Why Lucy Guo doesn’t think we are in an AI bubble

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On today’s episode, co-hosts Yasmin Gagne and Josh Christensen discuss the latest news in business and innovation. Topics include the latest on tariffs, layoffs at companies like Amazon and Target, and NBCUniversal’s poaching of Taylor Sheridan. Next, Yaz and Josh talk to Fast Company senior editor Bryan Lufkin about “ghost jobs” and other hiring trends in the current, uncertain economic climate. Finally, Yaz interviews Lucy Guo. Guo is the founder of the content creator monetization platform Passes, which lets creators make money from fans through things like selling merch and private chats. The company hasn’t been without controversy and has faced lawsuits accusing it of allowing and encouraging the distribution of illegal content, including child sexual abuse material, as well as engaging in unfair business practices. Guo is also the cofounder of Scale AI, which Meta recently bought a 49% stake in. That sale made her, by some metrics, the youngest self-made billionaire. Yaz spoke to Guo about why she left Scale AI in 2018, how she responds to those lawsuits, and why she doesn’t think we’re in an AI bubble. For more of the latest business and innovation news, go to https://www.fastcompany.com/newsTo read more of our reporting on hiring trends, go to https://www.fastcompany.com/work-life

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On today’s episode, co-hosts Yasmin Gagne and Josh Christensen discuss the latest news in business and innovation. Topics include the latest on tariffs, layoffs at companies like Amazon and Target, and NBCUniversal’s poaching of Taylor...

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