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EPISODE · May 4, 2026 · 44 MIN

Why Smart Investors Are Ditching Residential for Commercial Property

from That Backyard Property Podcast · host Michael Killiner

In this episode, Michael sits down with Neal van Niekerk — Director of Alba Finance and former Macquarie and CBA commercial banker — to break down the world of commercial property, development finance, and the emerging trend of white-collar professionals buying blue-collar businesses.If you've ever wondered whether commercial is the next step after residential, or how development finance actually works, this is the episode for you.General advice only and not personal advice. CRN 485467--------------------------------------Follow the podcastSubscribe to my channel: / @⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ThatBackyardPropertyPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Visit my website:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ / ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://tuskfinance.com.au⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow me on social media:Facebook: /⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@tuskfinancemk⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram: /⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@mortgageswmichael⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn: /⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@michaelkilliner⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TikTok: /⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@backyardpropertypodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Tusk Finance Email: /⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠--------------------------------------Chapters:(00:00) Intro & teaser highlights(00:45) Welcome — introducing Neal van Niekerk, Director of Alba Finance(01:30) What does home mean to you?(02:15) The mental load of being a business owner, husband and dad(05:00) Commercial vs. residential investing right now(05:30) The challenges facing residential developers — rising costs & holding times(06:15) Who is making the move into commercial property?(07:00) The risk/reward trade-off of commercial investing(08:00) Entry price points — you don't need millions to start(08:45) How yield and rental income drive commercial valuations and bank lending(09:30) The 1.5x interest coverage rule banks use(11:00) Key risks in commercial — tenant quality, vacancy & liquidity(12:30) Why commercial data is harder to find than residential(13:00) The three asset classes: industrial, office and retail(14:15) The industrial supply problem — why land is so scarce(15:15) Industrial micro-units & storage — the fastest growing segment(16:30) Development finance — what banks want before they'll lend(17:30) Pre-sales in commercial development — what percentages are expected(19:00) Small-scale residential development — what actually stacks up?(20:30) Construction costs — what does it actually cost to build a townhouse?(21:30) Private lending vs. bank lending for development(23:00) Where does private lending capital come from?(24:45) The risk of private lenders — they don't muck around(25:00) White-collar professionals buying blue-collar businesses — the ETA model(27:00) How banks structure business acquisition finance(28:15) Vendor finance, earnouts and structuring a business purchase(30:30) What types of businesses are being acquired? Manufacturing & service contracts(31:30) If you had $1M tomorrow — where would Neal invest it?(33:45) Why Neal and Mitch started Alba Finance from scratch(35:45) Biggest lessons from year one of running your own business(37:30) 12-month outlook for the Perth property market(39:00) What are you most proud of — personally and professionally?(42:15) The underrated importance of a supportive partner(44:00) Wrap upProduced by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Podwave Studios⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Subscribe for more Perth property insights every Tuesday!#PerthProperty #RealEstateAustralia #PropertyMarket2026 #FirstHomeBuyer #PerthRealEstate #MortgageBroker #InvestingAustralia #HomeBuyingTips #Podcast #TuskFinance

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