William deBuys - Sage of the Southwest

William deBuys is a renowned writer and conservationist farmer who is known as one of the most influential thinkers in the modern-day American West. To call Bill prolific would be a blatant understatement—a few of his many books include "The Walk," "A Great Aridness," "River of Traps," and "The Last Unicorn." For more than 40 years, Bill has owned and tended a small farm in the Sangre de Cristo mountains of northern New Mexico, a property that has heavily influenced his life, work, and appreciation for land. I was fortunate enough to meet Bill at his farm for this interview, which was a thrill and an experience I won't soon forget. Bill was born and raised on the east coast but moved to New Mexico after college to take a job as a research assistant with writer Robert Coles. Bill found himself immersed in the arid landscape of the American Southwest and very quickly fell in love with the people, culture, and terrain. From then on, Bill's life and work centered around the land, whether earning his Ph.D., working for the Nature Conservancy and The Conservation Fund, or pursuing full-time writing. His life serves as an inspiring case study of how to meld on-the-ground conservation work with high-level aspirational writing and journalism. My biggest challenge with this conversation was figuring out how to fit five hours of questions into a single hour! We start by discussing how Bill ended up in New Mexico, and then chat a good bit about his farm. We discuss lessons learned from his work in land conservation, and techniques he uses to find common ground among competing stakeholders. We talk a lot about his writing process and routine, including Bill's excellent advice related to the technical and psychological aspects of writing. We also discuss several of his books, and how writing each book has influenced his perspective and appreciation for his beloved New Mexico home. Bill offers up a useful and completely unique technique for summoning gratitude, a practice I believe we all can benefit from. And as usual, we discuss his favorite books, his favorite location in the West, and the best advice he ever received. It was a dream come true to spend time with Bill at his farm, so I hope you enjoy this conversation as much as I did. Be sure the check the episode notes for links to everything we discussed! http://williamdebuys.com Notes & Resources: https://mountainandprairie.com/william-debuys/ TOPICS DISCUSSED: 4:30 - El Valle, New Mexico, described 5:45 - How Bill ended up in New Mexico 10:30 - Work with The Nature Conservancy and The Conservation Fund 12:30 - Lessons learned from conservation work 14:30 - Early writing experience 15:25 - Looking back at old work 16:30 - Understanding and appreciating "place" 19:45 - How Bill wrote "The Walk" 22:15 - Dealing with feedback on his writing 23:15 - The writer's mindset 24:30 - Bill's writing process 29:00 - Decision to focus mostly on writing 30:15 - Discussion of his book "A Great Aridness" 34:25 - Actionable ideas for dealing with climate change 38:00 - Valles Caldera Trust 42:00 - Techniques for finding common grounds 45:30 - "The Last Unicorn" and other international adventures 46:50 - Influentials writers and thinkers 49:00 - Teaching and its influence on his work 51:00 - Favorite books 53:00 - Practice of writing down all the "aunts and uncles" 55:00 - Most powerful outdoor experience 56:10 - Threats to ANWR and the Rio Grand corridor 59:25 - Favorite location in the West 59:30 - Best advice ever received