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EPISODE · Apr 4, 2026 · 33 MIN

Why Friends Gossip During Your Divorce And How to Heal

from Pulling Threads, Weaving Authenticity · host Leslie Mathews

When a friend gossips about your divorce or breakup, it's not just betrayal — it's trauma. Here's what the research says, and how to heal. 🔗 Work with Leslie: www.theloomlife.com There is a specific kind of pain that happens when you're going through the hardest thing in your life — a breakup, a divorce, infidelity — and the person you trusted to hold your story turns it into someone else's entertainment. This episode is personal. It's also one of the most important conversations we've had on Pulling Threads. Today Leslie — therapist, former attorney, coach, and founder of The Loom Life — unpacks why women gossip about each other during a crisis, what drives it neurologically and evolutionarily, and what it costs the person whose story is being shared. In this episode: The real definition of gossip — and the crucial line between healthy processing and harmful betrayal Why female connection is physiologically regulating (the UCLA tend-and-befriend study explained) The dopamine reward behind gossip and why it happens even without malicious intent Robin Dunbar's research on social grooming and what old wiring is doing to modern friendships What gossip does to your nervous system, your ability to trust, and your healing timeline Why betrayal by a friend during divorce can take longer to heal than the relationship itself What to do if you've been betrayed — and what to do if you've been the one who couldn't hold someone's story How Leslie used EMDR to process layered grief from both her divorce and a friend's betrayal Research cited: Dr. Brené Brown (trust and "hot gossip"), Dr. Bessel van der Kolk (betrayal trauma), Dr. Shelley Taylor (tend-and-befriend), Robin Dunbar (social grooming), Dr. Jennifer Freed (betrayal trauma), plus studies from the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology and the Journal of Psychological Science. CHAPTERS: 00:00 The episode that had to wait 01:05 Welcome to Pulling Threads 02:00 Why this episode is personal to Leslie 03:30 Defining gossip — what it is and isn't 06:00 The test: who does the sharing serve? 07:00 Why women need each other (the neuroscience) 09:00 Why we gossip: evolutionary roots 10:30 The dopamine hit from sharing someone else's story 12:00 Emotional offloading: when people can't hold your pain 13:30 Relational aggression and competition in female friendships 14:30 What gossip does to the person on the receiving end 16:30 Betrayal trauma and your nervous system 18:00 Shame, isolation, and delayed healing 19:30 Why friend betrayal often outlasts the relationship itself 21:00 If you've been betrayed: what to know and what you're allowed to do 22:30 Learning discernment — what safe friendship actually looks like 24:00 Using EMDR to process layered loss 25:00 If you've been the one who gossiped 26:30 How to repair, reflect, and do better 29:00 Leslie's personal experience with gossip during her divorce 31:00 Closing: let's hold each other's stories as sacred Mindful Untangling (divorce support community): https://theloomlife.com/community THROUGH (8-week divorce coaching program): https://theloomlife.com/throughdivorceprogram www.loomlifetherapy.com 📩 [email protected] | theloomlife.com Keywords: women gossip psychology, gossip and betrayal trauma, friend betrayal during divorce, healing after divorce, female friendship and trust, betrayal trauma recovery, gossip during crisis, emotional healing after betrayal, divorce recovery support, tend and befriend stress response

When a friend gossips about your divorce or breakup, it's not just betrayal — it's trauma. Here's what the research says, and how to heal.🔗 Work with Leslie: www.theloomlife.comThere is a specific kind of pain that happens when you're going through the hardest thing in your life — a breakup, a divorce, infidelity — and the person you trusted to hold your story turns it into someone else's entertainment. This episode is personal. It's also one of the most important conversations we've had on Pulling Threads.Today Leslie — therapist, former attorney, coach, and founder of The Loom Life — unpacks why women gossip about each other during a crisis, what drives it neurologically and evolutionarily, and what it costs the person whose story is being shared.In this episode:The real definition of gossip — and the crucial line between healthy processing and harmful betrayalWhy female connection is physiologically regulating (the UCLA tend-and-befriend study explained)The dopamine reward behind gossip and why it happens even without malicious intentRobin Dunbar's research on social grooming and what old wiring is doing to modern friendshipsWhat gossip does to your nervous system, your ability to trust, and your healing timelineWhy betrayal by a friend during divorce can take longer to heal than the relationship itselfWhat to do if you've been betrayed — and what to do if you've been the one who couldn't hold someone's storyHow Leslie used EMDR to process layered grief from both her divorce and a friend's betrayalResearch cited: Dr. Brené Brown (trust and "hot gossip"), Dr. Bessel van der Kolk (betrayal trauma), Dr. Shelley Taylor (tend-and-befriend), Robin Dunbar (social grooming), Dr. Jennifer Freed (betrayal trauma), plus studies from the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology and the Journal of Psychological Science.CHAPTERS:00:00 The episode that had to wait01:05 Welcome to Pulling Threads02:00 Why this episode is personal to Leslie03:30 Defining gossip — what it is and isn't06:00 The test: who does the sharing serve?07:00 Why women need each other (the neuroscience)09:00 Why we gossip: evolutionary roots10:30 The dopamine hit from sharing someone else's story12:00 Emotional offloading: when people can't hold your pain13:30 Relational aggression and competition in female friendships14:30 What gossip does to the person on the receiving end16:30 Betrayal trauma and your nervous system18:00 Shame, isolation, and delayed healing19:30 Why friend betrayal often outlasts the relationship itself21:00 If you've been betrayed: what to know and what you're allowed to do22:30 Learning discernment — what safe friendship actually looks like24:00 Using EMDR to process layered loss25:00 If you've been the one who gossiped26:30 How to repair, reflect, and do better29:00 Leslie's personal experience with gossip during her divorce31:00 Closing: let's hold each other's stories as sacredMindful Untangling (divorce support community): https://theloomlife.com/communityTHROUGH (8-week divorce coaching program): https://theloomlife.com/throughdivorceprogramwww.loomlifetherapy.com📩 [email protected] | theloomlife.comKeywords: women gossip psychology, gossip and betrayal trauma, friend betrayal during divorce, healing after divorce, female friendship and trust, betrayal trauma recovery, gossip during crisis, emotional healing after betrayal, divorce recovery support, tend and befriend stress response

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