pill and not believing anything.
So what. What process do you use to figure out what is true? Well, it depends what the subject is sometimes. I am not necessarily saying this person is completely wrong.
I always just say to people, even when you hear something from me, you should go conduct your own research. It's very rare, actually, I've ever said to someone that definitely believe me. I think probably the most controversial thing I do is I did a series called the Shop in the Dark, which is about vaccines. And that was just a big no go before COVID I was doing this before COVID hit.
And people really didn't sort of trust the doctors because they're doctors. I give them the information. I give them the links. I show them where I'm learning.
I always invite them to learn with me, you know, so, you know, for that particular series, just to jump into that, it was actually quite stunning how much money it cost me to be able to access the studies and the medical information. Like there's an entire cartel where if you want to access a study that's been published, you got to pay like 20 bucks to even access it, which is an absolute nonsense. You're going to mandate everybody take this shot. The information should be free.
And so I did that because that was something that I was extremely passionate about and I paid for all those studies. And I, you know, lined it up and said, here are the studies that were actually done. Here are the actual numbers. You can do this math yourself.
You can at least assess the risk and not just make decision for your child based on, well, if you're talking die, you're talking polio if you don't do this. That's. That's just manipulating people by tactics of fear and not logic. So one of the things you and I share, a deep and abiding fear of authoritarian rule.
One of the things that I worry about is the reason manipulation works is humans are manipulatable. They're always looking for shortcuts. There's too much information coming at them, and so they have to have a rubric for parsing things. And right now we're living in the age of influence influencers, where it's like, okay, I'm pick Candace, or I'm going to pick, I mean, fill in the blank.
And they're going to be the person that I trust to do the thinking for me. How in a world where there are so many narratives to think through, what are the base assumptions that you would have somebody use if they had to formulate their own opinions, knowing that they're not going to have time to do the research that you do? Yeah. So going back to Shot in the Dark series, because that's kind of probably what I said, the most controversial, one of the first things that I say to them is just your gut instinct actually matters.
It matters. You have a gut instinct for a reason. I call that a God instinct. Right.
There's something that tells you when there's somebody across the street that looks like they're out in your good and kind of across the street and you kind of. There's just something that comes online and as a parent actually doing this, and it's incredible for the mothers and fathers with all the series that I kept saying, like, I wasn't comfortable with the amount of shots that my children were getting. But I had a doctor kind of doing this. I said, ignore that.
You know, if you want to miss this next appointment for your childhood shop because you're not sure, take a second and try to figure out why you're feeling that. So I very much believe in us all having a basic instinct when it comes to danger. And I always say to them, sort of the second thing is when you raise the fact that you're not sure, how are you being spoken to? And you find within the vaccine industry, it is.
It's nasty. I mean, they speak to parents like they're stupid. They. It's completely authoritarian.
It's not. Oh, yeah, no, I totally understand what you're saying here, let me give you the information so you can read it. I want you to. Here's an easy access page where you can see the studies that were done.
I completely understand your first time parents. And many times it's anger. And it's actually the majority of the times doctors will say to a parent, well, you know, he's not getting the vaccine, your child can't go here. And that then leads to the next gutting thing, which is, wait a second, you take a cry of oath.
Aren't you like, wanting to see why you tell me that if I don't do this according to your schedule, you're telling me every child is supposed to be the exact same, like one size fits all, and if I don't do according to your schedule, you won't even let my child go here. Parents that don't want to do the vaccine I'm talking about, parents are like I'd like to do on a slower schedule because, you know, I don't feel comfortable about this many toxins at once. So I would say those things for me, I always say that really matters, right? Because if information is real and what they're telling you is honest, you're not treated like you're an imbecile.
You're not treated like you're a slave who's speaking to a master. And that process of sharing information is collaborative. And so that for me is kind of what I would say. I think that's what I always highlight, underscore them, is that when something is real and actually exists, doesn't feel threatened by you asking a question.
Basic question. Then I see a study. How many kids die of this? How many?
You know, when did we start giving the shot? Why did we start? What is the history of the shot? And the truth is that a lot of times the pediatricians react that way because they don't know the answer either.
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You have the gut instinct, you feel like something is wrong. You present the data, you're getting feedback from them. That doesn't feel right. Is it go seek a second opinion?
Is it go do research? Do you have a set of follow along questions that you encourage people to ask so that they can solve a novel problem that they've never encountered before? Yes. So to go back into how I got into the vaccine thing, I was actually injured from vaccine and I thank God for that.
