Why We Resist Change (Even When It's Positive) w/ Travis Hahler

Travis Hahler has spent 15+ years leading transformation at scale. Simultaneously, he built the scientific framework that explains why transformation fails at the neurological level. His new book, Rethinking Resistance: Embracing Neuroscience to Lead Transformational Change is out now. Mentioned on the ShowYour one-stop for all of Travis Hahler’s links is here: https://linktr.ee/theneurologicalnomadTravis’ book, Rethink Resistance is available on Amazon: https://a.co/d/02iE70p7Connect with Travis on LinkedIn here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/travisdhahlerListen to the People Business episode with Achyuta Adhvaryu: https://peoplebusinesspodcast.com/achyutaadhvaryu/O’Brien and Travis bond over mutual admiration of the book The Rabbit Listened. Available on Amazon here: https://a.co/d/09zgnSuVCheck out Shots of Awe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/ShotsOfAweTimestamps(00:00:00) – Travis Hahler, the Neurological Nomad sits down with O’Brien McMahon on People Business Podcast(00:02:01) — Travis Hahler origin story: why did he write a book on change?(00:04:45) — What physical/physiological things happen in people's brains when asked to change a routine?(00:06:23) — What is the physical work of the brain when encountering change (including calorie consumption)?(00:11:01) — Inclusion: what good inclusion looks like during the change planning process.(00:12:59) — What if everyone can't be included?(00:21:29) — Process of learning: step-by-step, how does learning happen?(00:22:36) — Taking breaks: what really works.(00:27:38) — Timing: when change happens too quickly or too slow(00:33:13) — Avoiding overwhelm: how to pace change properly(00:39:04) — How can ambiguity be avoided?(00:42:23) — How to communicate change effectively(00:44:33) — Clarity, consistency, and safety (00:48:39) — What do grief and loss have to do with change?