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Why Your Outrage is Their Best Weapon: Dr. Leah Howard on the Science of Division

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In this episode, Kevin and John sit down with Dr. Lia Howard, a political scientist and Director of the Political Empathy Lab at the University of Pennsylvania. We dive into the concept of affective polarization and how our political identities have become dangerously stacked with our social identities.Dr. Howard shares fascinating insights from her research traveling across Pennsylvania, where she and her students spent a summer simply listening to strangers to understand the roots of our national divide. Plus, we discuss the loneliness epidemic and why something as simple as making eye contact might be the first step in saving our democracy.Chapter Timestamps:00:00 – Malcolm X, 1964 and the WNAR mission00:49 – Kevin’s computer crisis and John’s big move02:48 – The clickbait culture: Why "annihilating" the opposition gets views04:46 – Introducing Dr. Lia Howard08:09 – Affective Polarization: How outrage became a manufactured system10:41 – The danger of stacked identities and seeing others as less than human14:55 – The Loneliness Epidemic: How screens are killing our social connections17:51 – Inside the Political Empathy Lab: Learning to listen in a swing state23:48 – Dealing with scripted talking points and conspiracy theories56:22 – Outro: Coming up next week on WNARJoin the Revolution: New episodes are LIVE every Wednesday at 9pm ET and streaming everywhere the next day.#weneedarevolution #politicalempathy #leahhoward #nonpartisan #news #affectivepolarization #politics

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