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EPISODE · Jul 8, 2026 · 27 MIN

Why Is The XP/SP Relationship So Hard to Get Right? - Episode 456

from The Unstuck Church Podcast · host The Unstuck Group

Of all the relationships in your church, there's one relationship that determines whether everything else runs smoothly or grinds to a halt—the relationship between the senior pastor and the executive pastor.  When it's healthy, the whole organization feels it. And when it's not…the whole organization feels that too. And if this relationship isn't healthy, your staff is talking about it too. We invited Jimmy McLoud, lead pastor at First Christian Church in Canton, Ohio, and a consultant on our team, to speak into this topic. Jimmy has served in both the executive pastor role and the senior pastor role, so it's safe to say he's experienced when it comes to the relationship between these two roles. In this new series, Sean and Jimmy are going to dig into how to clarify these two roles and strengthen the partnership between them. And in this episode, they're starting at the foundation: why is this relationship so hard to get right? People-focused roles vs. task-focused roles Understanding each other's wiring  Doing the work only you can do   This Episode is Sponsored by PlainJoe Studios Unlock the power of story in your worship space. The creative, passionate team at PlainJoe, a Storyland Studio, works with churches to create beautiful, engaging spaces that connect with your community. They're a team of architectural, design, and branding experts who transform worship spaces into attractive, engaging hubs for the community. Reach out to their team at PlainJoe.net and dream up the bright future of your church.    Join the Conversation on Social Media We use hashtag #unstuckchurch on X and on Instagram. 

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