I was injured from the Gardasil vaccine. When I was about 19 or 20 years old, I had a seizure in the office with a doctor. Doctor freaked out. Yeah, it was a mini seizure.
So it was nothing. Thankfully it was nothing that had long lasting effects. Passed out in the office. And I share that.
On my first episode, I share them. I don't even know why I'm saying this to you because I always like to lay out my biases, which the media never does. They never say anything from the pharma or doctor never says, hey, actually we get kickbacks for every child that completes the vaccine on time. I get a $40,000 check that's also real.
Nobody talks about their incentives. So I always, I always want to lay out mine right away. I was vaccinating, injured. Here's how I stop on this journey.
I trusted the doctor blindly. They said it was going to stop me from getting ovarian cancer from HPV I knew nothing about. I had never heard of hpv. That was very new std.
The time was one of the ones we learned about in high school. And I got this shot, had this reaction, got up and realized I knew nothing and I just trust the doctor. And when I did my research and I learned first and foremost that HPV clears up 97% of the time all by itself. And then I researched the rates of, I don't know if it's ovarian or cervical cancer.
I think it's ovarian cancer. They said it at least two. And I researched the rates of ovarian cancer, extremely low. Like it's actually like a rare form of cancer that has a very high, has a higher survival rate.
And then I researched to see since they started mandating HIV vaccine, you know, have we dealt with this particular type of cancer? No, actually that kind of cancer has increased. And so I just did the math on all of it and I wasn't using any shady website. I was using, you know, cancer.org, whatever the main websites are.
And I just presented them with those statistics, realized I made a decision where if the doctor had given you all this information as Opposed to this will stop you from getting cancer. Which wasn't even honest portrayal of the fact he probably was getting some sort of kickback. That was a new vaccine. I would have made a physician.
I just didn't have the information. So when I present that, I tell them my backstory. I show them all of these websites. One of the things I always swear on that particular series and I promise to the followers is I'm not gonna use a shitty website.
I'm not gonna find some right fee and not gonna find the back shell. I'm gonna show you the statistics that are being presented on the CDC website, and I'm gonna show you how to realize when they're manipulating these statistics, like when they're applying it globally versus in America. That stuff matters, right? Obviously.
Because if you live in a place that doesn't have basic sanitation, well, it's not a big shock that you're going to have certain diseases, like sanitation wipes out certain diseases. Basically, being able to flush a toilet and wash your hands can change circumstances. And I'll show them the index, like the OECD index, that these countries actually live like us. And so comparative analysis.
And I always say that I'm not telling you what to do. I just don't want you to be like me and make a decision without having information. Once you have information, you feel like you actually have a conversation with your doctor, right? So then you actually go to the expert and say, you know, actually, the cervical cancer rates have gone up since the shock was 97%.
HPD clears up on its own. And then you're having a conversation. You don't feel like you're being, you know, bullied into the situation and. Or feel like you're being left out of the conversation.
So I'm not in. I'm not in the business of trying to compete with the medical industry. I'm just trying to provide parents, like an entryway so they can ask basic questions and. Or know basic facts before they introduce something to their body, which I think is a right, you know, so when I look at how complicated the world is, the thing underlying the questions that I'm asking now are I.
People need. When I was growing up, for instance, you just believe that the experts knew what they were talking about, that they had your best interest at heart, that they had done the research Covid happens, and their Covid plus social media, plus the Twitter files, all that begins to break this sense of, I can trust what people are telling me, that they do have a best interest at heart. And it starts fragmenting into things like, the government is lying to you because they want to control you. They are censoring you through social media, but not being honest about it.
There's all of these base assumptions about the way that the world is that begin to fall apart. And do you think that the world has always been like that and nobody ever had our best interest at heart, or has something actually changed recently and that's why it's. It's just we're now seeing it because it's only happening now. Well, again, that would.
That answer would depend on what. What topic we're talking about. If you're talking about the medical industry, on the basis of the research that I have done, I would say it has always been. I'm talking about vaccines.
Has always been an industry of lies that relies on fear. I believe that from the bottom of my heart. And the fact that I say, okay, I'm just a parent. For a doctor that writes a piece and says, this is dangerous misinformation, I offer them the opportunity to come on my show and debate everything I'm saying.
I'm not here to say I don't believe in not having conversations. The exact opposite. In fact. I think a big reason why my audience trusts me so much is because I have the humility to admit that I'm wrong.
I've many times pivoted on positions and said, okay, I recorded on this Y. And then actually, this person showed this, and this was. This was actually wrong. So I want to update that when it comes to medical industry.
