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EPISODE · Aug 13, 2026 · 38 MIN

Why your contact centre cost model is broken - Interview with Robert Bradshaw of WiserOwl

from Punk CX: Customer Experience Insights with Adrian Swinscoe · host Adrian Swinscoe | Customer Experience Strategy Expert

Today’s episode of the Punk CX podcast features a chat I had with Robert Bradshaw, the founder and president of WiserOwl, a consulting firm that measures what contact centre work actually costs. We talk about how contact centres measure activity with extraordinary precision but cost it using an average that erases all of that precision, what that means in practice, the impact of AI on all of that, what contact centre leaders should be doing instead, and how using actual cost data solves the two most important contact centre problems in the enterprise. It’s a fascinating discussion. This interview follows on from my recent interview – Why digital accessibility is no longer optional in an AI-first world – Interview with Jeff Coyle of Siteimprove – and is number 599 in the series of interviews with authors and business leaders who are doing great things, providing valuable insights, helping businesses innovate and delivering great service and experience to both their customers and their employees.

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