EPISODE · Jul 16, 2026 · 52 MIN
why we don't f!@# our patients ft. catherine jensen
from wtf is life · host Dr. Max Kusovitsky
Catherine joins Dr. Max for an hour on the thing every clinician is taught to hold and no one likes to talk about plainly: the erotic pull of the consulting room. We get into transference and its afternoon weather, the difference between feeling love and acting on it, and why the boundary isn't prudishness but the very thing that makes the work possible.We lean on Gabbard and Davies to trace the fight for a developmental, relational therapy — one that takes desire seriously instead of wishing it away — and we make the case for the neutral frame as a sanctuary rather than a cage: the container that lets a patient feel everything precisely because nothing will be enacted and everything will stay as if.It's a solemn conversation about ethics, longing, and the discipline of restraint. It's also funny, because we are both hilarious, and because the only honest way into this material is never to be too serious. wtf is life anyway?
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