And obviously you saw this during COVID I was doing the series before COVID when Joe Rogan said, I'll have you on the podcast. You're saying I'm spreading code misinformation. And you're a doctor. Why don't you speak to this guy who you're saying has gone fringe, Dr.
Robert Malone. And their answer is no, this is the science. The science is settled. Well, that should let you know that it's not science, right?
Because, like, if you're telling me that we can't challenge it and we can't. You can't explain it and sit next to somebody and say, hey, let me tell you why that's inaccurate, or I see that that's. You pulled up, maybe you're reading it wrong. They don't want to do that.
And there's a reason for that, because in my. In my viewpoint, particularly on the vaccine industry, it has been about profits from the very beginning. And there are so many lies and Misrepresentations and. And cover up.
You know, some of it is the government made a mistake. I mean, as an example, one of the biggest things people believe is that we eradicate polio because of vaccines. That's objectively false. When we had the huge polio outbreak.
I don't have my notes in front of me. I want to say this was in the 1930s or 40s. 1940s, I believe the second huge polio outbreak. Actually what it was was that diagnostically they were counting anything, even though it was temporary paralysis as polio.
What was causing so many kids to have brain paralysis is that they were spraying them with DDT poisoning. If you go and you look at what they didn't know, obviously at the time that DDT were spraying everything from the apples to the animals, they were also becoming paralyzed to the children were spraying them with ddt. And then what they did was they stopped spraying kids with ddt. And then they diagnostically changed definition of polio, got way more specific, as they did with COVID Right.
And the numbers completely plummeted. It ra re re categorized it into many different things, one of it being Guian Barr syndrome. And they don't tell you this stuff. And I just show people the videos.
Hey, here's videos. Here's what DD poison does. Here are the actual daily melody that hope. He's showing how they dis for spraying children in pools.
And it's. It's just dishonesty, you know, when you control definition. And I'll show you an actual book of a person who exposed that in doctors. And I'll give them all the books.
I always provide links. They can learn about this themselves. If you were allocated polio and vaccines really did it, and you're a doctor and Candace is spreading dangerous misinformation. One of the first thing you'd want to do would be to come on the show and I give you an open invitation.
You know, I don't want to harm people. And it's also the instinct that tells me as well. And that was something that I said to parents. As a mother, you would do anything for your kids.
You have. Have. I mean, hundreds of thousands of mothers that are taken to the streets from different backgrounds, right? You've got different races, different backgrounds, different socioeconomic classes, all saying the same thing.
My kid was fine until this. What incentive does a mother have when a protester. You're treating a pariah, somebody, they're just doing this for tension. Photos of their children who they say were injured children who they say who they said died.
And then, you know, people personally who went through this whose children were advancing and then got a shot, and they were never the same. And so it's the, the tremendous gaslighting on top of it. Now that I am a parent, it's insane to say to a parent, well, your child was always like that. And then I know they were laughing and giggling, making eye contact, and suddenly they're not.
But that was just like something genetically that went off. And that is why it's even more important to me that parents get educated about the decisions that they're making. Because Big Pharma will hold your hand to get you to take the thing. But if something happens to your child, they'll just stop answering your phone calls.
They'll totally gaslight you and tell you that they had nothing to do with it. The nine shots that you brought them in for has nothing to do with it. So that's where I come from. And again, if I was shutting down speech and I was saying don't speak to your doctors, and I was saying don't ever have debate about it, then I would recommend my audience stop listening to me.
So when I hear stuff like that, the thing that makes me nervous is you're taking something I think you prize gut instinct in a way that I, for instance, don't. I'm just one guy. So whatever. But you have said I left the mega church of science behind.
What do you replace that with, though? Because the thing that scares me is going like, I get it. I think people should be able to ask questions. And what freaked me out during COVID was when they were shutting people down, they were asking questions.
And my thing is, hey, assume that the vast majority of people asking questions are wrong and dumb, but you still need to let these ideas be challenged. Otherwise we're never actually going to be able to find out what's true. But what I worry about is that we'll start playing fast and loose with this feels right. And because the science has lied, has tried to silence people, that now we're just what I'll call shooting from the hip with my gut tells me something's wrong.
My gut tells me the vaccines don't work. But what do you replace? Like, if you don't have faith in science, how do we validate our instincts? Yeah.
So I want to be clear when I say that I've left the megachurch of science. What I mean by that is for many people, it has become a blind faith and it will disregard everything that they're seeing. And just go, okay, well Dr. Fauci said it, so it must be true.
That's a faith. I mean to me that's a part of the humanist agenda. And I'm, I'm just not wired that way regarding saying go with your gut instinct. I don't say just so with your gut instinct.
I say don't ignore your gut instinct. Right? And so if you're not ignoring your gut instinct and something says to you, I don't feel comfortable with my child who has just been out of the womb for three seconds. I'm being told by a doctor that he needs the Hep B vaccine, which Hep B is in an STD that just doesn't.
That right there. You should instantly go, if my child's gonna get Hep B in this hospital, I'm in the wrong hospital. Right. And that is the instinct you hear so many moms see that they're just telling you now your child is born wrong.
Like they invited me to K three seconds out. They need hepi, they need this, they need that discrimination, whatever it is, if your gut is telling you it doesn't feel right, listen to that gut and then find the information, like learn the information and know that what they're selling you in the hospital, like you shouldn't be making these sorts of decisions under fire and under duress. The second is you're under duress when you have someone that is saying to you, as the pediatrician in the hospital said to me, that my daughter would d if I didn't get the shot. The shot.
And I, I obviously should know who I was. She's messing with a complete wrong parent. I gave her a. How dare you?
How dare you. I mean, I'm lucky, but I'm married. I'm lucky that I'm not a woman that is vulnerable enough to respond to that. And then I get very angry and I walked out of the hospital with my baby and my beautiful non backs two year old daughter, my non pax three year old son, perfectly healthy.
I mean the girl, I think she didn't even get much as sniffles the first year of life. I think just despite the pediatrician. But I mean, how dare you, how dare you use that language to a mother. She's die if you don't do this.
That's, that's not science. That's a threat. And I understand, I explained the parents of financial metrics as well, because there are financial incentives. They do get bonuses on the basis of whether or not they complete your child, getting vaccines on time from the insurance companies.
That's problematic. And so, so like I said, I'm not a person that says just go with your gut at all times. But I do say do not ignore your gut. And I do believe because I come from the church of God, that your gut instinct is divine, especially from others.
There is, there is a spiritual bond and it's a spiritual women's intuition. People talk about women's intuition all the time. And that comes into hyper focus when you become a mom. Like when they say mom's have eyes in the back of their head.
It's like a thing like your child is always next to the vocal cord. And I will see my husband, I just get a vibe. I only that it's the vibe I don't like around them. Bad vibe.
Right. So you could say less completely logical the person. It's a vibe. And then typically now when I have a vibe for five years, he's amazed, he's like at how right.
Those inclinations, those first inclinations tend to be when it comes to my children. And so like I said, just don't discount it. You don't have to say fully rely on this. And then don't pursue any information because that would be ridiculous.
You to too, but don't throw away your gun. I think that the big pharma industry is trying to persuade people to ignore every single one of their gut instincts and to just submit themselves to the church of science or ses. Lewis turned it scientism. I love the idea of using your gut instinct as an alarm.
What I tell people is your gut is the subconscious way of your body speaking to you. So the body's playing God. Don't tell me data points. Your literal microbiome is speaking to you.
Your past experiences speaking to you. Whatever evolutionary systems that we have, all of those things are trying to say something in a rapid language, which is the language of emotion. So you feel something. I think that's very wise.
What I'm trying to track down. And you are a fascinating individual because you talk about gut instinct and being a parent and how that changes you. But you're also extremely rhetorically gifted and you can put things into logical arguments and you can attack things point by point. So what I'm trying to get people when they look at you, because I look at you and I see somebody, that your popularity signals to me that you are saying something that people believes needs to be said and has not been said.
And so now I'm trying to figure out what is that thing that you're saying that people aren't reading, I come to, I think you have a worldview, something I call frame of reference that gives you a path that you can walk down when something seems wrong. To then come back from emotion and give people a rhetorical argument that they can use as a shortcut to live their life. Okay, so put a pin in that. That's, that's how I see you.
But now I want to know when you say something like, hey, you need to trust your gut, I'm on board. But what you'll then, what I hear you saying is then go do research. Gut tells you alarm. It's a move away alarm.
But now you need to do something. So you're gonna need to move towards something. What is that thing? Go do research.
But now when you're doing the research, you have to trust some data. So how do, how do people know what data to trust? Well, so again, it depends on the subject. And so to make the data that I just rather, because you said that a couple times, I wanna make sure I zoom in on that.
So it, what if you were to step back and say, regardless of subject, here is how I approach into this at a foundational level. So for me, I'll say I look at your frame of references, beliefs and values. Biology is running there that'll confuse this moment. So what you believe to be true about the world is going to inform every piece of data that you read.